From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Tue Sep 1 12:53:49 2020 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Tue Sep 1 12:54:17 2020 Subject: [Athen] Access Text Network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bryon, Yes, I've been having issues for the past week. If I wait for a few minutes and then try again I can usually get in, but sometimes it takes several attempts. Good luck! Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 1:52 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Access Text Network Anyone having issues with Access Text Network? I am unable to login. Guess I will try again tomorrow. Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 117 University Center Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After all NVDA is written in Python. It?s not the language that is often the problem but the IDE (Integrated development environment.) From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:00 PM To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] python and jupiter hello sorry for the cross posting but i have been asked to find a way to support students that are blind that willbe in classes using jupiter to code in python. have any of you done so and if so any tips tools or ideas to pass on thanks lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Tue Sep 1 14:26:54 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Tue Sep 1 14:27:46 2020 Subject: [Athen] python and jupiter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: that is going to be my first q smile but for now i am asming that they have the course work is based on it so we need to fix it once and for all smile Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:00 PM Deborah Armstrong wrote: > Do they really have to use Jupiter? After all NVDA is written in Python. > It?s not the language that is often the problem but the IDE (Integrated > development environment.) > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Lucy GRECO > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:00 PM > *To:* The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv < > ITACCESS@listserv.educause.edu>; Access Technology Higher Education > Network > *Subject:* [Athen] python and jupiter > > > > hello sorry for the cross posting but i have been asked to find a way to > support students that are blind that willbe in classes using jupiter to > code in python. have any of you done so and if so any tips tools or ideas > to pass on thanks lucy > > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From travis at travisroth.com Tue Sep 1 14:55:42 2020 From: travis at travisroth.com (travis@travisroth.com) Date: Tue Sep 1 14:56:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] python and jupiter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <069301d680aa$a3836020$ea8a2060$@travisroth.com> The shipping Jupyter is useless with a screen reader in my opinion. There is an NVDA add-on which claims to add support but all it does is allow you to copy the code from a text field, edit and paste it back. Not really ideal. I did notice recently that Google?s Colab which is based on Jupyter is more accessible. They have done some work and the edit fields are usable although I am not sure about perfect. Sadly it appears this work has not been contributed back to the open source Jupyter. On the good news front, Colab is free to use at least for basic use. https://colab.research.google.com/github/tensorflow/examples/blob/master/courses/udacity_intro_to_tensorflow_for_deep_learning/l01c01_introduction_to_colab_and_python.ipynb Often what happens is code examples is provided by publishers in Jupyter notebook format. It is possible to extract these notebooks into regular python scripts, just Google for the convert command. It is easier to read them in a text editor although you lose the interactive part. Consider a mix of the two approaches. Travis From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 4:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] python and jupiter that is going to be my first q smile but for now i am asming that they have the course work is based on it so we need to fix it once and for all smile Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:00 PM Deborah Armstrong > wrote: Do they really have to use Jupiter? After all NVDA is written in Python. It?s not the language that is often the problem but the IDE (Integrated development environment.) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:00 PM To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv >; Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] python and jupiter hello sorry for the cross posting but i have been asked to find a way to support students that are blind that willbe in classes using jupiter to code in python. have any of you done so and if so any tips tools or ideas to pass on thanks lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. Thanks for any ideas. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ecmatson at uidaho.edu Wed Sep 2 08:59:47 2020 From: ecmatson at uidaho.edu (Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu)) Date: Wed Sep 2 09:00:27 2020 Subject: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might look at draw.io or diagrams.net. Draw is web based, Diagrams is desktop software, and draw works on Android and iOS if you go with a tablet like Dawn suggested. It looks like most of the functions have keyboard shortcuts. On Android when I turn on VoiceAccess all the options have number labels, so pairing it with Dragon might be an option, but not sure how well that would work. Thanks, Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | atext@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 Pronouns: He / Him / His This communication may contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams Hi Robert, We've had students who can't hold a pencil for math equations/exams use an iPad app and their finger for writing/drawing. Might that be an option? Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXT][Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams External Email Hello all, Does anybody have a good recommendation for software that can be used to draw diagrams for an econ class? I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. Thanks for any ideas. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Sep 2 09:17:53 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Sep 2 09:18:12 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dawn, Maybe. Can you give me the name of the app you use? This student has CP, but I haven't worked with him enough to know what the real problem is. I plan to meet with him soon (if I can get him to come in) and do an assessment. His instructor seems to be the one who is concerned. Thanks for the response. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Robert, We've had students who can't hold a pencil for math equations/exams use an iPad app and their finger for writing/drawing. Might that be an option? Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXT][Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams External Email Hello all, Does anybody have a good recommendation for software that can be used to draw diagrams for an econ class? I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. Thanks for any ideas. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Sep 2 09:28:34 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Sep 2 09:28:59 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]RE: methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Darren. I still need to meet with the student to do an evaluation. I'm also now looking at what types of diagrams the student will need to draw. It looks like it will all be basic line and pie charts. If that is the case, I'm thinking Excel may be a good way to go. Still investigating so I appreciate your feedback. Have a great rest of your day. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: Gabbert, Darren Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]RE: methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Robert, I am using TactileView to draw diagrams for producing tactile graphs for a student with a visual impairment. TactileView is a very robust program and ALL drawing tools are keyboard accessible. As you know, I am a single switch user. I can draw most anything with TactileView, though, there is a learning curve to doing everything mouse free. Darren [Darren Gabbert's signature 3] Darren Gabbert Sr. Business Operations Associate Adaptive Computing Technology Center University of Missouri Division of IT N-17 Memorial Union Columbia, MO 65211 Phone: (573) 673-5629 Fax: (314) 594-9909 Darren@Missouri.edu [Division of IT Logo] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Hello all, Does anybody have a good recommendation for software that can be used to draw diagrams for an econ class? I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. Thanks for any ideas. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1769 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2444 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Sep 2 09:29:30 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Sep 2 09:29:52 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Eric, Thank you for these suggestions. They are definitely going on my list of options. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. You might look at draw.io or diagrams.net. Draw is web based, Diagrams is desktop software, and draw works on Android and iOS if you go with a tablet like Dawn suggested. It looks like most of the functions have keyboard shortcuts. On Android when I turn on VoiceAccess all the options have number labels, so pairing it with Dragon might be an option, but not sure how well that would work. Thanks, Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | atext@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 Pronouns: He / Him / His This communication may contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams Hi Robert, We've had students who can't hold a pencil for math equations/exams use an iPad app and their finger for writing/drawing. Might that be an option? 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Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 9:18 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams External Email Dawn, Maybe. Can you give me the name of the app you use? This student has CP, but I haven't worked with him enough to know what the real problem is. I plan to meet with him soon (if I can get him to come in) and do an assessment. His instructor seems to be the one who is concerned. Thanks for the response. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Robert, We've had students who can't hold a pencil for math equations/exams use an iPad app and their finger for writing/drawing. Might that be an option? 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URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Sep 2 10:37:30 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Sep 2 10:38:05 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dawn, Thanks so much for this idea. I am familiar with Notability but have not used it like this. Later! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams Hi Robert, We used Notability (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/notability/id360593530) - it's not free but it works well. I'm sure with the newer iPads, there's something built in (I just haven't explored it since Notability worked). Since we used it for exams, we set up the iPad to go to be tied to a Gmail or iCloud account that our office owns. Then when the student was done, we would send the file via the app to the email address in order to transfer files. There are definitely other ways to do this now - we set this up about 4-5 years ago... Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 9:18 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams External Email Dawn, Maybe. Can you give me the name of the app you use? This student has CP, but I haven't worked with him enough to know what the real problem is. I plan to meet with him soon (if I can get him to come in) and do an assessment. His instructor seems to be the one who is concerned. Thanks for the response. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Robert, We've had students who can't hold a pencil for math equations/exams use an iPad app and their finger for writing/drawing. Might that be an option? 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URL: From hunziker at arizona.edu Wed Sep 2 10:38:47 2020 From: hunziker at arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Wed Sep 2 10:38:55 2020 Subject: [Athen] VoiceThread is Hiring - Chief Accessibility Officer Message-ID: Hi all, Forwarding a message about a new job opportunity with VoiceThread: VoiceThread has decided to hire a Chief Accessibility Officer. This is an exciting move for VoiceThread and a wonderful opportunity. They are experiencing a great deal of growth right now and need the right person to take the lead in this important space. VoiceThread is looking for an accessibility and Universal Design for Learning expert, who also has online teaching experience. To succeed in this role, the individual must demonstrate empathy for teachers who use digital tools and navigate the challenges and opportunities of asynchronous, multimodal learning. VoiceThread estimates that this will be about a 50% role and it is remote. Please take a moment to reflect on your connections and forward this to anyone you think might be a good fit. Interested candidates should send an email to jobs@voicethread.com." Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Sep 2 10:40:02 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Sep 2 10:40:34 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: <5AF43641-085B-498E-BABC-97CC247AC855@osu.edu> References: <5AF43641-085B-498E-BABC-97CC247AC855@osu.edu> Message-ID: From what I?m seeing so far, he is being asked to create from data or to calculate slopes of existing graphs. I haven?t seen a situation where he needs to graph from a conceptual point of view. I haven?t seen samples of everything yet though. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Most of the visual graphics in econ are line graphs. Is the student being asked to produce conceptual examples or to graph from data? [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer ADA Coordinator?s Office, Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 21 East 11th Ave., Columbus, Ohio. 43210 ?Discrimination against the handicapped was perceived by Congress to be most often the product, not of invidious animus, but rather of thoughtlessness and indifference - of benign neglect.? Thurgood Marshall, Alexander v. Choate, 469 U.S. 287 (author?s word choice reflects 1985) On 9/2/20, 11:30 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Robert Beach" on behalf of rbeach@KCKCC.EDU> wrote: Hello all, Does anybody have a good recommendation for software that can be used to draw diagrams for an econ class? I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. Thanks for any ideas. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3620 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Thu Sep 3 09:16:04 2020 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Thu Sep 3 09:16:19 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: References: <5AF43641-085B-498E-BABC-97CC247AC855@osu.edu> Message-ID: Maybe just use Desmos calculator? Even without creating an account student can share a link to a graph that has been created from data or from a formula. https://www.desmos.com/calculator There is also the audio output from the graphs which has helped some of my students get more multimodal understanding of the data. Best regards, Cath Catherine M. Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu (720) 336-1245 [cid:image001.png@01D23FF3.21F590B0] Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/GettingStartedAtHome From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. From what I?m seeing so far, he is being asked to create from data or to calculate slopes of existing graphs. I haven?t seen a situation where he needs to graph from a conceptual point of view. I haven?t seen samples of everything yet though. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Most of the visual graphics in econ are line graphs. Is the student being asked to produce conceptual examples or to graph from data? [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer ADA Coordinator?s Office, Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 21 East 11th Ave., Columbus, Ohio. 43210 ?Discrimination against the handicapped was perceived by Congress to be most often the product, not of invidious animus, but rather of thoughtlessness and indifference - of benign neglect.? Thurgood Marshall, Alexander v. Choate, 469 U.S. 287 (author?s word choice reflects 1985) On 9/2/20, 11:30 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Robert Beach" on behalf of rbeach@KCKCC.EDU> wrote: Hello all, Does anybody have a good recommendation for software that can be used to draw diagrams for an econ class? I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. Thanks for any ideas. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 18481 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 3620 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Sun Sep 6 15:30:52 2020 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sun Sep 6 15:31:02 2020 Subject: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: References: <5AF43641-085B-498E-BABC-97CC247AC855@osu.edu> Message-ID: <0F88C38C-B30A-46CD-BCA3-A50826493C89@techpotential.net> You might be familiar with the FX series of apps for math and science expression from Efofex.com ? FX Equation, FX Draw, etc. They also offer FX Stat for creating statistical graphs and charts: https://efofex.com/fxstat.php Their FX Draw product also includes FX Graph, FX Stat, and FX Equation, all of which integrate well with Microsoft Word. I think this combination of four apps might fit your student?s needs. Also, students with qualifying disabilities can obtain free licenses to FX software through the EmPower Foundation if the request is made by the school: https://efofex.com/empower.php Hope this helps, - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Sep 3, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Stager, Catherine wrote: > > Maybe just use Desmos calculator? Even without creating an account student can share a link to a graph that has been created from data or from a formula. > https://www.desmos.com/calculator > There is also the audio output from the graphs which has helped some of my students get more multimodal understanding of the data. > > Best regards, > Cath > > Catherine M. Stager > Assistive Technology Specialist > Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu > > (720) 336-1245 > > Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology > Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! > https://bit.ly/GettingStartedAtHome > > > > From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:40 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. > From what I?m seeing so far, he is being asked to create from data or to calculate slopes of existing graphs. I haven?t seen a situation where he needs to graph from a conceptual point of view. I haven?t seen samples of everything yet though. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: 913-288-7671 > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:30 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams > > CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu . > Most of the visual graphics in econ are line graphs. Is the student being asked to produce conceptual examples or to graph from data? > > > > L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer > ADA Coordinator?s Office, Office of Institutional Equity > > (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605 (tty) (614) 688-3665 (fax); Http://ada.osu.edu > 21 East 11th Ave., Columbus, Ohio. 43210 > > ?Discrimination against the handicapped was perceived by Congress to be most often the product, not of invidious animus, but rather of thoughtlessness and indifference - of benign neglect.? Thurgood Marshall, Alexander v. Choate, 469 U.S. 287 (author?s word choice reflects 1985) > > > > > On 9/2/20, 11:30 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Robert Beach" on behalf of rbeach@KCKCC.EDU > wrote: > > Hello all, > > Does anybody have a good recommendation for software that can be used to draw diagrams for an econ class? I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: 913-288-7671 > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 8 06:13:47 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 8 06:13:55 2020 Subject: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams In-Reply-To: <0F88C38C-B30A-46CD-BCA3-A50826493C89@techpotential.net> References: <5AF43641-085B-498E-BABC-97CC247AC855@osu.edu> <0F88C38C-B30A-46CD-BCA3-A50826493C89@techpotential.net> Message-ID: Awesome! Thanks for this. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 5:31 PM To: ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams You might be familiar with the FX series of apps for math and science expression from Efofex.com ? FX Equation, FX Draw, etc. They also offer FX Stat for creating statistical graphs and charts: https://efofex.com/fxstat.php Their FX Draw product also includes FX Graph, FX Stat, and FX Equation, all of which integrate well with Microsoft Word. I think this combination of four apps might fit your student?s needs. Also, students with qualifying disabilities can obtain free licenses to FX software through the EmPower Foundation if the request is made by the school: https://efofex.com/empower.php Hope this helps, - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net On Sep 3, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Stager, Catherine > wrote: Maybe just use Desmos calculator? Even without creating an account student can share a link to a graph that has been created from data or from a formula. https://www.desmos.com/calculator There is also the audio output from the graphs which has helped some of my students get more multimodal understanding of the data. Best regards, Cath Catherine M. Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu (720) 336-1245 Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/GettingStartedAtHome From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. From what I?m seeing so far, he is being asked to create from data or to calculate slopes of existing graphs. I haven?t seen a situation where he needs to graph from a conceptual point of view. I haven?t seen samples of everything yet though. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] methods for drawing econ diagrams CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Most of the visual graphics in econ are line graphs. Is the student being asked to produce conceptual examples or to graph from data? L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer ADA Coordinator?s Office, Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 21 East 11th Ave., Columbus, Ohio. 43210 ?Discrimination against the handicapped was perceived by Congress to be most often the product, not of invidious animus, but rather of thoughtlessness and indifference - of benign neglect.? Thurgood Marshall, Alexander v. Choate, 469 U.S. 287 (author?s word choice reflects 1985) On 9/2/20, 11:30 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Robert Beach" on behalf of rbeach@KCKCC.EDU> wrote: Hello all, Does anybody have a good recommendation for software that can be used to draw diagrams for an econ class? I have a student with physical issues that make drawing difficult to impossible. He can use a computer keyboard okay, but trying to draw is not an option. Thanks for any ideas. 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I know they are epubs with DRM, but I don't know if they support printing. Best regards, Cath Catherine M. Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu (720) 336-1245 [cid:image001.png@01D23FF3.21F590B0] Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/GettingStartedAtHome From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 2:25 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Google play question CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Hi all, I have a student that downloaded a Google play ebook and wants to know if it can be used with Kurzweil or converted into a format that Kurzweil will recognize. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 18481 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From blockm3 at wpunj.edu Fri Sep 11 06:54:56 2020 From: blockm3 at wpunj.edu (Block, Maria) Date: Fri Sep 11 06:55:30 2020 Subject: [Athen] Google play question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When you are in the "my books" section of Google Play there should be a list of the students books - next to or just under each book is three dots - click on those dots and an option should pop up to download as a pdf. Hope this makes sense going from memory Maria Block Accessibility Specialist Accessibility Resource Center William Paterson University Speert Hall 134 300 Pompton Road Wayne, NJ 07470 [cid:image004.png@01D0737D.28122B50] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:25 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Google play question Hi all, I have a student that downloaded a Google play ebook and wants to know if it can be used with Kurzweil or converted into a format that Kurzweil will recognize. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope this makes sense going from memory Maria Block Accessibility Specialist Accessibility Resource Center William Paterson University Speert Hall 134 300 Pompton Road Wayne, NJ 07470 [cid:image001.png@01D68825.75711100] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:25 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Google play question Hi all, I have a student that downloaded a Google play ebook and wants to know if it can be used with Kurzweil or converted into a format that Kurzweil will recognize. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He just finished high school, so summer, when much of our staff was on leave was his very first college experience. I've been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. I'm trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology specialist instead of me, but I'd like to have some accommodation ideas for all of us. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Sep 11 08:08:19 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:08:37 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Potentially MathType. It can be done with point and click. I'm not sure if it will work with any kind of switch system. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 10:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT][Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. I wanted to have some feedback for this brand-new student's counselor. I don't choose accommodations myself but I help out. Student has no mental, learning or visual disabilities. But he's severely physically limited and cannot handwrite. I'm fairly sure he's nonverbal as well, so Dragon isn't an option. We continue to shelter in place so he'll have to learn remotely. He passed three courses in summer that required reading and answering multiple-choice quizzes because he has a computer with appropriate accommodations. (I'm not sure what he uses, but apparently it works fine for him to read and check boxes online.) He just finished high school, so summer, when much of our staff was on leave was his very first college experience. I've been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. I'm trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology specialist instead of me, but I'd like to have some accommodation ideas for all of us. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wils1627 at umn.edu Fri Sep 11 08:17:48 2020 From: wils1627 at umn.edu (Jay Wilson) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:18:25 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Debee, Equatio from Texthelp may be an option - it has multiple ways to enter information including speaking (including AAC), typing with prediction, as well as handwriting which isn't useful here but good to know. It's user friendly, can interface with Word, Google Docs or course management software, and is designed for Chemistry and other symbolic text as well as Math. I'd also recommend connecting with the DO-IT Center at the University of Washington, which offers lots of expertise and connections for students with all kinds of disabilities in STEM learning. *Jay Wilson, **M.S.W.* Senior Access Consultant *Disability Resource Center - Student Access * *UMN *- Twin Cities Pronouns : Prefer my name (he/him/his also OK) Check out the DRC Facebook page for updates, news, culture, and community. Registered students may schedule on my online calendar . If you don't see a time that works for you, please let me know when you are available. Please note: All DRC staff are working remotely until further notice. The best way to reach us is by email. All appointments and meetings are held remotely by phone or video conference (Zoom or Google Hangout). DRC Spring Remote Drop-in Hours: Monday - Friday: 11 AM - 12 PM and 1 PM - 3 PM To use drop-in, please email us at drc@umn.edu. To reach us by phone, please call 612-626-1333 and leave a voicemail. Someone will return your call or respond by email as soon as possible. For additional information about working remotely see these resources for faculty and students . *This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender.* On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 10:10 AM Robert Beach wrote: > Potentially MathType. It can be done with point and click. I?m not sure if > it will work with any kind of switch system. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 > > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 10:04 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT][Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who > cannot handwrite > > > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > I wanted to have some feedback for this brand-new student?s counselor. I > don?t choose accommodations myself but I help out. > > > > Student has no mental, learning or visual disabilities. But he?s severely > physically limited and cannot handwrite. I?m fairly sure he?s nonverbal as > well, so Dragon isn?t an option. > > > > We continue to shelter in place so he?ll have to learn remotely. > > > > He passed three courses in summer that required reading and answering > multiple-choice quizzes because he has a computer with appropriate > accommodations. (I?m not sure what he uses, but apparently it works fine > for him to read and check boxes online.) He just finished high school, so > summer, when much of our staff was on leave was his very first college > experience. > > > > I?ve been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because > it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. > > > > I?m trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology > specialist instead of me, but I?d like to have some accommodation ideas for > all of us. > > > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Janet.Fukuda at phoenix.edu Fri Sep 11 08:27:44 2020 From: Janet.Fukuda at phoenix.edu (Janet Fukuda) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:28:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are so many unknowns here: * What assistive technology did the student use in high school to complete math requirements * Has the student tried switch scanning or touch apps like Panther Math paper * Is the student connected with Voc Rehab to receive assistive technology training (He may not have been adequately trained to meet competencies in AT while in high school. I say that as a former State AT Specialist) * What is the student's preferred input method and device (tablet, desktop, laptop) Definitely sounds like the student needs to speak with the access technology specialist to fill in the gaps. Janet From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite CAUTION: External Email I wanted to have some feedback for this brand-new student's counselor. I don't choose accommodations myself but I help out. Student has no mental, learning or visual disabilities. But he's severely physically limited and cannot handwrite. I'm fairly sure he's nonverbal as well, so Dragon isn't an option. We continue to shelter in place so he'll have to learn remotely. He passed three courses in summer that required reading and answering multiple-choice quizzes because he has a computer with appropriate accommodations. (I'm not sure what he uses, but apparently it works fine for him to read and check boxes online.) He just finished high school, so summer, when much of our staff was on leave was his very first college experience. I've been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. I'm trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology specialist instead of me, but I'd like to have some accommodation ideas for all of us. --Debee "This message is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erik.ferguson at pcc.edu Fri Sep 11 08:55:15 2020 From: erik.ferguson at pcc.edu (Erik Ferguson) Date: Fri Sep 11 08:55:55 2020 Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There was a reference to Panther Math paper in this thread. It was the darling of the AT community a few years back but when I tried to use it last year we found that it would install but not run on a newer iPad and the student was out 20$. Can anyone verify the current status of this app? Thank you! On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:29 AM Janet Fukuda wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are so many unknowns here: > > > > > > - What assistive technology did the student use in high school to > complete math requirements > - Has the student tried switch scanning or touch apps like Panther > Math paper > - Is the student connected with Voc Rehab to receive assistive > technology training (He may not have been adequately trained to meet > competencies in AT while in high school. I say that > > as a former State AT Specialist) > - What is the student?s preferred input method and device (tablet, > desktop, laptop) > > > > Definitely sounds like the student needs to speak with the access > technology specialist to fill in the gaps. > > > > > > > > > *Janet* > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list > > *On Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 8:04 AM > > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > > > *Subject:* [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot > handwrite > > > > > > > > > > > > *CAUTION*: External Email > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to have some feedback for this brand-new student?s counselor. I > don?t choose accommodations myself but I help out. > > > > > > Student has no mental, learning or visual disabilities. But he?s severely > physically limited and cannot handwrite. I?m fairly sure he?s nonverbal as > well, so Dragon isn?t an option. > > > > > > > We continue to shelter in place so he?ll have to learn remotely. > > > > > > He passed three courses in summer that required reading and answering > multiple-choice quizzes because he has a computer with appropriate > accommodations. (I?m not sure what he uses, but apparently it works fine > for him to read and check > > boxes online.) He just finished high school, so summer, when much of our > staff was on leave was his very first college experience. > > > > > > I?ve been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because > it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. > > > > > > I?m trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology > specialist instead of me, but I?d like to have some accommodation ideas for > all of us. > > > > > > --Debee > > > > > > > > > > ?This message is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and may > contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. 