From lydia at autistichoya.com Mon Jun 1 10:13:13 2020 From: lydia at autistichoya.com (Lydia X. Z. Brown) Date: Mon Jun 1 10:14:12 2020 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible format for graphs, charts, or tables? Message-ID: Hi all, Hope you are doing OK. Please no worries about responding to this email if you do not have time or spoons. For those who might know, especially blind and low vision colleagues, I'm wondering if anyone knows the best way to format a graph, chart, or table of data or information in a downloadable document so that it is screen-reader accessible and actually usable (e.g. allows skipping to different sections easily). Any information would be extremely helpful. Thanks, Lydia ______________ *Lydia X. Z. Brown * (they/them/theirs) lydia@autistichoya.com +1 (202) 618-0187 www.autistichoya.net ??No? might make them angry. but it will make you free. ? if no one has ever told you, your freedom is more important than their anger? ? Nayyirah Waheed ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.? ? Arundhati Roy ?Life is short and the world is at least half terrible, and for every kind stranger, there is one who would break you, though I keep this from my children. I am trying to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, walking you through a real shithole, chirps on about good bones: This place could be beautiful, right? You could make this place beautiful.? ? Maggie Smith *Resist. Stay Ungovernable. Rebel.* *If you or someone you know is currently in danger or in crisis*, please consider reaching out to someone who might be able to help ? click for a list of text message, online chat, videophone, TTY, and phone hotlines , including those specific to Deaf, LGBTQ+, and trans people. *Generally having a hard time*? 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Here are more details and why I started this challenge today. https://www.karlencommunications.com/adobe/RoleModelChallenge2020.pdf Please share the #RoleModelChallenge and the link for more information! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Mon Jun 1 13:05:49 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:06:53 2020 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible format for graphs, charts, or tables? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello: please check out the tools menchond in my GAAD blog post for great ways to make accessible data http://accessaces.com/2020/05/21/this-is-an-accessibility-emergency/ Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:14 AM Lydia X. Z. Brown wrote: > Hi all, > > Hope you are doing OK. Please no worries about responding to this email if > you do not have time or spoons. > > For those who might know, especially blind and low vision colleagues, I'm > wondering if anyone knows the best way to format a graph, chart, or table > of data or information in a downloadable document so that it is > screen-reader accessible and actually usable (e.g. allows skipping to > different sections easily). Any information would be extremely helpful. > > Thanks, > > Lydia > ______________ > *Lydia X. Z. Brown * > (they/them/theirs) > lydia@autistichoya.com > +1 (202) 618-0187 > www.autistichoya.net > > ??No? > might make them angry. > but > it will make you free. > ? if no one has ever told you, your freedom is more important than their > anger? > ? Nayyirah Waheed > > ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I > can hear her breathing.? > ? Arundhati Roy > > ?Life is short and the world > is at least half terrible, and for every kind > stranger, there is one who would break you, > though I keep this from my children. I am trying > to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, > walking you through a real shithole, chirps on > about good bones: This place could be beautiful, > right? You could make this place beautiful.? > ? Maggie Smith > > *Resist. Stay Ungovernable. Rebel.* > > *If you or someone you know is currently in danger or in crisis*, please > consider reaching out to someone who might be able to help ? click for a > list of text message, online chat, videophone, TTY, and phone hotlines > , including those specific to Deaf, LGBTQ+, and > trans people. *Generally having a hard time*? Try bit.ly/selfcarehelp for > a text-accessible, interactive self-care/executive functioning tool. > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And to show other disabilities, not just mobility requiring a wheelchair. --Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 1:37 PM To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' Cc: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Role Model Challenge for more Images of Those of us with Disabilities in Education and Professional Environments Hi Everyone! Today I am launching a continuance of the "#Role Model Challenge on twitter and LinkedIn!" We need more images in the Creative Commons that represent those of us who are blind, visually disabled, have learning, cognitive or print disabilities or who use alternate input devices or communication boards. Without role models in inclusive education and employment, we will continue to be seen as less than equal. Here are more details and why I started this challenge today. https://www.karlencommunications.com/adobe/RoleModelChallenge2020.pdf Please share the #RoleModelChallenge and the link for more information! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu Wed Jun 3 17:16:48 2020 From: heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu (Heather Mariger) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:17:32 2020 Subject: [Athen] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help Message-ID: Greetings, The time I have dreaded has finally come! I have been trying to sort out/understand all of the different information on how to help faculty make math formulas accessible in their course documents. Between all of the conflicting/outdated information, lack of experience with different math tools and a general mental block when it comes to math, I have not been terribly successful. Today, I was approached by a math instructor who wants to make his materials more accessible. He uses LaTex in PDFs for his tests and handouts. I know that PDFs don't handle equations properly but am stymied on the best option to suggest for him to still be able to use LaTex but in an accessible way. Any advice or suggestions on how to help him would be greatly appreciated. I am so thrilled to be starting to make those voluntary inroads and I want to make sure that I am giving him the best advice/support possible without adding huge piles of work to his plate. I am so grateful to have all of you awesome folks to turn to when I hit the muddy waters... Thanks, H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Pronouns: She/Her* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. * Verna Myers, author and speaker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen.walker at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:09:04 2020 From: glen.walker at gmail.com (glen walker) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:09:39 2020 Subject: [Athen] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you looked at MathML? It's for HTML, not PDF, but you get better accessibility features from HTML. https://www.w3.org/Math/ The actual spec is https://www.w3.org/TR/MathML2/overview.html but that's pretty heavy reading. I've used MathML in HTML and viewed on iOS devices and it's pretty cool. Here's an example - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/MathML/Examples/MathML_Pythagorean_Theorem If you have an iphone or ipad running ios 12 (it seems to be broken in ios 13), then it's nice how you can navigate to the formula as a whole and then drill down into different elements of the formula. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:17 PM Heather Mariger < heather.mariger@chemeketa.edu> wrote: > Greetings, > > The time I have dreaded has finally come! > > I have been trying to sort out/understand all of the different information > on how to help faculty make math formulas accessible in their course > documents. Between all of the conflicting/outdated information, lack of > experience with different math tools and a general mental block when it > comes to math, I have not been terribly successful. > > Today, I was approached by a math instructor who wants to make his > materials more accessible. He uses LaTex in PDFs for his tests and > handouts. I know that PDFs don't handle equations properly but am > stymied on the best option to suggest for him to still be able to use LaTex > but in an accessible way. > > Any advice or suggestions on how to help him would be greatly appreciated. > I am so thrilled to be starting to make those voluntary inroads and I want > to make sure that I am giving him the best advice/support possible without > adding huge piles of work to his plate. > > I am so grateful to have all of you awesome folks to turn to when I hit > the muddy waters... > > Thanks, > H. > > *Heather Mariger* > *Digital Accessibility Advocate* > > *Pronouns: She/Her* > > *Center for Academic Innovation* > *Chemeketa Community College* > *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* > *Salem, OR 97305* > > 503.589.7832 > > ***************** > *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to > dance. * > Verna Myers, author and speaker > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerscher at montana.com Wed Jun 3 18:46:05 2020 From: kerscher at montana.com (kerscher@montana.com) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:46:19 2020 Subject: [Athen] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d63a11$ece453d0$c6acfb70$@montana.com> Hello, For sure MathML is the way to go!!! In the WordToEPUB tool, MathML is supported. Some of the EPUB Reading Apps faithfully present MathML visually, and Assistive Technology, like Jaws and NVDA can also access the MathML. There is also an experimental feature in WordToEPUB That is LaTex to EPUB, which is so cool, you would not believe it. This is the future for those professors in the Math department that are married to LaTex. We at DAISY are working on an EPUB and MathML test file that looks at a range of MathML approaches, and we expect to make a set of recommendations to publishers in the next few months. If you want to get involved, email, kerscher@montana.com Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of glen walker Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Cc: Alternate Media ; The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Community Group Listserv Subject: Re: [Athen] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help Have you looked at MathML? It's for HTML, not PDF, but you get better accessibility features from HTML. https://www.w3.org/Math/ The actual spec is https://www.w3.org/TR/MathML2/overview.html but that's pretty heavy reading. I've used MathML in HTML and viewed on iOS devices and it's pretty cool. Here's an example - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/MathML/Examples/MathML_Pythagorean_Theorem If you have an iphone or ipad running ios 12 (it seems to be broken in ios 13), then it's nice how you can navigate to the formula as a whole and then drill down into different elements of the formula. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:17 PM Heather Mariger > wrote: Greetings, The time I have dreaded has finally come! I have been trying to sort out/understand all of the different information on how to help faculty make math formulas accessible in their course documents. Between all of the conflicting/outdated information, lack of experience with different math tools and a general mental block when it comes to math, I have not been terribly successful. Today, I was approached by a math instructor who wants to make his materials more accessible. He uses LaTex in PDFs for his tests and handouts. I know that PDFs don't handle equations properly but am stymied on the best option to suggest for him to still be able to use LaTex but in an accessible way. Any advice or suggestions on how to help him would be greatly appreciated. I am so thrilled to be starting to make those voluntary inroads and I want to make sure that I am giving him the best advice/support possible without adding huge piles of work to his plate. I am so grateful to have all of you awesome folks to turn to when I hit the muddy waters... Thanks, H. Heather Mariger Digital Accessibility Advocate Pronouns: She/Her Center for Academic Innovation Chemeketa Community College 4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A Salem, OR 97305 503.589.7832 ***************** Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. Verna Myers, author and speaker _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaela.parks at pcc.edu Wed Jun 3 19:17:36 2020 From: kaela.parks at pcc.edu (Kaela Parks) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:18:37 2020 Subject: [Athen] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Heather, I would recommend pandoc or tex4ht . -- Kaela Parks (she/her/hers) *Book a meeting with me * SY CC 260, Ph. 971.722.4868 Portland Community College Director, Disability Services www.pcc.edu/resources/disability On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:20 PM Heather Mariger < heather.mariger@chemeketa.edu> wrote: > Greetings, > > The time I have dreaded has finally come! > > I have been trying to sort out/understand all of the different information > on how to help faculty make math formulas accessible in their course > documents. Between all of the conflicting/outdated information, lack of > experience with different math tools and a general mental block when it > comes to math, I have not been terribly successful. > > Today, I was approached by a math instructor who wants to make his > materials more accessible. He uses LaTex in PDFs for his tests and > handouts. I know that PDFs don't handle equations properly but am > stymied on the best option to suggest for him to still be able to use LaTex > but in an accessible way. > > Any advice or suggestions on how to help him would be greatly appreciated. > I am so thrilled to be starting to make those voluntary inroads and I want > to make sure that I am giving him the best advice/support possible without > adding huge piles of work to his plate. > > I am so grateful to have all of you awesome folks to turn to when I hit > the muddy waters... > > Thanks, > H. > > *Heather Mariger* > *Digital Accessibility Advocate* > > *Pronouns: She/Her* > > *Center for Academic Innovation* > *Chemeketa Community College* > *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* > *Salem, OR 97305* > > 503.589.7832 > > ***************** > *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to > dance. * > Verna Myers, author and speaker > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Network of Assistive Technologists and Alan Cantor are hosting a PD session - Automating Repetitive Tasks for People with Disabilities with Macros During this two-hour webinar, learn to create macros that enhance computer access for people with disabilities ? and everybody else! This is a hands-on session. After introducing each topic, the instructor will give you time to work through exercises. After each exercise, the group will reconvene on Zoom to discuss and show their work. If you have questions during the exercises, meet the instructor privately in a break-out room. For two weeks after the session, you can book a free, 15-minute consultation with the instructor. All course materials, including a recording of the webinar, will be archived and available to participants for 30 days. Additional information is available here. Registration will be opening Friday, June 5, 2020. Any questions, let me know. 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I've had a chance to test Respondus with Jaws 2020, the latest version of NVDA, and VoiceOver on Mac OS Catalina, and the results were terrible. Jaws and NVDA were not able to read any of the questions in a test exam at all. If I hadn't had my Braille display connected, I wouldn't have been able to complete the exam. I was able to read the questions with the Braille display, and, Jaws did read the multiple choice answers, except it repeated the answer that was highlighted 2 or 3 times as well as the answer just below the selected answer, so I had no way of knowing for sure that I was focused on the answer I wanted to choose. On some pages, Jaws would start reading the page, and I wasn't able to stop the reading. Pressing CTRL did nothing. The log in process was a nightmare as well. There were multiple screens, for example, a screen to take a picture of yourself, take a picture of your student ID card, pan around the room with your webcam, etc. One screen had "facial recognition", and you had to click on "start" and then "continue" when the facial recognition was done, but I was not able to get to the "continue" button with Jaws. Jaws would say "continue", but a sighted person told me the focus was not on the continue button. When I tried the test on my iMac, I didn't even get that far. A screen popped up asking if I wanted to allow Respondus to use my camera, but VO didn't read this prompt and I wasn't able to get to it in any of the usual ways, like pressing VO + F2 quickly to bring up a list of running windows. Maybe the version of Respondus we are using is the issue. We are using Respondus LockDown Browser - Version 2.0.6.06. Or maybe I am doing something wrong? Any ideas welcome! If no one else has had any luck using Respondus with a screen reader, how can they get away with claiming it is accessible with a screen reader? Thanks all, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You were able to get a lot further than I was using the tool I didn't make it past the recording screen where it tested the microphone The problem was that it brought up a window security alertjust imagine the stress for a student with psychological disabilities this is not something we should be using on our campuses I think though the final straw for our campus was we had handed out over 600 Chromebooks to students and we knew that there was already a thousand Chromebooks or more being used by students on campuses and the tool will not work on Chromebooks so not only is it blocking people with disabilities who need screen readers but it's also blocking people who don't have enough money to afford a Mac or a Windows computer and I could not at for the life of me allow it through the firewall frankly it was a terrible terrible tool and a bad idea our campus is banned use of it it's not good The other problem was is the lockdown functionality actually blocks other features then as you said the silencing it with control key if you try to do a screen find for example that is considered an illegal action and it will stop your exam and boot you out not a good tool On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 3:38 PM Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Sorry for cross posting? > > > > Has anyone had success using a screen reader with the Respondus LockDown > Browser? > > > > I've had a chance to test Respondus with Jaws 2020, the latest version of > NVDA, and VoiceOver on Mac OS Catalina, and the results were terrible. Jaws > and NVDA were not able to read any of the questions in a test exam at all. > If I hadn't had my Braille display connected, I wouldn't have been able to > complete the exam. I was able to read the questions with the Braille > display, and, Jaws did read the multiple choice answers, except it repeated > the answer that was highlighted 2 or 3 times as well as the answer just > below the selected answer, so I had no way of knowing for sure that I was > focused on the answer I wanted to choose. On some pages, Jaws would start > reading the page, and I wasn't able to stop the reading. Pressing CTRL did > nothing. The log in process was a nightmare as well. There were multiple > screens, for example, a screen to take a picture of yourself, take a > picture of your student ID card, pan around the room with your webcam, etc. > One screen had "facial recognition", and you had to click on "start" and > then "continue" when the facial recognition was done, but I was not able to > get to the "continue" button with Jaws. Jaws would say "continue", but a > sighted person told me the focus was not on the continue button. When I > tried the test on my iMac, I didn't even get that far. A screen popped up > asking if I wanted to allow Respondus to use my camera, but VO didn't read > this prompt and I wasn't able to get to it in any of the usual ways, like > pressing VO + F2 quickly to bring up a list of running windows. > > > > Maybe the version of Respondus we are using is the issue. We are > using Respondus LockDown Browser - Version 2.0.6.06. Or maybe I am doing > something wrong? Any ideas welcome! > > > > If no one else has had any luck using Respondus with a screen reader, how > can they get away with claiming it is accessible with a screen reader? > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 > > F: 780-497-4018 > > macewan.ca > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. 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If I hadn't had my Braille display connected, I wouldn't have been able to complete the exam. I was able to read the questions with the Braille display, and, Jaws did read the multiple choice answers, except it repeated the answer that was highlighted 2 or 3 times as well as the answer just below the selected answer, so I had no way of knowing for sure that I was focused on the answer I wanted to choose. On some pages, Jaws would start reading the page, and I wasn't able to stop the reading. Pressing CTRL did nothing. The log in process was a nightmare as well. There were multiple screens, for example, a screen to take a picture of yourself, take a picture of your student ID card, pan around the room with your webcam, etc. One screen had "facial recognition", and you had to click on "start" and then "continue" when the facial recognition was done, but I was not able to get to the "continue" button with Jaws. Jaws would say "continue", but a sighted person told me the focus was not on the continue button. When I tried the test on my iMac, I didn't even get that far. A screen popped up asking if I wanted to allow Respondus to use my camera, but VO didn't read this prompt and I wasn't able to get to it in any of the usual ways, like pressing VO + F2 quickly to bring up a list of running windows. > > Maybe the version of Respondus we are using is the issue. We are using Respondus LockDown Browser - Version 2.0.6.06. Or maybe I am doing something wrong? Any ideas welcome! > > If no one else has had any luck using Respondus with a screen reader, how can they get away with claiming it is accessible with a screen reader? > > Thanks all, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. 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What is your institution using in place of Respondus, if anything? Thanks, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 6:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Respondus with a screen reader? You were able to get a lot further than I was using the tool I didn't make it past the recording screen where it tested the microphone The problem was that it brought up a window security alertjust imagine the stress for a student with psychological disabilities this is not something we should be using on our campuses I think though the final straw for our campus was we had handed out over 600 Chromebooks to students and we knew that there was already a thousand Chromebooks or more being used by students on campuses and the tool will not work on Chromebooks so not only is it blocking people with disabilities who need screen readers but it's also blocking people who don't have enough money to afford a Mac or a Windows computer and I could not at for the life of me allow it through the firewall frankly it was a terrible terrible tool and a bad idea our campus is banned use of it it's not good The other problem was is the lockdown functionality actually blocks other features then as you said the silencing it with control key if you try to do a screen find for example that is considered an illegal action and it will stop your exam and boot you out not a good tool On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 3:38 PM Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: Hi all, Sorry for cross posting? Has anyone had success using a screen reader with the Respondus LockDown Browser? I've had a chance to test Respondus with Jaws 2020, the latest version of NVDA, and VoiceOver on Mac OS Catalina, and the results were terrible. Jaws and NVDA were not able to read any of the questions in a test exam at all. If I hadn't had my Braille display connected, I wouldn't have been able to complete the exam. I was able to read the questions with the Braille display, and, Jaws did read the multiple choice answers, except it repeated the answer that was highlighted 2 or 3 times as well as the answer just below the selected answer, so I had no way of knowing for sure that I was focused on the answer I wanted to choose. On some pages, Jaws would start reading the page, and I wasn't able to stop the reading. Pressing CTRL did nothing. The log in process was a nightmare as well. There were multiple screens, for example, a screen to take a picture of yourself, take a picture of your student ID card, pan around the room with your webcam, etc. One screen had "facial recognition", and you had to click on "start" and then "continue" when the facial recognition was done, but I was not able to get to the "continue" button with Jaws. Jaws would say "continue", but a sighted person told me the focus was not on the continue button. When I tried the test on my iMac, I didn't even get that far. A screen popped up asking if I wanted to allow Respondus to use my camera, but VO didn't read this prompt and I wasn't able to get to it in any of the usual ways, like pressing VO + F2 quickly to bring up a list of running windows. Maybe the version of Respondus we are using is the issue. We are using Respondus LockDown Browser - Version 2.0.6.06. Or maybe I am doing something wrong? Any ideas welcome! If no one else has had any luck using Respondus with a screen reader, how can they get away with claiming it is accessible with a screen reader? Thanks all, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Fri Jun 5 08:30:06 2020 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Fri Jun 5 08:30:21 2020 Subject: [Athen] Respondus with a screen reader? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Thanks. Maybe I?ll give it another go with NVDA! We also have a lot of students using Read and Write, which at this time does not work with Respondus, but apparently TextHelp! Is working with Respondus on this? I am doubtful, but we?ll see. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jeffrey Dell Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 6:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Respondus with a screen reader? I didn?t have a whole Lotta luck when I used jaws with it but when I use NVDA with it I was able to get through just fine. It wasn?t a dream to use but it did work all right with NVDA. Stay well, Jeff Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. On Jun 4, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: ? Hi all, Sorry for cross posting? Has anyone had success using a screen reader with the Respondus LockDown Browser? I've had a chance to test Respondus with Jaws 2020, the latest version of NVDA, and VoiceOver on Mac OS Catalina, and the results were terrible. Jaws and NVDA were not able to read any of the questions in a test exam at all. If I hadn't had my Braille display connected, I wouldn't have been able to complete the exam. I was able to read the questions with the Braille display, and, Jaws did read the multiple choice answers, except it repeated the answer that was highlighted 2 or 3 times as well as the answer just below the selected answer, so I had no way of knowing for sure that I was focused on the answer I wanted to choose. On some pages, Jaws would start reading the page, and I wasn't able to stop the reading. Pressing CTRL did nothing. The log in process was a nightmare as well. There were multiple screens, for example, a screen to take a picture of yourself, take a picture of your student ID card, pan around the room with your webcam, etc. One screen had "facial recognition", and you had to click on "start" and then "continue" when the facial recognition was done, but I was not able to get to the "continue" button with Jaws. Jaws would say "continue", but a sighted person told me the focus was not on the continue button. When I tried the test on my iMac, I didn't even get that far. A screen popped up asking if I wanted to allow Respondus to use my camera, but VO didn't read this prompt and I wasn't able to get to it in any of the usual ways, like pressing VO + F2 quickly to bring up a list of running windows. Maybe the version of Respondus we are using is the issue. We are using Respondus LockDown Browser - Version 2.0.6.06. Or maybe I am doing something wrong? Any ideas welcome! If no one else has had any luck using Respondus with a screen reader, how can they get away with claiming it is accessible with a screen reader? Thanks all, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. 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Also if it gets to a 28th line on a page, the Romeo auto-form feeds. This would all work great if I set my lines to 25 and my number of cells to 30. It would even remove any fence-post errors. Problem is, that Blaster insists on adding margins. IfI set my number of lines to 25 it wants to add three extra blank lines and then do a form-feed causing a blank page to appear between each page or pages to have only a single line on them. If I set cells to 30, it insists on adding left and right margins by embossing spaces, causing the line to truncate because it becomes longer than 32 characters. I can't seem to force Blaster to set its margins to zero. If I specify zero as the left, right top or bottom margin, blaster simply changes the number or gives me an error message. You can specify number of cells but it converts that to fractions of an inch. It's basically too smart for its own good! This worked with the Blazer fine because the Blazer can handle a 34-cell line and a 29-line page. So if I set the cells and lines to less, even when Blaster added its margins it didn't trigger any auto-form or line-feeds from the embosser. I asked on the Blaster support list, but that's a black hole; I never seem to get any help. And if you wonder why I don't use Duxbury I've been fighting with its copy protection for years. I think it was last installed on a PC I surplused three years ago and it won't let me install it anywhere now. Plus its serial number is locked up in my office - have I mentioned how much I hate copy protection! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Fri Jun 5 11:16:26 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Fri Jun 5 11:17:27 2020 Subject: [Athen] Respondus with a screen reader? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello: we made the disition that there would be no proktoring softwair this sumestor untill we had a better chance to test and viet what gets used if we pick a better tool i will let you know Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:28 AM Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Lucy, > > > > Thanks for this feedback. What is your institution using in place of > Respondus, if anything? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Lucy GRECO > *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2020 6:27 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Respondus with a screen reader? > > > > You were able to get a lot further than I was using the tool I didn't make > it past the recording screen where it tested the microphone The problem was > that it brought up a window security alertjust imagine the stress for a > student with psychological disabilities this is not something we should be > using on our campuses > > I think though the final straw for our campus was we had handed out over > 600 Chromebooks to students and we knew that there was already a thousand > Chromebooks or more being used by students on campuses and the tool will > not work on Chromebooks so not only is it blocking people with disabilities > who need screen readers but it's also blocking people who don't have enough > money to afford a Mac or a Windows computer and I could not at for the life > of me allow it through the firewall frankly it was a terrible terrible tool > and a bad idea our campus is banned use of it it's not good The other > problem was is the lockdown functionality actually blocks other features > then as you said the silencing it with control key if you try to do a > screen find for example that is considered an illegal action and it will > stop your exam and boot you out not a good tool > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 3:38 PM Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Sorry for cross posting? > > > > Has anyone had success using a screen reader with the Respondus LockDown > Browser? > > > > I've had a chance to test Respondus with Jaws 2020, the latest version of > NVDA, and VoiceOver on Mac OS Catalina, and the results were terrible. Jaws > and NVDA were not able to read any of the questions in a test exam at all. > If I hadn't had my Braille display connected, I wouldn't have been able to > complete the exam. I was able to read the questions with the Braille > display, and, Jaws did read the multiple choice answers, except it repeated > the answer that was highlighted 2 or 3 times as well as the answer just > below the selected answer, so I had no way of knowing for sure that I was > focused on the answer I wanted to choose. On some pages, Jaws would start > reading the page, and I wasn't able to stop the reading. Pressing CTRL did > nothing. The log in process was a nightmare as well. There were multiple > screens, for example, a screen to take a picture of yourself, take a > picture of your student ID card, pan around the room with your webcam, etc. > One screen had "facial recognition", and you had to click on "start" and > then "continue" when the facial recognition was done, but I was not able to > get to the "continue" button with Jaws. Jaws would say "continue", but a > sighted person told me the focus was not on the continue button. When I > tried the test on my iMac, I didn't even get that far. A screen popped up > asking if I wanted to allow Respondus to use my camera, but VO didn't read > this prompt and I wasn't able to get to it in any of the usual ways, like > pressing VO + F2 quickly to bring up a list of running windows. > > > > Maybe the version of Respondus we are using is the issue. We are > using Respondus LockDown Browser - Version 2.0.6.06. Or maybe I am doing > something wrong? Any ideas welcome! > > > > If no one else has had any luck using Respondus with a screen reader, how > can they get away with claiming it is accessible with a screen reader? > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 > > F: 780-497-4018 > > macewan.ca > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. 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What is your institution using in place of Respondus, if anything? Thanks, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 6:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Respondus with a screen reader? You were able to get a lot further than I was using the tool I didn't make it past the recording screen where it tested the microphone The problem was that it brought up a window security alertjust imagine the stress for a student with psychological disabilities this is not something we should be using on our campuses I think though the final straw for our campus was we had handed out over 600 Chromebooks to students and we knew that there was already a thousand Chromebooks or more being used by students on campuses and the tool will not work on Chromebooks so not only is it blocking people with disabilities who need screen readers but it's also blocking people who don't have enough money to afford a Mac or a Windows computer and I could not at for the life of me allow it through the firewall frankly it was a terrible terrible tool and a bad idea our campus is banned use of it it's not good The other problem was is the lockdown functionality actually blocks other features then as you said the silencing it with control key if you try to do a screen find for example that is considered an illegal action and it will stop your exam and boot you out not a good tool On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 3:38 PM Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: Hi all, Sorry for cross posting? Has anyone had success using a screen reader with the Respondus LockDown Browser? I've had a chance to test Respondus with Jaws 2020, the latest version of NVDA, and VoiceOver on Mac OS Catalina, and the results were terrible. Jaws and NVDA were not able to read any of the questions in a test exam at all. If I hadn't had my Braille display connected, I wouldn't have been able to complete the exam. I was able to read the questions with the Braille display, and, Jaws did read the multiple choice answers, except it repeated the answer that was highlighted 2 or 3 times as well as the answer just below the selected answer, so I had no way of knowing for sure that I was focused on the answer I wanted to choose. On some pages, Jaws would start reading the page, and I wasn't able to stop the reading. Pressing CTRL did nothing. The log in process was a nightmare as well. There were multiple screens, for example, a screen to take a picture of yourself, take a picture of your student ID card, pan around the room with your webcam, etc. One screen had "facial recognition", and you had to click on "start" and then "continue" when the facial recognition was done, but I was not able to get to the "continue" button with Jaws. Jaws would say "continue", but a sighted person told me the focus was not on the continue button. When I tried the test on my iMac, I didn't even get that far. A screen popped up asking if I wanted to allow Respondus to use my camera, but VO didn't read this prompt and I wasn't able to get to it in any of the usual ways, like pressing VO + F2 quickly to bring up a list of running windows. Maybe the version of Respondus we are using is the issue. We are using Respondus LockDown Browser - Version 2.0.6.06. Or maybe I am doing something wrong? Any ideas welcome! If no one else has had any luck using Respondus with a screen reader, how can they get away with claiming it is accessible with a screen reader? Thanks all, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. 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Also, I checked Google Docs and the HTML editor in Canvas and both don't have the option of Alt Text. Would it be reasonable to say that adding a caption above the table replaces Alt Text? Your feedback would help with understanding table accessibility. Thank you, Khaleel Khaleel Eksheir, MSc.ESM | Assistive Technology Specialist UNC Charlotte | Fretwell 230Q | Office of Disability Services 9201 University City Blvd. | Charlotte, NC 28223 Phone: (704) 687-0042 | Fax: (704) 687-1395 khaleel.eksheir@uncc.edu | Free/Busy Calendar | http://www.ds.uncc.edu [image: ASPIRE Graduate Badge] If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of any of the information in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail or by telephone at 704-687-0042. 