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Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite I wanted to have some feedback for this brand-new student's counselor. I don't choose accommodations myself but I help out. Student has no mental, learning or visual disabilities. But he's severely physically limited and cannot handwrite. I'm fairly sure he's nonverbal as well, so Dragon isn't an option. We continue to shelter in place so he'll have to learn remotely. He passed three courses in summer that required reading and answering multiple-choice quizzes because he has a computer with appropriate accommodations. (I'm not sure what he uses, but apparently it works fine for him to read and check boxes online.) He just finished high school, so summer, when much of our staff was on leave was his very first college experience. I've been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. I'm trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology specialist instead of me, but I'd like to have some accommodation ideas for all of us. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Robin.Eckelberry at ppcc.edu Fri Sep 11 09:26:58 2020 From: Robin.Eckelberry at ppcc.edu (Eckelberry, Robin) Date: Fri Sep 11 09:27:23 2020 Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite In-Reply-To: <205eadb585984fd98fef55b33f041cf0@syr.edu> References: <205eadb585984fd98fef55b33f041cf0@syr.edu> Message-ID: For geometry, if the student has good head/neck control, a possibility could be a head tracker mouse for drawing onto a graph. A couple students have made careers in drafting/engineering and graphing design using this kind of tech. Or possibly switch access with something like Desmos graphing. I would be interested in why handwriting was required for math. Was it to show work and the steps involved in getting the right answer? An accommodation of digital completion of all work seems appropriate. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kate Deibel Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 10:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. I highly recommend learning what tech he currently uses. If he is non-verbal, he's likely using some form of AAC (alternative or augmentative communication device). It might be possible to load up math symbols into that so that he can choose among them to build up equations. Also, do you know what math classes in particular? I could see geometry being particularly cumbersome given that a lot of it does involve sketching out figures and shapes. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite I wanted to have some feedback for this brand-new student's counselor. I don't choose accommodations myself but I help out. Student has no mental, learning or visual disabilities. But he's severely physically limited and cannot handwrite. I'm fairly sure he's nonverbal as well, so Dragon isn't an option. We continue to shelter in place so he'll have to learn remotely. He passed three courses in summer that required reading and answering multiple-choice quizzes because he has a computer with appropriate accommodations. (I'm not sure what he uses, but apparently it works fine for him to read and check boxes online.) He just finished high school, so summer, when much of our staff was on leave was his very first college experience. I've been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. I'm trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology specialist instead of me, but I'd like to have some accommodation ideas for all of us. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerscher at montana.com Fri Sep 11 10:07:13 2020 From: kerscher at montana.com (kerscher@montana.com) Date: Fri Sep 11 10:07:39 2020 Subject: [Athen] DAISY Publishes White Paper on the Benefits of EPUB 3 Message-ID: <011301d6885d$ff09b290$fd1d17b0$@montana.com> Dear Ahead, Athens, and DSSHE-L, Sorry for the cross posting. 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URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Fri Sep 11 13:28:34 2020 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Fri Sep 11 13:29:07 2020 Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite In-Reply-To: References: <205eadb585984fd98fef55b33f041cf0@syr.edu> Message-ID: I echo the recommendations put forward so far and want to also mention Mathshare, which allows students to do step-wise demonstrations of their problem solving in Math. https://mathshare.benetech.org/#/ Best regards, Cath Catherine M. Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu (720) 336-1245 [cid:image001.png@01D23FF3.21F590B0] Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/GettingStartedAtHome From: athen-list On Behalf Of Eckelberry, Robin Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 10:27 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite For geometry, if the student has good head/neck control, a possibility could be a head tracker mouse for drawing onto a graph. A couple students have made careers in drafting/engineering and graphing design using this kind of tech. Or possibly switch access with something like Desmos graphing. I would be interested in why handwriting was required for math. Was it to show work and the steps involved in getting the right answer? An accommodation of digital completion of all work seems appropriate. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kate Deibel Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 10:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. I highly recommend learning what tech he currently uses. If he is non-verbal, he's likely using some form of AAC (alternative or augmentative communication device). It might be possible to load up math symbols into that so that he can choose among them to build up equations. Also, do you know what math classes in particular? I could see geometry being particularly cumbersome given that a lot of it does involve sketching out figures and shapes. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Seeking math accommodations for a student who cannot handwrite I wanted to have some feedback for this brand-new student's counselor. I don't choose accommodations myself but I help out. Student has no mental, learning or visual disabilities. But he's severely physically limited and cannot handwrite. I'm fairly sure he's nonverbal as well, so Dragon isn't an option. We continue to shelter in place so he'll have to learn remotely. He passed three courses in summer that required reading and answering multiple-choice quizzes because he has a computer with appropriate accommodations. (I'm not sure what he uses, but apparently it works fine for him to read and check boxes online.) He just finished high school, so summer, when much of our staff was on leave was his very first college experience. I've been corresponding with his upset mom who says he failed math because it required him to be able to write by hand, which he cannot do. I'm trying to get them to talk to his counselor and our access technology specialist instead of me, but I'd like to have some accommodation ideas for all of us. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That proctoring tool uses live proctors and the professor is able to submit notes about accommodations which students are permitted to use. What was told to our e-learning people by the vendor is that when professors specify that students will be using certain software packages as accommodations they are able to lift the restrictions for applications during the exam for the student specified. Wwhen professors are setting up an exam using honor lock they create notes for the proctor for exceptions that they will see for specific students like being able to leave their desk to use the restroom or other things That would eviate From the rules for taking thefrom the rules for taking the exam. they?re monitoring software triggers a live proctor to look in on suspicious activity. Students are also able to hit the call button for the proctor for assistance. They claim that you are supposed to be able to use the software packages that you listed but as most things I hear from vendors I will believe it when I see it. I?m hoping to be able to get my hands on it soon to do some testing. Unlike respondus there is no option to blanket white list programs. Although from my experience that doesn?t really even work well in respondus anyway. Jeff Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. > On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Justin Romack wrote: > > ? > I read through some notes from earlier this year where several ATHENites shared their experience with various proctoring tools. > > Our institution is rolling out Honorlock and has questions about use with assistive technology. > > I see that screen reader and keyboard-only users may experience barriers ? > > Do we know if technologies like Read&Write or Dragon will work well inside an exam proctored by Honorlock? > > Also: Because the system uses AI to rule out false positives, will these technologies cause issues if being used and picked up in the testing environment? > > Any feedback would be wonderful. > > Thanks all! > > J > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resources | Texas A&M University > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. 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Please let us know what university you attend, what class or course the program is used for, the specific task the technology is used to perform, when you took the class that used the software, if you reported the problem to Pearson directly and how they responded, if you reported this issue to the college's disability services office and how they responded, and a detailed summary of your experience. Contact Claire by email cstanley@acb.org, or by phone 202 467-5081. We are eager to learn about the prevalence of this issue and to see if we can remedy the issues. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lydia at autistichoya.com Thu Sep 10 08:16:51 2020 From: lydia at autistichoya.com (Lydia X. Z. Brown) Date: Mon Sep 14 07:22:12 2020 Subject: [Athen] Join me at TASH Outstanding Leadership in Disability Law Symposium? Oct. 7th / $20 registration for disabled people Message-ID: Hi friends, I hope you're doing OK or at least as OK as possible right now. I'm writing because I am the symposium committee co-chair of this year's TASH Outstanding Leadership in Disability Law Virtual Symposium & Award Celebration and I hope you will consider joining me. We are hosting an online half-day legal symposium (you don't have to be a lawyer or law student to come) before presenting this year's award to *Judy Gran*. The symposium and award celebration feature a lineup of incredible speakers on institutionalization and self-advocacy (which I also worked hard to ensure would center disabled people of color!), including these fabulous folks: - *Subini Annamma*, one of the most accomplished and innovative scholar-activists focused on critical disability studies and critical race theory; author of *The Pedagogy of Pathologization: Dis/abled Girls of Color in the School-prison Nexus*; Associate Professor at Stanford University - *Dustin P. Gibson*, co-founder of the Harriet Tubman Collective of Black disabled advocates, organizers, cultural workers, thinkers, writers, and activists; co-founder of Disability Advocates for Rights and Transition, an organization led by disabled people that works to end the institutionalization of disabled people and support them in navigating systems to live in their communities with the dignity of risk; Access, Disability and Language Justice Coordinator at PeoplesHub - *Bernard J. Carabello*, one of the foremost leaders among Willowbrook's survivors and pioneers of the self-advocacy movement - *Cal Montgomery*, one of the leading thinkers and writers on neurodiversity and self-advocacy for the last several decades, author of "Critic of the Dawn" - *Mathew McCullough*, Director of the DC Office of Disability Rights; formerly Executive Director of the DC Developmental Disabilities Council - *Claudia L. 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For those who are lawyers, we've been *approved for CLE credit* (yay!!!) through American University Washington College of Law (where we hoped to be had it been safe to meet in person without COVID-ing each other). CLE credit is good as follows: - Total 60-minute hours: 3.0 - Total 50-minute hours: 3.5 MCLE StateGeneral CLEAccreditation Status California 3.0 Pending Connecticut 3.0 Approved Delaware 3.0 Approved Georgia 3.0 Approved Illinois 3.0 Approved Indiana 3.0 Approved Montana 3.0 Pending New Jersey 3.6 Pending New Mexico 3.0 Approved New York 3.5 Pending North Carolina 3.0 Pending Ohio 3.0 Pending Oklahoma 3.5 Approved Pennsylvania 3.0 Approved South Carolina 3.0 Approved Tennessee 3.0 Approved Texas 3.0 Approved Virginia 3.0 Pending West Virginia 3.6 Approved I hope to see you (virtually, please don't come find me in person) on October 7!! I've been involved with TASH as a chapter leader and volunteer for the past eight years, and I'm so excited to be a major part of planning this year's Outstanding Leadership in Disability Law Symposium & Award Celebration. Please come if you can, and let me know if I'll see you there. Thank you so much, Lydia ________________ *Lydia X. Z. Brown * Pronouns: they/them/theirs/themself or no pronouns Phone: +1 (202) 618-0187 Homepage: www.lydiaxzbrown.com Portfolio: www.autistichoya.net Founder & Director, Fund for Community Reparations for Autistic People of Color's Interdependence, Survival, & Empowerment Adjunct Lecturer in Disability Studies, Georgetown University Department of English Member, American Bar Association, Commission on Disability Rights & Disability Rights Committee Co-Chair, American Bar Association, Section on Civil Rights & Social Justice ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.? ? Arundhati Roy ?Life is short and the world is at least half terrible, and for every kind stranger, there is one who would break you, though I keep this from my children. I am trying to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, walking you through a real shithole, chirps on about good bones: This place could be beautiful, right? You could make this place beautiful.? ? Maggie Smith *Having a hard time*? Try bit.ly/selfcarehelp for a text-accessible, interactive self-care/executive functioning tool. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Mon Sep 14 10:38:37 2020 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Mon Sep 14 10:39:19 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova Message-ID: We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? 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URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Mon Sep 14 13:25:24 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Mon Sep 14 13:27:06 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello: this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am sure some one here will try it to smile lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer wrote: > We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone > have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally > from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some > additional input. > > -- > Regards, > Howard > > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event > * from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration > will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive > announcements > . > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of Spring 2020 webinars > . Site > capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Mon Sep 14 13:58:52 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Mon Sep 14 14:00:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: [WebAIM] Inclusive Design 24 on 17 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry about the short notice, but time seems to be getting away from me this year. It's time again for ID 24, which is one of the best places to find great accessibility content. And this year, Iam speaking. Below are all the details about this year's event, starting just 48 hours from now. Please log in and enjoy all this excellent free content! Lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: L?onie Watson Date: Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 1:41 PM Subject: [WebAIM] Inclusive Design 24 on 17 September To: Everyone, Inclusive Design 24 (#id24) is a free 24-hour online event for the global community, and you're welcome to join us. #id24 celebrates inclusive design and shares knowledge and ideas from analogue to digital, from design to development, from planners to practitioners, and everything and everyone in between. The 24 hour schedule (with automatic local time conversion) is here: https://inclusivedesign24.org/2020/schedule/ #id24 2020 is made possible with help from Barclays Access, Adobe, Intopia, TetraLogical, Infoaxia, Intuit, WebAble, Deque Systems, and Adrian Roselli LLC. The YouTube playlist is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS2Y9lb66xA&list=PLn7dsvRdQEfGkK9xxk54XdKTLk7zf_Qwp Plus an ical feed you can import into your calendar application: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/c_bh1sh5ghbmf843c733gfooqhmk%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics You can follow @id24conf on Twitter or use the #id24 hashtag to join in the discussions as the event takes place. You'll also find us on LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/id24conf/ If you'd like some vintage #id24, you'll find previous talks from 2014 onwards here: https://youtube.com/inclusivedesign24/ Last, but by no means least, there is a timer counting down until showtime: https://inclusivedesign24.org/ We hope you'll be there on the day, and please tell your friends and colleagues if you think they'd be interested. L?onie on behalf of the #id24 team: https://inclusivedesign24.org/2020/team/ -- Director @TetraLogical https://tetralogical.com _______________________________________________ To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ List archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes with the conference, Stephanie Lazarus Accessibility Manager; ADA/Sec. 504 Coordinator UMBC 1000 Hilltop Circle Math/Psych 218 Baltimore, MD 21250 410-455-5745 > On Sep 14, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > ? > We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some additional input. > > -- > Regards, > Howard > > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive announcements. > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From webs0078 at umn.edu Tue Sep 15 03:56:23 2020 From: webs0078 at umn.edu (Amanda Ryan) Date: Tue Sep 15 03:56:36 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF Message-ID: Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu University of Minnesota | umn.edu webs0078@umn.edu | 612-626-0246 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 15 05:55:50 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 15 05:56:05 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If your electronic version is accessible, you "should" be able to generate an accessible PDF version from that. What format is your current accessible electronic version? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu University of Minnesota | umn.edu webs0078@umn.edu | 612-626-0246 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Tue Sep 15 06:42:25 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Tue Sep 15 06:42:44 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should be able to easily create an accessible PDF from what you are making, if it is a Word file. Same for an HTML file. This is really just a few clicks, and done. PDFs are not "going away" and I don't believe they ever will. People still want PDFs, and PDFs can be accessible if they were created properly. *Please note: I am currently working remotely, so can be reached by email.* Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu University of Minnesota | umn.edu webs0078@umn.edu | 612-626-0246 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From glen.walker at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 07:13:48 2020 From: glen.walker at gmail.com (glen walker) Date: Tue Sep 15 07:14:31 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As others have mentioned, a PDF can be generated but keep in mind GIGO - garbage in, garbage out. If the source of your PDF is not semantically marked up, your PDF will not be semantically marked up. So if you have a word doc, make sure you use the heading styles for all your headings, use real bulleted or numbered lists, mark the first row of your tables as the heading, give your document a title (via File > Info), give all images an alternative text (or mark as decorative), etc. You can also use the accessibility checker in word (via File > Info > Check for Issues > Check Accessibility). See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/create-accessible-pdfs-064625e0-56ea-4e16-ad71-3aa33bb4b7ed If your source is HTML, do the same as a word doc, using headings (

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      ), tables (, ), title (), image alt text (<img alt="description">), etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200915/526d6b6b/attachment.html> From webs0078 at umn.edu Tue Sep 15 07:58:30 2020 From: webs0078 at umn.edu (Amanda Ryan) Date: Tue Sep 15 07:59:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF In-Reply-To: <SA0PR11MB4560F94C9166D37930C8DA64DC200@SA0PR11MB4560.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <EEC17A4C-AA56-4CA8-90FE-10B7C9FE4DFD@umn.edu> <SA0PR11MB4560F94C9166D37930C8DA64DC200@SA0PR11MB4560.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <B8EEE3B8-61BB-49ED-B8C1-26A00C58F8EF@umn.edu> Our accessible, digital versions are done in HTML5. Everything is semantically marked up, bullets are true bullets, lists are true lists, etc. I can easily pull that HTML into an accessible PDF, but the issue I?m encountering is they want the PDF to be a beautiful, print layout that looks exactly like something that would come from the printer. Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu <http://govrelations.umn.edu/> University of Minnesota | umn.edu <http://umn.edu/> webs0078@umn.edu <mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-301-3443 > On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Robert Beach <rbeach@KCKCC.EDU> wrote: > > If your electronic version is accessible, you ?should? be able to generate an accessible PDF version from that. What format is your current accessible electronic version? > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: 913-288-7671 > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu <mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> > > > From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:56 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> > Subject: [EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF > > CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu <mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. > Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. > > We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. > > How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? > > > Amanda Ryan > Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgovrelations.umn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cece937dee4674d096ef508d859662e84%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637357642703478805&sdata=ivSLXeM0ANEMd%2Fq2dPXRyrNIcWPZtmUL2oABmCgjecc%3D&reserved=0> > University of Minnesota | umn.edu <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fumn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cece937dee4674d096ef508d859662e84%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637357642703478805&sdata=cDPXakLUONNLuLKEjkibl1JBmo9ZRgI6FxdBTQ3PlYU%3D&reserved=0> > webs0078@umn.edu <mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-626-0246 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200915/5b67d7e1/attachment.html> From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Tue Sep 15 08:55:34 2020 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Tue Sep 15 08:55:45 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF In-Reply-To: <B8EEE3B8-61BB-49ED-B8C1-26A00C58F8EF@umn.edu> References: <EEC17A4C-AA56-4CA8-90FE-10B7C9FE4DFD@umn.edu> <SA0PR11MB4560F94C9166D37930C8DA64DC200@SA0PR11MB4560.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <B8EEE3B8-61BB-49ED-B8C1-26A00C58F8EF@umn.edu> Message-ID: <E53B2B0963061644BB872D7E2E8BBDB046B8C32F@CCCSONA73.cccs.ccofc.edu> Can you just create a default CSS Print style for Media=print so that would generates the look and feel you find is desired in the PDF? I wonder if your users are actually going to print or if it is a matter of having an encapsulated version of the info? From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Our accessible, digital versions are done in HTML5. Everything is semantically marked up, bullets are true bullets, lists are true lists, etc. I can easily pull that HTML into an accessible PDF, but the issue I?m encountering is they want the PDF to be a beautiful, print layout that looks exactly like something that would come from the printer. Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu<http://govrelations.umn.edu/> University of Minnesota | umn.edu<http://umn.edu/> webs0078@umn.edu<mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-301-3443 On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Robert Beach <rbeach@KCKCC.EDU<mailto:rbeach@KCKCC.EDU>> wrote: If your electronic version is accessible, you ?should? be able to generate an accessible PDF version from that. What format is your current accessible electronic version? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgovrelations.umn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cece937dee4674d096ef508d859662e84%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637357642703478805&sdata=ivSLXeM0ANEMd%2Fq2dPXRyrNIcWPZtmUL2oABmCgjecc%3D&reserved=0> University of Minnesota | umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fumn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cece937dee4674d096ef508d859662e84%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637357642703478805&sdata=cDPXakLUONNLuLKEjkibl1JBmo9ZRgI6FxdBTQ3PlYU%3D&reserved=0> webs0078@umn.edu<mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-626-0246 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Creating two versions requires additional time and, depending on who has control over the content, we run the risk of having the accessible version end up not being kept up to date with the evolving content of the other version. If you have control of both, that may not be an issue. PDFs that are visually aesthetic and fully accessible does not seem like a bad request to me. Melanie MELANIE THORNTON, MA, CPACC Pronouns: She/Her/Hers Coordinator of Access and Equity Outreach Partners for Inclusive Communities University of Arkansas V/T: 501.291.3217<tel:5012913217> Partners for Inclusive Communities<https://uofapartners.uark.edu/> (Partners) is a program of the University of Arkansas College of Education and Health Professions and is Arkansas' University Center on Disabilities, a member of the nationwide Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD). On September 15, 2020 at 11:01:11 AM, Stager, Catherine (catherine.stager@frontrange.edu<mailto:catherine.stager@frontrange.edu>) wrote: Can you just create a default CSS Print style for Media=print so that would generates the look and feel you find is desired in the PDF? I wonder if your users are actually going to print or if it is a matter of having an encapsulated version of the info? From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Our accessible, digital versions are done in HTML5. Everything is semantically marked up, bullets are true bullets, lists are true lists, etc. I can easily pull that HTML into an accessible PDF, but the issue I?m encountering is they want the PDF to be a beautiful, print layout that looks exactly like something that would come from the printer. Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgovrelations.umn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmthornt%40uark.edu%7C1b35a17180904c3978f508d859908fd8%7C79c742c4e61c4fa5be89a3cb566a80d1%7C0%7C0%7C637357824709783135&sdata=Yh2OkDFBO4%2F5E3K0EgrWYGritJsKfd7YsG%2FuORWMS3U%3D&reserved=0> University of Minnesota | umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fumn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmthornt%40uark.edu%7C1b35a17180904c3978f508d859908fd8%7C79c742c4e61c4fa5be89a3cb566a80d1%7C0%7C0%7C637357824709793130&sdata=iOh%2BipRm4ZAiGj%2F2JCFAIfY2iGmuBHRfhq26%2Bw94tjw%3D&reserved=0> webs0078@umn.edu<mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-301-3443 On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Robert Beach <rbeach@KCKCC.EDU<mailto:rbeach@KCKCC.EDU>> wrote: If your electronic version is accessible, you ?should? be able to generate an accessible PDF version from that. What format is your current accessible electronic version? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? 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ATHEN Annual Membership Dues Due to the unusual circumstances faced by many of us during this year, the ATHEN Executive Committee put forward a motion to have an automatic renewal of current memberships at no cost to members. We requested a vote from membership regarding the ATHEN Membership dues for 2021 and with a unanimous "yes" vote, current ATHEN members are automatically renewed, at no cost, for the 2021 membership year. * If you would like to verify your membership status, please contact Shannon at membership@athenpro.org. ATHEN Annual Meeting 2020 is virtual! If you haven't heard, Accessing Higher Ground <https://accessinghigherground.org/> is going virtual this year. Thus, the annual ATHEN Membership meeting will be virtual as well and everyone is welcome to attend. We will be meeting during the scheduled lunch break on Wednesday, November 18th. Please hold your calendars: ATHEN Annual Membership Meeting: When: Nov 18, 2020 12:00 PM Mountain Time (US and Canada) Register in advance for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0vc-Grpz4rGdxGZms6LieQN6SvdrOcyQQv After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting. Real-Time Captioning will be provided. If you would like to request any additional disability-related accommodations, please contact me at athenpresident@gmail.com AHG Discount Code If you are a current member of ATHEN, you will soon be receiving your AHG 2020 discount code which gives you 20% off of the registration cost. Watch your emails for this information! If you have any questions about the information provided above, please don't hesitate to reach out. We look forward to seeing you at the ATHEN Membership meeting on November 18th! Dawn Hunziker ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200916/5bb83e9e/attachment.html> From sherylb at uw.edu Wed Sep 16 11:14:56 2020 From: sherylb at uw.edu (Sheryl Burgstahler) Date: Wed Sep 16 11:16:42 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF In-Reply-To: <E53B2B0963061644BB872D7E2E8BBDB046B8C32F@CCCSONA73.cccs.ccofc.edu> References: <EEC17A4C-AA56-4CA8-90FE-10B7C9FE4DFD@umn.edu> <SA0PR11MB4560F94C9166D37930C8DA64DC200@SA0PR11MB4560.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <B8EEE3B8-61BB-49ED-B8C1-26A00C58F8EF@umn.edu> <E53B2B0963061644BB872D7E2E8BBDB046B8C32F@CCCSONA73.cccs.ccofc.edu> Message-ID: <70F31539-AED7-4F79-9500-4303DE85345E@uw.edu> At the DO-IT Center we offer our publications in HTML, but give individuals access to a PDF as an alternative (often because they want to print the document for reasons that include printing it out as a handout at a conference or as a product to distribute to/through campus units). Both versions are designed to be accessible and the HTML version is where you land if you search for a publication; PDF is offered through a link from that page. Example of one of publication pages where we employ this practice: https://www.washington.edu/doit/programs/center-universal-design-education/resources-and-training Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@uw.edu On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Stager, Catherine <Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu<mailto:Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu>> wrote: Can you just create a default CSS Print style for Media=print so that would generates the look and feel you find is desired in the PDF? I wonder if your users are actually going to print or if it is a matter of having an encapsulated version of the info? From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Our accessible, digital versions are done in HTML5. Everything is semantically marked up, bullets are true bullets, lists are true lists, etc. I can easily pull that HTML into an accessible PDF, but the issue I?m encountering is they want the PDF to be a beautiful, print layout that looks exactly like something that would come from the printer. Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu<http://govrelations.umn.edu/> University of Minnesota | umn.edu<http://umn.edu/> webs0078@umn.edu<mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-301-3443 On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Robert Beach <rbeach@KCKCC.EDU<mailto:rbeach@KCKCC.EDU>> wrote: If your electronic version is accessible, you ?should? be able to generate an accessible PDF version from that. What format is your current accessible electronic version? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgovrelations.umn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cece937dee4674d096ef508d859662e84%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637357642703478805&sdata=ivSLXeM0ANEMd%2Fq2dPXRyrNIcWPZtmUL2oABmCgjecc%3D&reserved=0> University of Minnesota | umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fumn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cece937dee4674d096ef508d859662e84%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637357642703478805&sdata=cDPXakLUONNLuLKEjkibl1JBmo9ZRgI6FxdBTQ3PlYU%3D&reserved=0> webs0078@umn.edu<mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-626-0246 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200916/a3da21b4/attachment.html> From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 11:39:51 2020 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Wed Sep 16 11:41:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] outsourcing your document conversions Message-ID: <CANtDBU94VsGdM=Ke44Mjc3Oi6_hXE_rV_x3AA1=Me4kCvXTAAw@mail.gmail.com> Hello one and all, I'd like to chat with anyone who is currently outsourcing document conversion (as in textbook conversion). We utilize as many sources to obtain accessible or near accessible files, but are in the process of looking at a variety of options when files are obtained (or a book has to be scanned) and remediation is needed. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to answer via listserv or to my email: hascher@uark.edu. THANKS! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director - AT *she, her, hers* Center for Educational Access at the University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 phone 479.575.7445 fax +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200916/63fde752/attachment.html> From fpost at swccd.edu Wed Sep 16 12:29:31 2020 From: fpost at swccd.edu (Frank Post) Date: Wed Sep 16 12:28:41 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alt media for college events for the community Message-ID: <61aa67476363400d980dffdf3621ea9d@swccd.edu> Hi everyone, Who does this at your college? For example who do community members contact at your college for a request? Also who actually produces the requested materials in an alternate format? Public Information: All public information and college event materials will include a statement on accessibility and provide contact information for accommodation requests. Thanks! Frank Post Faculty, Adapted Computer Technology Specialist Southwestern College (619) 421-6700 extension 5275 From mthornt at uark.edu Wed Sep 16 13:26:44 2020 From: mthornt at uark.edu (Melanie P. Thornton) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:27:05 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF In-Reply-To: <70F31539-AED7-4F79-9500-4303DE85345E@uw.edu> References: <EEC17A4C-AA56-4CA8-90FE-10B7C9FE4DFD@umn.edu> <SA0PR11MB4560F94C9166D37930C8DA64DC200@SA0PR11MB4560.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <B8EEE3B8-61BB-49ED-B8C1-26A00C58F8EF@umn.edu> <E53B2B0963061644BB872D7E2E8BBDB046B8C32F@CCCSONA73.cccs.ccofc.edu> <70F31539-AED7-4F79-9500-4303DE85345E@uw.edu> Message-ID: <etPan.5f627504.554faf2a.9d36@uark.edu> Thank you, Sheryl. This is a great approach! I didn?t mean to come across as saying having both is not a good idea! I think it is great as long as when one is updated, both are, which I know DO-IT always does. :) Melanie MELANIE THORNTON, MA, CPACC Pronouns: She/Her/Hers Coordinator of Access and Equity Outreach Partners for Inclusive Communities University of Arkansas V/T: 501.291.3217<tel:5012913217> Partners for Inclusive Communities<https://uofapartners.uark.edu/> (Partners) is a program of the University of Arkansas College of Education and Health Professions and is Arkansas' University Center on Disabilities, a member of the nationwide Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD). On September 16, 2020 at 1:19:35 PM, Sheryl Burgstahler (sherylb@uw.edu<mailto:sherylb@uw.edu>) wrote: At the DO-IT Center we offer our publications in HTML, but give individuals access to a PDF as an alternative (often because they want to print the document for reasons that include printing it out as a handout at a conference or as a product to distribute to/through campus units). Both versions are designed to be accessible and the HTML version is where you land if you search for a publication; PDF is offered through a link from that page. Example of one of publication pages where we employ this practice: https://www.washington.edu/doit/programs/center-universal-design-education/resources-and-training<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washington.edu%2Fdoit%2Fprograms%2Fcenter-universal-design-education%2Fresources-and-training&data=02%7C01%7Cmthornt%40uark.edu%7Ccd4a600b40a443c3ac8c08d85a6d0fe1%7C79c742c4e61c4fa5be89a3cb566a80d1%7C0%7C0%7C637358771749031305&sdata=QfgXfbb006JFA85mF9O3J4I4jVYO23AcQI0E07azikg%3D&reserved=0> Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstaff.washington.edu%2Fsherylb&data=02%7C01%7Cmthornt%40uark.edu%7Ccd4a600b40a443c3ac8c08d85a6d0fe1%7C79c742c4e61c4fa5be89a3cb566a80d1%7C0%7C0%7C637358771749041295&sdata=E86mydP%2FnOU%2B%2FoRR6NTGtTKdisYnQMAoJgGlMCOlXdM%3D&reserved=0> sherylb@uw.edu On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Stager, Catherine <Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu<mailto:Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu>> wrote: Can you just create a default CSS Print style for Media=print so that would generates the look and feel you find is desired in the PDF? I wonder if your users are actually going to print or if it is a matter of having an encapsulated version of the info? From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Our accessible, digital versions are done in HTML5. Everything is semantically marked up, bullets are true bullets, lists are true lists, etc. I can easily pull that HTML into an accessible PDF, but the issue I?m encountering is they want the PDF to be a beautiful, print layout that looks exactly like something that would come from the printer. Amanda Ryan Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgovrelations.umn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmthornt%40uark.edu%7Ccd4a600b40a443c3ac8c08d85a6d0fe1%7C79c742c4e61c4fa5be89a3cb566a80d1%7C0%7C0%7C637358771749041295&sdata=XWSfo8fR9ikK%2FQ%2Fp1pGDQ3%2F2m8nQwU2YXsCZayx6XDI%3D&reserved=0> University of Minnesota | umn.edu<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fumn.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmthornt%40uark.edu%7Ccd4a600b40a443c3ac8c08d85a6d0fe1%7C79c742c4e61c4fa5be89a3cb566a80d1%7C0%7C0%7C637358771749051294&sdata=WFHHKutxKX7VJH9O4cnHcPVN0OInu7YZ%2Bja2vAZIQp0%3D&reserved=0> webs0078@umn.edu<mailto:anedoe@umn.edu> | 612-301-3443 On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Robert Beach <rbeach@KCKCC.EDU<mailto:rbeach@KCKCC.EDU>> wrote: If your electronic version is accessible, you ?should? be able to generate an accessible PDF version from that. What format is your current accessible electronic version? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? 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I think it is great as long as when one is updated, both are, which I know DO-IT always does. :) > > Melanie > > MELANIE THORNTON, MA, CPACC > Pronouns: She/Her/Hers > Coordinator of Access and Equity Outreach > Partners for Inclusive Communities > University of Arkansas > > V/T: 501.291.3217 > > Partners for Inclusive Communities (Partners) is a program of the University of Arkansas College of Education and Health Professions and is Arkansas' University Center on Disabilities, a member of the nationwide Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD). > >> On September 16, 2020 at 1:19:35 PM, Sheryl Burgstahler (sherylb@uw.edu) wrote: >> >> At the DO-IT Center we offer our publications in HTML, but give individuals access to a PDF as an alternative (often because they want to print the document for reasons that include printing it out as a handout at a conference or as a product to distribute to/through campus units). Both versions are designed to be accessible and the HTML version is where you land if you search for a publication; PDF is offered through a link from that page. >> >> Example of one of publication pages where we employ this practice: >> https://www.washington.edu/doit/programs/center-universal-design-education/resources-and-training >> >> Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. >> Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT >> Affiliate Professor, Education >> University of Washington, Box 354842 >> Seattle, WA 98195 >> 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 >> http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb >> sherylb@uw.edu >> >>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Stager, Catherine <Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Can you just create a default CSS Print style for Media=print so that would generates the look and feel you find is desired in the PDF? I wonder if your users are actually going to print or if it is a matter of having an encapsulated version of the info? >>> >>> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:59 AM >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> >>> Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF >>> >>> >>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. >>> Our accessible, digital versions are done in HTML5. Everything is semantically marked up, bullets are true bullets, lists are true lists, etc. I can easily pull that HTML into an accessible PDF, but the issue I?m encountering is they want the PDF to be a beautiful, print layout that looks exactly like something that would come from the printer. >>> >>> Amanda Ryan >>> Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu >>> University of Minnesota | umn.edu >>> webs0078@umn.edu | 612-301-3443 >>> >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Robert Beach <rbeach@KCKCC.EDU> wrote: >>> >>> If your electronic version is accessible, you ?should? be able to generate an accessible PDF version from that. What format is your current accessible electronic version? >>> >>> >>> Robert Lee Beach >>> Assistive Technology Specialist >>> Kansas City Kansas Community College >>> 7250 State Avenue >>> Kansas City, KS 66112 >>> Phone: 913-288-7671 >>> Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> >>> >>> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Amanda Ryan >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:56 AM >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> >>> Subject: [EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF >>> >>> CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. >>> Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs. >>> >>> We always create an accessible digital version, which is what we put front and center, but people still want the PDF available. >>> >>> How do others handle the situation where you have an accessible digital version, but you still need to have a PDF version? >>> >>> >>> Amanda Ryan >>> Academic Technologist | Institute on Community Integration | ici.umn.edu >>> University of Minnesota | umn.edu >>> webs0078@umn.edu | 612-626-0246 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fathen-list&data=02%7C01%7Cmthornt%40uark.edu%7Ccd4a600b40a443c3ac8c08d85a6d0fe1%7C79c742c4e61c4fa5be89a3cb566a80d1%7C0%7C0%7C637358771749091271&sdata=v05rSf4qRosrw9ZyWkEXymLkFAFS207rRSm%2BPatxCAw%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] outsourcing your document conversions Hello one and all, I'd like to chat with anyone who is currently outsourcing document conversion (as in textbook conversion). We utilize as many sources to obtain accessible or near accessible files, but are in the process of looking at a variety of options when files are obtained (or a book has to be scanned) and remediation is needed. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to answer via listserv or to my email: hascher@uark.edu<mailto:hascher@uark.edu>. THANKS! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director - AT she, her, hers Center for Educational Access at the University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 phone 479.575.7445 fax +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200916/b20508b0/attachment.html> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Sep 16 14:03:38 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Sep 16 14:03:59 2020 Subject: [Athen] ACB Advocacy focuses on Pearson In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB33664284ED015AA228192A04B1240@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR10MB33664284ED015AA228192A04B1240@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB336605407EFEA1107F252220B1210@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> I just shared my experiences with these advocates. They are looking for more information so they can present Pearson with a list of complaints. Please share this contact info with your students who've experienced issues with Pearson accessibility. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:50 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] ACB Advocacy focuses on Pearson Encourage your students to follow up here. Big publishers need to hear from them! From the weekly newsletter of the American council Of The Blind: *** Pearson Accessibility ACB has received reports from students about accessibility challenges with a learning platform called Pearson that is widely used at college and universities across the country. If you have used the program at your college or university, please reach out to ACB's Advocacy & Outreach Specialist Claire Stanley. Please let us know what university you attend, what class or course the program is used for, the specific task the technology is used to perform, when you took the class that used the software, if you reported the problem to Pearson directly and how they responded, if you reported this issue to the college's disability services office and how they responded, and a detailed summary of your experience. Contact Claire by email cstanley@acb.org<mailto:cstanley@acb.org>, or by phone 202 467-5081. We are eager to learn about the prevalence of this issue and to see if we can remedy the issues. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200916/640d553f/attachment.html> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Sep 16 14:10:19 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Sep 16 14:10:55 2020 Subject: [Athen] Kindle books won't read? Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB3366A8A6C88834092812428FB1210@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> One of my students who uses her Kindle to simultaneously hear and see her textbooks just bought a Paralegal textbook that her Kindle could not read. I use my Kindle all the time but mostly for recreation and have never found a book it couldn't read. But I rarely read textbooks on it. Anyway, I helped her get her money back but I wonder how common this is, especially for textbooks that are mostly text-based like this one. (The below ISBN is I believe the print one.) Title: Law Office Management for Paralegals Author: Laurel A. Vietzen ISBN 10: 1543813828 ISBN 13: 9781543813821 Publisher: Aspen Publishers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. One of my students who uses her Kindle to simultaneously hear and see her textbooks just bought a Paralegal textbook that her Kindle could not read. I use my Kindle all the time but mostly for recreation and have never found a book it couldn't read. But I rarely read textbooks on it. Anyway, I helped her get her money back but I wonder how common this is, especially for textbooks that are mostly text-based like this one. (The below ISBN is I believe the print one.) Title: Law Office Management for Paralegals Author: Laurel A. Vietzen ISBN 10: 1543813828 ISBN 13: 9781543813821 Publisher: Aspen Publishers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Registration will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive announcements <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200916/90af0ad8/attachment.html> From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Sep 17 05:51:47 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Thu Sep 17 05:52:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Kindle books won't read? In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB3366A8A6C88834092812428FB1210@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR10MB3366A8A6C88834092812428FB1210@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <SA0PR11MB45601E2008C3D64FE8FAEAF6DC3E0@SA0PR11MB4560.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> When I train students to use Kindle books, the first thing I show them is to look in the details section and make sure the TTS option is enabled. If it is not, the book will not read in the Kindle app as expected. I'm not sure if this title has TTS enabled or not, but that is probably the issue. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:10 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [EXT][Athen] Kindle books won't read? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. One of my students who uses her Kindle to simultaneously hear and see her textbooks just bought a Paralegal textbook that her Kindle could not read. I use my Kindle all the time but mostly for recreation and have never found a book it couldn't read. But I rarely read textbooks on it. Anyway, I helped her get her money back but I wonder how common this is, especially for textbooks that are mostly text-based like this one. (The below ISBN is I believe the print one.) Title: Law Office Management for Paralegals Author: Laurel A. Vietzen ISBN 10: 1543813828 ISBN 13: 9781543813821 Publisher: Aspen Publishers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200917/5aa4cae1/attachment.html> From popish at pdx.edu Thu Sep 17 07:52:26 2020 From: popish at pdx.edu (Mary Popish) Date: Thu Sep 17 07:53:23 2020 Subject: [Athen] WileyPlus with JAWS? Message-ID: <CAK-y5haQc4fyxj3vug=jbSKvCrrk2+_9imA0ObBY6ugktQ-Ukw@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, Hope you are keeping well! I was wondering if anybody has had experience with WileyPlus that they can share? I'm working with a student who uses JAWS, and she is taking an Accounting course this fall that uses WileyPlus. I've spoken with the vendor, but I'm curious if anyone has had direct experience using WileyPlus with JAWS and/or supporting a student who uses JAWS who is in a WileyPlus course. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Take care, Mary *Mary Popish* Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/d <https://www.pdx.edu/disability-resource-center/> isability-resource-center Pronouns: she / her / hers --- We're excited to announce that DRC staff is officially off of furlough and now back 5 days a week! We will still perform all essential work of the DRC remotely, including initial appointments and drop-ins, but will now be available on Fridays as well! 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I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually better about accessibility. Regards, Howard On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > hello: > this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch > platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one > fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. > please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am > sure some one here will try it to smile lucy > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > >> We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone >> have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally >> from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some >> additional input. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Howard >> >> Howard Kramer >> Conference Coordinator >> Accessing Higher Ground >> 303-492-8672 >> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event >> <http://accessinghigherground.org/>* from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration >> will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive >> announcements >> <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. >> >> >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of Spring 2020 webinars >> <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site >> capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your >> earliest convenience for the largest selection. >> >> >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event <http://accessinghigherground.org/>* from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive announcements <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Ford Foundation seeks a dynamic, strategic leader to serve as a Program Officer for its new U.S. Disability Rights portfolio. The portfolio seeks to strengthen the power, influence, and inclusion of disabled people in social justice movements by supporting a strong, intersectional disability movement within the U.S. Might you please have ideas about potential candidates for this important role? We would also appreciate it if you would please share notice of this opening widely with your networks. Using disability rights and justice frames, the foundation's U.S. Disability Rights portfolio aims to fuel the impact of organizations that effectively advocate for the rights of persons with disabilities, a deep and diverse community of disability activists committed to social change, and a movement that has a pipeline of diverse leaders who have the opportunity to carry out the social change they seek. In close consultation with the disability community and Ford colleagues, the Program Officer will envision and create a Disability Rights portfolio strategy; develop and manage a grant portfolio; serve as a key convenor and thought-leader with various stakeholders in public and private settings; and support the foundation's efforts to build philanthropic partnerships that elevate disability within the sector. The ideal candidate will be a highly respected thought leader in terms of disability rights and civil rights and an excellent team player and trusted partner. They will have an excellent understanding of the challenges within the U.S. disability movement in relation to race, gender, class and sexual orientation as well as the ability to navigate diverse disability movements and stakeholders. Candidates should be entrepreneurial, diplomatic and possess exceptional communications skills, a track record of successful collaborations, and an understanding of organizational development, networks and philanthropy/grantmaking as well as personal qualities of humility, capacity for self-reflection, and a sense of humor. Ability and willingness to travel domestically (approximately 15%) is required along with 8 years relevant experience, and either a master's degree in a relevant field of study or equivalent experience or a baccalaureate degree and equivalent experience. The Ford Foundation is committed to providing access, equal opportunity and reasonable accommodation for individuals with disabilities in employment, its programs, and operations. As part of this commitment, the Foundation will ensure that persons with disabilities are provided reasonable accommodations. If a reasonable accommodation is needed to participate in the job application process please contact me or Krystin Falcone (k.falcone@fordfoundation.org<mailto:k.falcone@fordfoundation.org>; 212 573-4627). For more information or to apply see the attached position announcement or visit https://www.fordfoundation.org/about/careers/ We look forward to hearing from you. Many thanks for your assistance with this important recruitment effort. With kind regards, Sarah Sarah Ashton Search Coordinator s.ashton@fordfoundation.org<mailto:s.ashton@fordfoundation.org> (212) 573-4666 [Ford Foundation Working with visionaries on the frontlines of social change worldwide.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200917/8f3b2e85/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PO U.S. Disability Rights Job Posting.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 188482 bytes Desc: PO U.S. Disability Rights Job Posting.pdf URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200917/8f3b2e85/attachment.pdf> From lgreco at berkeley.edu Thu Sep 17 16:13:09 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Thu Sep 17 16:14:13 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: <CAN57xLeyeee2M6B_4SDSBM3WcC3m_AkAHWxwjO-uhdJzfN-g6g@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAN57xLeU6pybVPr4ypHbZjE3rQnSXLFzhAMewtjE6H=Cpbzupw@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7pJUiTOxTjGGUi0KpRF93AhVLf+PV5Y732jt87D4JfScA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN57xLeyeee2M6B_4SDSBM3WcC3m_AkAHWxwjO-uhdJzfN-g6g@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAESOp7q3hx6-xGOg1ywEySaGXmycEeywrMuxaG_+LHzaJWM8Mg@mail.gmail.com> HELLO: I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/ IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > Hi Lucy, > > Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep > (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. > Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals > some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app > and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out > anything more. > > I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually > better about accessibility. > > Regards, > Howard > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> hello: >> this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch >> platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one >> fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. >> please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am >> sure some one here will try it to smile lucy >> Lucia Greco >> Web Accessibility Evangelist >> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >> University of California, Berkeley >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: >> >>> We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does >>> anyone have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? >>> Anecdotally from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get >>> some additional input. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Howard >>> >>> Howard Kramer >>> Conference Coordinator >>> Accessing Higher Ground >>> 303-492-8672 >>> cell: 720-351-8668 >>> >>> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event >>> <http://accessinghigherground.org/>* from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration >>> will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive >>> announcements >>> <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. >>> >>> >>> >>> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >>> line-up of Spring 2020 webinars >>> <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site >>> capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your >>> earliest convenience for the largest selection. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >>> <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>* >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Regards, > Howard > > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event > <http://accessinghigherground.org/>* from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration > will open up on September 11. 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Tyree Library From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 10:52 PM To: athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] How to clean live scribe pens Caution: This email originated outside Santa Fe College. Consider carefully before sharing information, clicking links and opening attachments. Dear All, Has anyone been use ultra violet disinfectant lights to clean equipment especially Livescribe pens. Do you have one that you can recommend to use. Tanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu<mailto:lnorwich@bu.edu> (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability<http://www.bu.edu/disability> (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tyree Library From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 10:52 PM To: athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] How to clean live scribe pens Caution: This email originated outside Santa Fe College. Consider carefully before sharing information, clicking links and opening attachments. Dear All, Has anyone been use ultra violet disinfectant lights to clean equipment especially Livescribe pens. Do you have one that you can recommend to use. Tanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu<mailto:lnorwich@bu.edu> (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability<http://www.bu.edu/disability> (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Fri Sep 18 10:36:45 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessible font In-Reply-To: <CH2PR10MB4167C01EB37FA9BA85CA6C059A3F0@CH2PR10MB4167.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <CH2PR10MB4167C01EB37FA9BA85CA6C059A3F0@CH2PR10MB4167.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <BN6PR03MB3139B8066D26E5B01A07F9BB833F0@BN6PR03MB3139.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Here are a few resources and guidelines you may find helpful: https://aphaccessibility.com/checklist-for-power-point-presentations/ https://www.aph.org/aph-guidelines-for-print-document-design/ https://www.superarladislexia.org/pdf/2017-Luz%20Rello-UAIS_How%20to%20present%20text.pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.900.2679&rep=rep1&type=pdf Of course, the question of font characteristics which impact accessibility is complicated by the fact that different disability populations have different needs. The same font that works well for a given low-vision user may not be a good match for someone with dyslexia, or even another low-vision user with different needs for that matter. That is why many web sites and eBook readers allow the user to change a number of font characteristics. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:58 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Accessible font Hi all and Happy Friday, September 18, 2020! Does anyone have any research, articles you would mind sharing about what font(s) is the most accessible to use with Power Point presentations? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.utc.edu%2Fenrollment-management-student-affairs%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csteve.noble%40louisville.edu%7C311592b9edc2497a8e5f08d85be38a2a%7Cdd246e4a54344e158ae391ad9797b209%7C0%7C0%7C637360380127530053&sdata=7K%2F%2FxodGxfVq2Nuh%2BdYkeuVoe85U8Eet17AjfB%2F2u3c%3D&reserved=0> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible font Here are a few resources and guidelines you may find helpful: https://aphaccessibility.com/checklist-for-power-point-presentations/ https://www.aph.org/aph-guidelines-for-print-document-design/ https://www.superarladislexia.org/pdf/2017-Luz%20Rello-UAIS_How%20to%20present%20text.pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.900.2679&rep=rep1&type=pdf Of course, the question of font characteristics which impact accessibility is complicated by the fact that different disability populations have different needs. The same font that works well for a given low-vision user may not be a good match for someone with dyslexia, or even another low-vision user with different needs for that matter. That is why many web sites and eBook readers allow the user to change a number of font characteristics. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu<mailto:steve.noble@louisville.edu> 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu<mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:58 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Accessible font Hi all and Happy Friday, September 18, 2020! Does anyone have any research, articles you would mind sharing about what font(s) is the most accessible to use with Power Point presentations? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.utc.edu%2Fenrollment-management-student-affairs%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csteve.noble%40louisville.edu%7C311592b9edc2497a8e5f08d85be38a2a%7Cdd246e4a54344e158ae391ad9797b209%7C0%7C0%7C637360380127530053&sdata=7K%2F%2FxodGxfVq2Nuh%2BdYkeuVoe85U8Eet17AjfB%2F2u3c%3D&reserved=0> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200918/16b56b52/attachment.html> From kndeibel at syr.edu Fri Sep 18 12:29:31 2020 From: kndeibel at syr.edu (Kate Deibel) Date: Fri Sep 18 12:30:02 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessible font In-Reply-To: <CH2PR10MB416732101FA11B8D97BEA2159A3F0@CH2PR10MB4167.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <CH2PR10MB4167C01EB37FA9BA85CA6C059A3F0@CH2PR10MB4167.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <BN6PR03MB3139B8066D26E5B01A07F9BB833F0@BN6PR03MB3139.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <CH2PR10MB416732101FA11B8D97BEA2159A3F0@CH2PR10MB4167.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <ac5dbdac56254e88b5abfa9f7b74630f@syr.edu> 100% agree with Steve. And it gets more complicated by what do you mean regarding a presentation? Are we talking about looking at the file itself? Presented online? Presented live in a large venue like a conference hall? A smaller venue like a classroom? What's the lighting scenario? All of these are factors to consider. Generally, I go by the following rules and advice: * Avoid thin fonts. Just always say no to those. * For every study, article, claim, etc. that you'll find arguing sans-serif or serif is better, you'll find another that says the opposite. * No to fancy, styled fonts. No script-style, Papyrus, graffiti, etc. * Keep the number of fonts to a minimum. * Regarding size, never drop below the 20pt unless you sharing the slides later. Then, you can put items such as sources, links, etc. in smaller fonts. * There is such a thing as too big of fonts too, but this happens more with larger projections. Think of it as being akin to being in the front row of a movie theater. * No to blinking text. * Try to follow contrast recommendations but don't necessarily push for the maximum. * If presenting live, ask about the expected lighting levels. If in a brighter room, go for light background, darker text. If in a darked room, use a darker background with lighter text. The whole idea is that you're trying to reflect what the surroundings are. Less adjustment. As for actual font choices, I tend to go with the Franklin Gothic as my default. Good thickness, distinct letters. None of the problems of numbers and letters not being in aligned. Others I recommend: * Comic Sans (I'm 100% serious! It's quite readable) * Verdana * Rockwell * Tahoma * Lucida I've become more iffy on supporting direct Times New Roman and Helvetica clones for presentations. More of a gut thing, so not a no-no. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible font Thank you. This is most helpful. Bryon From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible font Here are a few resources and guidelines you may find helpful: https://aphaccessibility.com/checklist-for-power-point-presentations/ https://www.aph.org/aph-guidelines-for-print-document-design/ https://www.superarladislexia.org/pdf/2017-Luz%20Rello-UAIS_How%20to%20present%20text.pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.900.2679&rep=rep1&type=pdf Of course, the question of font characteristics which impact accessibility is complicated by the fact that different disability populations have different needs. The same font that works well for a given low-vision user may not be a good match for someone with dyslexia, or even another low-vision user with different needs for that matter. That is why many web sites and eBook readers allow the user to change a number of font characteristics. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu<mailto:steve.noble@louisville.edu> 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu<mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:58 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Accessible font Hi all and Happy Friday, September 18, 2020! Does anyone have any research, articles you would mind sharing about what font(s) is the most accessible to use with Power Point presentations? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.utc.edu%2Fenrollment-management-student-affairs%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csteve.noble%40louisville.edu%7C311592b9edc2497a8e5f08d85be38a2a%7Cdd246e4a54344e158ae391ad9797b209%7C0%7C0%7C637360380127530053&sdata=7K%2F%2FxodGxfVq2Nuh%2BdYkeuVoe85U8Eet17AjfB%2F2u3c%3D&reserved=0> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200918/334436ff/attachment.html> From adietrich at cornell.edu Fri Sep 18 12:34:00 2020 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Fri Sep 18 12:34:28 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessible font In-Reply-To: <ac5dbdac56254e88b5abfa9f7b74630f@syr.edu> References: <CH2PR10MB4167C01EB37FA9BA85CA6C059A3F0@CH2PR10MB4167.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <BN6PR03MB3139B8066D26E5B01A07F9BB833F0@BN6PR03MB3139.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <CH2PR10MB416732101FA11B8D97BEA2159A3F0@CH2PR10MB4167.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <ac5dbdac56254e88b5abfa9f7b74630f@syr.edu> Message-ID: <BL0PR04MB50436D2CBA793AEB0FC4FD75B83F0@BL0PR04MB5043.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> For fonts I'm fond of the Noto Fonts from Google. Free, open source, and easily readable. And they have a good distinction between a lot of the easily confused letters and numbers and such. https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Noto+Sans?preview.text=&preview.text_type=custom -Andi :) From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Kate Deibel Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:30 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible font 100% agree with Steve. And it gets more complicated by what do you mean regarding a presentation? Are we talking about looking at the file itself? Presented online? Presented live in a large venue like a conference hall? A smaller venue like a classroom? What's the lighting scenario? All of these are factors to consider. Generally, I go by the following rules and advice: * Avoid thin fonts. Just always say no to those. * For every study, article, claim, etc. that you'll find arguing sans-serif or serif is better, you'll find another that says the opposite. * No to fancy, styled fonts. No script-style, Papyrus, graffiti, etc. * Keep the number of fonts to a minimum. * Regarding size, never drop below the 20pt unless you sharing the slides later. Then, you can put items such as sources, links, etc. in smaller fonts. * There is such a thing as too big of fonts too, but this happens more with larger projections. Think of it as being akin to being in the front row of a movie theater. * No to blinking text. * Try to follow contrast recommendations but don't necessarily push for the maximum. * If presenting live, ask about the expected lighting levels. If in a brighter room, go for light background, darker text. If in a darked room, use a darker background with lighter text. The whole idea is that you're trying to reflect what the surroundings are. Less adjustment. As for actual font choices, I tend to go with the Franklin Gothic as my default. Good thickness, distinct letters. None of the problems of numbers and letters not being in aligned. Others I recommend: * Comic Sans (I'm 100% serious! It's quite readable) * Verdana * Rockwell * Tahoma * Lucida I've become more iffy on supporting direct Times New Roman and Helvetica clones for presentations. More of a gut thing, so not a no-no. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible font Thank you. This is most helpful. Bryon From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible font Here are a few resources and guidelines you may find helpful: https://aphaccessibility.com/checklist-for-power-point-presentations/ https://www.aph.org/aph-guidelines-for-print-document-design/ https://www.superarladislexia.org/pdf/2017-Luz%20Rello-UAIS_How%20to%20present%20text.pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.900.2679&rep=rep1&type=pdf Of course, the question of font characteristics which impact accessibility is complicated by the fact that different disability populations have different needs. The same font that works well for a given low-vision user may not be a good match for someone with dyslexia, or even another low-vision user with different needs for that matter. That is why many web sites and eBook readers allow the user to change a number of font characteristics. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu<mailto:steve.noble@louisville.edu> 502-969-3088 ________________________________ From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu<mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:58 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Accessible font Hi all and Happy Friday, September 18, 2020! Does anyone have any research, articles you would mind sharing about what font(s) is the most accessible to use with Power Point presentations? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.utc.edu%2Fenrollment-management-student-affairs%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csteve.noble%40louisville.edu%7C311592b9edc2497a8e5f08d85be38a2a%7Cdd246e4a54344e158ae391ad9797b209%7C0%7C0%7C637360380127530053&sdata=7K%2F%2FxodGxfVq2Nuh%2BdYkeuVoe85U8Eet17AjfB%2F2u3c%3D&reserved=0> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please have a look at the job posting information at this link. <https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/eng/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile&szOrderID=181484&szCandidateID=0&szSearchWords=&szReturnToSearch=1> Thanks and have a great weekend! -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu <danc@washington.edu> Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I asked during the demo to explain what they know about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who required to meet the WCAG criteria. Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? Thank you! Lori ------- Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpacccertification> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova HELLO: I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/ IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: Hi Lucy, Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out anything more. I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually better about accessibility. Regards, Howard On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: hello: this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am sure some one here will try it to smile lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some additional input. -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event<http://accessinghigherground.org/> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive announcements<https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars<https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.<http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event<http://accessinghigherground.org/> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive announcements<https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars<https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.<http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200921/26c253a8/attachment.html> From lgreco at berkeley.edu Mon Sep 21 08:55:50 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Mon Sep 21 08:57:12 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB2956520A16D29B883BD8F612A53A0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <CAN57xLeU6pybVPr4ypHbZjE3rQnSXLFzhAMewtjE6H=Cpbzupw@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7pJUiTOxTjGGUi0KpRF93AhVLf+PV5Y732jt87D4JfScA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN57xLeyeee2M6B_4SDSBM3WcC3m_AkAHWxwjO-uhdJzfN-g6g@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7q3hx6-xGOg1ywEySaGXmycEeywrMuxaG_+LHzaJWM8Mg@mail.gmail.com> <DM6PR11MB2956520A16D29B883BD8F612A53A0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <CAESOp7oN122C-GgWUS=61oLRshTF5x215U+PEmq3DS+HWz7DLQ@mail.gmail.com> hello: i will definitely take a look. i wish i had gotten a talk in for accessing hier ground this year. but things are a mess and to much going on. i will take a look at that page for you. i the next day or so. maybe you and i could do a screen shair and i can review it with you. that way i have time on my calendar and can make sure to do it smile i am free after 11 today all day and all day wednesday as well. if you send an invite that will hold the time smile. i will let you know other wize what i ffind on that demo page as soon as i can take a look. sorry lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 8:48 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu> wrote: > Hi Lucy and Howard, > > > > I am responding to each of you with my comments: > > > > Howard ? You are correct that Whova hosts multiple accessibility issues, > and they did provide their VPAT, but it did not reveal what they know or > understand accessibility. I asked during the demo to explain what they know > about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at > ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that > required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. > There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and > this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this > point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for > us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who > required to meet the WCAG criteria. > > > > > Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind > sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Lori > > > > ------- > Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC > <https://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpacccertification> > > IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design > > Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > > > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On > Behalf Of *Lucy GRECO > *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova > > > > HELLO: > > I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND > > PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/ > > IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND > A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS > IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE > VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR > TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > > Hi Lucy, > > > > Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep > (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. > Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals > some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app > and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out > anything more. > > > > I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually > better about accessibility. > > > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > > hello: > > this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch > platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one > fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. > please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am > sure some one here will try it to smile lucy > > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > > We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone > have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally > from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some > additional input. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground* *Conference - A Virtual Event* > <http://accessinghigherground.org/> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration > will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive > announcements > <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of Spring 2020 webinars > <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site > capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.* > <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground* *Conference - A Virtual Event* > <http://accessinghigherground.org/> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration > will open up on September 11. 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URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200921/ab5c2594/attachment.html> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Mon Sep 21 08:59:42 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Mon Sep 21 09:00:05 2020 Subject: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB3366DA4CE4C960BA200396DAB13A0@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> I emailed FS tech support just in case I was missing something - unfortunately, the problem is the courseware and not me. Here's their response; I've removed my serial numbers from this post. From: support@vispero.com <support@vispero.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:52 AM To: Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> Cc: training@vispero.com; support@freedomscientific.com Subject: Vispero Case# 00508248, JAWS web access questions [ ref:_00Df21A3ry._5005w1digoK:ref ] Hello Deborah: Thank you for contacting Vispero(tm) Technical Support. Drag and drop doesn't work if the location of either the dragging or the dropping cannot be seen at the same time. Having users use drag and drop only goes against Web Content Accessibility Guidelines for web site and application development. There are not any specific JAWS settings to improve Firefox(r). I find that Chrome and the new Edge provide the best accessibility experience on the web. If you need to use Firefox, version 80 is the latest build. Please know all email communications in this thread will be automatically added to your case until resolved. If you need to contact us by telephone, use the number of 727)803-8600, and please reference this case number so we can better assist you. Regards,, Sarai, Vispero --------------- Original Message --------------- From: Deborah Armstrong [armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu] Sent: 9/19/2020 8:56 PM To: support@freedomscientific.com<mailto:support@freedomscientific.com> Cc: training@vispero.com<mailto:training@vispero.com> Subject: JAWS web access questions Work serial: 415XXXXXX Home serial 198XXXXXX JAWS version: 2020.2008.24 ILM Windows version: 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) Dear JAWS support, I am an experienced JAWS user and an experienced online learner. But I'm having more and more trouble with two issues using JAWS with online courseware. I have Windows 10 with all updates applied (I run enterprise at work and the Windows 10 Home at Home. I have Edge, Chrome, Firefox and the deprecated IE. All are kept updated. Problem #1: Drag and drop. I know JAWS has a drag and drop feature I've used occasionally, but does it still work now that the JAWS cursor is a scan cursor and it can't always see everything? And more important, will it work on the web? More and more instructional sites want students to drag and drop items to reorder them, and I have not been able to find a keyboard accessible way to do this, nor has the JAWS drag and drop worked. Am I correct that it is not possible to execute a drag and drop operation with JAWS within a browser? Problem #2: clickable elements. Some clickable elements seem to just "work" even though JAWS doesn't announce them as clickable. When I press Enter on them, they activate exactly like a true link. Others don't even though I've positioned the virtual cursor on something that I've been told is a clickable element. Also I find that JAWS says "clickable" more often with Firefox, but is able to activate fewer elements than it is with Chrome. Is there some JAWS setting that will improve the ability of JAWS to activate clickable elements? One problem I have here is some courseware requires the use of Firefox, yet Chrome performs better on its clickable elements. However when I get to items in the courseware that are not compatible with Chrome, they of course don't work, and I have to use Firefox. But I often need Chrome to even reach these items. Since all of this is behind a paywall on a password protected site, it's nearly impossible to switch browsers, especially since the page addresses are dynamically generated. Thanks for your assistance; all tips are appreciated. --Debee (Deborah Armstrong) [https://vfogroup.my.salesforce.com/servlet/servlet.ImageServer?oid=00Df2000001A3ry&esid=0185w00000yfv19] ref:_00Df21A3ry._5005w1digoK:ref -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200921/44af1cad/attachment.html> From hkramer at ahead.org Mon Sep 21 09:14:30 2020 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Mon Sep 21 09:15:07 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB2956520A16D29B883BD8F612A53A0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <CAN57xLeU6pybVPr4ypHbZjE3rQnSXLFzhAMewtjE6H=Cpbzupw@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7pJUiTOxTjGGUi0KpRF93AhVLf+PV5Y732jt87D4JfScA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN57xLeyeee2M6B_4SDSBM3WcC3m_AkAHWxwjO-uhdJzfN-g6g@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7q3hx6-xGOg1ywEySaGXmycEeywrMuxaG_+LHzaJWM8Mg@mail.gmail.com> <DM6PR11MB2956520A16D29B883BD8F612A53A0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <CAN57xLfTZTdBcypkX3RmMf8Txnmhv6EQy4rbtZ0o9xn3SU3d=w@mail.gmail.com> Hi Lori, I filled out a contact form for PlatformQ and was contacted by David Ross dross@platformq.com. I haven't talked to him yet and haven't found a mock-up or test version. I'll let you know what I find out. -Howard On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:44 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu> wrote: > Hi Lucy and Howard, > > > > I am responding to each of you with my comments: > > > > Howard ? You are correct that Whova hosts multiple accessibility issues, > and they did provide their VPAT, but it did not reveal what they know or > understand accessibility. I asked during the demo to explain what they know > about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at > ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that > required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. > There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and > this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this > point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for > us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who > required to meet the WCAG criteria. > > > > > Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind > sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Lori > > > > ------- > Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC > <https://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpacccertification> > > IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design > > Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > > > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On > Behalf Of *Lucy GRECO > *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova > > > > HELLO: > > I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND > > PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/ > > IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND > A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS > IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE > VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR > TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > > Hi Lucy, > > > > Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep > (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. > Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals > some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app > and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out > anything more. > > > > I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually > better about accessibility. > > > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > > hello: > > this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch > platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one > fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. > please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am > sure some one here will try it to smile lucy > > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > > We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone > have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally > from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some > additional input. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground* *Conference - A Virtual Event* > <http://accessinghigherground.org/> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration > will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive > announcements > <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of Spring 2020 webinars > <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site > capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.* > <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground* *Conference - A Virtual Event* > <http://accessinghigherground.org/> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration > will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive > announcements > <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of Spring 2020 webinars > <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site > capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.* > <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event <http://accessinghigherground.org/>* from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive announcements <https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars <https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200921/b6f56423/attachment.html> From glen.walker at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 13:21:55 2020 From: glen.walker at gmail.com (glen walker) Date: Mon Sep 21 13:22:11 2020 Subject: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB3366DA4CE4C960BA200396DAB13A0@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR10MB3366DA4CE4C960BA200396DAB13A0@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <CANcjB1nqV_60Yvah8TGYC+PULmZdkNHPp292ke7H2i7mHPZo8A@mail.gmail.com> I agree with FS that an app that has a DnD interface fails WCAG 2.1.1 if there isn't a keyboard way to perform the same function (such as reordering a list). It's too bad JAWS doesn't have any keys to get around that. With VoiceOver on iOS, you can often press and hold an element to drag it to a new location and VoiceOver will give you feedback of where you're dragging it to. That's if the app is coded correctly. It's a pretty cool feature. On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:00 AM Deborah Armstrong < armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote: > I emailed FS tech support just in case I was missing something ? > unfortunately, the problem is the courseware and not me. Here?s their > response; I?ve removed my serial numbers from this post. > > > > *From:* support@vispero.com <support@vispero.com> > *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 8:52 AM > *To:* Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> > *Cc:* training@vispero.com; support@freedomscientific.com > *Subject:* Vispero Case# 00508248, JAWS web access questions [ > ref:_00Df21A3ry._5005w1digoK:ref ] > > > > Hello Deborah: > > Thank you for contacting Vispero? Technical Support. > Drag and drop doesn't work if the location of either the dragging or the > dropping cannot be seen at the same time. Having users use drag and drop > only goes against Web Content Accessibility Guidelines for web site and > application development. > There are not any specific JAWS settings to improve Firefox?. I find that > Chrome and the new Edge provide the best accessibility experience on the > web. > If you need to use Firefox, version 80 is the latest build. > > Please know all email communications in this thread will be automatically > added to your case until resolved. If you need to contact us by telephone, > use the number of 727)803-8600, and please reference this case number so we > can better assist you. > > Regards,, > > Sarai, > > Vispero > > > --------------- Original Message --------------- > *From:* Deborah Armstrong [armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu] > *Sent:* 9/19/2020 8:56 PM > *To:* support@freedomscientific.com > *Cc:* training@vispero.com > *Subject:* JAWS web access questions > > > Work serial: 415XXXXXX > > Home serial 198XXXXXX > > JAWS version: 2020.2008.24 ILM > > Windows version: 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) > > > > Dear JAWS support, > > > > I am an experienced JAWS user and an experienced online learner. > > > > But I?m having more and more trouble with two issues using JAWS with > online courseware. > > > > I have Windows 10 with all updates applied (I run enterprise at work and > the Windows 10 Home at Home. I have Edge, Chrome, Firefox and the > deprecated IE. All are kept updated. > > > > Problem #1: Drag and drop. I know JAWS has a drag and drop feature I?ve > used occasionally, but does it still work now that the JAWS cursor is a > scan cursor and it can?t always see everything? And more important, will it > work on the web? More and more instructional sites want students to drag > and drop items to reorder them, and I have not been able to find a keyboard > accessible way to do this, nor has the JAWS drag and drop worked. Am I > correct that it is not possible to execute a drag and drop operation with > JAWS within a browser? > > > > Problem #2: clickable elements. Some clickable elements seem to just > ?work? even though JAWS doesn?t announce them as clickable. When I press > Enter on them, they activate exactly like a true link. Others don?t even > though I?ve positioned the virtual cursor on something that I?ve been told > is a clickable element. > > > > Also I find that JAWS says ?clickable? more often with Firefox, but is > able to activate fewer elements than it is with Chrome. Is there some JAWS > setting that will improve the ability of JAWS to activate clickable > elements? > > > > One problem I have here is some courseware requires the use of Firefox, > yet Chrome performs better on its clickable elements. However when I get to > items in the courseware that are not compatible with Chrome, they of course > don?t work, and I have to use Firefox. But I often need Chrome to even > reach these items. Since all of this is behind a paywall on a password > protected site, it?s nearly impossible to switch browsers, especially since > the page addresses are dynamically generated. > > > > Thanks for your assistance; all tips are appreciated. > > > > --Debee > > (Deborah Armstrong) > > > > > > ref:_00Df21A3ry._5005w1digoK:ref > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200921/01e72863/attachment.html> From lydia at autistichoya.com Mon Sep 21 18:17:50 2020 From: lydia at autistichoya.com (Lydia X. Z. Brown) Date: Mon Sep 21 18:18:50 2020 Subject: [Athen] Columbia University, Teachers College hiring Assistant/Associate Professor in International and Comparative Education In-Reply-To: <0a6801d6907c$e5959be0$b0c0d3a0$@earthlink.net> References: <CAJq=rrLPLNWkAuN3Z2WNdL5upWmr=wAb4_g+S+Uq-q9i8fi0Vw@mail.gmail.com> <0a6801d6907c$e5959be0$b0c0d3a0$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <CAKCFnvH_hYDokUUL4QLiyJrxFYN26+yVd9tCU8_bPgZ5oXwYCA@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, Please see the following announcement of a search for an Assistant or Associate Professor in International and Comparative Education at Teachers College, Columbia University. Feel free to contact Lisa Daehlin (daehlin@exchange.tc.columbia.edu) with any questions. Warm regards, Nicholas Teachers College, Columbia University Department of International and Transcultural Studies *Program in International and Comparative Education* Position: The Program in International and Comparative Education (IC&E) at Teachers College, Columbia University, invites applications for a tenure-track Assistant/Associate Professor position. We are seeking candidates with expertise in the areas of education in emergencies and/or refugee education. We are especially interested in candidates who focus on teacher education and professional development in the aforementioned contexts. A successful applicant for this position will have a record of productive research and demonstrated competence at teaching and advising graduate students that complements and extends the scholarly diversity of the program. Responsibilities: Develop a significant program of research; teach graduate level courses in international educational development and comparative and international education; advise both masters and doctoral students; and supervise research for masters and doctoral students. Qualifications: Earned doctorate in international and comparative education or related discipline; evidence of research productivity and potential for extramural funding; ability to teach core courses in international and comparative education, as well as courses relevant to education in emergencies, refugee education, and teacher education and professional development; commitment to excellence in teaching and working with students from diverse backgrounds and especially those from groups historically underrepresented in higher education. *Rank*: Assistant/Associate Professor, Tenure Track. Applications: Qualified candidates should submit the following materials using the link below: curriculum vitae, three writing samples, names of three references who are willing to provide professional letters of recommendation, and a letter of interest with details regarding how the applicant meets the criteria for the position. Application deadline is November 1, 2020. Review of applications will begin October 6, 2020. The appointment begins September 2021. Teachers College as an institution is committed to a policy of equal opportunity in employment. In offering education, psychology, and health studies, the College is committed to providing expanding employment opportunities to minorities, women, and persons with disabilities in its own activities and society. More information is available at https://employment.tc.columbia.edu/cw/en-us/job/506597/assistantassociate-professor-in-international-and-comparative-education. -- Nicholas Limerick, PhD Assistant Professor Department of International and Transcultural Studies Teachers College, Columbia University website: http://nicholaslimerick.com/ office hours sign-up: https://nl2539.youcanbook.me/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200921/c3a81ce2/attachment.html> From schwarte at purdue.edu Tue Sep 22 05:52:06 2020 From: schwarte at purdue.edu (Schwarte, David M.) Date: Tue Sep 22 05:52:26 2020 Subject: [Athen] LATex Training Message-ID: <DM5PR22MB1658D371AF0F45CF7B380216AE3B0@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> Hello Everyone, I am working with a student who needs to learn to use LaTex. Does anyone know of lessons or a lesson plan for learning LaTex? 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URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200922/c794fda4/attachment.html> From lorilane at illinois.edu Tue Sep 22 07:39:26 2020 From: lorilane at illinois.edu (Lane, Lori) Date: Tue Sep 22 07:40:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: <CAN57xLfTZTdBcypkX3RmMf8Txnmhv6EQy4rbtZ0o9xn3SU3d=w@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAN57xLeU6pybVPr4ypHbZjE3rQnSXLFzhAMewtjE6H=Cpbzupw@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7pJUiTOxTjGGUi0KpRF93AhVLf+PV5Y732jt87D4JfScA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN57xLeyeee2M6B_4SDSBM3WcC3m_AkAHWxwjO-uhdJzfN-g6g@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7q3hx6-xGOg1ywEySaGXmycEeywrMuxaG_+LHzaJWM8Mg@mail.gmail.com> <DM6PR11MB2956520A16D29B883BD8F612A53A0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <CAN57xLfTZTdBcypkX3RmMf8Txnmhv6EQy4rbtZ0o9xn3SU3d=w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB2956AAC3909738A7B23B35BCA53B0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Thanks, Howard! I will do the same regarding PlatformQ. Lori From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 11:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova Hi Lori, I filled out a contact form for PlatformQ and was contacted by David Ross dross@platformq.com<mailto:dross@platformq.com>. I haven't talked to him yet and haven't found a mock-up or test version. I'll let you know what I find out. -Howard On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:44 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu<mailto:lorilane@illinois.edu>> wrote: Hi Lucy and Howard, I am responding to each of you with my comments: Howard ? You are correct that Whova hosts multiple accessibility issues, and they did provide their VPAT, but it did not reveal what they know or understand accessibility. I asked during the demo to explain what they know about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who required to meet the WCAG criteria. Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? Thank you! Lori ------- Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova HELLO: I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.platformqedu.com_conduit_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=03yCEDl9VcoB28eta28E-jG3DZ8OIIKueS6NYr90VK4&e=> IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: Hi Lucy, Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out anything more. I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually better about accessibility. Regards, Howard On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: hello: this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am sure some one here will try it to smile lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. 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We welcome you to join AHEAD now.<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ahead.org_join_become-2Da-2Dmember&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=sKBFvMXIiE5nbi48-pzgy1fWK3gUktzIQv9P_lImm-A&e=> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200922/204fc208/attachment.html> From kndeibel at syr.edu Tue Sep 22 07:42:40 2020 From: kndeibel at syr.edu (Kate Deibel) Date: Tue Sep 22 07:42:58 2020 Subject: [Athen] LATex Training In-Reply-To: <DM5PR22MB1658D371AF0F45CF7B380216AE3B0@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> References: <DM5PR22MB1658D371AF0F45CF7B380216AE3B0@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <78f80f877a9d487aaa74db2f1dfa3d5c@syr.edu> There are several great books out there on LaTeX. I learned primarily through "Math Into Latex" back in the last century. The LaTeX wikibook<https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX> is also a great resource. While not lesson plans, they suggest a good flow/direction for what points to cover when. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] LATex Training Hello Everyone, I am working with a student who needs to learn to use LaTex. Does anyone know of lessons or a lesson plan for learning LaTex? Thanks, David Schwarte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200922/a8b4ae03/attachment.html> From lorilane at illinois.edu Tue Sep 22 07:57:53 2020 From: lorilane at illinois.edu (Lane, Lori) Date: Tue Sep 22 07:58:11 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: <CAESOp7oN122C-GgWUS=61oLRshTF5x215U+PEmq3DS+HWz7DLQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAN57xLeU6pybVPr4ypHbZjE3rQnSXLFzhAMewtjE6H=Cpbzupw@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7pJUiTOxTjGGUi0KpRF93AhVLf+PV5Y732jt87D4JfScA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN57xLeyeee2M6B_4SDSBM3WcC3m_AkAHWxwjO-uhdJzfN-g6g@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7q3hx6-xGOg1ywEySaGXmycEeywrMuxaG_+LHzaJWM8Mg@mail.gmail.com> <DM6PR11MB2956520A16D29B883BD8F612A53A0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <CAESOp7oN122C-GgWUS=61oLRshTF5x215U+PEmq3DS+HWz7DLQ@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB29562EB2DE7BD74D1A8AA85BA53B0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Thanks, Lucy, I will contact you off the list. Lori From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova hello: i will definitely take a look. i wish i had gotten a talk in for accessing hier ground this year. but things are a mess and to much going on. i will take a look at that page for you. i the next day or so. maybe you and i could do a screen shair and i can review it with you. that way i have time on my calendar and can make sure to do it smile i am free after 11 today all day and all day wednesday as well. if you send an invite that will hold the time smile. i will let you know other wize what i ffind on that demo page as soon as i can take a look. sorry lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 8:48 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu<mailto:lorilane@illinois.edu>> wrote: Hi Lucy and Howard, I am responding to each of you with my comments: Howard ? You are correct that Whova hosts multiple accessibility issues, and they did provide their VPAT, but it did not reveal what they know or understand accessibility. I asked during the demo to explain what they know about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who required to meet the WCAG criteria. Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? Thank you! Lori ------- Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpacccertification> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova HELLO: I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/ IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: Hi Lucy, Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out anything more. I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually better about accessibility. Regards, Howard On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: hello: this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am sure some one here will try it to smile lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some additional input. -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event<http://accessinghigherground.org/> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. Sign up to our mailing list to receive announcements<https://accessinghigherground.org/about/#Join_Our_Mailing_List>. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars<https://www.ahead.org/events-programming/webinars/2020-spring-webinars>. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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I just learned from PlatformQ that they only work with admissions or enterprise-wide within a university. This is not a right fit for one-off conferences. Lucy ? were you looking for conference or admissions platforms? Lori ? lorilane@illinois.edu<mailto:lorilane@illinois.edu> Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 11:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova Hi Lori, I filled out a contact form for PlatformQ and was contacted by David Ross dross@platformq.com<mailto:dross@platformq.com>. I haven't talked to him yet and haven't found a mock-up or test version. I'll let you know what I find out. -Howard On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:44 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu<mailto:lorilane@illinois.edu>> wrote: Hi Lucy and Howard, I am responding to each of you with my comments: Howard ? You are correct that Whova hosts multiple accessibility issues, and they did provide their VPAT, but it did not reveal what they know or understand accessibility. I asked during the demo to explain what they know about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who required to meet the WCAG criteria. Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? Thank you! Lori ------- Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova HELLO: I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.platformqedu.com_conduit_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=03yCEDl9VcoB28eta28E-jG3DZ8OIIKueS6NYr90VK4&e=> IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: Hi Lucy, Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out anything more. I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually better about accessibility. Regards, Howard On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: hello: this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am sure some one here will try it to smile lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some additional input. -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__accessinghigherground.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=j1LBl7RiGPCPCxi_WY_rS_GvyQPxrGHjawv-2qzw2xs&e=> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. 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This is happening with my instructor now, but other students we serve have the same problem. They read that Canvas is accessible, or the student says they can read the ebook fine with their AT so the instructor feels the course is accessible. But more and more of these ebooks require integrated exercises. And it?s worse when you can?t move on to exercise Y until you complete exercise X! I was talking with one of our counselors yesterday about a different problem a student was having accessing an exam, and the counselor asked me if the instructor had taken our training on creating accessible content in Canvas. We have great trainings at our college!!! But most instructors don?t actually create content in Canvas, which makes it irrelevant. All bets are off once the instructor depends on the publisher?s sales pitch! From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of glen walker Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:22 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content I agree with FS that an app that has a DnD interface fails WCAG 2.1.1 if there isn't a keyboard way to perform the same function (such as reordering a list). It's too bad JAWS doesn't have any keys to get around that. With VoiceOver on iOS, you can often press and hold an element to drag it to a new location and VoiceOver will give you feedback of where you're dragging it to. That's if the app is coded correctly. It's a pretty cool feature. On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:00 AM Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote: I emailed FS tech support just in case I was missing something ? unfortunately, the problem is the courseware and not me. Here?s their response; I?ve removed my serial numbers from this post. From: support@vispero.com<mailto:support@vispero.com> <support@vispero.com<mailto:support@vispero.com>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:52 AM To: Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> Cc: training@vispero.com<mailto:training@vispero.com>; support@freedomscientific.com<mailto:support@freedomscientific.com> Subject: Vispero Case# 00508248, JAWS web access questions [ ref:_00Df21A3ry._5005w1digoK:ref ] Hello Deborah: Thank you for contacting Vispero? Technical Support. Drag and drop doesn't work if the location of either the dragging or the dropping cannot be seen at the same time. Having users use drag and drop only goes against Web Content Accessibility Guidelines for web site and application development. There are not any specific JAWS settings to improve Firefox?. I find that Chrome and the new Edge provide the best accessibility experience on the web. If you need to use Firefox, version 80 is the latest build. Please know all email communications in this thread will be automatically added to your case until resolved. If you need to contact us by telephone, use the number of 727)803-8600, and please reference this case number so we can better assist you. Regards,, Sarai, Vispero --------------- Original Message --------------- From: Deborah Armstrong [armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>] Sent: 9/19/2020 8:56 PM To: support@freedomscientific.com<mailto:support@freedomscientific.com> Cc: training@vispero.com<mailto:training@vispero.com> Subject: JAWS web access questions Work serial: 415XXXXXX Home serial 198XXXXXX JAWS version: 2020.2008.24 ILM Windows version: 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) Dear JAWS support, I am an experienced JAWS user and an experienced online learner. But I?m having more and more trouble with two issues using JAWS with online courseware. I have Windows 10 with all updates applied (I run enterprise at work and the Windows 10 Home at Home. I have Edge, Chrome, Firefox and the deprecated IE. All are kept updated. Problem #1: Drag and drop. I know JAWS has a drag and drop feature I?ve used occasionally, but does it still work now that the JAWS cursor is a scan cursor and it can?t always see everything? And more important, will it work on the web? More and more instructional sites want students to drag and drop items to reorder them, and I have not been able to find a keyboard accessible way to do this, nor has the JAWS drag and drop worked. Am I correct that it is not possible to execute a drag and drop operation with JAWS within a browser? Problem #2: clickable elements. Some clickable elements seem to just ?work? even though JAWS doesn?t announce them as clickable. When I press Enter on them, they activate exactly like a true link. Others don?t even though I?ve positioned the virtual cursor on something that I?ve been told is a clickable element. Also I find that JAWS says ?clickable? more often with Firefox, but is able to activate fewer elements than it is with Chrome. Is there some JAWS setting that will improve the ability of JAWS to activate clickable elements? One problem I have here is some courseware requires the use of Firefox, yet Chrome performs better on its clickable elements. However when I get to items in the courseware that are not compatible with Chrome, they of course don?t work, and I have to use Firefox. But I often need Chrome to even reach these items. Since all of this is behind a paywall on a password protected site, it?s nearly impossible to switch browsers, especially since the page addresses are dynamically generated. 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HTH Alex Marositz Information Security and Compliance Office Information Technology California State University, Dominguez Hills E: ATI@csudh.edu<mailto:ATI@csudh.edu> https://www.csudh.edu/it/security-compliance/ From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Kate Deibel Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 7:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] LATex Training There are several great books out there on LaTeX. I learned primarily through "Math Into Latex" back in the last century. The LaTeX wikibook<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX__;!!P7nkOOY!9mRhmJ0l19J4IYhGdqBDuRgQAgJMMKHOB-hK2c8nOhB4LTkNcKqhZmSLsqoxKojRHQ$> is also a great resource. While not lesson plans, they suggest a good flow/direction for what points to cover when. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>) <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] LATex Training Hello Everyone, I am working with a student who needs to learn to use LaTex. Does anyone know of lessons or a lesson plan for learning LaTex? Thanks, David Schwarte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 5:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Kindle books won't read? When I train students to use Kindle books, the first thing I show them is to look in the details section and make sure the TTS option is enabled. If it is not, the book will not read in the Kindle app as expected. I'm not sure if this title has TTS enabled or not, but that is probably the issue. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:10 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [EXT][Athen] Kindle books won't read? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. One of my students who uses her Kindle to simultaneously hear and see her textbooks just bought a Paralegal textbook that her Kindle could not read. I use my Kindle all the time but mostly for recreation and have never found a book it couldn't read. But I rarely read textbooks on it. Anyway, I helped her get her money back but I wonder how common this is, especially for textbooks that are mostly text-based like this one. (The below ISBN is I believe the print one.) Title: Law Office Management for Paralegals Author: Laurel A. Vietzen ISBN 10: 1543813828 ISBN 13: 9781543813821 Publisher: Aspen Publishers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200922/7af19044/attachment.html> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Sep 22 10:11:52 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 22 10:12:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] I need a training .... Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB336682E7A94D8B2349E392EFB13B0@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> So I've been doing alt media for twenty years. But more and more of the information I have is possibly out of date. And now working from home, it's difficult to get updated training. What I really need more kinformation on at this time are which tools can be used within Canvas or other LMS platforms for print-impaired folk. I know all about screen readers, being a user, but less when it comes to tools for simple speech web reading and magnification. For just two examples, a student who uses Central Access Reader, and another who uses Natural Reader both asked me if their book was inside the publisher's courseware if their readers could read it. Another student who didn't know the name of their tool asked if they could read/magnify their tests in Canvas. I have no idea! We do have an AT instructor and I just send everyone to her. But I hate being so ignorant! The last time I had a good intro was at least ten years ago. We used to have a great training program in California that is no longer. I need a good overview of what's out there, what's free, what's not and what will help the majority of my distance learning students! Oh, and my college isn't spending any money on training either these days. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200922/183e6dc7/attachment.html> From Jeremy.Zhe-Heimerman at cortland.edu Tue Sep 22 12:51:39 2020 From: Jeremy.Zhe-Heimerman at cortland.edu (Jeremy Zhe-Heimerman) Date: Tue Sep 22 12:52:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] Vista Higher Learning and other introductory Spanish products and accessibility Message-ID: <BLAPR19MB41645728DF1E9159C3C8163AA93B0@BLAPR19MB4164.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> Hi folks, Has anyone had any luck with introductory Spanish products out there that are accessible with JAWS? We have run into problems with Vista Higher Learning and I'm wondering if folks are aware of alternative solutions. This is a situation where the department has built their entire curriculum on VHL and we have a new student who needs to take 4 semesters of Spanish, but the content is not accessible. We are wondering if we will need to have the department create their own accessible content or if there are accessible alternatives they could purchase instead. Thanks! 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The online textbook reads quite well with Jaws as far as the actual text goes, but there are diagrams that do not have alt text. There are exercises embedded within the textbook, and one of the exercises was a drag and drop exercise where you had to drag a definition to the matching term. This exercise is accessible with Jaws. What you do is read the definition, press enter to select the definition, and then when you arrow down, Jaws repeats the definition and then reads the term. You keep arrowing down till you hear the term you think is correct, and press enter to drop (match) that definition to that term. Of course, all is not well as I could not get this to work with VoiceOver on the Mac. It's not perfect, for sure, but I was quite excited to be able to complete that matching exercise successfully with Jaws! Take care all, Russell From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:38 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content Unfortunately, I don?t think most of these publisher-created course materials work with iOS. This McGraw-Hill connect complains if you use Chrome; it wants you to use Firefox. But then it loads proctorio for exams and asks you to use Chrome! It also wants you to enable the deprecated flash. Another issue is that instructors don?t get it. This is happening with my instructor now, but other students we serve have the same problem. They read that Canvas is accessible, or the student says they can read the ebook fine with their AT so the instructor feels the course is accessible. But more and more of these ebooks require integrated exercises. And it?s worse when you can?t move on to exercise Y until you complete exercise X! I was talking with one of our counselors yesterday about a different problem a student was having accessing an exam, and the counselor asked me if the instructor had taken our training on creating accessible content in Canvas. We have great trainings at our college!!! But most instructors don?t actually create content in Canvas, which makes it irrelevant. All bets are off once the instructor depends on the publisher?s sales pitch! From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of glen walker Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:22 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content I agree with FS that an app that has a DnD interface fails WCAG 2.1.1 if there isn't a keyboard way to perform the same function (such as reordering a list). It's too bad JAWS doesn't have any keys to get around that. With VoiceOver on iOS, you can often press and hold an element to drag it to a new location and VoiceOver will give you feedback of where you're dragging it to. That's if the app is coded correctly. It's a pretty cool feature. On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:00 AM Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote: I emailed FS tech support just in case I was missing something ? unfortunately, the problem is the courseware and not me. Here?s their response; I?ve removed my serial numbers from this post. From: support@vispero.com<mailto:support@vispero.com> <support@vispero.com<mailto:support@vispero.com>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:52 AM To: Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> Cc: training@vispero.com<mailto:training@vispero.com>; support@freedomscientific.com<mailto:support@freedomscientific.com> Subject: Vispero Case# 00508248, JAWS web access questions [ ref:_00Df21A3ry._5005w1digoK:ref ] Hello Deborah: Thank you for contacting Vispero? Technical Support. Drag and drop doesn't work if the location of either the dragging or the dropping cannot be seen at the same time. Having users use drag and drop only goes against Web Content Accessibility Guidelines for web site and application development. There are not any specific JAWS settings to improve Firefox?. I find that Chrome and the new Edge provide the best accessibility experience on the web. If you need to use Firefox, version 80 is the latest build. Please know all email communications in this thread will be automatically added to your case until resolved. If you need to contact us by telephone, use the number of 727)803-8600, and please reference this case number so we can better assist you. Regards,, Sarai, Vispero --------------- Original Message --------------- From: Deborah Armstrong [armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>] Sent: 9/19/2020 8:56 PM To: support@freedomscientific.com<mailto:support@freedomscientific.com> Cc: training@vispero.com<mailto:training@vispero.com> Subject: JAWS web access questions Work serial: 415XXXXXX Home serial 198XXXXXX JAWS version: 2020.2008.24 ILM Windows version: 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) Dear JAWS support, I am an experienced JAWS user and an experienced online learner. But I?m having more and more trouble with two issues using JAWS with online courseware. I have Windows 10 with all updates applied (I run enterprise at work and the Windows 10 Home at Home. I have Edge, Chrome, Firefox and the deprecated IE. All are kept updated. Problem #1: Drag and drop. I know JAWS has a drag and drop feature I?ve used occasionally, but does it still work now that the JAWS cursor is a scan cursor and it can?t always see everything? And more important, will it work on the web? More and more instructional sites want students to drag and drop items to reorder them, and I have not been able to find a keyboard accessible way to do this, nor has the JAWS drag and drop worked. Am I correct that it is not possible to execute a drag and drop operation with JAWS within a browser? Problem #2: clickable elements. Some clickable elements seem to just ?work? even though JAWS doesn?t announce them as clickable. When I press Enter on them, they activate exactly like a true link. Others don?t even though I?ve positioned the virtual cursor on something that I?ve been told is a clickable element. Also I find that JAWS says ?clickable? more often with Firefox, but is able to activate fewer elements than it is with Chrome. Is there some JAWS setting that will improve the ability of JAWS to activate clickable elements? One problem I have here is some courseware requires the use of Firefox, yet Chrome performs better on its clickable elements. However when I get to items in the courseware that are not compatible with Chrome, they of course don?t work, and I have to use Firefox. But I often need Chrome to even reach these items. Since all of this is behind a paywall on a password protected site, it?s nearly impossible to switch browsers, especially since the page addresses are dynamically generated. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/2508c48c/attachment.jpg> From hkramer at ahead.org Wed Sep 23 10:10:37 2020 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Wed Sep 23 10:11:21 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB2956878C56A801600388FA5DA53B0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <CAN57xLeU6pybVPr4ypHbZjE3rQnSXLFzhAMewtjE6H=Cpbzupw@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7pJUiTOxTjGGUi0KpRF93AhVLf+PV5Y732jt87D4JfScA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN57xLeyeee2M6B_4SDSBM3WcC3m_AkAHWxwjO-uhdJzfN-g6g@mail.gmail.com> <CAESOp7q3hx6-xGOg1ywEySaGXmycEeywrMuxaG_+LHzaJWM8Mg@mail.gmail.com> <DM6PR11MB2956520A16D29B883BD8F612A53A0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <CAN57xLfTZTdBcypkX3RmMf8Txnmhv6EQy4rbtZ0o9xn3SU3d=w@mail.gmail.com> <DM6PR11MB2956878C56A801600388FA5DA53B0@DM6PR11MB2956.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <CAN57xLeYpPYJTowHTDSGpXn9F4_xbXh+FDaEV8zQt1hFarjhwA@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I learned that about platformQ. It's not a fit for conferences - only large academic institutions. FYI - I've tested out Attendee Hub (from CVENT) and Lucy also tested it and it's the best regarding accessibility that I've seen. Not without some issues but significantly better than Whova. I received an email from a rep for a platform called OpenWater which they say is WCAG 2.x compliant. But it also seems to cost $8k at the low end. So more expensive than Whova - similar in cost to Attendee Hub BTW. Just thought I'd share that. -Howard On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 9:28 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu> wrote: > Howard/Lucy ? > > > > I just learned from PlatformQ that they only work with admissions or > enterprise-wide within a university. This is not a right fit for one-off > conferences. > > > > Lucy ? were you looking for conference or admissions platforms? > > > > Lori ? lorilane@illinois.edu > > Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> > IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design > Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 11:15 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova > > > > Hi Lori, > > > > I filled out a contact form for PlatformQ and was contacted by David Ross > dross@platformq.com. I haven't talked to him yet and haven't found a > mock-up or test version. I'll let you know what I find out. > > > > -Howard > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:44 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu> wrote: > > Hi Lucy and Howard, > > > > I am responding to each of you with my comments: > > > > Howard ? You are correct that Whova hosts multiple accessibility issues, > and they did provide their VPAT, but it did not reveal what they know or > understand accessibility. I asked during the demo to explain what they know > about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at > ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that > required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. > There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and > this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this > point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for > us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who > required to meet the WCAG criteria. > > > > > Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind > sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Lori > > > > ------- > Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> > > IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design > > Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > > > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On > Behalf Of *Lucy GRECO > *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova > > > > HELLO: > > I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND > > PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.platformqedu.com_conduit_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=03yCEDl9VcoB28eta28E-jG3DZ8OIIKueS6NYr90VK4&e=> > > IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND > A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS > IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE > VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR > TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > > Hi Lucy, > > > > Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep > (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. > Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals > some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app > and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out > anything more. > > > > I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually > better about accessibility. > > > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > > hello: > > this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch > platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one > fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. > please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am > sure some one here will try it to smile lucy > > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > > We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone > have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally > from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some > additional input. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground* *Conference - A Virtual Event* > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__accessinghigherground.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=j1LBl7RiGPCPCxi_WY_rS_GvyQPxrGHjawv-2qzw2xs&e=> from Nov > 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. 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URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/b8800b3c/attachment.html> From hkramer at ahead.org Wed Sep 23 10:12:10 2020 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Wed Sep 23 10:12:58 2020 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova In-Reply-To: <B655A7F8-A400-4CF0-ABD4-B99F196A91FF@umbc.edu> References: <CAN57xLeU6pybVPr4ypHbZjE3rQnSXLFzhAMewtjE6H=Cpbzupw@mail.gmail.com> <B655A7F8-A400-4CF0-ABD4-B99F196A91FF@umbc.edu> Message-ID: <CAN57xLedYew2eEqDHKnN8=xvtuGJv1b74Dp5ticUqWiVQGKbtQ@mail.gmail.com> Hi Stephie, The big question is accessibility. Do you have a contact at the Mid-Atlantic ADA that I could reach to for their feedback on accessibility of the platform? Thanks, Howard On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 3:46 PM Stephanie Lazarus <slazar@umbc.edu> wrote: > Howard, > > Mid-Atlantic ADA is hosting their annual conference via Whova online > as-we-speak. I?m attending as an online participant. This is a big > question, so I would direct you to their staff for consolidated feedback > about accessibility, as they would want a subsequent conference to build on > their experience. It might be hard to reach them while the conference is > underway, though I could imagine their staff attending AHG, so there might > be someone with crossover who has done some due diligence on accessibility. > > So far, it?s been smooth as an app for engagement and several sessions, > after roughly 4 days in. They did have an unnamed glitch this morning that > was overcome by pushing out the session on Zoom. They emailed the link to > participants well ahead of the 10:30 start time. > > Best wishes with the conference, > > Stephanie Lazarus > Accessibility Manager; ADA/Sec. 504 Coordinator > UMBC > 1000 Hilltop Circle Math/Psych 218 > Baltimore, MD 21250 > 410-455-5745 > > On Sep 14, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> wrote: > > ? > We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone > have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally > from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some > additional input. > > -- > Regards, > Howard > > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event > <http://accessinghigherground.org/>* from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration > will open up on September 11. 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I appreciate the information. Is this the website, https://www.cvent.com/en/conference-management? Do they have a test or mock-up site that I could test it out? Or do I need to contact them and ask for one? I also found OpenWater at https://www.getopenwater.com/. Both sites lack Accessibility Statement link or VPATS. (I gauge VPATS to see what they know or understand accessibility.) Thanks! Lori Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 12:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova Yes, I learned that about platformQ. It's not a fit for conferences - only large academic institutions. FYI - I've tested out Attendee Hub (from CVENT) and Lucy also tested it and it's the best regarding accessibility that I've seen. Not without some issues but significantly better than Whova. I received an email from a rep for a platform called OpenWater which they say is WCAG 2.x compliant. But it also seems to cost $8k at the low end. So more expensive than Whova - similar in cost to Attendee Hub BTW. Just thought I'd share that. -Howard On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 9:28 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu<mailto:lorilane@illinois.edu>> wrote: Howard/Lucy ? I just learned from PlatformQ that they only work with admissions or enterprise-wide within a university. This is not a right fit for one-off conferences. Lucy ? were you looking for conference or admissions platforms? Lori ? lorilane@illinois.edu<mailto:lorilane@illinois.edu> Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 11:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova Hi Lori, I filled out a contact form for PlatformQ and was contacted by David Ross dross@platformq.com<mailto:dross@platformq.com>. I haven't talked to him yet and haven't found a mock-up or test version. I'll let you know what I find out. -Howard On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:44 AM Lane, Lori <lorilane@illinois.edu<mailto:lorilane@illinois.edu>> wrote: Hi Lucy and Howard, I am responding to each of you with my comments: Howard ? You are correct that Whova hosts multiple accessibility issues, and they did provide their VPAT, but it did not reveal what they know or understand accessibility. I asked during the demo to explain what they know about accessibility, and he couldn?t answer the question. We looked at ON24, but it is so expensive! ON24 worked for a well-known client that required an accessible platform for their participants with disabilities. There were some parts that the developers ran out of time to work on, and this forced the client to remove some features before the event. At this point, we are waiting on Bravura to see if they would create a mock-up for us to test. They claimed that they had to fix the platform for a client who required to meet the WCAG criteria. Lucy ? Does PlatformQ provide a test or mock-up platform? Would you mind sharing the representative?s or developer?s name and contact information? Thank you! Lori ------- Lori Lane, M.Ed., CPACC<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.accessibilityassociation.org_cpacccertification&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=pkT2AOZ5NLZx7J_ooJ3y1dQKFiK13BKZCJQN7Kf6iOo&e=> IT Accessibility Specialist in Universal Design Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Whova HELLO: I SO FAR HAVE TESTED THREE OF THESE AND PlatformQ by Conduit https://www.platformqedu.com/conduit/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.platformqedu.com_conduit_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=03yCEDl9VcoB28eta28E-jG3DZ8OIIKueS6NYr90VK4&e=> IS THE ONLY ONE THATSEEMEDTO HAVE AMODACOME OF ACCESSIBLITY. WE DID FIND A FEW PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT THEY WERE NOT BLOCKERS AND THERE ACCESS DEV WAS IN ATTENDINCE AND I GOT GOOD VIBES FROM HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO FIX THE VARY MINER PROBLMES WE FOUND. WOULD YOU LIKE E TO ASK IF I CAN SHARE OUR TESTING REPORTS WITH YOU. THAKS LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: Hi Lucy, Whova seems to have accessibility problems and when you talk to the rep (or at least my rep), he doesn't seem to know much about accessibility. Still waiting for a VPAT and my tests with the desktop interface reveals some alt text and contrast issues. Terrill Thompson tested the mobile app and said voiceover had problems with it. Let me know if you find out anything more. I hope to test out "attendee hub" from CVENT next week. They are usually better about accessibility. Regards, Howard On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: hello: this is sutch a hot topic write now i have looked at three sutch platforms and frankly only one was even close to working once that one fixes the few miner things we found with it i can et you know witch one. please do let me know how this one works for you if you do test it. as i am sure some one here will try it to smile lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__webaccess.berkeley.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=S_daKMhmQMsvZH7BuiYxxleEv__m_WO_dU7j45BlPHM&e=> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org<mailto:hkramer@ahead.org>> wrote: We're considering using Whova for some of our virtual events. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of the accessibility of Whova? Anecdotally from colleagues I've heard that it's good but would like to get some additional input. -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference - A Virtual Event<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__accessinghigherground.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=Gpl4w7jydGGReyLP3IvodgHa0tWMsS4kYftkizCM78A&s=j1LBl7RiGPCPCxi_WY_rS_GvyQPxrGHjawv-2qzw2xs&e=> from Nov 9-19, 2020. Registration will open up on September 11. 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We welcome you to join AHEAD now.<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ahead.org_join_become-2Da-2Dmember&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=6BuRB1pgykFF8wDkWv7JBPBShpwfRtE29bXBCPVg6V4&m=HF_e2HiIrQUi3t1MaevCBa5XbGAyDjdm5RHd8j6ueIQ&s=leRdqFrtgrqbLcJ63N6STK47fBhvncZAvlTqpY4HaHw&e=> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/e9f909fe/attachment.html> From lgreco at berkeley.edu Wed Sep 23 10:46:05 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Wed Sep 23 10:47:13 2020 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Message-ID: <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current > students, faculty, and staff. > > > > We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully > use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. > > > > Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any > other screen reader? > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Best, > > > > Russell > > > > *Our new name is Access and Disability Resources* > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 > > F: 780-497-4018 > > macewan.ca > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory > is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour > and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First > Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/5a7ba49b/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/5a7ba49b/attachment.jpg> From lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu Wed Sep 23 10:53:41 2020 From: lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu (Lisa Brandt) Date: Wed Sep 23 10:54:06 2020 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? In-Reply-To: <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has changed. Lisa On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i > don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world > but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca> > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current >> students, faculty, and staff. >> >> >> >> We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to >> successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. >> >> >> >> Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any >> other screen reader? >> >> >> >> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Russell >> >> >> >> *Our new name is Access and Disability Resources* >> >> >> >> Russell Solowoniuk >> >> AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources >> >> MacEwan University >> >> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >> >> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >> >> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >> >> T: 780-497-5826 >> >> F: 780-497-4018 >> >> macewan.ca >> >> [image: MacEwan Logo] >> >> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is >> addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent >> reply, should be deleted or destroyed. >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email >> >> >> >> *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory >> is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour >> and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First >> Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Lisa Brandt Alternate Media Coordinator Disability Services 971-722-4340 Zoom Meeting Room <https://portlandcc.zoom.us/j/9717224340>: 669-900-6833, Meeting ID 971-722-4340 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/c9ac6a70/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/c9ac6a70/attachment.jpg> From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Wed Sep 23 12:16:25 2020 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Wed Sep 23 12:17:17 2020 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? In-Reply-To: <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB3043D6D23CA9DEB0686CD703C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Thanks Lucy and Lisa! Not very encouraging! Be well, Russell From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has changed. Lisa On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca>> wrote: Hi everyone, Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current students, faculty, and staff. We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any other screen reader? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Best, Russell Our new name is Access and Disability Resources Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca> T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca<http://macewan.ca> [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Lisa Brandt Alternate Media Coordinator Disability Services 971-722-4340 Zoom Meeting Room<https://portlandcc.zoom.us/j/9717224340>: 669-900-6833, Meeting ID 971-722-4340 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? Maria Spade Adaptive Technology Specialist Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University Learning Access Program<https://www.stockton.edu/lap>, J-204 101 Vera King Farris Drive Galloway, NJ 08205 609.652.4988 [Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] The information contained in this electronic message may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the material. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/204d06a2/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only thing I can think of is the student may be placing a microphone (for the computer, not the digital recorder) too close to the speakers and getting some kind of feedback. Again, I haven't had this happen and I've used headsets as well as web cams with microphones built-in. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Spade, Maria Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [EXT][Athen] JAWS and Zoom CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? Maria Spade Adaptive Technology Specialist Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University Learning Access Program<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.stockton.edu%2Flap&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf747592b1ab9468226a508d85ff8d3d3%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637364869882820890&sdata=%2Bh8ZdzxpejmRpR6QHv0Up45pFGYXVPNrVP%2BaPKCyLYE%3D&reserved=0>, J-204 101 Vera King Farris Drive Galloway, NJ 08205 609.652.4988 [Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] The information contained in this electronic message may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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We often use the recording feature of Zoom to capture screenreader and keyboard interaction with Zoom and other software to demonstrate accessibility issues with a variety of products... That said, we have noticed that JAWS is not as reliable as it's been in past years and have observed increasing crashes and malfunctions in a variety of situations. Typically a restart will fix, or a switch to NVDA. It's entirely possible that a combination of software (that may or may not include JAWS) can lead to strange behavior. There's a complex interaction of operating system, browser version, and screenreader version at work here that is not available in your description. I suggest contacting Zoom and Vispero support directly. -*- Dan On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:41 PM Spade, Maria <Maria.Spade@stockton.edu> wrote: > Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the > program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app > and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating > that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, > but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the > audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department > has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the > same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent > this from happening? > > > > Maria Spade > > > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > Pronouns: She, her, hers > > > > Stockton University > > Learning Access Program <https://www.stockton.edu/lap>, J-204 > > 101 Vera King Farris Drive > > Galloway, NJ 08205 > > 609.652.4988 > > > > [image: Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, > Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] > > The information contained in this electronic message may contain > confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the > individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify > the sender and delete the material. > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu <danc@washington.edu> Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And, is the recorder plugged into the computer? I can see where that might cause an issue along with what else is running in the background. I?d suggest that the student just ask the professor to record the lectures so they don?t have to do all of this? Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu<mailto:hunziker@arizona.edu> drc.arizona.edu<http://drc.arizona.edu/> | itaccessibility.arizona.edu<http://itaccessibility.arizona.edu/> 520-626-9409 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom External Email We have been testing/using Zoom for over four years. This has included use of JAWS, NVDA, and Voiceover. We have not experienced any loops such as what you describe. We often use the recording feature of Zoom to capture screenreader and keyboard interaction with Zoom and other software to demonstrate accessibility issues with a variety of products... That said, we have noticed that JAWS is not as reliable as it's been in past years and have observed increasing crashes and malfunctions in a variety of situations. Typically a restart will fix, or a switch to NVDA. It's entirely possible that a combination of software (that may or may not include JAWS) can lead to strange behavior. There's a complex interaction of operating system, browser version, and screenreader version at work here that is not available in your description. I suggest contacting Zoom and Vispero support directly. -*- Dan On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:41 PM Spade, Maria <Maria.Spade@stockton.edu<mailto:Maria.Spade@stockton.edu>> wrote: Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? Maria Spade Adaptive Technology Specialist Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University Learning Access Program<https://www.stockton.edu/lap>, J-204 101 Vera King Farris Drive Galloway, NJ 08205 609.652.4988 [Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] The information contained in this electronic message may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the material. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu<mailto:danc@washington.edu> Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/<http://www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/> University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I find Zoom to be really accessible with Jaws. Not sure what would cause the issues you mention. Good luck resolving the problem. Russell From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Spade, Maria Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? Maria Spade Adaptive Technology Specialist Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University Learning Access Program<https://www.stockton.edu/lap>, J-204 101 Vera King Farris Drive Galloway, NJ 08205 609.652.4988 [Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] The information contained in this electronic message may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the material. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is not keyboard only usable as well. Lisa got a nicer response than I did about addressing accessibility. The response I received was that it is not in our plans to add the ability to use a keyboard only. I guess I cannot expect a company that does not take the time to work with the Mac version of Outlook to spend time making their product more usable/accessible. Does anyone have a recommendation for a competitor that is willing to consider accessibility? Mainly, I use it for email and inner office correspondence. I want a solution that will work across devices as I switch between Mac, Windows, iPad, and Android throughout each day. This would also make me more comfortable to consider it for others. Thanks, Sean Kugler, M.Ed. Accessibility Analyst Disability Resources PO Box 5633 Flagstaff, AZ 86011 928-523-6042 From: Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu> Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 10:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has changed. Lisa On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca>> wrote: Hi everyone, Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current students, faculty, and staff. We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any other screen reader? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Best, Russell Our new name is Access and Disability Resources Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca> T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca<http://macewan.ca> [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Lisa Brandt Alternate Media Coordinator Disability Services 971-722-4340 Zoom Meeting Room<https://portlandcc.zoom.us/j/9717224340>: 669-900-6833, Meeting ID 971-722-4340 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3517 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/9c235027/attachment.jpg> From dkrahmer at colgate.edu Wed Sep 23 13:47:37 2020 From: dkrahmer at colgate.edu (Debbie Krahmer) Date: Wed Sep 23 13:48:07 2020 Subject: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB3043721F3A7AB8EEA38FFEF0C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> References: <BN6PR08MB3620723083DAC160F83AEF938E3B0@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <BN6PR08MB3620C6D6BD2CEA1E4C99B2098E380@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <QB1PR01MB3043721F3A7AB8EEA38FFEF0C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Message-ID: <CADG8U-p7FVtMAUYGTbirJrn6mez4JTGpWX0LaLfet42KFE=tCA@mail.gmail.com> I remember hearing that this was an issue back in the win7 days, but I hadn?t experienced it either. My vague remembrance is that either jaws had to be installed first, or zoom first in order to get it to work. Sorry I don?t have better memory. Thanks, D. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:36 PM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use Jaws with Zoom quite often and have never experienced anything like > this. I find Zoom to be really accessible with Jaws. Not sure what would > cause the issues you mention. > > > > > > Good luck resolving the problem. > > > > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > > *On Behalf Of *Spade, Maria > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:41 PM > > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > > > *Subject:* [Athen] JAWS and Zoom > > > > > > > > > > Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the > program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app > and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating > that they use a > > hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this > loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no > longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on > class sessions with the student, and we > > are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was > there a way to prevent this from happening? > > > > > > > Maria Spade > > > > > > > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/101+Vera+King+Farris+Drive+%0D%0A+Galloway,+NJ+08205?entry=gmail&source=g> > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > > Pronouns: She, her, hers > > > > > > Stockton University > > > Learning Access Program <https://www.stockton.edu/lap>, J-204 > > > > 101 Vera King Farris Drive > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/101+Vera+King+Farris+Drive+%0D%0A+Galloway,+NJ+08205?entry=gmail&source=g> > > > Galloway, NJ 08205 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/101+Vera+King+Farris+Drive+%0D%0A+Galloway,+NJ+08205?entry=gmail&source=g> > > > 609.652.4988 > > > > > > [image: Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, > Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] > > > The information contained in this electronic message may contain > confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the > individual or entity named above. If > > the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11480 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/85f84054/attachment.jpg> From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 13:47:58 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Wed Sep 23 13:49:00 2020 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? In-Reply-To: <EF739FF2-9C78-4915-8F00-2B7C40B49250@nau.edu> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> <EF739FF2-9C78-4915-8F00-2B7C40B49250@nau.edu> Message-ID: <CALiy=sujyf-PBx-7-mMFZpGh0jTBff7XJxEoCh2MxFwaZGgFFw@mail.gmail.com> Hi all with the screen reader + Grammarly question... This came up on an NVDA FAQ site recently and NVDA's response was to take a look at this grammar checker which IS a screen reader friendly model. Since NVDA and JAWS are similar in how one accesses elements on the screen, you might want to check this one out and see if it meets your needs. It's called ProWritingAid. https://prowritingaid.com/en/Account/Register2?returnUrl=%2Fen%2FAnalysis%2FEditor%3FscreenReaderFriendly%3Dtrue Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM Sean Kugler <Sean.Kugler@nau.edu> wrote: > I am a Grammarly user, but it irks me every time I use it. It is not > keyboard only usable as well. Lisa got a nicer response than I did about > addressing accessibility. The response I received was that it is not in > our plans to add the ability to use a keyboard only. I guess I cannot > expect a company that does not take the time to work with the Mac version > of Outlook to spend time making their product more usable/accessible. > > > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a competitor that is willing to > consider accessibility? Mainly, I use it for email and inner office > correspondence. I want a solution that will work across devices as I > switch between Mac, Windows, iPad, and Android throughout each day. This > would also make me more comfortable to consider it for others. > > > > Thanks, > > > > *Sean Kugler, M.Ed.* > > *Accessibility Analyst* > > *Disability Resources* > > *PO Box 5633* > > *Flagstaff, AZ 86011* > > *928-523-6042* > > > > > > *From: *Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu> > *Reply-To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 10:53 AM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? > > > > We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed > them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the > answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for > students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on > it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has > changed. > > > > Lisa > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > > sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i > don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world > but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. > > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca> > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current > students, faculty, and staff. > > > > We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully > use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. > > > > Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any > other screen reader? > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Best, > > > > Russell > > > > *Our new name is Access and Disability Resources* > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 > > F: 780-497-4018 > > macewan.ca > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3517 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/abdad76a/attachment.jpg> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Sep 23 14:03:09 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Sep 23 14:03:50 2020 Subject: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom In-Reply-To: <CADG8U-p7FVtMAUYGTbirJrn6mez4JTGpWX0LaLfet42KFE=tCA@mail.gmail.com> References: <BN6PR08MB3620723083DAC160F83AEF938E3B0@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <BN6PR08MB3620C6D6BD2CEA1E4C99B2098E380@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <QB1PR01MB3043721F3A7AB8EEA38FFEF0C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CADG8U-p7FVtMAUYGTbirJrn6mez4JTGpWX0LaLfet42KFE=tCA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB3366EDF34474181843727619B1380@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> JAWS works great with Zoom, but I bet your student is referring to Zoom-Text. Old versions of JAWS and Zoom-text did conflict because they each used a screen driver that interpreted what applications were sending to the screen, then passed the information on to the real video driver in the system. Their video intercept drivers did not play nice with each other. When Zoom-Text and JAWS merged in to fusion, those problems were fully resolved, but even before that the two companies had managed to wrangle out video intercept drivers that stopped interfering with each other. Now a new JAWS and an old Zoom-Text or vise versa might also be the culprit. Best thing is for the user to work only with JAWS or only with Zoom-Text, use Fusion or use NVDA with another magnification solution. --Debee From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Debbie Krahmer Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom I remember hearing that this was an issue back in the win7 days, but I hadn?t experienced it either. My vague remembrance is that either jaws had to be installed first, or zoom first in order to get it to work. Sorry I don?t have better memory. Thanks, D. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:36 PM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca>> wrote: I use Jaws with Zoom quite often and have never experienced anything like this. I find Zoom to be really accessible with Jaws. Not sure what would cause the issues you mention. Good luck resolving the problem. Russell From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Spade, Maria Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? Maria Spade <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.google.com/maps/search/101*Vera*King*Farris*Drive**A0D*0A*Galloway,*NJ*08205?entry=gmail&source=g__;KysrKyslJSsrKw!!A-B3JKCz!Ufa0EqA9hoFvBVGVfkcBQnrvL4rQfbURCKcEf_ZKDh4Fp3hGHkqUzm7zh_Vi4e_IpMditw$> Adaptive Technology Specialist Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University Learning Access Program<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.stockton.edu/lap__;!!A-B3JKCz!Ufa0EqA9hoFvBVGVfkcBQnrvL4rQfbURCKcEf_ZKDh4Fp3hGHkqUzm7zh_Vi4e-YH2jzVA$>, J-204 101 Vera King Farris Drive<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.google.com/maps/search/101*Vera*King*Farris*Drive**A0D*0A*Galloway,*NJ*08205?entry=gmail&source=g__;KysrKyslJSsrKw!!A-B3JKCz!Ufa0EqA9hoFvBVGVfkcBQnrvL4rQfbURCKcEf_ZKDh4Fp3hGHkqUzm7zh_Vi4e_IpMditw$> Galloway, NJ 08205<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.google.com/maps/search/101*Vera*King*Farris*Drive**A0D*0A*Galloway,*NJ*08205?entry=gmail&source=g__;KysrKyslJSsrKw!!A-B3JKCz!Ufa0EqA9hoFvBVGVfkcBQnrvL4rQfbURCKcEf_ZKDh4Fp3hGHkqUzm7zh_Vi4e_IpMditw$> 609.652.4988 [Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. 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If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the material. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list__;!!A-B3JKCz!Ufa0EqA9hoFvBVGVfkcBQnrvL4rQfbURCKcEf_ZKDh4Fp3hGHkqUzm7zh_Vi4e_OJnCunA$> -- ______________ Debbie Krahmer Preferred Pronouns: D/no pronouns Associate Professor in the Libraries Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian 304 Case-Geyer Colgate University 315-228-6592 dkrahmer@colgate.edu<mailto:dkrahmer@colgate.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mute turns your mic on and off; join and leav audio tell zoom whether to send the meeting audio to your speaker or not. It can appear to be a screen reader problem if your screen reader keeps talking and talking while you frantically attempt to leave the meeting audio on one of your devices. Luckily I practiced this when I wanted to join a meeting with both devices first. The feedback is truly ear-splitting! From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Spade, Maria Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 12:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? Maria Spade Adaptive Technology Specialist Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University Learning Access Program<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.stockton.edu/lap__;!!A-B3JKCz!UmYSxhKsBwbSpMhX7anQaanbvMg9Qrue4SvAUkC36McomsYkuUxnbLzV7SkVgM3zN-xJsA$>, J-204 101 Vera King Farris Drive Galloway, NJ 08205 609.652.4988 [Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] The information contained in this electronic message may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the material. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/978e988b/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11480 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200923/978e988b/attachment.jpg> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Sep 23 14:12:02 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Sep 23 14:12:34 2020 Subject: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB30437E95AD666D2CBA2947BAC8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> References: <BYAPR10MB3366DA4CE4C960BA200396DAB13A0@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <CANcjB1nqV_60Yvah8TGYC+PULmZdkNHPp292ke7H2i7mHPZo8A@mail.gmail.com> <BYAPR10MB33664E5050AB24FE87433FC3B13B0@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <QB1PR01MB30437E95AD666D2CBA2947BAC8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB33660F5C3ED8CB31253182B5B1380@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Many of Pearson?s tutorials work the same way; press enter on the item to drag, move to the place where you need to drop it and press enter. We even tested without JAWS, the developer, in this case Pearson had made them links which visually were invisible but behaved just like links or accessible clickable elements. So you didn?t need to use a screen reader to test this functionality. --Debee From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:26 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content Hi all, I just wanted to add a somewhat positive experience I ran into this term with an online textbook and its accessibility. The textbook, Sociology in Action 2E is being offered for Sociology 100 through Tophat. The online textbook reads quite well with Jaws as far as the actual text goes, but there are diagrams that do not have alt text. There are exercises embedded within the textbook, and one of the exercises was a drag and drop exercise where you had to drag a definition to the matching term. This exercise is accessible with Jaws. What you do is read the definition, press enter to select the definition, and then when you arrow down, Jaws repeats the definition and then reads the term. You keep arrowing down till you hear the term you think is correct, and press enter to drop (match) that definition to that term. Of course, all is not well as I could not get this to work with VoiceOver on the Mac. It's not perfect, for sure, but I was quite excited to be able to complete that matching exercise successfully with Jaws! Take care all, Russell From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:38 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content Unfortunately, I don?t think most of these publisher-created course materials work with iOS. This McGraw-Hill connect complains if you use Chrome; it wants you to use Firefox. But then it loads proctorio for exams and asks you to use Chrome! It also wants you to enable the deprecated flash. Another issue is that instructors don?t get it. This is happening with my instructor now, but other students we serve have the same problem. They read that Canvas is accessible, or the student says they can read the ebook fine with their AT so the instructor feels the course is accessible. But more and more of these ebooks require integrated exercises. And it?s worse when you can?t move on to exercise Y until you complete exercise X! I was talking with one of our counselors yesterday about a different problem a student was having accessing an exam, and the counselor asked me if the instructor had taken our training on creating accessible content in Canvas. We have great trainings at our college!!! But most instructors don?t actually create content in Canvas, which makes it irrelevant. All bets are off once the instructor depends on the publisher?s sales pitch! From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of glen walker Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:22 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS and access to course content I agree with FS that an app that has a DnD interface fails WCAG 2.1.1 if there isn't a keyboard way to perform the same function (such as reordering a list). It's too bad JAWS doesn't have any keys to get around that. With VoiceOver on iOS, you can often press and hold an element to drag it to a new location and VoiceOver will give you feedback of where you're dragging it to. That's if the app is coded correctly. It's a pretty cool feature. On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:00 AM Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote: I emailed FS tech support just in case I was missing something ? unfortunately, the problem is the courseware and not me. Here?s their response; I?ve removed my serial numbers from this post. From: support@vispero.com<mailto:support@vispero.com> <support@vispero.com<mailto:support@vispero.com>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:52 AM To: Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> Cc: training@vispero.com<mailto:training@vispero.com>; support@freedomscientific.com<mailto:support@freedomscientific.com> Subject: Vispero Case# 00508248, JAWS web access questions [ ref:_00Df21A3ry._5005w1digoK:ref ] Hello Deborah: Thank you for contacting Vispero? Technical Support. Drag and drop doesn't work if the location of either the dragging or the dropping cannot be seen at the same time. Having users use drag and drop only goes against Web Content Accessibility Guidelines for web site and application development. There are not any specific JAWS settings to improve Firefox?. I find that Chrome and the new Edge provide the best accessibility experience on the web. If you need to use Firefox, version 80 is the latest build. Please know all email communications in this thread will be automatically added to your case until resolved. If you need to contact us by telephone, use the number of 727)803-8600, and please reference this case number so we can better assist you. Regards,, Sarai, Vispero --------------- Original Message --------------- From: Deborah Armstrong [armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>] Sent: 9/19/2020 8:56 PM To: support@freedomscientific.com<mailto:support@freedomscientific.com> Cc: training@vispero.com<mailto:training@vispero.com> Subject: JAWS web access questions Work serial: 415XXXXXX Home serial 198XXXXXX JAWS version: 2020.2008.24 ILM Windows version: 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) Dear JAWS support, I am an experienced JAWS user and an experienced online learner. But I?m having more and more trouble with two issues using JAWS with online courseware. I have Windows 10 with all updates applied (I run enterprise at work and the Windows 10 Home at Home. I have Edge, Chrome, Firefox and the deprecated IE. All are kept updated. Problem #1: Drag and drop. I know JAWS has a drag and drop feature I?ve used occasionally, but does it still work now that the JAWS cursor is a scan cursor and it can?t always see everything? And more important, will it work on the web? More and more instructional sites want students to drag and drop items to reorder them, and I have not been able to find a keyboard accessible way to do this, nor has the JAWS drag and drop worked. Am I correct that it is not possible to execute a drag and drop operation with JAWS within a browser? Problem #2: clickable elements. Some clickable elements seem to just ?work? even though JAWS doesn?t announce them as clickable. When I press Enter on them, they activate exactly like a true link. Others don?t even though I?ve positioned the virtual cursor on something that I?ve been told is a clickable element. Also I find that JAWS says ?clickable? more often with Firefox, but is able to activate fewer elements than it is with Chrome. Is there some JAWS setting that will improve the ability of JAWS to activate clickable elements? One problem I have here is some courseware requires the use of Firefox, yet Chrome performs better on its clickable elements. However when I get to items in the courseware that are not compatible with Chrome, they of course don?t work, and I have to use Firefox. But I often need Chrome to even reach these items. Since all of this is behind a paywall on a password protected site, it?s nearly impossible to switch browsers, especially since the page addresses are dynamically generated. 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Perhaps if they hear "our institution will not consider a site license for Grammarly's inaccessible software, and we share that information with other institutions" would ramp up their awareness to the point of addressing such a distinct accessibility failure. That's essentially what we do here, and perhaps they would take notice. Ok, I'm a dreamer :) -*- Dan On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:55 AM Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu> wrote: > We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed > them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the > answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for > students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on > it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has > changed. > > Lisa > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i >> don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world >> but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. >> Lucia Greco >> Web Accessibility Evangelist >> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >> University of California, Berkeley >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk < >> solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current >>> students, faculty, and staff. >>> >>> >>> >>> We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to >>> successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any >>> other screen reader? >>> >>> >>> >>> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Russell >>> >>> >>> >>> *Our new name is Access and Disability Resources* >>> >>> >>> >>> Russell Solowoniuk >>> >>> AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources >>> >>> MacEwan University >>> >>> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >>> >>> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >>> >>> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >>> >>> T: 780-497-5826 >>> >>> F: 780-497-4018 >>> >>> macewan.ca >>> >>> [image: MacEwan Logo] >>> >>> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it >>> is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >>> information. 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Debbie Krahmer Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu<mailto:support@kckcc.edu>. I remember hearing that this was an issue back in the win7 days, but I hadn?t experienced it either. My vague remembrance is that either jaws had to be installed first, or zoom first in order to get it to work. Sorry I don?t have better memory. Thanks, D. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:36 PM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca>> wrote: I use Jaws with Zoom quite often and have never experienced anything like this. I find Zoom to be really accessible with Jaws. Not sure what would cause the issues you mention. Good luck resolving the problem. Russell From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Spade, Maria Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11480 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200924/8eda4079/attachment.jpg> From Maria.Spade at stockton.edu Thu Sep 24 06:15:31 2020 From: Maria.Spade at stockton.edu (Spade, Maria) Date: Thu Sep 24 06:15:50 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: JAWS and Zoom In-Reply-To: <BY5PR19MB3667729E57ABD24838E814B3DC380@BY5PR19MB3667.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> References: <BN6PR08MB3620723083DAC160F83AEF938E3B0@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <BN6PR08MB3620C6D6BD2CEA1E4C99B2098E380@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <CAFUsdKQoWkoV3ayDRAtJi0o8OVADtjzXA0UsJKCKM6=MnH36gg@mail.gmail.com> <BY5PR19MB3667729E57ABD24838E814B3DC380@BY5PR19MB3667.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <CY4PR08MB3622494033EEFD4599F4A0958E390@CY4PR08MB3622.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Thank you everyone! I shared some of the thoughts with our ITS department and they will be testing different things to try and fix the feedback. Maria From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 4:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: JAWS and Zoom EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT: The sender is not using a Stockton email address. Please use caution. Hi all, I too use JAWS and Zoom for testing. I recently had a student who had issues with JAWS due to the anti-virus software. Also, what versions of the software are being used? And, is the recorder plugged into the computer? I can see where that might cause an issue along with what else is running in the background. I?d suggest that the student just ask the professor to record the lectures so they don?t have to do all of this? Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu<mailto:hunziker@arizona.edu> drc.arizona.edu<http://drc.arizona.edu/> | itaccessibility.arizona.edu<http://itaccessibility.arizona.edu/> 520-626-9409 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] JAWS and Zoom External Email We have been testing/using Zoom for over four years. This has included use of JAWS, NVDA, and Voiceover. We have not experienced any loops such as what you describe. We often use the recording feature of Zoom to capture screenreader and keyboard interaction with Zoom and other software to demonstrate accessibility issues with a variety of products... That said, we have noticed that JAWS is not as reliable as it's been in past years and have observed increasing crashes and malfunctions in a variety of situations. Typically a restart will fix, or a switch to NVDA. It's entirely possible that a combination of software (that may or may not include JAWS) can lead to strange behavior. There's a complex interaction of operating system, browser version, and screenreader version at work here that is not available in your description. I suggest contacting Zoom and Vispero support directly. -*- Dan On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:41 PM Spade, Maria <Maria.Spade@stockton.edu<mailto:Maria.Spade@stockton.edu>> wrote: Hello. I have a student that is using JAWS and is reporting that the program conflicts with Zoom and create a feedback loop that crashes the app and disables them from engaging with the class audio. They are also stating that they use a hand held recorder, which is placed next to the speaker, but when this loopback happens and they sign back into the session, the audio is no longer being recorded. I have tested this, our ITS department has sat in on class sessions with the student, and we are not getting the same experience. Has anyone had this occur and was there a way to prevent this from happening? Maria Spade Adaptive Technology Specialist Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University Learning Access Program<https://www.stockton.edu/lap>, J-204 101 Vera King Farris Drive Galloway, NJ 08205 609.652.4988 [Image of Stockton's mascot, the Osprey. Text reads Soar Safely, Ospreys! Mask Up! Back Up! Wash Up!] The information contained in this electronic message may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the material. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu<mailto:danc@washington.edu> Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/<http://www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/> University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200924/f9a29081/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shouldn?t they be learning to write by reading well-written materials rather than having a computer catch their mistakes? Sometimes IMOH, a computer isn?t the solution! From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? That's a disappointing response, to be sure. Perhaps if they hear "our institution will not consider a site license for Grammarly's inaccessible software, and we share that information with other institutions" would ramp up their awareness to the point of addressing such a distinct accessibility failure. That's essentially what we do here, and perhaps they would take notice. Ok, I'm a dreamer :) -*- Dan On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:55 AM Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu<mailto:lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu>> wrote: We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has changed. Lisa On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/webaccess.berkeley.edu__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK5Q9W0mcw$> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca>> wrote: Hi everyone, Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current students, faculty, and staff. We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any other screen reader? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Best, Russell Our new name is Access and Disability Resources Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca> T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/macewan.ca__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK4UY6g4RQ$> [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. 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We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK4Bjr-smw$> _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK4Bjr-smw$> -- Lisa Brandt Alternate Media Coordinator Disability Services 971-722-4340 Zoom Meeting Room<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/portlandcc.zoom.us/j/9717224340__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK4KO-WjyQ$>: 669-900-6833, Meeting ID 971-722-4340 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK4Bjr-smw$> -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu<mailto:danc@washington.edu> Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK7GRXAeRA$> University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB3366C96968EA03EB7437AE05B1390@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAFUsdKTiDyh4-2aWeWBt00EbP49_s0pXg6ZZTcuh_tS9HMtzUw@mail.gmail.com> <BYAPR10MB3366C96968EA03EB7437AE05B1390@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <BYAPR01MB4888CB474398938870DFD7879F390@BYAPR01MB4888.prod.exchangelabs.com> I believe research has shown that technology does help improve literacy skills. Think of spell checkers and text-to-speech. Both researched based strategies shown to improve spelling and reading abilities. Adults who struggle with grammar may read many well-written materials yet still demonstrate a gap in writing skills. While there are those who will use grammar checkers for an easy way out, there are students who will learn because they are seeing a form of modeling using their own papers as a platform. How can we work together to get Grammarly to move the needle on accessibility? Janet From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? CAUTION: External Email Since we are all voicing opinions here, I think it?s pretty sad when any college level student needs to use a grammar checker. Shouldn?t they be learning to write by reading well-written materials rather than having a computer catch their mistakes? Sometimes IMOH, a computer isn?t the solution! From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? That's a disappointing response, to be sure. Perhaps if they hear "our institution will not consider a site license for Grammarly's inaccessible software, and we share that information with other institutions" would ramp up their awareness to the point of addressing such a distinct accessibility failure. That's essentially what we do here, and perhaps they would take notice. Ok, I'm a dreamer :) -*- Dan On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:55 AM Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu<mailto:lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu>> wrote: We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has changed. Lisa On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/webaccess.berkeley.edu__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK5Q9W0mcw$> Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca>> wrote: Hi everyone, Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current students, faculty, and staff. We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any other screen reader? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Best, Russell Our new name is Access and Disability Resources Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca> T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/macewan.ca__;!!A-B3JKCz!QU53bYKovHAMFjeUndAr7GkKsRZa2oquRuf-1tsaEUAFwIHOccDBgZFV3rOOtK4UY6g4RQ$> [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. 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If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200924/a46de89b/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200924/a46de89b/attachment.jpg> From lgreco at berkeley.edu Thu Sep 24 09:29:52 2020 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Thu Sep 24 09:30:48 2020 Subject: [Athen] [Micronet] Here's a fun conference all about accessibility and what else...games! In-Reply-To: <CAMPPDiUp=6DPNLvpYEnES8VehUaRdF+uUqw7Ls=SrNM-y79MpQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAESOp7oCkXhxo-nBUWLuvQT=Mf8MjUgFDqudCpuogByUW_PeiQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAMPPDiUp=6DPNLvpYEnES8VehUaRdF+uUqw7Ls=SrNM-y79MpQ@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAESOp7rW18gA7bNUXuSLeJz7Zt0dp+y7R7VNSqRmLSGQYpnq+w@mail.gmail.com> thanks Jasoni hope some of yu will be able to injoy one or two of these talks lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:05 AM Jason Miller <jason.c.miller@berkeley.edu> wrote: > Thank you for sharing Lucy. Here is a link to your talk, for anyone who's > curious: > > > https://www.gaconf.com/schedule/seeing-gaming-from-different-angles-differing-experiences-of-gaming-without-sight/ > > ??? > *Jason Miller **(pronouns: he/him/his)* > User Experience Developer > University of California, Berkeley > Enterprise Applications > Student Information Systems (SIS) > 2850 Telegraph Ave., Suite 600 > <https://www.google.com/maps/place/2850+Telegraph+Ave+%23600,+Berkeley,+CA+94705/@37.8581001,-122.2620148,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x80857dd4a05ef5c3:0xc6f8b4c9b52a4cda!8m2!3d37.8581001!4d-122.2598261> > (MC 3816) > Berkeley, CA 94705-1192 > > +1 407 324-6807 <+1%20407%20324-6807> > jason.c.miller@berkeley.edu > https://sis.berkeley.edu/ > https://technology.berkeley.edu/ > > <https://sis.berkeley.edu/> > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 5:15 PM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> Hello: >> >> I wanted to invite you to participate in a unique game accessibility >> conference: >> >> https://www.gaconf.com/schedule/ >> >> This conference has a lot of really high-end talks about the business of >> accessibility, and I am a speaker as well. My talk will be at 11:00 a.m. >> Pacific on the 28th. I am on a panel with 3 other blind people, and we will >> be talking about our experiences playing games. >> >> This conference is all about how to make video games more accessible, but >> I think many of the talks are applicable to websites and applications as >> well. >> >> Please sign up for this free event and enjoy: >> >> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/gaconf-2020-tickets-79315257069 >> >> Lucy >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The following was automatically added to this message by the list server: >> >> To learn more about Micronet, please visit the Micronet Web site: >> http://micronet.berkeley.edu >> >> Messages you send to this mailing list are public and world-viewable, and >> the list's archives can be browsed and searched on the Internet. 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Cheers, Russell From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? Hi all with the screen reader + Grammarly question... This came up on an NVDA FAQ site recently and NVDA's response was to take a look at this grammar checker which IS a screen reader friendly model. Since NVDA and JAWS are similar in how one accesses elements on the screen, you might want to check this one out and see if it meets your needs. It's called ProWritingAid. https://prowritingaid.com/en/Account/Register2?returnUrl=%2Fen%2FAnalysis%2FEditor%3FscreenReaderFriendly%3Dtrue Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com<mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com> 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM Sean Kugler <Sean.Kugler@nau.edu<mailto:Sean.Kugler@nau.edu>> wrote: I am a Grammarly user, but it irks me every time I use it. It is not keyboard only usable as well. Lisa got a nicer response than I did about addressing accessibility. The response I received was that it is not in our plans to add the ability to use a keyboard only. I guess I cannot expect a company that does not take the time to work with the Mac version of Outlook to spend time making their product more usable/accessible. Does anyone have a recommendation for a competitor that is willing to consider accessibility? Mainly, I use it for email and inner office correspondence. I want a solution that will work across devices as I switch between Mac, Windows, iPad, and Android throughout each day. This would also make me more comfortable to consider it for others. Thanks, Sean Kugler, M.Ed. Accessibility Analyst Disability Resources PO Box 5633 Flagstaff, AZ 86011 928-523-6042 From: Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu<mailto:lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu>> Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 10:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has changed. Lisa On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu<mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu>> wrote: sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca>> wrote: Hi everyone, Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current students, faculty, and staff. We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any other screen reader? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Best, Russell Our new name is Access and Disability Resources Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca<mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca> T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca<http://macewan.ca> [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Lisa Brandt Alternate Media Coordinator Disability Services 971-722-4340 Zoom Meeting Room<https://portlandcc.zoom.us/j/9717224340>: 669-900-6833, Meeting ID 971-722-4340 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB3043E1B701EEF07C40C78A34C8390@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> <EF739FF2-9C78-4915-8F00-2B7C40B49250@nau.edu> <CALiy=sujyf-PBx-7-mMFZpGh0jTBff7XJxEoCh2MxFwaZGgFFw@mail.gmail.com> <QB1PR01MB3043E1B701EEF07C40C78A34C8390@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Message-ID: <CAESOp7q3qaYvvNNqXgt=aYJSxJkTjy8EsV6Uk87SB3kzrg7eEw@mail.gmail.com> hay wink you got my attention have you used this? also could you let me know what list that was and or put me in tuch with some one that mite have used it with nvda so i could ask them what they did and so on i just gave it a quick try but i got stuck at write some thing how do i find the problems etcetera lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:59 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: > Hi Wink, > > > > Thanks for the information about ProWritingAid! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Russell > > > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On > Behalf Of *foreigntype@gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:48 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? > > > > Hi all with the screen reader + Grammarly question... > > > > This came up on an NVDA FAQ site recently and NVDA's response was to take > a look at this grammar checker which IS a screen reader friendly model. > Since NVDA and JAWS are similar in how one accesses elements on the screen, > you might want to check this one out and see if it meets your needs. It's > called ProWritingAid. > > > > > https://prowritingaid.com/en/Account/Register2?returnUrl=%2Fen%2FAnalysis%2FEditor%3FscreenReaderFriendly%3Dtrue > > > > Wink Harner > > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM Sean Kugler <Sean.Kugler@nau.edu> wrote: > > I am a Grammarly user, but it irks me every time I use it. It is not > keyboard only usable as well. Lisa got a nicer response than I did about > addressing accessibility. The response I received was that it is not in > our plans to add the ability to use a keyboard only. I guess I cannot > expect a company that does not take the time to work with the Mac version > of Outlook to spend time making their product more usable/accessible. > > > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a competitor that is willing to > consider accessibility? Mainly, I use it for email and inner office > correspondence. I want a solution that will work across devices as I > switch between Mac, Windows, iPad, and Android throughout each day. This > would also make me more comfortable to consider it for others. > > > > Thanks, > > > > *Sean Kugler, M.Ed.* > > *Accessibility Analyst* > > *Disability Resources* > > *PO Box 5633* > > *Flagstaff, AZ 86011* > > *928-523-6042* > > > > > > *From: *Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu> > *Reply-To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 10:53 AM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? > > > > We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed > them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the > answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for > students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on > it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has > changed. > > > > Lisa > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > > sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i > don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world > but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. > > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca> > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current > students, faculty, and staff. > > > > We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to successfully > use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. > > > > Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any > other screen reader? > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Best, > > > > Russell > > > > *Our new name is Access and Disability Resources* > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 > > F: 780-497-4018 > > macewan.ca > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory > is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour > and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First > Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Lisa Brandt > > Alternate Media Coordinator > > Disability Services > > 971-722-4340 > > Zoom Meeting Room <https://portlandcc.zoom.us/j/9717224340>: 669-900-6833, > Meeting ID 971-722-4340 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Schwarte From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Kate Deibel Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] LATex Training There are several great books out there on LaTeX. I learned primarily through "Math Into Latex" back in the last century. The LaTeX wikibook<https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX> is also a great resource. While not lesson plans, they suggest a good flow/direction for what points to cover when. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] LATex Training Hello Everyone, I am working with a student who needs to learn to use LaTex. Does anyone know of lessons or a lesson plan for learning LaTex? Thanks, David Schwarte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200924/db3d4107/attachment.html> From schwarte at purdue.edu Thu Sep 24 13:11:14 2020 From: schwarte at purdue.edu (Schwarte, David M.) Date: Thu Sep 24 13:11:48 2020 Subject: [Athen] LATex Training In-Reply-To: <BYAPR03MB4487FE147BDF753DB2DD676EBF3B0@BYAPR03MB4487.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <DM5PR22MB1658D371AF0F45CF7B380216AE3B0@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> <78f80f877a9d487aaa74db2f1dfa3d5c@syr.edu> <BYAPR03MB4487FE147BDF753DB2DD676EBF3B0@BYAPR03MB4487.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <DM5PR22MB165833AE576DF32F5E852689AE390@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> Hello Alex, Learning LaTex Piecemeal seems like a good idea. That's part of my problem with teaching the student. I learned bits and pieces after I graduated, and most of what I know is related to Mechanical engineering. This student is Computer Science and will probably be using different symbols and expression forms. Thanks for the help. David Schwarte From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Stephen (Alex) Marositz Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:46 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] LATex Training Hello David I agree with Kate, the Wiki is great. One suggestion, focus on what the student needs to learn, not everything at once. Think of it just like learning/using Nemeth for the first time, in that you don't need to know all of it right away. HTH Alex Marositz Information Security and Compliance Office Information Technology California State University, Dominguez Hills E: ATI@csudh.edu<mailto:ATI@csudh.edu> https://www.csudh.edu/it/security-compliance/ From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Kate Deibel Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 7:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] LATex Training There are several great books out there on LaTeX. I learned primarily through "Math Into Latex" back in the last century. The LaTeX wikibook<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX__;!!P7nkOOY!9mRhmJ0l19J4IYhGdqBDuRgQAgJMMKHOB-hK2c8nOhB4LTkNcKqhZmSLsqoxKojRHQ$> is also a great resource. While not lesson plans, they suggest a good flow/direction for what points to cover when. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>) <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] LATex Training Hello Everyone, I am working with a student who needs to learn to use LaTex. Does anyone know of lessons or a lesson plan for learning LaTex? Thanks, David Schwarte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200924/d4c045ad/attachment.html> From kndeibel at syr.edu Thu Sep 24 13:27:09 2020 From: kndeibel at syr.edu (Kate Deibel) Date: Thu Sep 24 13:27:28 2020 Subject: [Athen] LATex Training In-Reply-To: <DM5PR22MB165880E4EACC6AD204159E04AE390@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> References: <DM5PR22MB1658D371AF0F45CF7B380216AE3B0@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> <78f80f877a9d487aaa74db2f1dfa3d5c@syr.edu> <DM5PR22MB165880E4EACC6AD204159E04AE390@DM5PR22MB1658.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <33675c72307d4e1baeec039ade0c52a7@syr.edu> For what it's worth, the "Math Into LaTeX" book covers a lot of LaTeX basics, which is what I used to learn enough of the basics back in the 1900s. It was also my go-to reference for much of my time as a computer science grad student, including using it when publishing ACM articles. Only towards the end were there enough online resources that I didn't have that book always on hand. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 4:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] LATex Training Hello Kate, Thanks for the links. The wiki book looks very helpful. I don't know if the student will want to use Math into LaTex, but I probably will look into it. David Schwarte From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Kate Deibel Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] LATex Training There are several great books out there on LaTeX. I learned primarily through "Math Into Latex" back in the last century. The LaTeX wikibook<https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX> is also a great resource. While not lesson plans, they suggest a good flow/direction for what points to cover when. Katherine (Kate) Deibel | PhD Inclusion & Accessibility Librarian Syracuse University Libraries T 315.443.7178 kndeibel@syr.edu<mailto:kndeibel@syr.edu> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244 Syracuse University From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>) <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] LATex Training Hello Everyone, I am working with a student who needs to learn to use LaTex. Does anyone know of lessons or a lesson plan for learning LaTex? Thanks, David Schwarte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <CAESOp7q3qaYvvNNqXgt=aYJSxJkTjy8EsV6Uk87SB3kzrg7eEw@mail.gmail.com> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> <EF739FF2-9C78-4915-8F00-2B7C40B49250@nau.edu> <CALiy=sujyf-PBx-7-mMFZpGh0jTBff7XJxEoCh2MxFwaZGgFFw@mail.gmail.com> <QB1PR01MB3043E1B701EEF07C40C78A34C8390@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7q3qaYvvNNqXgt=aYJSxJkTjy8EsV6Uk87SB3kzrg7eEw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CALiy=stZR8ST5nA+FyUCgGzX-ZZKdp504bnpkx1p2uKa41K88Q@mail.gmail.com> Lucy, My go-to Q&A person for tech questions at NVDA has been Quentin Christensen. I found this info about ProWriting & NVDA on an FAQ site: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/anyone_experienced_with/5447142?p= I can dig further if you like? Wink On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:35 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > hay wink you got my attention have you used this? also could you let > me know what list that was and or put me in tuch with some one that mite > have used it with nvda so i could ask them what they did and so on i just > gave it a quick try but i got stuck at write some thing how do i find the > problems etcetera lucy > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:59 AM Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr@macewan.ca> > wrote: > >> Hi Wink, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the information about ProWritingAid! >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Russell >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On >> Behalf Of *foreigntype@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:48 PM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? >> >> >> >> Hi all with the screen reader + Grammarly question... >> >> >> >> This came up on an NVDA FAQ site recently and NVDA's response was to take >> a look at this grammar checker which IS a screen reader friendly model. >> Since NVDA and JAWS are similar in how one accesses elements on the screen, >> you might want to check this one out and see if it meets your needs. It's >> called ProWritingAid. >> >> >> >> >> https://prowritingaid.com/en/Account/Register2?returnUrl=%2Fen%2FAnalysis%2FEditor%3FscreenReaderFriendly%3Dtrue >> >> >> >> Wink Harner >> >> Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production >> >> The Foreign Type >> >> Portland OR >> foreigntype@gmail.com >> 480-984-0034 >> >> This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive >> quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM Sean Kugler <Sean.Kugler@nau.edu> wrote: >> >> I am a Grammarly user, but it irks me every time I use it. It is not >> keyboard only usable as well. Lisa got a nicer response than I did about >> addressing accessibility. The response I received was that it is not in >> our plans to add the ability to use a keyboard only. I guess I cannot >> expect a company that does not take the time to work with the Mac version >> of Outlook to spend time making their product more usable/accessible. >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a recommendation for a competitor that is willing to >> consider accessibility? Mainly, I use it for email and inner office >> correspondence. I want a solution that will work across devices as I >> switch between Mac, Windows, iPad, and Android throughout each day. This >> would also make me more comfortable to consider it for others. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> *Sean Kugler, M.Ed.* >> >> *Accessibility Analyst* >> >> *Disability Resources* >> >> *PO Box 5633* >> >> *Flagstaff, AZ 86011* >> >> *928-523-6042* >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu> >> *Reply-To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Date: *Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 10:53 AM >> *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? >> >> >> >> We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we informed >> them that the product does not meet our requirements for accessibility, the >> answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an offer of a discount for >> students who want to purchase an individual license. No "we're working on >> it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I don't think anything has >> changed. >> >> >> >> Lisa >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: >> >> sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and i >> don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it world >> but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having others. >> >> Lucia Greco >> Web Accessibility Evangelist >> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >> University of California, Berkeley >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk < >> solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current >> students, faculty, and staff. >> >> >> >> We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to >> successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. >> >> >> >> Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any >> other screen reader? >> >> >> >> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Russell >> >> >> >> *Our new name is Access and Disability Resources* >> >> >> >> Russell Solowoniuk >> >> AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources >> >> MacEwan University >> >> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >> >> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >> >> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >> >> T: 780-497-5826 >> >> F: 780-497-4018 >> >> macewan.ca >> >> [image: MacEwan Logo] >> >> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is >> addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent >> reply, should be deleted or destroyed. >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email >> >> >> >> *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory >> is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour >> and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First >> Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Lisa Brandt >> >> Alternate Media Coordinator >> >> Disability Services >> >> 971-722-4340 >> >> Zoom Meeting Room <https://portlandcc.zoom.us/j/9717224340>: 669-900-6833, >> Meeting ID 971-722-4340 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <CALiy=stZR8ST5nA+FyUCgGzX-ZZKdp504bnpkx1p2uKa41K88Q@mail.gmail.com> References: <QB1PR01MB3043637FEDEB31D46BECC1C7C8380@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7otirox_gSoqMjb2s9ERn5xYP-0kODDBUyA7fQ2rNhd_g@mail.gmail.com> <CAEbem9xkLXrNmPPbwewHe-EApz1SMcDnnJ7tQwYMCc4MGLbr4Q@mail.gmail.com> <EF739FF2-9C78-4915-8F00-2B7C40B49250@nau.edu> <CALiy=sujyf-PBx-7-mMFZpGh0jTBff7XJxEoCh2MxFwaZGgFFw@mail.gmail.com> <QB1PR01MB3043E1B701EEF07C40C78A34C8390@QB1PR01MB3043.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAESOp7q3qaYvvNNqXgt=aYJSxJkTjy8EsV6Uk87SB3kzrg7eEw@mail.gmail.com> <CALiy=stZR8ST5nA+FyUCgGzX-ZZKdp504bnpkx1p2uKa41K88Q@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAESOp7rBHkez4jdK1+txkx-KewSViVe_ABTfeu9S0=u8V31f3Q@mail.gmail.com> thanks i am going to try it this after noon with sited help to see whats going on wish me luck Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM foreigntype@gmail.com <foreigntype@gmail.com> wrote: > Lucy, > > My go-to Q&A person for tech questions at NVDA has been Quentin > Christensen. I found this info about ProWriting & NVDA on an FAQ site: > https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/anyone_experienced_with/5447142?p= > > I can dig further if you like? > > Wink > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:35 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> hay wink you got my attention have you used this? also could you >> let me know what list that was and or put me in tuch with some one that >> mite have used it with nvda so i could ask them what they did and so on i >> just gave it a quick try but i got stuck at write some thing how do i find >> the problems etcetera lucy >> Lucia Greco >> Web Accessibility Evangelist >> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >> University of California, Berkeley >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:59 AM Russell Solowoniuk < >> solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hi Wink, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the information about ProWritingAid! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> Russell >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On >>> Behalf Of *foreigntype@gmail.com >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:48 PM >>> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >>> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all with the screen reader + Grammarly question... >>> >>> >>> >>> This came up on an NVDA FAQ site recently and NVDA's response was to >>> take a look at this grammar checker which IS a screen reader friendly >>> model. Since NVDA and JAWS are similar in how one accesses elements on the >>> screen, you might want to check this one out and see if it meets your >>> needs. It's called ProWritingAid. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://prowritingaid.com/en/Account/Register2?returnUrl=%2Fen%2FAnalysis%2FEditor%3FscreenReaderFriendly%3Dtrue >>> >>> >>> >>> Wink Harner >>> >>> Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production >>> >>> The Foreign Type >>> >>> Portland OR >>> foreigntype@gmail.com >>> 480-984-0034 >>> >>> This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive >>> quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM Sean Kugler <Sean.Kugler@nau.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I am a Grammarly user, but it irks me every time I use it. It is not >>> keyboard only usable as well. Lisa got a nicer response than I did about >>> addressing accessibility. The response I received was that it is not in >>> our plans to add the ability to use a keyboard only. I guess I cannot >>> expect a company that does not take the time to work with the Mac version >>> of Outlook to spend time making their product more usable/accessible. >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a competitor that is willing to >>> consider accessibility? Mainly, I use it for email and inner office >>> correspondence. I want a solution that will work across devices as I >>> switch between Mac, Windows, iPad, and Android throughout each day. This >>> would also make me more comfortable to consider it for others. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sean Kugler, M.Ed.* >>> >>> *Accessibility Analyst* >>> >>> *Disability Resources* >>> >>> *PO Box 5633* >>> >>> *Flagstaff, AZ 86011* >>> >>> *928-523-6042* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1@pcc.edu> >>> *Reply-To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < >>> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >>> *Date: *Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 10:53 AM >>> *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < >>> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Grammarly with a screen reader? >>> >>> >>> >>> We met with Grammarly a couple of months ago for a demo. When we >>> informed them that the product does not meet our requirements for >>> accessibility, the answer was just "thanks for letting me know" and an >>> offer of a discount for students who want to purchase an individual >>> license. No "we're working on it" or "I'll take that back to my team." So I >>> don't think anything has changed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lisa >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lucy GRECO <lgreco@berkeley.edu> wrote: >>> >>> sadly the grammarly people have known about this from the start and >>> i don't think they ever spent any time fixing it. i would love it if it >>> world but hay maybe they think one disability keeps you from having >>> others. >>> >>> Lucia Greco >>> Web Accessibility Evangelist >>> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >>> University of California, Berkeley >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:39 AM Russell Solowoniuk < >>> solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> Our library is offering free access to Grammarly Premium to all current >>> students, faculty, and staff. >>> >>> >>> >>> We have an instructor who is blind who says he is not able to >>> successfully use Grammarly with his screen reader, Jaws. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do any of you know of a way to get Grammarly to work with Jaws, or any >>> other screen reader? >>> >>> >>> >>> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Russell >>> >>> >>> >>> *Our new name is Access and Disability Resources* >>> >>> >>> >>> Russell Solowoniuk >>> >>> AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources >>> >>> MacEwan University >>> >>> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >>> >>> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >>> >>> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >>> >>> T: 780-497-5826 >>> >>> F: 780-497-4018 >>> >>> macewan.ca >>> >>> [image: MacEwan Logo] >>> >>> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it >>> is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >>> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >>> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >>> action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent >>> reply, should be deleted or destroyed. >>> >>> Please consider the environment before printing this email >>> >>> >>> >>> *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory >>> is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. 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Digital Marketing Essentials by EdifyU ISBN: 9780998713816 Laura Loree, M.A.Ed., CPACC, CTFL EIT Accessibility Manager Accessible Technology Center Utah Valley University Email: laura.loree@uvu.edu<mailto:laura.loree@uvu.edu> Phone: 801-863-6788 Room: FL-111-F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200924/027e242f/attachment.html> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Mon Sep 28 15:50:40 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Mon Sep 28 15:51:11 2020 Subject: [Athen] Archive.org question Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB33667A7531A8EC888C0E26A0B1350@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> I had used archive.org for recreation but never before to download textbooks. I am finding several textbooks my students need there. I have been granted disability access, but even before that, I could download the books I wanted in Daisy. However I got this message when I tried to open the files: "The content of this book is protected. To read this book, you must use a device that has the appropriate key installed" Now I have a learning ally and a BARD key installed on all of our Daisy players plus all my personal players here at home. But I have three questions: 1) These books are etext and the players that need keys are audio only. How is this key thing supposed to work? 2) Even if I do get a key, how am I supposed to convert this file to the format my students need and/or want? The key is for a player, not a converter. Was I supposed to download in a different format? 3) And how do I get a key, anyway? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200928/8f5469e5/attachment.html> From kerscher at montana.com Mon Sep 28 18:46:27 2020 From: kerscher at montana.com (kerscher@montana.com) Date: Mon Sep 28 18:47:38 2020 Subject: [Athen] Archive.org question In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB33667A7531A8EC888C0E26A0B1350@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR10MB33667A7531A8EC888C0E26A0B1350@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <01c601d69602$58f9b870$0aed2950$@montana.com> Hello, This is complicated, but here you go: It was encoded using the NLS public key. So you need a player that has the NLS private key installed. This means that a player can decode the information and present it. However, if you have an audio only player that plays audio files, then it cannot do anything with the text files. I tested this way back when using a Victor Stream that has an EPUB reader. It worked fine. However, you are not going to be able to convert this title with what is available. I think there is perhaps one or two NLS authorized players that could work. It is poorly designed, and I made these observations. They did this, because NLS qualifies the people who can get titles available through the copyright exception, and the Internet Library does not have the facilities to manage individual user copyright exception authorizations. Best George From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 4:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Archive.org question I had used archive.org for recreation but never before to download textbooks. I am finding several textbooks my students need there. I have been granted disability access, but even before that, I could download the books I wanted in Daisy. However I got this message when I tried to open the files: "The content of this book is protected. To read this book, you must use a device that has the appropriate key installed" Now I have a learning ally and a BARD key installed on all of our Daisy players plus all my personal players here at home. But I have three questions: 1. These books are etext and the players that need keys are audio only. How is this key thing supposed to work? 2. Even if I do get a key, how am I supposed to convert this file to the format my students need and/or want? The key is for a player, not a converter. Was I supposed to download in a different format? 3. And how do I get a key, anyway? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200928/12bee72b/attachment.html> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Sep 29 07:57:57 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 29 07:58:33 2020 Subject: [Athen] Archive.org question In-Reply-To: <01c601d69602$58f9b870$0aed2950$@montana.com> References: <BYAPR10MB33667A7531A8EC888C0E26A0B1350@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <01c601d69602$58f9b870$0aed2950$@montana.com> Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB3366B032F59ADF0294D09448B1320@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Well I'm making progress - luckily I do love challenges and George, thank you so much. I downloaded several textbooks that looked interesting in Daisy and stuck them on my stream. They did indeed play because as a disabled person myself I have a BARD key. But of course, this doesn't fix things for my students; it just verifies this key thing works fine. And, they only play on the stream. I cannot open the files anywhere else, because I can't put a BARD key on a player that runs on Windows or the mac. I'll have to try them on my iPHONE with BARD mobile. But my students need there books, so I had to stop goofing off. I downloaded the format for Adobe digital editions, and I can open and read it. Now I just have to run it through Codex to zap the copy protection and my student should be able to open it in K3000! --Debee From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of kerscher@montana.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:46 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Archive.org question Hello, This is complicated, but here you go: It was encoded using the NLS public key. So you need a player that has the NLS private key installed. This means that a player can decode the information and present it. However, if you have an audio only player that plays audio files, then it cannot do anything with the text files. I tested this way back when using a Victor Stream that has an EPUB reader. It worked fine. However, you are not going to be able to convert this title with what is available. I think there is perhaps one or two NLS authorized players that could work. It is poorly designed, and I made these observations. They did this, because NLS qualifies the people who can get titles available through the copyright exception, and the Internet Library does not have the facilities to manage individual user copyright exception authorizations. Best George From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 4:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Archive.org question I had used archive.org for recreation but never before to download textbooks. I am finding several textbooks my students need there. I have been granted disability access, but even before that, I could download the books I wanted in Daisy. However I got this message when I tried to open the files: "The content of this book is protected. To read this book, you must use a device that has the appropriate key installed" Now I have a learning ally and a BARD key installed on all of our Daisy players plus all my personal players here at home. But I have three questions: 1) These books are etext and the players that need keys are audio only. How is this key thing supposed to work? 2) Even if I do get a key, how am I supposed to convert this file to the format my students need and/or want? The key is for a player, not a converter. Was I supposed to download in a different format? 3) And how do I get a key, anyway? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200929/9b33eaa7/attachment.html> From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Sep 29 08:25:50 2020 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 29 08:26:08 2020 Subject: [Athen] Archive.org question In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB3366B032F59ADF0294D09448B1320@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR10MB33667A7531A8EC888C0E26A0B1350@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <01c601d69602$58f9b870$0aed2950$@montana.com> <BYAPR10MB3366B032F59ADF0294D09448B1320@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB3366DD2199B0915E6789A188B1320@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Yay! Works. And archive.org has a lot of stuff, including textbooks. You can apply for disability access, but it turns out you don't have to. You can create an account which lets you borrow for 14 days - no account, you can only borrow for an hour. If you either borrow a book or have disability access, you can download either Daisy (which appears to only play on the Stream and other players that can take a BARD key and play text-only Daisy), or you can download the digital editions (pdf) versions. If you are a member of Bookshare, BARD or Learning Ally you can apply for disability access and get accepted immediately as it auto-logs in to their sites with your password for verification. But the Daisy opens only on playhers with the BARD private key. For your students with a BARD key and suitable player, the Daisy is the way to go. It's digital audio only. That's how I mostly read for recreation. But for anyone who needs to see the book, you'll need another format. Looks like there are some of the books in epub, but most do have a PDF download. It's not a PDF you get though: it's a file called"URLLink.acsm" which authorizes you to download only within Adobe digital editions, which is free and used by many online bookstores and libraries. Thank goodness I read a lot; I already had the needed tools. Once you fire up editions and verify the book looks OK, you now go in to your documents folder, subfolder My Digital Editions and find the book. Then if you have Codex installed, you can right-click and choose Remove DRM. Presto, you now have a file that opens in K3000! There are other drm-removal tools; I like Codex because it's accessible. http://jscholes.net/project/codex/ Codex is legal because it only removes DRM for books you legally can access. And because you can distribute them to other disabled students via copyright exceptions in the law you should have no concerns doing this. It's so cool to have another source for finding books. Search at: http://www.openlibrary.org From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Archive.org question Well I'm making progress - luckily I do love challenges and George, thank you so much. I downloaded several textbooks that looked interesting in Daisy and stuck them on my stream. They did indeed play because as a disabled person myself I have a BARD key. But of course, this doesn't fix things for my students; it just verifies this key thing works fine. And, they only play on the stream. I cannot open the files anywhere else, because I can't put a BARD key on a player that runs on Windows or the mac. I'll have to try them on my iPHONE with BARD mobile. But my students need there books, so I had to stop goofing off. I downloaded the format for Adobe digital editions, and I can open and read it. Now I just have to run it through Codex to zap the copy protection and my student should be able to open it in K3000! --Debee From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:46 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Archive.org question Hello, This is complicated, but here you go: It was encoded using the NLS public key. So you need a player that has the NLS private key installed. This means that a player can decode the information and present it. However, if you have an audio only player that plays audio files, then it cannot do anything with the text files. I tested this way back when using a Victor Stream that has an EPUB reader. It worked fine. However, you are not going to be able to convert this title with what is available. I think there is perhaps one or two NLS authorized players that could work. It is poorly designed, and I made these observations. They did this, because NLS qualifies the people who can get titles available through the copyright exception, and the Internet Library does not have the facilities to manage individual user copyright exception authorizations. Best George From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 4:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Archive.org question I had used archive.org for recreation but never before to download textbooks. I am finding several textbooks my students need there. I have been granted disability access, but even before that, I could download the books I wanted in Daisy. However I got this message when I tried to open the files: "The content of this book is protected. To read this book, you must use a device that has the appropriate key installed" Now I have a learning ally and a BARD key installed on all of our Daisy players plus all my personal players here at home. But I have three questions: 1) These books are etext and the players that need keys are audio only. How is this key thing supposed to work? 2) Even if I do get a key, how am I supposed to convert this file to the format my students need and/or want? The key is for a player, not a converter. Was I supposed to download in a different format? 3) And how do I get a key, anyway? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200929/6d2684a8/attachment.html> From hunziker at arizona.edu Tue Sep 29 09:26:30 2020 From: hunziker at arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Tue Sep 29 09:26:40 2020 Subject: [Athen] FW: ATHEN Discount Code for AHG Conference 2020 In-Reply-To: <E6D67B68-1D95-4D58-AE48-83F9ED83A736@colostate.edu> References: <E6D67B68-1D95-4D58-AE48-83F9ED83A736@colostate.edu> Message-ID: <BY5PR19MB3667C69E3D9CFDB59A886096DC320@BY5PR19MB3667.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> Good morning everyone, If you are an ATHEN Member, make sure to check your email inbox for a message from Shannon (see below for a copy). This message will include the code needed to receive the discount for the Accessing Higher Ground<https://accessinghigherground.org/> conference. As a reminder, we are now accepting nominations for the following ATHEN Executive Committee positions: 1. President 2. Secretary 3. Member-at-Large Details about the positions can be found in the ATHEN By-Laws<https://athenpro.org/node/3>. Feel free to self-nominate or nominate a colleague by emailing athenpresident@gmail.com<mailto:%20athenpresident@gmail.com>. Thank you and have a good day! Dawn ATHEN President Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu<mailto:hunziker@arizona.edu> drc.arizona.edu<http://drc.arizona.edu/> | itaccessibility.arizona.edu<http://itaccessibility.arizona.edu/> 520-626-9409 From: Lavey,Shannon <Shannon.Lavey@colostate.edu> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 8:49 AM Cc: ATHEN President <athenpresident@gmail.com>; Howard Kramer <hkramer@ahead.org> Subject: [EXT]ATHEN Discount Code for AHG Conference 2020 Hello ATHEN Members! If you are planning to attend the All-Virtual Accessing Higher Ground (AHG) Conference this year, the ATHEN discount code is (Code Removed). For more information on registering for the AHG Conference, please visit AHG Conference Registration<https://accessinghigherground.org/registration/>. Early-bird registration for the conference ends on October 5, 2020. Please do not share the ATHEN Discount Code with non-members, as membership status will be verified during the conference registration process. NEW THIS YEAR: In light of the unusual circumstances faced by many of us during this year, the ATHEN Executive Committee put forward a motion to have an automatic renewal of current memberships at no cost to members. In the next few weeks, you will receive a confirmation email that your ATHEN membership has been renewed - again, at no cost to you. * If you would like to verify your membership status, please contact Shannon at membership@athenpro.org<mailto:membership@athenpro.org>. We hope you can attend the AHG Conference, and thank you for your continued support of the ATHEN organization! Please let me know if you have any questions. Shannon Lavey ATHEN Membership Coordinator Shannon Lavey, MS, OTR/L, ATP Student Service Coordinator [Assistive Technology Resource Center Colorado State University] Room 301, Occupational Therapy Building P: 970-491-4241 shannon.lavey@colostate.edu<mailto:claire.simpson@colostate.edu> Assistive Technology Resource Center<http://atrc.colostate.edu/> Accessibility By Design<https://accessibility.colostate.edu/> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200929/1d7b635f/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What else should I know about providing alt media to students who use Chromebooks? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200930/724b9120/attachment.html> From Robin.Eckelberry at ppcc.edu Wed Sep 30 09:44:50 2020 From: Robin.Eckelberry at ppcc.edu (Eckelberry, Robin) Date: Wed Sep 30 09:45:38 2020 Subject: [Athen] Chromebook question In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB3366F5FBF27217D255E04202B1330@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR10MB3366F5FBF27217D255E04202B1330@BYAPR10MB3366.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <C0E597966BE3524E8E958C0C2B160B9449CCD848@CCCSONA74.cccs.ccofc.edu> Hi Debee, Can she save the doc file to her OneDrive, and then open it in the Office 365 online instead? My students who have Chromebooks are generally able to use all Office 365 documents and files through the Office 365 on the web. Sincerely, Robin [Pikes Peak Community College Logo, links to website]<http://www.ppcc.edu/> Robin Eckelberry MS Access Specialist Accessibility Services office 719-502-3325<tel:719-502-3325> fax 719-502-3444 main office 719-502-3333<tel:719-502-3333> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message from your system. Thank you for your cooperation and assistance. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Chromebook question CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. We don't use Chromebooks at all in our college; we're strictly Office 365. In fact we are discouraged from using the desktop office clients, but I use them anyway. One of my students says she cannot open the Word files I've sent her - attached to emails on a Chromebook. We do see students coming in from high school who only have Chromebooks. Is there any reason a Chromebook couldn't open a Microsoft Word doc prepared with the desktop version of Word 2016? What else should I know about providing alt media to students who use Chromebooks? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20200930/a12d922f/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Turns out this student thought she was getting an MP3 file. Just a very new student who apparently only got Mp3 files as an accommodation in high school. Apparently pushing the play button was her only skill! Wish high schools would attempt to give them at least a bit of computer literacy. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 9:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Chromebook question We don't use Chromebooks at all in our college; we're strictly Office 365. In fact we are discouraged from using the desktop office clients, but I use them anyway. One of my students says she cannot open the Word files I've sent her - attached to emails on a Chromebook. We do see students coming in from high school who only have Chromebooks. 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