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From: athen-list On Behalf Of Khaleel Eksheir Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 3:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT][Athen] Tables accessibility CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, A quick question related to adding Alternative Text to Tables. Would a table be inaccessible if it lacks Alt Text? I'm asking because I noticed that the latest update for PowerPoint doesn't show Alt Text for a table, and it's not showing as an accessibility error. Also, I checked Google Docs and the HTML editor in Canvas and both don't have the option of Alt Text. Would it be reasonable to say that adding a caption above the table replaces Alt Text? Your feedback would help with understanding table accessibility. Thank you, Khaleel Khaleel Eksheir, MSc.ESM | Assistive Technology Specialist UNC Charlotte | Fretwell 230Q | Office of Disability Services 9201 University City Blvd. | Charlotte, NC 28223 Phone: (704) 687-0042 | Fax: (704) 687-1395 khaleel.eksheir@uncc.edu | Free/Busy Calendar | http://www.ds.uncc.edu [ASPIRE Graduate Badge] If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of any of the information in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail or by telephone at 704-687-0042. Thank you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu Mon Jun 8 13:53:53 2020 From: heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu (Heather Mariger) Date: Mon Jun 8 13:54:17 2020 Subject: [Athen] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just wanted to thank you all for your generous responses and help with this question. I am compiling a document with all of your suggestions and comments and will share it with the instructor so we can figure out where to go from here. Thank you again, H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Pronouns: She/Her* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. * Verna Myers, author and speaker On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:16 PM Heather Mariger < heather.mariger@chemeketa.edu> wrote: > Greetings, > > The time I have dreaded has finally come! > > I have been trying to sort out/understand all of the different information > on how to help faculty make math formulas accessible in their course > documents. Between all of the conflicting/outdated information, lack of > experience with different math tools and a general mental block when it > comes to math, I have not been terribly successful. > > Today, I was approached by a math instructor who wants to make his > materials more accessible. He uses LaTex in PDFs for his tests and > handouts. I know that PDFs don't handle equations properly but am > stymied on the best option to suggest for him to still be able to use LaTex > but in an accessible way. > > Any advice or suggestions on how to help him would be greatly appreciated. > I am so thrilled to be starting to make those voluntary inroads and I want > to make sure that I am giving him the best advice/support possible without > adding huge piles of work to his plate. > > I am so grateful to have all of you awesome folks to turn to when I hit > the muddy waters... > > Thanks, > H. > > *Heather Mariger* > *Digital Accessibility Advocate* > > *Pronouns: She/Her* > > *Center for Academic Innovation* > *Chemeketa Community College* > *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* > *Salem, OR 97305* > > 503.589.7832 > > ***************** > *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to > dance. * > Verna Myers, author and speaker > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu Mon Jun 8 16:21:16 2020 From: heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu (Heather Mariger) Date: Mon Jun 8 16:21:44 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ITACCESS] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, I have had a couple of requests to share my compilation document from all of the great responses that you shared with me. So, here is my Accessible Equation Research Document . I hope it is helpful. Feel free to use or comment as you see fit. Thanks, H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Pronouns: She/Her* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. * Verna Myers, author and speaker ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Heather Mariger Date: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:54 PM Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ITACCESS] LaTex and Accessibility - I need some help To: I just wanted to thank you all for your generous responses and help with this question. I am compiling a document with all of your suggestions and comments and will share it with the instructor so we can figure out where to go from here. Thank you again, H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Pronouns: She/Her* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. * Verna Myers, author and speaker On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:16 PM Heather Mariger < heather.mariger@chemeketa.edu> wrote: > Greetings, > > The time I have dreaded has finally come! > > I have been trying to sort out/understand all of the different information > on how to help faculty make math formulas accessible in their course > documents. Between all of the conflicting/outdated information, lack of > experience with different math tools and a general mental block when it > comes to math, I have not been terribly successful. > > Today, I was approached by a math instructor who wants to make his > materials more accessible. He uses LaTex in PDFs for his tests and > handouts. I know that PDFs don't handle equations properly but am > stymied on the best option to suggest for him to still be able to use LaTex > but in an accessible way. > > Any advice or suggestions on how to help him would be greatly appreciated. > I am so thrilled to be starting to make those voluntary inroads and I want > to make sure that I am giving him the best advice/support possible without > adding huge piles of work to his plate. > > I am so grateful to have all of you awesome folks to turn to when I hit > the muddy waters... > > Thanks, > H. > > *Heather Mariger* > *Digital Accessibility Advocate* > > *Pronouns: She/Her* > > *Center for Academic Innovation* > *Chemeketa Community College* > *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* > *Salem, OR 97305* > > 503.589.7832 > > ***************** > *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to > dance. * > Verna Myers, author and speaker > > > ********** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. 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But, I know that Connect is a popular choice for online instruction because the material is integrated in to connect - textbook and exercises are not separate entities. And I also know it interfaces easily with Canvas. Any information and opinions would be great. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Mon Jun 8 16:57:37 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Mon Jun 8 16:57:44 2020 Subject: [Athen] Unexpected zoom challenges in my online course (long) In-Reply-To: References: <61620071-8452-4936-BAB0-5A81E0984237@uw.edu> Message-ID: Setting the global mute was very helpful; I hadn?t realized I could make it a global key. This is a useful trick for anyone who has difficulty switching windows quickly in real-time. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Unexpected zoom challenges in my online course (long) Hi Glen, Thanks so much for sharing these shortcut keys for mute in the various platforms. I was aware of the Zoom shortcut, but not the others! They will come in handy. Take good care, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of glen walker Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Unexpected zoom challenges in my online course (long) Some really good points and shows how accessibility is so tied with usability. Just because the mute button itself is accessible does not mean it's a usable experience. But speaking of mute, are you using the shortcut key to mute/unmute rather than navigating to the button itself? You still have the issue that the window must have focus in order to use the shortcut key and then switch back to the other window to hear/read the contents. I have a little cheat sheet of mute shortcut keys for various online platforms such as zoom, webex, goto meeting. zoom - alt+a goto meeting- ctrl+alt+a google hangouts - ctrl+d bluejeans - m microsoft teams - ctrl+shift+m webex - ctrl+m -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athenpresident at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 19:35:00 2020 From: athenpresident at gmail.com (ATHEN President) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:35:44 2020 Subject: [Athen] Reminder - ATHEN Quarterly Meeting - All are welcome 6/10! Message-ID: Hi all, It's time for our next ATHEN Quarterly Membership Meeting! Anyone is welcome to attend. Meeting details are below, including the Zoom meeting link. Time reserved for this meeting is one hour - attend as much time as you are able. 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The webinar will explore specific scenarios that: - Enable high school students with visual impairments or blindness to take a virtual tour of campus as they navigate the selection process. - Enable rising freshman with visual impairments or blindness to orient themselves to campus before they arrive for their first semester. - Enable all students with visual impairments or blindness to plan new routes of travel at the beginning of each semester. - Enable visitors with visual impairments or blindness to navigate the campus efficiently and effectively. -- *Crystal L. Tenan* IT Accessibility Coordinator NC State University Office of Information Technology Outreach, Communications & Consulting P: (919) 513-4087 Campus Box 7109 cltenan@ncsu.edu accessibility.oit.ncsu.edu Pronouns: She/Her/Hers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Khaleel.Eksheir at uncc.edu Tue Jun 9 06:38:43 2020 From: Khaleel.Eksheir at uncc.edu (Khaleel Eksheir) Date: Tue Jun 9 06:39:17 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glen and Robert, Yes, Robert's answer is what I was looking for. The Alt Text option was available in MS Office for tables and I always recommended to use it. But now that its removed, and not an accessibility standard, I learned something new and I will not include it in my recommendations. Thank you so much for the clarification and the information. Khaleel Khaleel Eksheir, MSc.ESM | Assistive Technology Specialist UNC Charlotte | Fretwell 230Q | Office of Disability Services 9201 University City Blvd. | Charlotte, NC 28223 Phone: (704) 687-0042 | Fax: (704) 687-1395 khaleel.eksheir@uncc.edu | Free/Busy Calendar | http://www.ds.uncc.edu [image: ASPIRE Graduate Badge] If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of any of the information in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail or by telephone at 704-687-0042. Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------- On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 5:38 PM glen walker wrote: > When I hear "alt text", I think of images and html. It sounds like this > question was related to tables in Powerpoint? > > And then you said putting a caption on the table, and again I thought of > the
element that you can put inside a element in html. > > So I wanted to clarify that Robert's answer was what you were looking > for. That is, tables in powerpoint. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Jun 9 07:13:19 2020 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 07:14:31 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008101d63e68$20fd9960$62f8cc20$@pubcom.com> At this time, there isn?t a standard for accessible office documents (Word, GoogleDocs, PowerPoint, Excel, etc.). We have WCAG for HTML/web content, PDF/UA for PDF files, and EPUB for EPUB documents. But nothing designed specifically for office documents. So what you find on the web are recommendations, and maybe an entity?s requirements (such as from a university or government agency). Generally the recommendations are based on WCAG and PDF/UA. But there is no thorough, vetted, and official set of standards for office documents, such as an ISO standard. So in a way, we?re all just making this up as we go along. Our guidelines to clients and students regarding Alt-text on tables: * Make a better, more simple table so that it doesn?t need to be explained with Alt-text (or summary or caption or something else). * If it would be helpful to those with vision deficiencies to have this type of information, then make it available to all users, not just those using screen readers. Alt-text is often hidden from most users, and is voiced only by screen readers, so this is not the best way to convey the information to everyone. * Live narrative text is always a better way to provide this info to all users. Tag it Caption or Summary and place it before the table itself to ensure the widest audience can access it. Long ago when I was in academia publishing, this information was a phrase, sentence, or short paragraph that precedes the table, called Prefatory Information. It still is one of the most effective and efficient ways to communicate to all users. And it doesn?t require any addition tools or coding to be useful and accessible. Just my 2 cents? worth. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | chagnon@pubcom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Khaleel Eksheir Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:39 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility Hi Glen and Robert, Yes, Robert's answer is what I was looking for. The Alt Text option was available in MS Office for tables and I always recommended to use it. But now that its removed, and not an accessibility standard, I learned something new and I will not include it in my recommendations. Thank you so much for the clarification and the information. Khaleel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Jun 9 07:40:35 2020 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Tue Jun 9 07:40:59 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility In-Reply-To: <008101d63e68$20fd9960$62f8cc20$@pubcom.com> References: <008101d63e68$20fd9960$62f8cc20$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <007601d63e6b$f3e19b80$dba4d280$@karlencommunications.com> I?ve been trying to find a group/organization that would be willing to start taking our long standing best practices for word processed, presentation and spreadsheet documents/content and move us toward an international standard with no luck. For word processed content, many of our best practices are based on long standing publisher ?standards? and I?d like to use as many of those as possible. For other document parts we have an understanding of what the authoring tool is capable of and what adaptive technology is capable of and can blend those elements in. So, if anyone has any idea on how to start building this type of standard let me know. It is a huge area of accessible document design or digital content design that we really need a standard for. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:13 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility At this time, there isn?t a standard for accessible office documents (Word, GoogleDocs, PowerPoint, Excel, etc.). We have WCAG for HTML/web content, PDF/UA for PDF files, and EPUB for EPUB documents. But nothing designed specifically for office documents. So what you find on the web are recommendations, and maybe an entity?s requirements (such as from a university or government agency). Generally the recommendations are based on WCAG and PDF/UA. But there is no thorough, vetted, and official set of standards for office documents, such as an ISO standard. So in a way, we?re all just making this up as we go along. Our guidelines to clients and students regarding Alt-text on tables: * Make a better, more simple table so that it doesn?t need to be explained with Alt-text (or summary or caption or something else). * If it would be helpful to those with vision deficiencies to have this type of information, then make it available to all users, not just those using screen readers. Alt-text is often hidden from most users, and is voiced only by screen readers, so this is not the best way to convey the information to everyone. * Live narrative text is always a better way to provide this info to all users. Tag it Caption or Summary and place it before the table itself to ensure the widest audience can access it. Long ago when I was in academia publishing, this information was a phrase, sentence, or short paragraph that precedes the table, called Prefatory Information. It still is one of the most effective and efficient ways to communicate to all users. And it doesn?t require any addition tools or coding to be useful and accessible. Just my 2 cents? worth. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | chagnon@pubcom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Khaleel Eksheir Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:39 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility Hi Glen and Robert, Yes, Robert's answer is what I was looking for. The Alt Text option was available in MS Office for tables and I always recommended to use it. But now that its removed, and not an accessibility standard, I learned something new and I will not include it in my recommendations. 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Thank you, Khaleell Khaleel Eksheir, MSc.ESM | Assistive Technology Specialist UNC Charlotte | Fretwell 230Q | Office of Disability Services 9201 University City Blvd. | Charlotte, NC 28223 Phone: (704) 687-0042 | Fax: (704) 687-1395 khaleel.eksheir@uncc.edu | Free/Busy Calendar | http://www.ds.uncc.edu [image: ASPIRE Graduate Badge] If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of any of the information in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail or by telephone at 704-687-0042. Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------- On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM wrote: > At this time, there isn?t a standard for accessible office documents > (Word, GoogleDocs, PowerPoint, Excel, etc.). > > > > We have WCAG for HTML/web content, PDF/UA for PDF files, and EPUB for EPUB > documents. But nothing designed specifically for office documents. > > > > So what you find on the web are recommendations, and maybe an entity?s > requirements (such as from a university or government agency). Generally > the recommendations are based on WCAG and PDF/UA. > > > > But there is no thorough, vetted, and official set of standards for office > documents, such as an ISO standard. > > > > So in a way, we?re all just making this up as we go along. > > > > Our guidelines to clients and students regarding Alt-text on tables: > > - Make a better, more simple table so that it doesn?t need to be > explained with Alt-text (or summary or caption or something else). > - If it would be helpful to those with vision deficiencies to have > this type of information, then make it available to all users, not just > those using screen readers. Alt-text is often hidden from most users, and > is voiced only by screen readers, so this is not the best way to convey the > information to everyone. > - Live narrative text is always a better way to provide this info to > all users. Tag it Caption or Summary and place it before the table itself > to ensure the widest audience can access it. Long ago when I was in > academia publishing, this information was a phrase, sentence, or short > paragraph that precedes the table, called Prefatory Information. It still > is one of the most effective and efficient ways to communicate to all > users. And it doesn?t require any addition tools or coding to be useful and > accessible. > > Just my 2 cents? worth. > > ?Bevi > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* chagnon@pubcom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > ? Accessibility Tips > at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Khaleel Eksheir > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:39 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility > > > > Hi Glen and Robert, > > > > Yes, Robert's answer is what I was looking for. The Alt Text option was > available in MS Office for tables and I always recommended to use it. But > now that its removed, and not an accessibility standard, I learned > something new and I will not include it in my recommendations. > > > > Thank you so much for the clarification and the information. > > Khaleel > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Tue Jun 9 08:11:38 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Tue Jun 9 08:11:47 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility In-Reply-To: <008101d63e68$20fd9960$62f8cc20$@pubcom.com> References: <008101d63e68$20fd9960$62f8cc20$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: This is the method we use, as well, and I refer to it as a ?best practice.? We move the table caption/identifier to above the table, and sometimes add extra information and call it a ?caption? or sometimes ?alternate format note.? Alt-texting a table is not a thing, yet, and even if it was, I agree with Bevi that we shouldn?t put that information in a hidden format that only certain readers can see. Marking the header row in the table is critical, as well. And the simpler the table, the better. I have been known to break tables into smaller tables when the information is REALLY complex and hard to follow. *Please note: I am currently working remotely, so can be reached by email, Teams, or by cell at 303-475-7447.* Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:13 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility At this time, there isn?t a standard for accessible office documents (Word, GoogleDocs, PowerPoint, Excel, etc.). We have WCAG for HTML/web content, PDF/UA for PDF files, and EPUB for EPUB documents. But nothing designed specifically for office documents. So what you find on the web are recommendations, and maybe an entity?s requirements (such as from a university or government agency). Generally the recommendations are based on WCAG and PDF/UA. But there is no thorough, vetted, and official set of standards for office documents, such as an ISO standard. So in a way, we?re all just making this up as we go along. Our guidelines to clients and students regarding Alt-text on tables: ? Make a better, more simple table so that it doesn?t need to be explained with Alt-text (or summary or caption or something else). ? If it would be helpful to those with vision deficiencies to have this type of information, then make it available to all users, not just those using screen readers. Alt-text is often hidden from most users, and is voiced only by screen readers, so this is not the best way to convey the information to everyone. ? Live narrative text is always a better way to provide this info to all users. Tag it Caption or Summary and place it before the table itself to ensure the widest audience can access it. Long ago when I was in academia publishing, this information was a phrase, sentence, or short paragraph that precedes the table, called Prefatory Information. It still is one of the most effective and efficient ways to communicate to all users. And it doesn?t require any addition tools or coding to be useful and accessible. Just my 2 cents? worth. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | chagnon@pubcom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Khaleel Eksheir Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:39 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility Hi Glen and Robert, Yes, Robert's answer is what I was looking for. The Alt Text option was available in MS Office for tables and I always recommended to use it. But now that its removed, and not an accessibility standard, I learned something new and I will not include it in my recommendations. Thank you so much for the clarification and the information. Khaleel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 3:40 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT]: [Athen] Upcoming webinar External Email Hi all, Last week, an email was sent to the ATHEN listserv about am upcoming ATHEN webinar. I can't seem to find the email. Can someone forward the details to me if you still have them? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hunziker at arizona.edu Tue Jun 9 14:57:57 2020 From: hunziker at arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Tue Jun 9 14:58:24 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]: Upcoming webinar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bryon, Here's a copy of the email - have a good day! Hello Everyone, A reminder about the ATHEN 2020 Virtual Conference. Please register and make sure you have a current membership in order to access the conference. See details below. Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 *** Forwarded message *** Hello Everyone! Announcing the 2020 ATHEN Virtual Conference! We have 3 fantastic presenters to speak with us - see below for the agenda and days/times. Cost: Free for ATHEN members. *If you would like to check your membership status, please contact us at membership@athenpro.org If you're not an ATHEN member, join ATHEN to participate at: https://athenpro.org/content/membership-athen All sessions will be conducted using the Zoom platform and will be captioned. Register online via our Google form for the ATHEN Virtual Conference. Meeting information will be provided prior to the first conference presentation. Hold the following dates/times! Day 1: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 Speaker: Darren Gabbert Time: 10 Pacific, 11 Mountain, 12 Central, 1 Eastern Length: 1 hour Day 2: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 Speaker: Robert Beach Time: 10 Pacific, 11 Mountain, 12 Central, 1 Eastern Length: 1 hour Day 3: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 Speaker: Wink Harner Time: 10 Pacific, 11 Mountain, 12 Central, 1 Eastern Length: 1 hour View more details at https://athenpro.org/content/athen-virtual-conference. Dawn Hunziker ATHEN President Bear Down, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:45 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Upcoming webinar External Email Maybe the email was sent Monday? Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 3:40 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [EXT]: [Athen] Upcoming webinar External Email Hi all, Last week, an email was sent to the ATHEN listserv about am upcoming ATHEN webinar. I can't seem to find the email. Can someone forward the details to me if you still have them? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Jun 10 05:11:20 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Jun 10 05:11:41 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXT] Tables accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My answer applies to both PowerPoint and Word. To my knowledge, HTML never had an alt text attribute for tables. Microsoft was the only one to do this. Robert Lee Beach, Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College rbeach@kckcc.edu 913-288-7671 I am currently working from home. Please leave a voice message and I?ll return your call as soon as possible. Email is probably the quickest way to reach me. From: athen-list On Behalf Of glen walker Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 4:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] [EXT] Tables accessibility CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. When I hear "alt text", I think of images and html. It sounds like this question was related to tables in Powerpoint? And then you said putting a caption on the table, and again I thought of the
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I'm using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can't think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Jun 10 07:59:57 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:00:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Let me make sure I understand. You can share the desktop, but you can't record it? Robert Lee Beach, Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College rbeach@kckcc.edu 913-288-7671 I am currently working from home. Please leave a voice message and I'll return your call as soon as possible. Email is probably the quickest way to reach me. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [EXT][Athen] Zoom Help needed Importance: High CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Everyone: OK, so probably my fault...I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share screen mode. I've looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing settings and can't figure out what I did or what I changed. Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon...I know... I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don't know if they'll get back to me in time. I'm using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can't think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsnider at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 08:00:23 2020 From: lsnider at gmail.com (L Snider) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:00:13 2020 Subject: [Athen] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hi Karen, Two ways to get recording. First in the invite, if you edit, there is a field towards the end that you click for recording. Second, when you are in Zoom, under More (usually) there is the Record option. In the Account management area there is a way of always recording, but I forget which part it is under, but this should get you the recording back for today. Cheers Lisa On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 11:52 AM Karlen Communications wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > > > OK, so probably my fault?I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share screen mode. > > > > I?ve looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing settings and can?t figure out what I did or what I changed. > > > > Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon?I know? > > > > I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don?t know if they?ll get back to me in time. > > > > I?m using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can?t think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. > > > > Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From mdctls at rit.edu Wed Jun 10 08:02:44 2020 From: mdctls at rit.edu (Monica Cormier) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:03:15 2020 Subject: [Athen] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <8e4926370469442d84a705b771d38a32@ex04mail02c.ad.rit.edu> So you know it has stopped recording because it says that it stopped recording or when you look for a recording it is not there? For the second issue, access Zoom via browser, select settings, select recording, under cloud recording, select record active speaker, gallery view and shared screen. Monica From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Zoom Help needed Importance: High Hi Everyone: OK, so probably my fault...I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share screen mode. I've looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing settings and can't figure out what I did or what I changed. Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon...I know... I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don't know if they'll get back to me in time. I'm using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can't think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Jun 10 08:11:02 2020 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:11:27 2020 Subject: [Athen] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <004301d63f39$5ba00db0$12e02910$@karlencommunications.com> Apologies, I've been trying to troubleshoot this for hours. Yesterday participants could see my screen during the session but when I accessed the cloud recording I only had an audio file...no video of the shared desktop. Likewise this morning, I've started several meetings, turned on record, shared my screen and when I've accessed the cloud recording it is only an audio file, no desktop/video. Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of L Snider Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Zoom Help needed Hi Karen, Two ways to get recording. First in the invite, if you edit, there is a field towards the end that you click for recording. Second, when you are in Zoom, under More (usually) there is the Record option. In the Account management area there is a way of always recording, but I forget which part it is under, but this should get you the recording back for today. Cheers Lisa On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 11:52 AM Karlen Communications wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > > > OK, so probably my fault?I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share screen mode. > > > > I?ve looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing settings and can?t figure out what I did or what I changed. > > > > Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon?I know? > > > > I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don?t know if they?ll get back to me in time. > > > > I?m using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can?t think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. > > > > Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Jun 10 08:12:32 2020 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:12:49 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <004401d63f39$93aafa30$bb00ee90$@karlencommunications.com> Yes, I get the audio recording but no video/desktop component. My computer doesn't have a web cam so there has only ever been the screen sharing and this is the first time I've come across this issue. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed Let me make sure I understand. You can share the desktop, but you can't record it? Robert Lee Beach, Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College rbeach@kckcc.edu 913-288-7671 I am currently working from home. Please leave a voice message and I'll return your call as soon as possible. Email is probably the quickest way to reach me. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [EXT][Athen] Zoom Help needed Importance: High CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Everyone: OK, so probably my fault.I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share screen mode. I've looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing settings and can't figure out what I did or what I changed. Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon.I know. I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don't know if they'll get back to me in time. I'm using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can't think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hunziker at arizona.edu Wed Jun 10 08:18:37 2020 From: hunziker at arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:19:40 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: <004401d63f39$93aafa30$bb00ee90$@karlencommunications.com> References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> <004401d63f39$93aafa30$bb00ee90$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hi Karen, Take a look at this help topic - I think this might be what you're experiencing https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360040771752-Frequently-asked-questions-about-local-and-cloud-recording#h_d6a75225-83cd-4dd9-9e21-1f7dedc91a6c Why is my cloud recording not showing my video when screen sharing? Enable the cloud recording option, Record thumbnails when sharing. You can also select a recording layout type if you want to record video and shared as separate videos. Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:13 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed External Email Yes, I get the audio recording but no video/desktop component. My computer doesn't have a web cam so there has only ever been the screen sharing and this is the first time I've come across this issue. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed Let me make sure I understand. You can share the desktop, but you can't record it? Robert Lee Beach, Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College rbeach@kckcc.edu 913-288-7671 I am currently working from home. Please leave a voice message and I'll return your call as soon as possible. Email is probably the quickest way to reach me. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [EXT][Athen] Zoom Help needed Importance: High CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Everyone: OK, so probably my fault...I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share screen mode. I've looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing settings and can't figure out what I did or what I changed. Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon...I know... I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don't know if they'll get back to me in time. I'm using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can't think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slovika at lanecc.edu Wed Jun 10 08:21:29 2020 From: slovika at lanecc.edu (Alexandra Slovik) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:21:22 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: <004401d63f39$93aafa30$bb00ee90$@karlencommunications.com> References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> <004401d63f39$93aafa30$bb00ee90$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hi Karlen, It sounds like you need to enable different file types in your Zoom account settings. If you go to zoom.us > log in > settings > recording, you'll find a checklist of file types under "Cloud Recording" and then you should be able to enable those. Here is the Zoom help page on it: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/203741855-Cloud-recording#h_acaffbd8-27a3-4683-b3a0-b7f853c9e424 Hope this might help, Lexi Slovik Testing Coordinator Center for Accessible Resources Lane Community College Eugene, OR 97405 On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:14 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Yes, I get the audio recording but no video/desktop component. My computer > doesn?t have a web cam so there has only ever been the screen sharing and > this is the first time I?ve come across this issue. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Beach > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:00 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed > > > > Let me make sure I understand. You can share the desktop, but you can?t > record it? > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach, Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > 913-288-7671 > > I am currently working from home. Please leave a voice message and I?ll > return your call as soon as possible. Email is probably the quickest way to > reach me. > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Karlen Communications > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:52 AM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT][Athen] Zoom Help needed > *Importance:* High > > > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > Hi Everyone: > > > > OK, so probably my fault?I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses > yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share > screen mode. > > > > I?ve looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing > settings and can?t figure out what I did or what I changed. > > > > Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon?I know? > > > > I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don?t know > if they?ll get back to me in time. > > > > I?m using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I > can?t think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a > setting. > > > > Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Lexi Slovik Testing Coordinator *Effective March 18, 2020 CAR will be open with modifications. Staff will work remotely and will continue to offer accommodations and support during this time. We will be available via email at accessibleresources@lanecc.edu and phone at (541) 463-5150. You can also find resources for online class support at www.lanecc.edu/disability * *Center for Accessible Resources* Lane Community College | Building 19/266 Eugene, OR 97405 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Jun 10 08:50:28 2020 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:51:10 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed In-Reply-To: References: <002c01d63f36$bac11c10$30435430$@karlencommunications.com> <004401d63f39$93aafa30$bb00ee90$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <005801d63f3e$dfebe7b0$9fc3b710$@karlencommunications.com> Thanks everyone! As I suspected it was user error. I had audio only checked/not sure how I did that, I didn't have the active speaker and shared screen checked/not sure how I did that AND as icing on the cake, feel free to laugh.I looked all over for a Save button and couldn't find one.until I started looking at some of your suggestions.turns out it was over to the left and I intuitively/or not was looking for it on the right. Sigh.. I don't usually change settings and didn't actively to that yesterday although as I say, I should have done things with my glasses on! Happy Wednesday.it is all working as it should now! Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:19 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed Hi Karen, Take a look at this help topic - I think this might be what you're experiencing https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360040771752-Frequently-asked-ques tions-about-local-and-cloud-recording#h_d6a75225-83cd-4dd9-9e21-1f7dedc91a6c Why is my cloud recording not showing my video when screen sharing? Enable the cloud recording option , Record thumbnails when sharing. You can also select a recording layout type if you want to record video and shared as separate videos. Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:13 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed External Email Yes, I get the audio recording but no video/desktop component. My computer doesn't have a web cam so there has only ever been the screen sharing and this is the first time I've come across this issue. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Zoom Help needed Let me make sure I understand. You can share the desktop, but you can't record it? Robert Lee Beach, Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College rbeach@kckcc.edu 913-288-7671 I am currently working from home. Please leave a voice message and I'll return your call as soon as possible. Email is probably the quickest way to reach me. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [EXT][Athen] Zoom Help needed Importance: High CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Everyone: OK, so probably my fault.I tried to use Zoom without my magnifying glasses yesterday and its now stopped recording my desktop when I go into share screen mode. I've looked on the web and gone through all of the video and sharing settings and can't figure out what I did or what I changed. Can anyone help? I have a training webinar this afternoon.I know. I have contacted Zoom support as I have a paid subscription but don't know if they'll get back to me in time. I'm using a Windows 10 desktop with all updates, Zoom is up to date and I can't think of anything that changed unless I inadvertently changed a setting. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Jun 10 10:31:19 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Jun 10 10:31:43 2020 Subject: [Athen] Anyone have these books? Message-ID: Hi all. These are both Rowman & Lttlefield books, but when I requested files, I got a "certain functions have been suspended due to Covid-19" message and don't know if I'll actually get files. Bookshare does not have them. If anyone has any alternate version of these, I'd be grateful for them! 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I couldn't even view its help videos; there were no buttons or links to play the videos; just a lot of hexadecimal junk. Have other colleges had any experience helping screen readers use it? Do we perhaps need to update it? Ellucian also makes our portal, which is kind of accessible; lots of clickable elements but most screen readers find most of them. No headings and lots of bogus landmarks but it can be navigated with a screenreader. Here's the manufacturer's web page: Ellucian Degree Works https://www.ellucian.com/solutions/ellucian-degree-works --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 11:14:38 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Thu Jun 11 11:15:40 2020 Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA Message-ID: Hi all, I was contacted by a math colleague of mine from AZ about a project she's working on creating a PPT slide deck for math using NVDA. She's set up with MathType & MathPlayer, but has reported a problem with NVDA not recognizing simple function symbols such as "+" and "-" being read correctly in NVDA. I could not easily find my notes on this and wondered if anyone out there has a suggestion about a simple fix for this? A setting? Any info would be helpful for me to pass along to her Thanks in advance. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Thu Jun 11 12:21:12 2020 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:21:40 2020 Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe try a different voice? I?ve noticed differences in various text-to-speech programs I?ve tried where different voices will read some things differently. -Andi :) From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:15 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA Hi all, I was contacted by a math colleague of mine from AZ about a project she's working on creating a PPT slide deck for math using NVDA. She's set up with MathType & MathPlayer, but has reported a problem with NVDA not recognizing simple function symbols such as "+" and "-" being read correctly in NVDA. I could not easily find my notes on this and wondered if anyone out there has a suggestion about a simple fix for this? A setting? Any info would be helpful for me to pass along to her Thanks in advance. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slovika at lanecc.edu Thu Jun 11 13:09:20 2020 From: slovika at lanecc.edu (Alexandra Slovik) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:09:16 2020 Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try downloading the Access8 Math add on through NVDA - that has built in code to read out many math symbols. Here is the link: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/access8math.en.html Thanks, Lexi Slovik On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:23 PM Andrea L. Dietrich wrote: > Maybe try a different voice? I?ve noticed differences in various > text-to-speech programs I?ve tried where different voices will read some > things differently. > > > > -Andi :) > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Wink Harner > *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:15 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] function signs in NVDA > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was contacted by a math colleague of mine from AZ about a project she's > working on creating a PPT slide deck for math using NVDA. > > > > She's set up with MathType & MathPlayer, but has reported a problem with > NVDA not recognizing simple function symbols such as "+" and "-" being read > correctly in NVDA. > > > > I could not easily find my notes on this and wondered if anyone out there > has a suggestion about a simple fix for this? A setting? > > > > Any info would be helpful for me to pass along to her > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Wink Harner > > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Lexi Slovik Testing Coordinator *Effective March 18, 2020 CAR will be open with modifications. Staff will work remotely and will continue to offer accommodations and support during this time. We will be available via email at accessibleresources@lanecc.edu and phone at (541) 463-5150. You can also find resources for online class support at www.lanecc.edu/disability * *Center for Accessible Resources* Lane Community College | Building 19/266 Eugene, OR 97405 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 13:11:41 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:12:40 2020 Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Alexandra. I'll pass this info along to my colleague! Appreciate your help. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Alexandra Slovik wrote: > Try downloading the Access8 Math add on through NVDA - that has built in > code to read out many math symbols. > > Here is the link: > https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/access8math.en.html > > Thanks, > Lexi Slovik > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:23 PM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: > >> Maybe try a different voice? I?ve noticed differences in various >> text-to-speech programs I?ve tried where different voices will read some >> things differently. >> >> >> >> -Andi :) >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Wink Harner >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:15 PM >> *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu >> *Subject:* [Athen] function signs in NVDA >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I was contacted by a math colleague of mine from AZ about a project she's >> working on creating a PPT slide deck for math using NVDA. >> >> >> >> She's set up with MathType & MathPlayer, but has reported a problem with >> NVDA not recognizing simple function symbols such as "+" and "-" being read >> correctly in NVDA. >> >> >> >> I could not easily find my notes on this and wondered if anyone out there >> has a suggestion about a simple fix for this? A setting? >> >> >> >> Any info would be helpful for me to pass along to her >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Wink Harner >> >> Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production >> >> The Foreign Type >> >> Portland OR >> foreigntype@gmail.com >> 480-984-0034 >> >> This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive >> quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Lexi Slovik > Testing Coordinator > > *Effective March 18, 2020 CAR will be open with modifications. Staff will > work remotely and will continue to offer accommodations and support during > this time. We will be available via email at accessibleresources@lanecc.edu > and phone at (541) 463-5150. You can also > find resources for online class support at www.lanecc.edu/disability > * > > *Center for Accessible Resources* > > Lane Community College | Building 19/266 > Eugene, OR 97405 > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Thu Jun 11 13:49:27 2020 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:49:54 2020 Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Make sure the reading is taking place in the Presentation view (F5)...not the slide edit view. Also, it the prof is trying to use plain text dash for a minus sign (that is, not embedding it in a MathType expression), then that is typically not voiced by NVDA unless you set it to read all punctuation. There's a nice writeup of how to use MathType in PowerPoint so that it is accessible to screen readers: https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/mathtype_desktop/tips/tips_powerpoint#create_accessible_powerpoint_slides --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Alexandra Slovik Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] function signs in NVDA Try downloading the Access8 Math add on through NVDA - that has built in code to read out many math symbols. Here is the link: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/access8math.en.html Thanks, Lexi Slovik On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:23 PM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: Maybe try a different voice? I?ve noticed differences in various text-to-speech programs I?ve tried where different voices will read some things differently. -Andi :) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:15 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA Hi all, I was contacted by a math colleague of mine from AZ about a project she's working on creating a PPT slide deck for math using NVDA. She's set up with MathType & MathPlayer, but has reported a problem with NVDA not recognizing simple function symbols such as "+" and "-" being read correctly in NVDA. I could not easily find my notes on this and wondered if anyone out there has a suggestion about a simple fix for this? A setting? Any info would be helpful for me to pass along to her Thanks in advance. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Lexi Slovik Testing Coordinator Effective March 18, 2020 CAR will be open with modifications. Staff will work remotely and will continue to offer accommodations and support during this time. We will be available via email at accessibleresources@lanecc.edu and phone at (541) 463-5150. You can also find resources for online class support at www.lanecc.edu/disability Center for Accessible Resources Lane Community College | Building 19/266 Eugene, OR 97405 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 13:58:24 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:59:06 2020 Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Steve! I have already pointed my friend Sue to your link below. I keep your resource links bookmarked ;>) I'll forward on the info about the edit vs presentation view + the toggle key. I suspect that may be it. Thanks again! Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:50 PM Noble,Stephen L. wrote: > Make sure the reading is taking place in the Presentation view (F5)...not > the slide edit view. Also, it the prof is trying to use plain text dash for > a minus sign (that is, not embedding it in a MathType expression), then > that is typically not voiced by NVDA unless you set it to read all > punctuation. > > There's a nice writeup of how to use MathType in PowerPoint so that it is > accessible to screen readers: > > https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/mathtype_desktop/tips/tips_powerpoint#create_accessible_powerpoint_slides > > > --Steve Noble > steve.noble@louisville.edu > 502-969-3088 > > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Alexandra Slovik > *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:09 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] function signs in NVDA > > Try downloading the Access8 Math add on through NVDA - that has built in > code to read out many math symbols. > > Here is the link: > https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/access8math.en.html > > > > Thanks, > Lexi Slovik > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:23 PM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: > > Maybe try a different voice? I?ve noticed differences in various > text-to-speech programs I?ve tried where different voices will read some > things differently. > > > > -Andi :) > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Wink Harner > *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:15 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] function signs in NVDA > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was contacted by a math colleague of mine from AZ about a project she's > working on creating a PPT slide deck for math using NVDA. > > > > She's set up with MathType & MathPlayer, but has reported a problem with > NVDA not recognizing simple function symbols such as "+" and "-" being read > correctly in NVDA. > > > > I could not easily find my notes on this and wondered if anyone out there > has a suggestion about a simple fix for this? A setting? > > > > Any info would be helpful for me to pass along to her > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Wink Harner > > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Lexi Slovik > Testing Coordinator > > *Effective March 18, 2020 CAR will be open with modifications. Staff will > work remotely and will continue to offer accommodations and support during > this time. We will be available via email at accessibleresources@lanecc.edu > and phone at (541) 463-5150. You can also > find resources for online class support at www.lanecc.edu/disability > * > > *Center for Accessible Resources* > > Lane Community College | Building 19/266 > Eugene, OR 97405 > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Thu Jun 11 15:42:18 2020 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:42:48 2020 Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Wink, I think you want to suggest she adjusts the verbosity, as Steve infers so that ?some? is the selection. I believe to read ASCII math, you need ?most? so that the minus (hyphen) is read. Best, Cath From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:58 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] function signs in NVDA CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Thanks Steve! I have already pointed my friend Sue to your link below. I keep your resource links bookmarked ;>) I'll forward on the info about the edit vs presentation view + the toggle key. I suspect that may be it. Thanks again! Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:50 PM Noble,Stephen L. > wrote: Make sure the reading is taking place in the Presentation view (F5)...not the slide edit view. Also, it the prof is trying to use plain text dash for a minus sign (that is, not embedding it in a MathType expression), then that is typically not voiced by NVDA unless you set it to read all punctuation. There's a nice writeup of how to use MathType in PowerPoint so that it is accessible to screen readers: https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/mathtype_desktop/tips/tips_powerpoint#create_accessible_powerpoint_slides --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Alexandra Slovik > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] function signs in NVDA Try downloading the Access8 Math add on through NVDA - that has built in code to read out many math symbols. Here is the link: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/access8math.en.html Thanks, Lexi Slovik On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:23 PM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: Maybe try a different voice? I?ve noticed differences in various text-to-speech programs I?ve tried where different voices will read some things differently. -Andi :) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:15 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] function signs in NVDA Hi all, I was contacted by a math colleague of mine from AZ about a project she's working on creating a PPT slide deck for math using NVDA. She's set up with MathType & MathPlayer, but has reported a problem with NVDA not recognizing simple function symbols such as "+" and "-" being read correctly in NVDA. I could not easily find my notes on this and wondered if anyone out there has a suggestion about a simple fix for this? A setting? Any info would be helpful for me to pass along to her Thanks in advance. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Lexi Slovik Testing Coordinator Effective March 18, 2020 CAR will be open with modifications. Staff will work remotely and will continue to offer accommodations and support during this time. We will be available via email at accessibleresources@lanecc.edu and phone at (541) 463-5150. 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I agree with Lucy with the challenges a Collaborate host has with the platform when using adaptive software. I am a Dragon NaturallySpeaking user and for those of you who may not know this, the verbal commands are built using the same Aria coding used with screen reader software so essentially neither the blind/VI screen reader user nor the speech-to-text user can use the software to navigate the site, the menus or the commands easily (or at all). Zoom is definitely less problematic. Another bonus? Zoom allows saving a caption transcript, as well as allowing easier access for a CART transcriptions, allows for a split screen so the user can see the instructor?s screen/presentation and either an ASL interpreter or the CART transcription in a side-by-side window set up. The AI used in Collaborate to generate automatic captions is very low in accuracy and is considerably more complicated to set up. As an instructor, I have no choice the LMS platform the college(s) choose. Thankfully (I guess), I?ve had years of experience troubleshooting these problems for students. Now I am McGyvering solutions for ME to access! I hope this personal experience is helpful. Wink Harner Foreigntype@gmsil.com On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 7:36 PM Lucy GRECO wrote: > I have not done a full comparison of both but every incident that I've had > to use collaborate was a very difficult problematic experience especially > if the person with the disability is the host > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 6:47 PM Craig Levins wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> >> >> I am beginning to assess the accessibility of Blackboard Collaborate >> versus Zoom, and am wondering if anyone has gone through this process. If >> so would you be able to share what you have found? Additionally, if you >> have used either, or both, and have any opinions, suggestions, etc. and are >> willing to share I would be very grateful. >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Please Note: Due to Florida's very broad public records law, most written >> communications to or from College employees regarding College business are >> public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, >> this email communication may be subject to public disclosure. >> >> [image: Broward College] >> Craig Levins? >> Associate Vice President, Institutional Accessibility & ADA Coordinator >> , Broward College >> P: *+1 (954) 2012313* <+1%20(954)%202012313> >> E: *clevins@broward.edu* | W: *broward.edu* >> >> A: 1000 E Coconut Creek Pkwy. >> >> Coconut Creek, FL 33066 >> >> [image: Broward College Top 10 Aspen Prize Finalist] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 05:28:45 2020 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Dell) Date: Fri Jun 12 05:29:15 2020 Subject: [Athen] BB Collaborate versus Zoom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The problems I ran into with collaborate were using the controls for recording a session with my screen reader. The problem that we ran into with students using collaborate this past spring was for students that use ASL interpreters in collaborate. It is not possible to control completely the video feeds that you see. With zoom a student can go on to gallery view and select to pin video sources to their screen. You do not have the same controls with collaborate. When we were doing demos to see how interpreting would work in collaborate any time people would speak it would bounce the interpreter off the screen. It?s even further complicated when using to interpreters or when the class size is large. Jeff Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. > On Jun 12, 2020, at 1:10 AM, Wink Harner wrote: > > ? > HI Craig et al ATHENites > > I am speaking from personal experience with both Zoom and Collaborate platforms as an instructor with disabilities. I agree with Lucy with the challenges a Collaborate host has with the platform when using adaptive software. I am a Dragon NaturallySpeaking user and for those of you who may not know this, the verbal commands are built using the same Aria coding used with screen reader software so essentially neither the blind/VI screen reader user nor the speech-to-text user can use the software to navigate the site, the menus or the commands easily (or at all). Zoom is definitely less problematic. > > Another bonus? Zoom allows saving a caption transcript, as well as allowing easier access for a CART transcriptions, allows for a split screen so the user can see the instructor?s screen/presentation and either an ASL interpreter or the CART transcription in a side-by-side window set up. > > The AI used in Collaborate to generate automatic captions is very low in accuracy and is considerably more complicated to set up. As an instructor, I have no choice the LMS platform the college(s) choose. Thankfully (I guess), I?ve had years of experience troubleshooting these problems for students. Now I am McGyvering solutions for ME to access! > > I hope this personal experience is helpful. > > Wink Harner > Foreigntype@gmsil.com > > > >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 7:36 PM Lucy GRECO wrote: >> I have not done a full comparison of both but every incident that I've had to use collaborate was a very difficult problematic experience especially if the person with the disability is the host >> >> >>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 6:47 PM Craig Levins wrote: >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am beginning to assess the accessibility of Blackboard Collaborate versus Zoom, and am wondering if anyone has gone through this process. If so would you be able to share what you have found? Additionally, if you have used either, or both, and have any opinions, suggestions, etc. and are willing to share I would be very grateful. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> >>> Please Note: Due to Florida's very broad public records law, most written communications to or from College employees regarding College business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this email communication may be subject to public disclosure. >>> >>> >>> Craig Levins? >>> Associate Vice President, Institutional Accessibility & ADA Coordinator , Broward College >>> P: +1 (954) 2012313 >>> E: clevins@broward.edu | W: broward.edu >>> A: 1000 E Coconut Creek Pkwy. >>> Coconut Creek, FL 33066 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- > Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you are expecting the information and recognize the sender. ________________________________ The problems I ran into with collaborate were using the controls for recording a session with my screen reader. The problem that we ran into with students using collaborate this past spring was for students that use ASL interpreters in collaborate. It is not possible to control completely the video feeds that you see. With zoom a student can go on to gallery view and select to pin video sources to their screen. You do not have the same controls with collaborate. When we were doing demos to see how interpreting would work in collaborate any time people would speak it would bounce the interpreter off the screen. It?s even further complicated when using to interpreters or when the class size is large. Jeff Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. On Jun 12, 2020, at 1:10 AM, Wink Harner > wrote: ? HI Craig et al ATHENites I am speaking from personal experience with both Zoom and Collaborate platforms as an instructor with disabilities. I agree with Lucy with the challenges a Collaborate host has with the platform when using adaptive software. I am a Dragon NaturallySpeaking user and for those of you who may not know this, the verbal commands are built using the same Aria coding used with screen reader software so essentially neither the blind/VI screen reader user nor the speech-to-text user can use the software to navigate the site, the menus or the commands easily (or at all). Zoom is definitely less problematic. Another bonus? Zoom allows saving a caption transcript, as well as allowing easier access for a CART transcriptions, allows for a split screen so the user can see the instructor?s screen/presentation and either an ASL interpreter or the CART transcription in a side-by-side window set up. The AI used in Collaborate to generate automatic captions is very low in accuracy and is considerably more complicated to set up. As an instructor, I have no choice the LMS platform the college(s) choose. Thankfully (I guess), I?ve had years of experience troubleshooting these problems for students. Now I am McGyvering solutions for ME to access! I hope this personal experience is helpful. Wink Harner Foreigntype@gmsil.com On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 7:36 PM Lucy GRECO > wrote: I have not done a full comparison of both but every incident that I've had to use collaborate was a very difficult problematic experience especially if the person with the disability is the host On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 6:47 PM Craig Levins > wrote: Hello Everyone, I am beginning to assess the accessibility of Blackboard Collaborate versus Zoom, and am wondering if anyone has gone through this process. If so would you be able to share what you have found? Additionally, if you have used either, or both, and have any opinions, suggestions, etc. and are willing to share I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Craig ________________________________ Please Note: Due to Florida's very broad public records law, most written communications to or from College employees regarding College business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this email communication may be subject to public disclosure. Craig Levins? Associate Vice President, Institutional Accessibility & ADA Coordinator , Broward College P: +1 (954) 2012313 E: clevins@broward.edu | W: broward.edu A: 1000 E Coconut Creek Pkwy. 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Thanks, D. ______________ Debbie Krahmer Preferred Pronouns: D/no pronouns Associate Professor in the Libraries Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian 304 Case-Geyer Colgate University 315-228-6592 dkrahmer@colgate.edu On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:47 PM Lane, Lori wrote: > Greetings, > > > > Zoom is still the top conferencing platform for better accessibility > consideration over other platforms like Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, or > Webex. Are there other recommended platforms not listed here? I appreciate > any recommendations, preferences, or experiences that you may have about > any conferencing platforms. 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(I don't know anything about heysummit.com, but I > figured HigherEdWeb had to have done accessibility checks on it.) > > Thanks, > D. > > ______________ > Debbie Krahmer > Preferred Pronouns: D/no pronouns > > Associate Professor in the Libraries > Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian > 304 Case-Geyer > Colgate University > 315-228-6592 > dkrahmer@colgate.edu > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:47 PM Lane, Lori wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> >> >> Zoom is still the top conferencing platform for better accessibility >> consideration over other platforms like Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, or >> Webex. Are there other recommended platforms not listed here? I appreciate >> any recommendations, preferences, or experiences that you may have about >> any conferencing platforms. Please share. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> Lori >> >> ------- >> Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC >> >> IT Accessibility Specialist >> >> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Jun 12 16:07:38 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Jun 12 16:08:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes Message-ID: So here's a typical scenario: instructor posts a reading assignment on Canvas today that's due by middle of next week. The instructor grabbed a literature anthology off her shelf at home, scanned a few pages and posted a PDF. There's no time for the poor student to get me the material to convert to an alternate format. I just got a panicked email from a student in just such a situation.I told her to have the instructor either email me the scan or email me the source information. The adjunct faculty is especially bad at this; instead of having all their materials ready at the start of the quarter they randomly post things on canvas as the due dates come up. Now if it wasn't for copyright law, I'd simply send the ebook of the entire Norton anthology of literature to the offending instructor, tell them to lift the relevant readings from the ebook and post their own accessible copies. But copyright law actually prevents me from doing this. And most instructors don't have the book so they either have to type it in by hand or post a picture of a page. We can scream as much as we like about accessible content but no instructor wants to spend the extra hours typing things in. And it is impossible it seems to get them to stick to just one textbook and assign all their readings from there. I wish we could either force them to stick with one book instead of pulling readings from hither and yon or force legal entities to disregard copyright! We have all this training on how to create accessible content but the elephant in the room is that they ***DON'T*** create their own content. They pull it from everywhere! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Sellmeyer at marist.edu Fri Jun 12 16:21:30 2020 From: John.Sellmeyer at marist.edu (John Sellmeyer) Date: Fri Jun 12 16:21:44 2020 Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Which wouldn?t be all that bad if they did it the correct way and secured rights to the material and had it produced on campus, so at least the copy center might have a digital copy... JS Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Deborah Armstrong wrote: ? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] So here?s a typical scenario: instructor posts a reading assignment on Canvas today that?s due by middle of next week. The instructor grabbed a literature anthology off her shelf at home, scanned a few pages and posted a PDF. There?s no time for the poor student to get me the material to convert to an alternate format. I just got a panicked email from a student in just such a situation.I told her to have the instructor either email me the scan or email me the source information. The adjunct faculty is especially bad at this; instead of having all their materials ready at the start of the quarter they randomly post things on canvas as the due dates come up. Now if it wasn?t for copyright law, I?d simply send the ebook of the entire Norton anthology of literature to the offending instructor, tell them to lift the relevant readings from the ebook and post their own accessible copies. But copyright law actually prevents me from doing this. And most instructors don?t have the book so they either have to type it in by hand or post a picture of a page. We can scream as much as we like about accessible content but no instructor wants to spend the extra hours typing things in. And it is impossible it seems to get them to stick to just one textbook and assign all their readings from there. I wish we could either force them to stick with one book instead of pulling readings from hither and yon or force legal entities to disregard copyright! We have all this training on how to create accessible content but the elephant in the room is that they ***DON?T*** create their own content. They pull it from everywhere! --Debee _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 18:31:03 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Fri Jun 12 18:32:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Or the library. Might the library have a digital copy you can use to convert? Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:22 PM John Sellmeyer wrote: > Which wouldn?t be all that bad if they did it the correct way and secured > rights to the material and had it produced on campus, so at least the copy > center might have a digital copy... > > JS > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 12, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Deborah Armstrong > wrote: > > ? > > *[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* > > So here?s a typical scenario: instructor posts a reading assignment on > Canvas today that?s due by middle of next week. The instructor grabbed a > literature anthology off her shelf at home, scanned a few pages and posted > a PDF. > > > > There?s no time for the poor student to get me the material to convert to > an alternate format. I just got a panicked email from a student in just > such a situation.I told her to have the instructor either email me the scan > or email me the source information. > > > > The adjunct faculty is especially bad at this; instead of having all their > materials ready at the start of the quarter they randomly post things on > canvas as the due dates come up. > > > > Now if it wasn?t for copyright law, I?d simply send the ebook of the > entire Norton anthology of literature to the offending instructor, tell > them to lift the relevant readings from the ebook and post their own > accessible copies. > > > > But copyright law actually prevents me from doing this. > > > > And most instructors don?t have the book so they either have to type it in > by hand or post a picture of a page. > > > > We can scream as much as we like about accessible content but no > instructor wants to spend the extra hours typing things in. > > > > And it is impossible it seems to get them to stick to just one textbook > and assign all their readings from there. > > > > I wish we could either force them to stick with one book instead of > pulling readings from hither and yon or force legal entities to disregard > copyright! > > > > We have all this training on how to create accessible content but the > elephant in the room is that they ***DON?T*** create their own content. > They pull it from everywhere! > > > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Fri Jun 12 18:55:40 2020 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Fri Jun 12 18:56:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Debbie I think we all understand the Sisyphean task your describing. It is hard to give practical advice without knowing more about your instruction structure and politics but here are a few suggestions. Can you partner with your Director of Risk Management or of Information Security to promote compliance? Does the District have a 504 Compliance officer/ADA Coordinator? If they can take a picture can you get ocr software in place and integrate basic training on it into existing training opportunities/requirements What about Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 7:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes So here?s a typical scenario: instructor posts a reading assignment on Canvas today that?s due by middle of next week. The instructor grabbed a literature anthology off her shelf at home, scanned a few pages and posted a PDF. There?s no time for the poor student to get me the material to convert to an alternate format. I just got a panicked email from a student in just such a situation.I told her to have the instructor either email me the scan or email me the source information. The adjunct faculty is especially bad at this; instead of having all their materials ready at the start of the quarter they randomly post things on canvas as the due dates come up. Now if it wasn?t for copyright law, I?d simply send the ebook of the entire Norton anthology of literature to the offending instructor, tell them to lift the relevant readings from the ebook and post their own accessible copies. But copyright law actually prevents me from doing this. And most instructors don?t have the book so they either have to type it in by hand or post a picture of a page. We can scream as much as we like about accessible content but no instructor wants to spend the extra hours typing things in. And it is impossible it seems to get them to stick to just one textbook and assign all their readings from there. I wish we could either force them to stick with one book instead of pulling readings from hither and yon or force legal entities to disregard copyright! We have all this training on how to create accessible content but the elephant in the room is that they ***DON?T*** create their own content. They pull it from everywhere! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerscher at montana.com Sat Jun 13 07:22:50 2020 From: kerscher at montana.com (kerscher@montana.com) Date: Sat Jun 13 07:23:20 2020 Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01d6418e$1eb9e8b0$5c2dba10$@montana.com> Dear Debee, I am not a lawyer and do not give copyright advice. However, whatever gave the professor the right to grab a few pages from a title, I would guess the fair use doctrine, would also give the right to copy and paste the same amount from a digital version, IMO (non-legal). You could certainly send a link to the professor of the digital version and have him or her grab it from that version, and of course, the professor must have the legal right to the digital version either by purchasing it or getting it from the library. Agree this is a real pain and it would be far better to work from the digital version of content for these purposes. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes So here's a typical scenario: instructor posts a reading assignment on Canvas today that's due by middle of next week. The instructor grabbed a literature anthology off her shelf at home, scanned a few pages and posted a PDF. There's no time for the poor student to get me the material to convert to an alternate format. I just got a panicked email from a student in just such a situation.I told her to have the instructor either email me the scan or email me the source information. The adjunct faculty is especially bad at this; instead of having all their materials ready at the start of the quarter they randomly post things on canvas as the due dates come up. Now if it wasn't for copyright law, I'd simply send the ebook of the entire Norton anthology of literature to the offending instructor, tell them to lift the relevant readings from the ebook and post their own accessible copies. But copyright law actually prevents me from doing this. And most instructors don't have the book so they either have to type it in by hand or post a picture of a page. We can scream as much as we like about accessible content but no instructor wants to spend the extra hours typing things in. And it is impossible it seems to get them to stick to just one textbook and assign all their readings from there. I wish we could either force them to stick with one book instead of pulling readings from hither and yon or force legal entities to disregard copyright! We have all this training on how to create accessible content but the elephant in the room is that they ***DON'T*** create their own content. They pull it from everywhere! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athenpresident at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 14:22:18 2020 From: athenpresident at gmail.com (ATHEN President) Date: Sat Jun 13 14:22:58 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Announcing the 2020 ATHEN Virtual Conference: Humans behind the Tech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, There's still time to register! Our first session is Tuesday! For those who already registered, and who are active ATHEN or AHEAD members, you'll receive log in information on Monday. We'll be using Zoom and captions will be provided. Have a good weekend! Dawn ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: ATHEN President Date: Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:53 PM Subject: Announcing the 2020 ATHEN Virtual Conference: Humans behind the Tech To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Hello Everyone! Announcing the 2020 ATHEN Virtual Conference! We have 3 fantastic presenters to speak with us - see below for the agenda and days/times. Cost: Free for ATHEN members. *If you would like to check your membership status, please contact us at membership@athenpro.org If you're not an ATHEN member, join ATHEN to participate at: https://athenpro.org/content/membership-athen All sessions will be conducted using the Zoom platform and will be captioned. Register online via our Google form for the ATHEN Virtual Conference . Meeting information will be provided prior to the first conference presentation. Hold the following dates/times! *Day 1: Tuesday, June 16, 2020* *Speaker: Darren Gabbert* Time: 10 Pacific, 11 Mountain, 12 Central, 1 Eastern Length: 1 hour *Day 2: Tuesday, June 23, 2020* *Speaker: Robert Beach* Time: 10 Pacific, 11 Mountain, 12 Central, 1 Eastern Length: 1 hour *Day 3: Tuesday, June 30, 2020* *Speaker: Wink Harner* Time: 10 Pacific, 11 Mountain, 12 Central, 1 Eastern Length: 1 hour View more details at https://athenpro.org/content/athen-virtual-conference. Dawn Hunziker ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Mon Jun 15 05:55:19 2020 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Mon Jun 15 05:55:37 2020 Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF Message-ID: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> Howdy all! Question: I?m working with a few colleagues in our math department and we?re discussing accessible equations in PDF documents. Is there a way to insert accessible math in a PDF? If so, what are some best practices (authoring applications, methods, etc)? If not, what are your recommendations for output formats and other best practices to support their efforts? Grateful for the wisdom of this group! ? Be well, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Mon Jun 15 07:31:28 2020 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Mon Jun 15 07:31:41 2020 Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF In-Reply-To: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> References: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <004e01d64321$a89706a0$f9c513e0$@pubcom.com> To the best of my knowledge, PDF does not handle accessible math well. I?m sure we?ll see better implementation when future PDF and PDF/UA standards are released. One way to improve your materials now is to ensure that the correct Unicode math glyphs/characters are used. Example: 10 ? 2 = 8 uses Unicode minus sign U+2212, not a hyphen. Unicode charts are at http://www.unicode.org/charts/#symbols ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF Howdy all! Question: I?m working with a few colleagues in our math department and we?re discussing accessible equations in PDF documents. Is there a way to insert accessible math in a PDF? If so, what are some best practices (authoring applications, methods, etc)? If not, what are your recommendations for output formats and other best practices to support their efforts? Grateful for the wisdom of this group! ? Be well, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kndeibel at syr.edu Mon Jun 15 08:17:17 2020 From: kndeibel at syr.edu (Kate Deibel) Date: Mon Jun 15 08:17:27 2020 Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes In-Reply-To: <000a01d6418e$1eb9e8b0$5c2dba10$@montana.com> References: <000a01d6418e$1eb9e8b0$5c2dba10$@montana.com> Message-ID: Librarian here, but not one specializing in copyright law. The Association of Research Libraries released a great white paper on the intersection of legal aspects of fair use, copyright, and accessibility (PDF). One of the main interpretations that come from this paper is that the current accessibility law precedents give a lot of options when accessibility is the issue. The biggest issue is in regard to sharing the remediated copies, which ultimately seems to be at the publisher's discretion. I concur with George that since you could legitimately get a copy of the ebook from the library via interlibrary loan, grabbing the necessary set of pages should be within legal means. Eventually, the instructor should, via fair use doctrine, inquire about permissions to use the materials on a long term basis. I would caution against assuming that e-book excerpt equals accessible PDF. My experience is that most ebooks may have accessible text but that's it. Tables, images, and other markup may be quite bad if the originating content is a PDF. DRM protected ebooks in particular are headaches since most publishers only test for access by popular screen readers but not other reading tools like Read&Write or other text-to-speech tools. It's weird to have a document that can be read by JAWS but not a lighter weight reader tool. Fortunately, DRM stripping for accessibility needs is permitted by the Chafee amendment in the United States (as covered in the aforementioned white paper). I would still talk with your library and legal counsel for more insight. Do share that white paper, though. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list On Behalf Of kerscher@montana.com Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:23 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Copyright law woes Dear Debee, I am not a lawyer and do not give copyright advice. However, whatever gave the professor the right to grab a few pages from a title, I would guess the fair use doctrine, would also give the right to copy and paste the same amount from a digital version, IMO (non-legal). You could certainly send a link to the professor of the digital version and have him or her grab it from that version, and of course, the professor must have the legal right to the digital version either by purchasing it or getting it from the library. Agree this is a real pain and it would be far better to work from the digital version of content for these purposes. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes So here's a typical scenario: instructor posts a reading assignment on Canvas today that's due by middle of next week. The instructor grabbed a literature anthology off her shelf at home, scanned a few pages and posted a PDF. There's no time for the poor student to get me the material to convert to an alternate format. I just got a panicked email from a student in just such a situation.I told her to have the instructor either email me the scan or email me the source information. The adjunct faculty is especially bad at this; instead of having all their materials ready at the start of the quarter they randomly post things on canvas as the due dates come up. Now if it wasn't for copyright law, I'd simply send the ebook of the entire Norton anthology of literature to the offending instructor, tell them to lift the relevant readings from the ebook and post their own accessible copies. But copyright law actually prevents me from doing this. And most instructors don't have the book so they either have to type it in by hand or post a picture of a page. We can scream as much as we like about accessible content but no instructor wants to spend the extra hours typing things in. And it is impossible it seems to get them to stick to just one textbook and assign all their readings from there. I wish we could either force them to stick with one book instead of pulling readings from hither and yon or force legal entities to disregard copyright! We have all this training on how to create accessible content but the elephant in the room is that they ***DON'T*** create their own content. They pull it from everywhere! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 08:18:08 2020 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Dell) Date: Mon Jun 15 08:18:16 2020 Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF In-Reply-To: <004e01d64321$a89706a0$f9c513e0$@pubcom.com> References: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> <004e01d64321$a89706a0$f9c513e0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: There was a product I tried when it was in beta that worked pretty well for creating accessible math content in PDF's. It was years ago so I don't knowhere it stands now. LEAN Math and the contact is John Gardner Jeff On 6/15/20, chagnon@pubcom.com wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, PDF does not handle accessible math well. > > I?m sure we?ll see better implementation when future PDF and PDF/UA > standards are released. > > > > One way to improve your materials now is to ensure that the correct Unicode > math glyphs/characters are used. Example: 10 ? 2 = 8 uses Unicode minus sign > U+2212, not a hyphen. > > > > Unicode charts are at http://www.unicode.org/charts/#symbols > > > > ? ? ? > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | > > ? ? ? > > PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes > > > ? ? ? > > Latest blog-newsletter > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > From: athen-list On Behalf > Of Justin Romack > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:55 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF > > > > Howdy all! > > > > Question: I?m working with a few colleagues in our math department and we?re > discussing accessible equations in PDF documents. > > > > Is there a way to insert accessible math in a PDF? If so, what are some best > practices (authoring applications, methods, etc)? > > > > If not, what are your recommendations for output formats and other best > practices to support their efforts? > > > > Grateful for the wisdom of this group! ? > > > > Be well, > > J > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resources | Texas A&M University > > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > > > ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu > | disability.tamu.edu > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission > > > > From bcb4y at virginia.edu Mon Jun 15 08:56:03 2020 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Mon Jun 15 08:56:41 2020 Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d6418e$1eb9e8b0$5c2dba10$@montana.com> Message-ID: <611A12E8-39B3-47C1-B585-E9CAD88A72B8@virginia.edu> Hi all, Thanks, Kate, for mentioning the white paper on reconciling copyrights and civil rights! I?m glad it?s been helpful to you, and you?re right about the main upshot of the paper: you have many more options for lawfully providing accessible copies to qualified students than most folks realize. In the original message, it?s not clear to me what it is about copyright law that prohibits the ideal course of action ? extracting an accessible chapter from the relevant e-book version. Is this forbidden by the e-book license agreement? Both fair use and the Chafee Amendment would permit using the ebook to obtain an accessible format version, unless there is a binding license agreement in place to prevent you. You?d have to be sure that only the qualified student is served by the resulting copy, and of course you?d need to be sure the student actually is qualified. What am I missing? Best, Brandon From: athen-list on behalf of Kate Deibel Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Monday, June 15, 2020 at 11:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Copyright law woes Librarian here, but not one specializing in copyright law. The Association of Research Libraries released a great white paper on the intersection of legal aspects of fair use, copyright, and accessibility (PDF). One of the main interpretations that come from this paper is that the current accessibility law precedents give a lot of options when accessibility is the issue. The biggest issue is in regard to sharing the remediated copies, which ultimately seems to be at the publisher?s discretion. I concur with George that since you could legitimately get a copy of the ebook from the library via interlibrary loan, grabbing the necessary set of pages should be within legal means. Eventually, the instructor should, via fair use doctrine, inquire about permissions to use the materials on a long term basis. I would caution against assuming that e-book excerpt equals accessible PDF. My experience is that most ebooks may have accessible text but that?s it. Tables, images, and other markup may be quite bad if the originating content is a PDF. DRM protected ebooks in particular are headaches since most publishers only test for access by popular screen readers but not other reading tools like Read&Write or other text-to-speech tools. It?s weird to have a document that can be read by JAWS but not a lighter weight reader tool. Fortunately, DRM stripping for accessibility needs is permitted by the Chafee amendment in the United States (as covered in the aforementioned white paper). I would still talk with your library and legal counsel for more insight. Do share that white paper, though. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list On Behalf Of kerscher@montana.com Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:23 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Copyright law woes Dear Debee, I am not a lawyer and do not give copyright advice. However, whatever gave the professor the right to grab a few pages from a title, I would guess the fair use doctrine, would also give the right to copy and paste the same amount from a digital version, IMO (non-legal). You could certainly send a link to the professor of the digital version and have him or her grab it from that version, and of course, the professor must have the legal right to the digital version either by purchasing it or getting it from the library. Agree this is a real pain and it would be far better to work from the digital version of content for these purposes. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Copyright law woes So here?s a typical scenario: instructor posts a reading assignment on Canvas today that?s due by middle of next week. The instructor grabbed a literature anthology off her shelf at home, scanned a few pages and posted a PDF. There?s no time for the poor student to get me the material to convert to an alternate format. I just got a panicked email from a student in just such a situation.I told her to have the instructor either email me the scan or email me the source information. The adjunct faculty is especially bad at this; instead of having all their materials ready at the start of the quarter they randomly post things on canvas as the due dates come up. Now if it wasn?t for copyright law, I?d simply send the ebook of the entire Norton anthology of literature to the offending instructor, tell them to lift the relevant readings from the ebook and post their own accessible copies. But copyright law actually prevents me from doing this. And most instructors don?t have the book so they either have to type it in by hand or post a picture of a page. We can scream as much as we like about accessible content but no instructor wants to spend the extra hours typing things in. And it is impossible it seems to get them to stick to just one textbook and assign all their readings from there. I wish we could either force them to stick with one book instead of pulling readings from hither and yon or force legal entities to disregard copyright! We have all this training on how to create accessible content but the elephant in the room is that they ***DON?T*** create their own content. They pull it from everywhere! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Mon Jun 15 14:19:22 2020 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto MA) Date: Mon Jun 15 14:20:01 2020 Subject: [Athen] GRE Prep Materials - Recommendation Message-ID: Hi Everyone: Can anyone recommend a good GRE preparation book for a student who is blind? BTW I know that there are a number of titles available on Bookshare, but I am looking for a volume that specifically has tactile graphics available and has proven to be successful. Thanks for your help, Joseph -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Mon Jun 15 18:18:09 2020 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Mon Jun 15 18:18:20 2020 Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF In-Reply-To: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> References: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> Message-ID: It won't be easy. You will need to copy and paste the MathML code for each expression into a tag in the PDF. As far as I know, nobody has come up with an automated turnkey method to do this...it all has to be done by hand, one expression at a time. Plus, only NVDA+MathPlayer knows how to read the resulting file. So, common practice is to create the content in something much easier to produce and read, like Word+MathType or HTML+MathJax. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Justin Romack Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF Howdy all! Question: I?m working with a few colleagues in our math department and we?re discussing accessible equations in PDF documents. Is there a way to insert accessible math in a PDF? If so, what are some best practices (authoring applications, methods, etc)? If not, what are your recommendations for output formats and other best practices to support their efforts? Grateful for the wisdom of this group! ? Be well, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Tue Jun 16 06:27:36 2020 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Tue Jun 16 06:28:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF In-Reply-To: References: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> Message-ID: Thank you all for this feedback! Will undoubtedly have more questions ? but this helps me get the convo started. Thanks! ? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission From: athen-list On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:18 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF It won't be easy. You will need to copy and paste the MathML code for each expression into a tag in the PDF. As far as I know, nobody has come up with an automated turnkey method to do this...it all has to be done by hand, one expression at a time. Plus, only NVDA+MathPlayer knows how to read the resulting file. So, common practice is to create the content in something much easier to produce and read, like Word+MathType or HTML+MathJax. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Justin Romack Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF Howdy all! Question: I?m working with a few colleagues in our math department and we?re discussing accessible equations in PDF documents. Is there a way to insert accessible math in a PDF? If so, what are some best practices (authoring applications, methods, etc)? If not, what are your recommendations for output formats and other best practices to support their efforts? Grateful for the wisdom of this group! ? Be well, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Tue Jun 16 06:33:41 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Tue Jun 16 06:33:52 2020 Subject: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF In-Reply-To: References: <1af707dd41d44c0ca331dfc28af4ca1b@disability.tamu.edu> <004e01d64321$a89706a0$f9c513e0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: LEAN math won't translate into a PDF. What it DID do is overlay alt text on math objects created with MathType in Microsoft Word, and then Jaws and NVDA could read that alt-text. This was before NVDA was updated to read MathType natively in Microsoft Word. Jaws can read some MathType in MS Word, too, these days, but not perfectly, for sure. Your BEST and most accessible option is going to be creating Math in Microsoft Word with MathType, then publishing to MathML. *Please note:? I am currently working remotely, so can be reached by email, Teams, or by cell at 303-475-7447.* Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T?303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jeffrey Dell Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:18 AM To: chagnon@pubcom.com; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Question about accessible math and PDF There was a product I tried when it was in beta that worked pretty well for creating accessible math content in PDF's. It was years ago so I don't knowhere it stands now. LEAN Math and the contact is John Gardner Jeff On 6/15/20, chagnon@pubcom.com wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, PDF does not handle accessible math well. > > I?m sure we?ll see better implementation when future PDF and PDF/UA > standards are released. > > > > One way to improve your materials now is to ensure that the correct > Unicode math glyphs/characters are used. 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If so, what are > some best practices (authoring applications, methods, etc)? > > > > If not, what are your recommendations for output formats and other > best practices to support their efforts? > > > > Grateful for the wisdom of this group! ? > > > > Be well, > > J > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resources | Texas A&M University > > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > > > ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu > | disability.tamu.edu > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission > > > > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From lorilane at illinois.edu Tue Jun 16 08:57:25 2020 From: lorilane at illinois.edu (Lane, Lori) Date: Tue Jun 16 08:58:08 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessible conferencing software recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, all, for sharing your experiences or the software information. Much appreciative! Lori Lane IT Accessibility Specialist University of Illinois From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible conferencing software recommendations i would not recommend even trying adobe connect its offal just had to use it yesterday and it was reely bad lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:52 AM Debbie Krahmer > wrote: HigherEdWeb's Web Accessibility Summit is using Heysummit.com for their conference software. (I don't know anything about heysummit.com, but I figured HigherEdWeb had to have done accessibility checks on it.) Thanks, D. ______________ Debbie Krahmer Preferred Pronouns: D/no pronouns Associate Professor in the Libraries Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian 304 Case-Geyer Colgate University 315-228-6592 dkrahmer@colgate.edu On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:47 PM Lane, Lori > wrote: Greetings, Zoom is still the top conferencing platform for better accessibility consideration over other platforms like Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, or Webex. Are there other recommended platforms not listed here? I appreciate any recommendations, preferences, or experiences that you may have about any conferencing platforms. Please share. Thank you! 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Krista ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Knox, Margaret H Date: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:59 AM Subject: [ITACCESS] follow up on human captioning in Teams To: I offered to ask Microsoft about this ability at the last call as both Zoom and Webex have APIs for assisting on this. I had a few false starts until I reached out to the Microsoft disability services help desk. They were very responsive. They confirmed I was not the first to ask, especially since the pandemic started. And it is under investigation by engineering. They normally recommend the built in ASR live captioning but noted ? If you would still want to leverage CART/human-generated captions, you can invite a captioner to the meeting, and they?d be able to caption into a separate window.? I asked for an example and the reply was ?this is typically provided by a captioning service. A group I have worked with in the past leverages the StreamText web interface. ? To me this is a work around, but I thought I would share. And likely there are other ways as well. And in case you are not aware, they also do regular webinars wrt Microsoft and accessibility: aka.ms/AccessibilityWebinars . Friday for example, is on ASL usage and Teams Margaret (Marg) Knox The University of Texas System Executive Director Office of the CIO (512) 322-3774 mknox@utsystem.edu 210 West 7th, Univ of Texas System Building Austin, Texas, 78701 ********** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community -- Krista Greear Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader ATHEN Executive Council Vice President Access Technology Higher Education Network -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This came up on our last "Listserv in Real Time" call last Wed, June 10th about real-time captioning in MS Teams. Sharing with ATHEN listserv. Krista ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Knox, Margaret H > Date: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:59 AM Subject: [ITACCESS] follow up on human captioning in Teams To: > I offered to ask Microsoft about this ability at the last call as both Zoom and Webex have APIs for assisting on this. I had a few false starts until I reached out to the Microsoft disability services help desk. They were very responsive. They confirmed I was not the first to ask, especially since the pandemic started. And it is under investigation by engineering. They normally recommend the built in ASR live captioning but noted ? If you would still want to leverage CART/human-generated captions, you can invite a captioner to the meeting, and they?d be able to caption into a separate window.? I asked for an example and the reply was ?this is typically provided by a captioning service. A group I have worked with in the past leverages the StreamText web interface. ? To me this is a work around, but I thought I would share. And likely there are other ways as well. And in case you are not aware, they also do regular webinars wrt Microsoft and accessibility: aka.ms/AccessibilityWebinars . Friday for example, is on ASL usage and Teams Margaret (Marg) Knox The University of Texas System Executive Director Office of the CIO (512) 322-3774 mknox@utsystem.edu 210 West 7th, Univ of Texas System Building Austin, Texas, 78701 ********** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. 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URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Jun 17 07:49:26 2020 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Wed Jun 17 07:50:01 2020 Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill Connect with text to speech Message-ID: I have a Prof who is insistent that McGraw Hill Connect math tests are the best because they pull random questions from a large test bank and diminish the students' ability to cheat. My student needs text to speech and I'm finding that some of the questions are not readable in an accurate way. Last semester, I downloaded a test and converted it to Word for her to access using Read & Write and Equatio. This semester there are three tests and I'm going to have to do the same. The Prof is not happy because he is worried that the material might be "getting out there." Any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks all. Leyna Bencomo, MA ILT Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs Available via Microsoft Teams (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu [sig logo small] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill Connect and Screen readers I got two questions today from different colleges about this. Basically we're wondering how screen reader accessible the offerings from McGraw-Hill connect are. One person asked about a foreign language textbook and another about an intro to business book. Neither had the exact textbook names because instructors are still making adoption decisions for Fall. But, I know that Connect is a popular choice for online instruction because the material is integrated in to connect - textbook and exercises are not separate entities. And I also know it interfaces easily with Canvas. 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His concerns are not valid, and he is placing additional barriers. *Please note: I am currently working remotely, so can be reached by email, Teams, or by cell at 303-475-7447.* Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:49 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] McGraw-Hill Connect with text to speech I have a Prof who is insistent that McGraw Hill Connect math tests are the best because they pull random questions from a large test bank and diminish the students' ability to cheat. My student needs text to speech and I'm finding that some of the questions are not readable in an accurate way. Last semester, I downloaded a test and converted it to Word for her to access using Read & Write and Equatio. This semester there are three tests and I'm going to have to do the same. The Prof is not happy because he is worried that the material might be "getting out there." Any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks all. Leyna Bencomo, MA ILT Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs Available via Microsoft Teams (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill Connect and Screen readers I got two questions today from different colleges about this. Basically we're wondering how screen reader accessible the offerings from McGraw-Hill connect are. One person asked about a foreign language textbook and another about an intro to business book. Neither had the exact textbook names because instructors are still making adoption decisions for Fall. But, I know that Connect is a popular choice for online instruction because the material is integrated in to connect - textbook and exercises are not separate entities. And I also know it interfaces easily with Canvas. Any information and opinions would be great. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Advertised: June 12, 2020 Applications close: Open until filled ADA Architect Apply now Job no: 513659 Work type: Administrative & Professional Senior management: Senior VP & Chief Business Officer Department: Equity and Access Location: Blacksburg Area Categories: Architecture / Construction / Planning Job Description The Office for Equity and Accessibility at Virginia Tech is seeking candidates for a full-time Campus ADA Accessibility Architect. This position reports to the Director for ADA/504 Compliance and Accessibility Services in the Office for Equity and Accessibility. The Campus ADA Accessibility Architect will be responsible for reviewing all design plans for compliance with the 2010 ADA Standards for Accessible Design and the ADAAG. This includes reviewing all building plans for adherence to the ADA standards and the ADAAG in alterations, renovations, capital construction plans, and non-capital construction plans for the university. The Campus ADA Accessibility Architect will consult with the University Building Official?s team and will review all design plans for ADA compliance at all stages of the design review process for all construction. The Campus ADA Accessibility Architect will be a consultant for the Facilities Services GIS team with regards to the maintenance of the Campus Interactive Map and other maps as appropriate; collaborate with the Office of University Planning on accessibility projects, new construction, renovations, and alterations; consult with departments regarding accessibility of facilities to include on-site reviews, measuring, calculating slope of pathways, assessing classroom and laboratory accessibility, sidewalks, ramps; advise the ADA Director and team with regards to building construction and potential disruptions of ADA pathways, ramps, parking, seating, etc; assist with Wayfinding as appropriate; review all signage projects to insure compliance with the ADA signage standards; survey campus for potential ADA projects; manage ADA projects as assigned by the ADA Director; assist ADA Director with ADA-related projects as assigned. The successful candidate must have the ability to resolve issues in an amicable manner and promote a team approach to problem solving. The successful candidate must have the ability to handle numerous tasks and balance a varied workload in a fast-paced environment with strong interpersonal skills. The successful candidate must have the proven ability to identify solutions, generate options, conclusions, and/or alternative approaches when problem solving. Required Qualifications - Degree in Architecture with experience that may equate to an advanced degree. - Registered Architect or demonstrated ability to be registered as a Professional Architect in the Commonwealth of Virginia within 12 months of employment - Professional experience with applying the ADA 2010 Standards for Accessible Design and the ADA Accessibility Guidelines in professional architectural practice Preferred Qualifications - Master's degree or experience in a related field - Experience working in a higher education setting - Experience with Commonwealth of Virginia (or other public agency) directives and higher education facilities requirements. - Experience with the application of ADA requirements in public and/or large residential structures, engineering/architectural principles and practices of design, construction, and inspection processes for large and small projects. - Strong working knowledge of the application of the Virginia Uniform Statewide Building Codes (Accessibility, Fire Protection, Electrical, etc), and related standards. Appointment Type Regular Salary Information Commensurate with Experience Review Date June 25, 2020 Additional Information The successful Candidate will be required to have a criminal conviction check About Virginia Tech Dedicated to its motto, *Ut Prosim* (That I May Serve), Virginia Tech pushes the boundaries of knowledge by taking a hands-on, transdisciplinary approach to preparing scholars to be leaders and problem-solvers. A comprehensive land-grant institution that enhances the quality of life in Virginia and throughout the world, Virginia Tech is an inclusive community dedicated to knowledge, discovery, and creativity. The university offers more than 280 majors to a diverse enrollment of more than 36,000 undergraduate, graduate, and professional students in eight undergraduate colleges , a school of medicine , a veterinary medicine college, Graduate School , and Honors College . The university has a significant presence across Virginia, including the Innovation Campus in Northern Virginia; the Health Sciences and Technology Campus in Roanoke; sites in Newport News and Richmond; and numerous Extension offices and research centers . A leading global research institution, Virginia Tech conducts more than $500 million in research annually. Virginia Tech does not discriminate against employees, students, or applicants on the basis of age, color, disability, sex (including pregnancy), gender, gender identity, gender expression, genetic information, national origin, political affiliation, race, religion, sexual orientation, or veteran status, or otherwise discriminate against employees or applicants who inquire about, discuss, or disclose their compensation or the compensation of other employees or applicants, or on any other basis protected by law. If you are an individual with a disability and desire accommodation please contact the hiring department. 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It involves an online survey that includes questions about how and where you work, how you use different social networking websites, and your familiarity with disability rights related issues. You do not need to have any prior knowledge in order to participate. Survey participants can enter a drawing for one of eight $50 Amazon gift cards. Questions? Contact: Robert Gould, PhD (Principal Investigator). Assistant Clinical Professor Director of Research, Great Lakes ADA Center Department of Disability and Human Development University of Illinois at Chicago rgould3@uic.edu (312) 413- 2299 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Doug.Mantle at kings.uwo.ca Wed Jun 24 06:26:38 2020 From: Doug.Mantle at kings.uwo.ca (Doug Mantle) Date: Wed Jun 24 06:27:07 2020 Subject: [Athen] FW: [N.O.A.T.] Re: Webinar Announcement - Athabasca U - Supporting Students With Disabilities In Online Learning Environments - Friday, June 26, 2020 at 1:30pm ET In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B7730A6FD2DFE499F4A8A1099627D8D74387FD1@kucexch01.kings.kucits.ca> Happy Wednesday! Once again, I?d like to share an invitation to join N.O.A.T. for a webinar this coming Friday, June 26th at 1:30pm ET - Athabasca University - Supporting Students With Disabilities In Online Learning Environments. Details below? Take care! Doug Mantle, Assistive Technology Support Specialist, STARS Learning Lab Co-ordinator Accessibility, Counselling and Student Development - Accessibility Services - Student Affairs King's University College at Western University 266 Epworth Avenue London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 P. 519-433-3491 ext. 4579 | P. 1-800-265-4406 | F. 519-963-1013 Doug.Mantle@Kings.UWO.ca | www.kings.uwo.ca Please be advised that this email is only monitored during regular office hours. During peak times of the academic year, replies may take 2-3 days. If your matter is urgent, please contact the Accessibility, Counselling and Student Development office at 519-433-3491 extension 4321 or acsd@kings.uwo.ca or Wemple room 151. From: noat@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Network of Assistive Technologists Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:24 PM To: NOAT@googlegroups.com Subject: [N.O.A.T.] Re: Webinar Announcement - Athabasca U - Supporting Students With Disabilities In Online Learning Environments - Friday, June 26, 2020 at 1:30pm ET A friendly reminder - Register Now for the Athabasca U - Supporting Students With Disabilities In Online Learning Environments webinar this Friday, June 26th. Visit the Events Site for more details and to register. Take care, Doug Mantle, Founder | The Network of Assistive Technologists www.NOAT.ca | info@NOAT.ca On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:46 AM Network of Assistive Technologists > wrote: You are invited to join The Network of Assistive Technologists on Friday, June 26 at 1:30pm ET as we welcome Lisa Boone and the team from Athabasca University AU has been delivering education online for quite some time and always exploring new ways to support students who are eligible for accommodations. Join Lisa to discuss the various ways that we provide services at a distance. We will discuss alternate format, assistive technology assessment/training as well as exam delivery and how we have modified delivery of services in the provision of accommodations that typically required in-person exam invigilation. Join Us online Friday, June 26, 2020 at 1:30 pm ET. For full details and to register, please visit the N.O.A.T. Events Site. We look forward to seeing you online Friday, June 26, 2020 at 1:30pm ET. 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URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Fri Jun 26 09:42:29 2020 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Fri Jun 26 09:43:02 2020 Subject: [Athen] SPSS 26 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Haven't used for a few years, but you used to have to do some tweaks to get it to work. IBM knowledge Center had the info. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLVMB_23.0.0/spss/base/accessibility_windows.html Best regards, Cath Catherine M. Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu (720) 336-1245 [cid:image001.png@01D23FF3.21F590B0] Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/GettingStartedAtHome From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 9:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] SPSS 26 and JAWS CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Hi all, I've read through the archives and it looks like SPSS working with JAWS was spotty, at best. Is this still the case? I'm working with a student who is using JAWS 2020 and SPSS 26 and JAWS won't read any thing behind the window titles. I tried typing in the cell and JAWS wouldn't even read the text typed in the cell. We made sure that SPSS installed and recognized that JAWS is installed on the machine. This is a Windows 10 machine, 64 bit. I'll keep searching online for solutions but I'm afraid there isn't much out there that I can see with an initial search. Thanks! Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 18481 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: