From lydia at autistichoya.com Wed Dec 1 10:23:41 2021 From: lydia at autistichoya.com (Lydia X. Z. Brown) Date: Wed Dec 1 10:24:36 2021 Subject: [Athen] Syracuse NY: Syracuse University Libraries hiring IT Accessibility Specialist Message-ID: Just the messenger: Syracuse University Libraries is looking for an IT Accessibility Specialist to serve as the expert to test, document, and support procurement for hardware, software, and content. This person will work with the application development team to create accessible systems and provide remediation for systems that don?t meet accessibility standards. They will develop, maintain, and document accessibility best practices for current and future systems and content. Qualified candidates are encouraged to apply at https://www.sujobopps.com/postings/90097. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lucio) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:39:44 2021 Subject: [Athen] Assistive Technology World Record - This Friday December 3rd In-Reply-To: References: <0100017d7812dfb6-72706556-08db-48f9-a9e1-83eb67519199-000000@email.amazonses.com> <2E896DA4-0948-4D4A-B312-2FCA580BEEA1@umd.edu> Message-ID: Please share widely! Assistive Technology World Record - This Friday December 3rd [image: Chad Leaman] Dec 1, 2021 3:17 PM Chad Leaman A friendly reminder that you can help put Assistive Technology into the Guinness World Record this Friday! Take a free ? hour lesson on demand on Friday! Here are details: Ever thought you would get a chance to be part of a *GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS?* attempt? Here's your big chance! 30 minutes on Dec 3rd is all you need to help set a *GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS* title for "The most users to take an online DIY assistive technology lesson in 24 hours." Neil Squire's Makers Making Change program is aiming to set an #ATWorldRecord on the UN International Day of Persons with Disabilities to raise awareness of the need for affordable assistive technology (AT) solutions for people with disabilities. Please register now to participate in breaking a world record. https://www.ATWorldRecord.com Participants in our Guinness World Records attempt will learn the following about DIY Assistive Technology: *?* How DIY Assistive Technologies fill a gap for many people with disabilities. *?* How to use 3D Printing in creating DIY Assistive Technologies. *?* Where to find more open-source DIY Assistive Devices. *?* Experiences of people with disabilities using DIY Assistive Solutions. *?* How you can get started building DIY Assistive Technologies. Help to spread the word! Let everyone know that you are participating in a *GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS *attempt, by sharing the hashtag #ATWorldRecord and having them register on the website . Once you have registered, you will receive an email with a link. All you have to do on December 3rd is click into the lesson and watch the videos. Here is a sneak peek video of what you'll do to help be a part of making history. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out to me. Thanks for your support, Chad *Chad Leaman, CAE * Director of Innovation *T* 604 473 9363 ext.173 | *M* 604-561-8429 | *F* 604 473 9364 *Neil Squire offices across Canada are continuing to operate via virtual service delivery and by appointment for in person services.* 400 - 3999 Henning Drive, Burnaby, BC, V5C 6P9 We use Technology, Knowledge, and Passion to Empower Canadians with Disabilities *www.neilsquire.ca* This message and any attachments are directed in confidence to those named, and must not be reviewed, retained or disclosed without the consent of the sender or the named recipient(s). If you have received it in error, please delete it and notify us immediately. 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URL: From abs13 at stmarys-ca.edu Fri Dec 3 11:22:51 2021 From: abs13 at stmarys-ca.edu (Auston Stamm) Date: Fri Dec 3 11:23:34 2021 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Online Accessibility Training In-Reply-To: References: <7504A4E4-74E0-4161-AA53-03D67E4DCCE2@stmarys-ca.edu> Message-ID: Thank you, Doug! This is exactly the kind of feedback I am looking for. I will try to add a module about procurement because it is a very important topic. Please let me know if you have any questions and I hope you have a great weekend. *---------------------* *Auston Stamm, Doctoral Candidate, Educational Technology* *he / him / his* Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: abs13@stmarys-ca.edu On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Hayman, Douglass wrote: > Auston, > > > > I took a quick skim just now. > > > > One thing that stood out, maybe it is covered in a video and I missed it > since I didn?t watch those, was the need to add in procurement of > accessible IT. > > > > In higher education there is so much that is purchased from third party > vendors that becomes part of the institution?s overall offering. That > would include hardware and software. It is challenging to find anything > that is fully accessible. Vendors will offer up a VPAT and few of those > are useful and accurate. > > > > A couple of parallel developments are happening to aid those in higher > education in better preparing themselves to get at the right questions to > ask vendors beyond, ?Would you send me the latest VPAT for product X?? > > > > Getting contact info for someone in that external company who knows > accessibility and is actively working to improve that is essential as > opposed to writing to a generic accessibility@example.com address. > Getting the vendor to demo something like keyboard-only navigation, use of > the product with a screen reader like NVDA, to provide a roadmap on what > their next steps towards meeting WCAG 2.1 A and AA, and things like this > would be great to include. Then the students who take your course will be > better equipped in their efforts to create accessible learning environments. > > > > Doug Hayman > > IT Accessibility Coordinator > > Information Technology > > Olympic College > > dhayman@olympic.edu > > (360) 475-7632 (currently working remotely and don?t have access to this > phone) > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Auston Stamm > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 30, 2021 8:27 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] Online Accessibility Training > > > > CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware > of phishing and social engineering! > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am a doctoral student at Boise State University and working on a degree > in educational technology. I designed an online course to teach people > about document and web accessibility. The course is focused on teaching > working professionals about accessibility principles and helping them apply > those principles to their workflows. The course is just in a prototype > state and I am working on adding captioning and expanding/improving the > modules. However, I am supposed to gather feedback so that I can learn what > areas I should be focusing on improving. > > > > If you could check out my course using the info below and complete this > short Google Forms survey I would really appreciate it. > > > > Link To The Course > > Username: speedmr70@gmail.com > > Password: thisisatest > > > > Google Form Survey > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions and I hope everyone had a > great Thanksgiving break. > > > > > *--------------------- Auston Stamm, Doctoral Candidate, Educational > Technology* > he / him / his > Saint Mary's College of California > Student Disability Services > Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator > Office: (925) 631-5071 > Email: abs13@stmarys-ca.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[U] Jayna Phinney Instructional Technology Specialist, College of Science and Engineering Angelo State University Member, Texas Tech University System ASU Station #11041 San Angelo, TX 76909-1041 Phone: 325-486-6264 jayna.phinney@angelo.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 2072 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From smarositz at csudh.edu Tue Dec 7 08:29:31 2021 From: smarositz at csudh.edu (Stephen Marositz) Date: Tue Dec 7 08:29:44 2021 Subject: [Athen] Equations in Instructional Text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jayna I am not sure I fully understand your scenario but let me take a stab at it. Could you send along and example of a paragraph that have equations within the instructional text? In order to get NVDA to read math equations in Word, the end user must have Mathtype installed on their system along with MathPlayer. The trial version of Mathtype will work fine because NVDA only uses Mathtype to get the MathML. I hope this helps. Alex Marositz Accessible Technology Initiative Coordinator Information Security and Compliance California State University, Dominguez Hills From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jayna Phinney Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:48 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Equations in Instructional Text Hello All, We are revising a mathematics textbook that faculty on our campus authored about 20 years ago. We are working in the Word file and rewriting the equations with MathType. The project is going well except for the sections that have equations within the instructional text. We?ve been checking our work using MathPlayer, NVDA, and the Read Aloud feature in Word. The problem is that NVDA and Read Aloud don?t know how to read the equations in the instructional text, but there?s really not a way to alert readers that they need to switch over to MathPlayer, especially when the equation may just be a portion of a larger equation and it?s just a small part of the sentence. Does anyone have a solution for this, or are there any best practices? Thanks for any help you can offer. [U] Jayna Phinney Instructional Technology Specialist, College of Science and Engineering Angelo State University Member, Texas Tech University System ASU Station #11041 San Angelo, TX 76909-1041 Phone: 325-486-6264 jayna.phinney@angelo.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now, calculate [cid:image014.png@01D7EC0B.D1B1E110] and [cid:image016.png@01D7EC0B.D1B1E110] . Theorem: If the scale factor of two similar figures is [cid:image018.png@01D7EC0B.D1B1E110] , then the ratio of the perimeters is [cid:image018.png@01D7EC0B.D1B1E110] , the ratio of the areas is [cid:image020.png@01D7EC0B.D1B1E110] , and the ratio of the volumes is [cid:image022.png@01D7EC0B.D1B1E110] . Maybe a better way for me to summarize the problem is that we don?t know how to signify to the user that they need to switch from NVDA to MathPlayer for a portion of the sentence. Does that help identify the problem better? Thank you, Jayna Phinney Instructional Technology Specialist, College of Science and Engineering Angelo State University Member, Texas Tech University System ASU Station #11041 San Angelo, TX 76909-1041 Phone: 325-486-6264 jayna.phinney@angelo.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Alex Marositz Accessible Technology Initiative Coordinator Information Security and Compliance California State University, Dominguez Hills From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jayna Phinney Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Equations in Instructional Text (Jayna Phinney) Alex, Thanks for your reply. Here are some examples of equations in instructional text: * Consider the implication [cid:image023.png@01D7EC39.66D5AF10] . Which of the above is the inverse? * On a piece of paper, draw any triangle and label it ABC. Now, use a ruler to start a new triangle by drawing segment[cid:image024.png@01D7EC39.66D5AF10]that is longer than AB. Calculate [cid:image025.png@01D7EC39.66D5AF10] . Using a compass, at[cid:image026.png@01D7EC39.66D5AF10]construct an angle congruent to angle A. Extend the new segment to[cid:image027.png@01D7EC39.66D5AF10]so that [cid:image028.png@01D7EC39.66D5AF10] . 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Do a little test with it and see if it will work for you. Keith Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO 63376 kkolander@stchas.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Stephen Marositz Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 10:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Equations in Instructional Text CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hello Jayna I am not sure I fully understand your scenario but let me take a stab at it. Could you send along and example of a paragraph that have equations within the instructional text? In order to get NVDA to read math equations in Word, the end user must have Mathtype installed on their system along with MathPlayer. The trial version of Mathtype will work fine because NVDA only uses Mathtype to get the MathML. I hope this helps. Alex Marositz Accessible Technology Initiative Coordinator Information Security and Compliance California State University, Dominguez Hills From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Jayna Phinney Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:48 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Equations in Instructional Text Hello All, We are revising a mathematics textbook that faculty on our campus authored about 20 years ago. We are working in the Word file and rewriting the equations with MathType. The project is going well except for the sections that have equations within the instructional text. We?ve been checking our work using MathPlayer, NVDA, and the Read Aloud feature in Word. The problem is that NVDA and Read Aloud don?t know how to read the equations in the instructional text, but there?s really not a way to alert readers that they need to switch over to MathPlayer, especially when the equation may just be a portion of a larger equation and it?s just a small part of the sentence. Does anyone have a solution for this, or are there any best practices? Thanks for any help you can offer. [U] Jayna Phinney Instructional Technology Specialist, College of Science and Engineering Angelo State University Member, Texas Tech University System ASU Station #11041 San Angelo, TX 76909-1041 Phone: 325-486-6264 jayna.phinney@angelo.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 2072 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Allison.R.Swanson at colostate.edu Wed Dec 8 15:57:37 2021 From: Allison.R.Swanson at colostate.edu (Swanson,Allison) Date: Wed Dec 8 15:58:14 2021 Subject: [Athen] Job Posting at CSU Fort Collins Message-ID: Hello all, See our position listing below, and please forward to anyone you think may be interested in applying. The Assistive Technology Resource Center at Colorado State University (CSU) is seeking applications for a full-time Campus Service Coordinator. Location: Fort Collins, CO Position Summary: The campus coordinator will be responsible for (a) coordinating assistive technology (AT) referrals, assessments, training and resources for CSU employees with disabilities; (b) providing direct assistive technology services and assessments for employees and students with disabilities; (c) developing and providing training content regarding AT applications and electronic accessibility; (d) consulting with faculty & staff needing assistance with creation of accessible course materials/electronic information; and (e) outreach to internal and external stakeholders. Further details on the position and instructions for submitting your application can be found by following this link: https://jobs.colostate.edu/postings/95884. To ensure full consideration, applications must be received by 11:59pm (MT) on January 7, 2022. CSU is an EO/EA/AA employer and conducts background checks on all final candidates. Inquiries regarding the position or the application process may be directed to: Dr. Matt P. Malcolm Chair, Search Committee Department of Occupational Therapy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 (970) 491-5202; matt.malcolm@colostate.edu Allison Swanson AT-IT Coordinator & Accessibility Facilitator [Assistive Technology Resource Center Colorado State University] 308 Occupational Therapy Building 970-491-0625 allison.r.swanson@colostate.edu Assistive Technology Resource Center Accessibility By Design -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you! -- *Laura Lanning: Set Up An Appointment * *Access Services Specialist for SGPP* *pronouns: she, her, hers*OFFICE 612-728-5120 *llanning@smumn.edu * *Access Services Website , SMU Website * SGPP Accommodations *SAINT MARY?S UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA* *School of Graduate and Professional Programs* *2500 Park Avenue* *Minneapolis, MN *55404 National Center for College Students with Disabilities Mental Health and Crisis Resources -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kndeibel at metageekery.org Thu Dec 9 11:58:06 2021 From: kndeibel at metageekery.org (Katherine Deibel) Date: Thu Dec 9 11:58:34 2021 Subject: [Athen] Syracuse NY: Syracuse University Libraries hiring IT Accessibility Specialist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a pared down version of my previous position there, which I recently left to join Prime Access Consulting. Anyone interested in the position is welcome to contact me about the nature of the job and work life there. Kate Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Accessibility Engineer and Consultant Prime Access Consulting From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lydia X. Z. Brown Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 1:24 PM To: Lydia's job board ; ATHEN (Access Technology Higher Education Network) ; DSSHE (Disability Support Services in Higher Education) Subject: [Athen] Syracuse NY: Syracuse University Libraries hiring IT Accessibility Specialist Just the messenger: Syracuse University Libraries> is looking for an IT Accessibility Specialist to serve as the expert to test, document, and support procurement for hardware, software, and content. This person will work with the application development team to create accessible systems and provide remediation for systems that don't meet accessibility standards. 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When I was working at Southern Oregon University, we could access the student's schedule, & the bookstore's database, obtain the book in electronic format from the publisher or another source such as Bookshare or Access Text Network and begin the conversion to alternate format well in advance of the beginning of the semester. The alternative text was not released to the student until they produced some sort of proof of ownership/possession which we then noted in their files. I hope this is helpful. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:54 AM Kluesner, Bryon wrote: > Hi all, > > > > When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do > you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such > as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought > from a friend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > 423-425-5251 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Christopher.Magliacano at mtsu.edu Wed Dec 15 11:03:17 2021 From: Christopher.Magliacano at mtsu.edu (Christopher M. Magliacano) Date: Wed Dec 15 11:03:37 2021 Subject: [Athen] Alternate text question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indeed, we do verify proof of purchase (or ownership) here at MTSU. Hope this is helpful! Chris Magliacano Middle Tennessee State University Adaptive Technology Manager James E. Walker Library, Room 174 Ph: 615-494-7705 | MTSU Box 07 E-mail: Christopher.Magliacano@mtsu.edu [MTSU True Blue Logo] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 12:54 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Athen] Alternate text question Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a "physical copy", whether used or bought from a friend? 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On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:56 PM Kluesner, Bryon wrote: > Hi all, > > > > When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do > you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such > as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought > from a friend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > 423-425-5251 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/ olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Additionally, this position serves as a leader in managing various alternative format projects, as well as assisting in various facets of the operations of the department. This position is 0.8 FTE, so the annual salary will be adjusted for 10 months of work per year. The employee will work July - April annually and will have the months of May and June off. The full listing and application information can be found at the following link: https://www.msudenverjobs.com/postings/18534 Please feel free to share with anyone who might be interested! --- Ione Priest (they/she) | Accessibility Technology Manager CPACC, DHS Certified Trusted Tester Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 303-615-0200 (office) www.msudenver.edu/access This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. 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Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? 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I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file . If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott wrote: > The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting > documention can be found at > https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ > > > > > > [image: Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] > > L. Scott Lissner, > > Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance > Officer > > Office of Institutional Equity > > > > (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); > Http://ada.osu.edu > > > > ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. > Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must > make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, > their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? > > *? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20* > > > > > > On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" < > athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu on behalf of > Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do > you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such > as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought > from a friend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > 423-425-5251 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please reach out to me if you're interested in learning more and I hope everyone is having a great week. *---------------------* *Auston Stamm, Doctoral Candidate, Educational Technology* *he / him / his* Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: abs13@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcb4y at virginia.edu Thu Dec 16 05:54:36 2021 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Thu Dec 16 05:54:44 2021 Subject: [Athen] Alternate text question In-Reply-To: References: <7DAA1C70-9D75-4A78-946E-7DBC804FB1D6@osu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Wink, Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this practice. Best, Brandon From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? 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I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info > page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: > https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file > . > > If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all > students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should > students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is > federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and > accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. > > My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. > Wink Harner > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: > >> The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with >> supporting documention can be found at >> https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] >> >> L. Scott Lissner, >> >> Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance >> Officer >> >> Office of Institutional Equity >> >> >> >> (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); >> Http://ada.osu.edu >> >> >> >> ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of >> opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too >> long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no >> matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their >> disability.? >> >> *? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20* >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" < >> athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu on behalf of >> Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, >> do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, >> such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or >> bought from a friend? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Bryon >> >> >> >> Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC >> >> Adaptive Technology Coordinator >> >> Disability Resource Center >> >> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga >> >> 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 >> >> Chattanooga, TN 37403 >> >> 423-425-5251 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. 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Best, B From: athen-list on behalf of Robert Spangler Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 9:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are telling the truth, so it seems appropriate. Robert On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype@gmail.com > wrote: Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3624 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Thu Dec 16 07:38:09 2021 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Thu Dec 16 07:38:45 2021 Subject: [Athen] Alternate text question In-Reply-To: References: <7DAA1C70-9D75-4A78-946E-7DBC804FB1D6@osu.edu> Message-ID: Yes, I totally agree. We have them sign it just to state that they purchased the book before we provide them with an electronic copy. Sounds like I need to read that whitepaper, though, to get the full picture! Thanks, Robert On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 10:33 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) wrote: > Why are the students signing that statement? If it?s because you are > obtaining copies from a service (like ATN) that requires them to make that > representation, then yes, you?re stuck with those terms when you use that > service. But that?s got *nothing* to do with federal copyright law. It?s > the publishers who operate ATN, using the service to avoid lost revenue. If > they followed principles of universal design and sold accessible electronic > versions of their books by default, they could save everyone involved a lot > of work. > > > > Best, > > B > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Robert Spangler > *Date: *Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 9:45 AM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Alternate text question > > As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they > bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have > documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not > a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's > not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are > telling the truth, so it seems appropriate. > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype@gmail.com < > foreigntype@gmail.com> wrote: > > Scott, > > I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info > page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: > https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file > . > > > > If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all > students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should > students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is > federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and > accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. > > > > My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. > > Wink Harner > > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: > > The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting > documention can be found at > https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ > > > > > > [image: Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] > > L. Scott Lissner, > > Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance > Officer > > Office of Institutional Equity > > > > (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665 <(614)%20688-3665> > (fax); Http://ada.osu.edu > > > > ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. > Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must > make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, > their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? > > *? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20* > > > > > > On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" < > athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu on behalf of > Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do > you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such > as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought > from a friend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > 423-425-5251 > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning > Resources (OLR) > > University of Dayton > > Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) > > Roesch Library Room: 023 > > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) > > For office hours and further OLR information, please visit > > go.udayton.edu/ olr > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the > reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or > any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > email in error, please "reply" to the sender. > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/ olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. 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Many of the required textbooks are only available on reserve from the library, they can?t even check them out for the semester. So, every student, including SWDs, are expected to have some format of the book. This is not discriminatory against SWDs, or any student. 2. There are multiple ways to acquire textbooks, and often at reasonable prices. Hard copy, new, used, rental, bought from a roommate or fellow student or the thrift store, electronic (kindle, Nook, etc.) Books are easily available the vast majority of the time at lower cost; there are a ton of options and choices out there. 3. Authors deserve to (and earned the right to) be paid for their work! I?m an author. I don?t give away my books for free and I don?t know any author who gives out their books for free. And we should not expect an author to give away their stuff for free. There?s the law, and then there?s THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I opt for that second whenever there is any question. 4. Publisher agreements, although not bound by law, often require that the student (or someone) have a copy of the book. Most publishers are generously providing files to us and not requiring us to provide them with direct proof (exception: Law book publishers). They trust that we are doing the right thing, and I don?t want to break that trust with them. Without publishers participating in the process, we will be back to the dark ages ? having to scan every single book we need. Let?s act with integrity, here, IMHO I think my policy for student ownership of the book is pretty liberal (see number 2 above) and methods for proof of ownership are liberal as well. Can students cheat? Of course. But I?m doing my due diligence as a Disability Services Professional and doing right by both the student AND the author/publishing house. This can turn into a very hot debate; but I try to see it from multiple angles, and do what feels like the right thing to do. And in my mind, SWDs don?t get a pass on purchasing classroom-required materials that every other student has to purchase. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are telling the truth, so it seems appropriate. Robert On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype@gmail.com > wrote: Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 3674 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From bcb4y at virginia.edu Thu Dec 16 08:30:18 2021 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Thu Dec 16 08:30:43 2021 Subject: [Athen] Alternate text question In-Reply-To: References: <7DAA1C70-9D75-4A78-946E-7DBC804FB1D6@osu.edu> Message-ID: Hi all, In a world where publishers make their works available in universally accessible formats, we could all close up shop and let the market work. I don?t think anyone would see that as a bad outcome. That?s not where we are right now, though, so we must balance the goals of copyright (to incentivize creativity by giving authors and publishers an opportunity to monetize their work) with the goals of civil rights (to provide equal dignity and opportunity to all). Forcing students who need accessible formats to jump through hoops and get special dispensation in order to access learning materials and participate equally in university courses is already unjust and wasteful (IMHO). Forcing them to buy inaccessible copies, too, undermines the copyright system because it removes the incentive for copyright holders to make their works available equally to all. If we require purchase of useless, inaccessible copies before we provide students with copies in formats they can read, there?s no reason for publishers to enter the market and provide accessible copies by default. They can keep on providing a broken, discriminatory product to the mass market and forcing folks with disabilities to seek special dispensation to get a special copy that (maybe) works for them. But if publishers lose revenue when they refuse to serve folks with print disabilities, they will have at least some market incentive to change their practice. Imagine if publishers decided to publish books with DRM that somehow prevented left-handed people from reading them ? books for Rights only. Then congress passes a copyright law saying that Lefties who want to read these books can get a free Left-accessible copy from a library or university if they provide a doctor?s note certifying they are Lefties. Would you feel it was somehow unjust to the publisher to provide that free copy? And if you required Lefties to buy a Rights-only copy before you?d provide them with a free copy, do you think publishers (who apparently are not interested in making books that are Right-accessible) would ever change their behavior? It seems to me that forcing the Lefties to buy copies enables the publishers? discrimination by ensuring they pay no market penalty for doing so. I have a hard time seeing how disability presents a different moral calculus. Best, Brandon From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question I am not the copyright police, but I WILL do my due diligence to be sure the student has done their part (they sign an agreement, and they provide some form of proof of possession). I have several justifications for doing so: 1. Every student is expected to have a book for class. They have multiple ways of acquiring those books. While the occasional student may be using a library copy, the vast majority are not. Many of the required textbooks are only available on reserve from the library, they can?t even check them out for the semester. So, every student, including SWDs, are expected to have some format of the book. This is not discriminatory against SWDs, or any student. 2. There are multiple ways to acquire textbooks, and often at reasonable prices. Hard copy, new, used, rental, bought from a roommate or fellow student or the thrift store, electronic (kindle, Nook, etc.) Books are easily available the vast majority of the time at lower cost; there are a ton of options and choices out there. 3. Authors deserve to (and earned the right to) be paid for their work! I?m an author. I don?t give away my books for free and I don?t know any author who gives out their books for free. And we should not expect an author to give away their stuff for free. There?s the law, and then there?s THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I opt for that second whenever there is any question. 4. Publisher agreements, although not bound by law, often require that the student (or someone) have a copy of the book. Most publishers are generously providing files to us and not requiring us to provide them with direct proof (exception: Law book publishers). They trust that we are doing the right thing, and I don?t want to break that trust with them. Without publishers participating in the process, we will be back to the dark ages ? having to scan every single book we need. Let?s act with integrity, here, IMHO I think my policy for student ownership of the book is pretty liberal (see number 2 above) and methods for proof of ownership are liberal as well. Can students cheat? Of course. But I?m doing my due diligence as a Disability Services Professional and doing right by both the student AND the author/publishing house. This can turn into a very hot debate; but I try to see it from multiple angles, and do what feels like the right thing to do. And in my mind, SWDs don?t get a pass on purchasing classroom-required materials that every other student has to purchase. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D7F270.4A975690] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are telling the truth, so it seems appropriate. Robert On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype@gmail.com > wrote: Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8918 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 3676 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From ecmatson at uidaho.edu Thu Dec 16 08:42:05 2021 From: ecmatson at uidaho.edu (Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu)) Date: Thu Dec 16 08:42:23 2021 Subject: [Athen] Alternate text question In-Reply-To: References: <7DAA1C70-9D75-4A78-946E-7DBC804FB1D6@osu.edu> Message-ID: Specific question for the group on this topic - how do you all handle students using books on reserve at the library. Our library doesn't currently have a way to offer an accessible format for reserve books. In my mind, it's not fair to make a SWD purchase a book when students without disabilities have access to the reserve copy. Thanks, Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho From: athen-list On Behalf Of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 8:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Hi all, In a world where publishers make their works available in universally accessible formats, we could all close up shop and let the market work. I don't think anyone would see that as a bad outcome. That's not where we are right now, though, so we must balance the goals of copyright (to incentivize creativity by giving authors and publishers an opportunity to monetize their work) with the goals of civil rights (to provide equal dignity and opportunity to all). Forcing students who need accessible formats to jump through hoops and get special dispensation in order to access learning materials and participate equally in university courses is already unjust and wasteful (IMHO). Forcing them to buy inaccessible copies, too, undermines the copyright system because it removes the incentive for copyright holders to make their works available equally to all. If we require purchase of useless, inaccessible copies before we provide students with copies in formats they can read, there's no reason for publishers to enter the market and provide accessible copies by default. They can keep on providing a broken, discriminatory product to the mass market and forcing folks with disabilities to seek special dispensation to get a special copy that (maybe) works for them. But if publishers lose revenue when they refuse to serve folks with print disabilities, they will have at least some market incentive to change their practice. Imagine if publishers decided to publish books with DRM that somehow prevented left-handed people from reading them - books for Rights only. Then congress passes a copyright law saying that Lefties who want to read these books can get a free Left-accessible copy from a library or university if they provide a doctor's note certifying they are Lefties. Would you feel it was somehow unjust to the publisher to provide that free copy? And if you required Lefties to buy a Rights-only copy before you'd provide them with a free copy, do you think publishers (who apparently are not interested in making books that are Right-accessible) would ever change their behavior? It seems to me that forcing the Lefties to buy copies enables the publishers' discrimination by ensuring they pay no market penalty for doing so. I have a hard time seeing how disability presents a different moral calculus. Best, Brandon From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question I am not the copyright police, but I WILL do my due diligence to be sure the student has done their part (they sign an agreement, and they provide some form of proof of possession). I have several justifications for doing so: 1. Every student is expected to have a book for class. They have multiple ways of acquiring those books. While the occasional student may be using a library copy, the vast majority are not. Many of the required textbooks are only available on reserve from the library, they can't even check them out for the semester. So, every student, including SWDs, are expected to have some format of the book. This is not discriminatory against SWDs, or any student. 2. There are multiple ways to acquire textbooks, and often at reasonable prices. Hard copy, new, used, rental, bought from a roommate or fellow student or the thrift store, electronic (kindle, Nook, etc.) Books are easily available the vast majority of the time at lower cost; there are a ton of options and choices out there. 3. Authors deserve to (and earned the right to) be paid for their work! I'm an author. I don't give away my books for free and I don't know any author who gives out their books for free. And we should not expect an author to give away their stuff for free. There's the law, and then there's THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I opt for that second whenever there is any question. 4. Publisher agreements, although not bound by law, often require that the student (or someone) have a copy of the book. Most publishers are generously providing files to us and not requiring us to provide them with direct proof (exception: Law book publishers). They trust that we are doing the right thing, and I don't want to break that trust with them. Without publishers participating in the process, we will be back to the dark ages - having to scan every single book we need. Let's act with integrity, here, IMHO I think my policy for student ownership of the book is pretty liberal (see number 2 above) and methods for proof of ownership are liberal as well. Can students cheat? Of course. But I'm doing my due diligence as a Disability Services Professional and doing right by both the student AND the author/publishing house. This can turn into a very hot debate; but I try to see it from multiple angles, and do what feels like the right thing to do. And in my mind, SWDs don't get a pass on purchasing classroom-required materials that every other student has to purchase. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D7F258.CCB66BB0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are telling the truth, so it seems appropriate. Robert On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype@gmail.com > wrote: Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block "0" Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu "The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody - no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability." - President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a "physical copy", whether used or bought from a friend? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. 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If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 9:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Specific question for the group on this topic - how do you all handle students using books on reserve at the library. Our library doesn't currently have a way to offer an accessible format for reserve books. In my mind, it's not fair to make a SWD purchase a book when students without disabilities have access to the reserve copy. Thanks, Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 8:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Hi all, In a world where publishers make their works available in universally accessible formats, we could all close up shop and let the market work. I don't think anyone would see that as a bad outcome. That's not where we are right now, though, so we must balance the goals of copyright (to incentivize creativity by giving authors and publishers an opportunity to monetize their work) with the goals of civil rights (to provide equal dignity and opportunity to all). Forcing students who need accessible formats to jump through hoops and get special dispensation in order to access learning materials and participate equally in university courses is already unjust and wasteful (IMHO). Forcing them to buy inaccessible copies, too, undermines the copyright system because it removes the incentive for copyright holders to make their works available equally to all. If we require purchase of useless, inaccessible copies before we provide students with copies in formats they can read, there's no reason for publishers to enter the market and provide accessible copies by default. They can keep on providing a broken, discriminatory product to the mass market and forcing folks with disabilities to seek special dispensation to get a special copy that (maybe) works for them. But if publishers lose revenue when they refuse to serve folks with print disabilities, they will have at least some market incentive to change their practice. Imagine if publishers decided to publish books with DRM that somehow prevented left-handed people from reading them - books for Rights only. Then congress passes a copyright law saying that Lefties who want to read these books can get a free Left-accessible copy from a library or university if they provide a doctor's note certifying they are Lefties. Would you feel it was somehow unjust to the publisher to provide that free copy? And if you required Lefties to buy a Rights-only copy before you'd provide them with a free copy, do you think publishers (who apparently are not interested in making books that are Right-accessible) would ever change their behavior? It seems to me that forcing the Lefties to buy copies enables the publishers' discrimination by ensuring they pay no market penalty for doing so. I have a hard time seeing how disability presents a different moral calculus. Best, Brandon From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question I am not the copyright police, but I WILL do my due diligence to be sure the student has done their part (they sign an agreement, and they provide some form of proof of possession). I have several justifications for doing so: 1. Every student is expected to have a book for class. They have multiple ways of acquiring those books. While the occasional student may be using a library copy, the vast majority are not. Many of the required textbooks are only available on reserve from the library, they can't even check them out for the semester. So, every student, including SWDs, are expected to have some format of the book. This is not discriminatory against SWDs, or any student. 2. There are multiple ways to acquire textbooks, and often at reasonable prices. Hard copy, new, used, rental, bought from a roommate or fellow student or the thrift store, electronic (kindle, Nook, etc.) Books are easily available the vast majority of the time at lower cost; there are a ton of options and choices out there. 3. Authors deserve to (and earned the right to) be paid for their work! I'm an author. I don't give away my books for free and I don't know any author who gives out their books for free. And we should not expect an author to give away their stuff for free. There's the law, and then there's THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I opt for that second whenever there is any question. 4. Publisher agreements, although not bound by law, often require that the student (or someone) have a copy of the book. Most publishers are generously providing files to us and not requiring us to provide them with direct proof (exception: Law book publishers). They trust that we are doing the right thing, and I don't want to break that trust with them. Without publishers participating in the process, we will be back to the dark ages - having to scan every single book we need. Let's act with integrity, here, IMHO I think my policy for student ownership of the book is pretty liberal (see number 2 above) and methods for proof of ownership are liberal as well. Can students cheat? Of course. But I'm doing my due diligence as a Disability Services Professional and doing right by both the student AND the author/publishing house. This can turn into a very hot debate; but I try to see it from multiple angles, and do what feels like the right thing to do. And in my mind, SWDs don't get a pass on purchasing classroom-required materials that every other student has to purchase. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image004.png@01D7F264.E074C780] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are telling the truth, so it seems appropriate. Robert On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype@gmail.com > wrote: Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block "0" Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu "The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody - no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability." - President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a "physical copy", whether used or bought from a friend? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All students are expected to purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them. I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers? Wink Harner On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) wrote: > Hi Wink, > > > > Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day > roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability > rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t > anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book > before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me > where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the > HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or > less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But > neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this > practice. > > > > Best, > > Brandon > > > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > *Date: *Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Alternate text question > > Scott, > > I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info > page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: > https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file > . > > > > If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all > students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should > students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is > federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and > accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. > > > > My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. > > Wink Harner > > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: > > The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting > documention can be found at > https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ > > > > > > [image: Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] > > L. Scott Lissner, > > Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance > Officer > > Office of Institutional Equity > > > > (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665 <(614)%20688-3665> > (fax); Http://ada.osu.edu > > > > ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. > Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must > make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, > their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? > > *? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20* > > > > > > On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" < > athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu on behalf of > Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do > you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such > as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought > from a friend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > > 423-425-5251 > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Given that, it seems more than reasonable that the law imposes no obligation on entities like ours to require purchase of inaccessible products as a precondition to providing an accessible version. At any rate, whatever the merits may be of the moral arguments in favor of forcing disabled students to purchase useless products, there is no legal argument for it, unless you have promised a vendor you will do so. That was my only original claim and I stand by it. If you feel a moral obligation to force these purchases despite the absence of any legal obligation to do so, that is entirely up to you. Best, Brandon ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 12:55:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Brandon, Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books. While it would be lovely in a perfect universe for students to be able to go to the book kiosk and select TTS or screen reader formatted, or Braille, it is not a business model publishers are likely to adopt. Students are all required to obtain assigned textbooks for their classes. DSS offices are responsible for providing the alt text appropriately formatted text. All students are expected to purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them. I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers? Wink Harner On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Hi Wink, Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this practice. Best, Brandon From: athen-list > on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3624 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From molsson at sbctc.edu Thu Dec 16 11:35:13 2021 From: molsson at sbctc.edu (Monica Olsson) Date: Thu Dec 16 11:35:40 2021 Subject: [Athen] Alternate text question In-Reply-To: References: <7DAA1C70-9D75-4A78-946E-7DBC804FB1D6@osu.edu> Message-ID: Brandon, Sorry if I missed where you put this, but where I can I find the white paper you mention? [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass] Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges molsson@sbctc.edu ? o: 360-704-3922 ? c: 206-914-7187 sbctc.edu ? Twitter: @SBCTCWashington ? Facebook: @WASBCTC ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Wink, You say, ?Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books.? Of course, architects and civil engineers were similarly disinclined to make buildings and sidewalks accessible prior to the ADA imposing legal obligations for them to do so. Broadcasters would be similarly situated to closed captions if the FCC didn?t require them. Publishers have so far eluded any legal obligation to make their products accessible. Given that, it seems more than reasonable that the law imposes no obligation on entities like ours to require purchase of inaccessible products as a precondition to providing an accessible version. At any rate, whatever the merits may be of the moral arguments in favor of forcing disabled students to purchase useless products, there is no legal argument for it, unless you have promised a vendor you will do so. That was my only original claim and I stand by it. If you feel a moral obligation to force these purchases despite the absence of any legal obligation to do so, that is entirely up to you. Best, Brandon ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 12:55:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Brandon, Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books. While it would be lovely in a perfect universe for students to be able to go to the book kiosk and select TTS or screen reader formatted, or Braille, it is not a business model publishers are likely to adopt. Students are all required to obtain assigned textbooks for their classes. DSS offices are responsible for providing the alt text appropriately formatted text. All students are expected to purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them. I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers? Wink Harner On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Hi Wink, Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this practice. Best, Brandon From: athen-list > on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? 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All best, Brandon From: athen-list on behalf of Monica Olsson Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 2:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Brandon, Sorry if I missed where you put this, but where I can I find the white paper you mention? [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass]Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges molsson@sbctc.edu ? o: 360-704-3922 ? c: 206-914-7187 sbctc.edu ? Twitter: @SBCTCWashington ? Facebook: @WASBCTC ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Wink, You say, ?Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books.? Of course, architects and civil engineers were similarly disinclined to make buildings and sidewalks accessible prior to the ADA imposing legal obligations for them to do so. Broadcasters would be similarly situated to closed captions if the FCC didn?t require them. Publishers have so far eluded any legal obligation to make their products accessible. Given that, it seems more than reasonable that the law imposes no obligation on entities like ours to require purchase of inaccessible products as a precondition to providing an accessible version. At any rate, whatever the merits may be of the moral arguments in favor of forcing disabled students to purchase useless products, there is no legal argument for it, unless you have promised a vendor you will do so. That was my only original claim and I stand by it. If you feel a moral obligation to force these purchases despite the absence of any legal obligation to do so, that is entirely up to you. Best, Brandon ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 12:55:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Brandon, Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books. While it would be lovely in a perfect universe for students to be able to go to the book kiosk and select TTS or screen reader formatted, or Braille, it is not a business model publishers are likely to adopt. Students are all required to obtain assigned textbooks for their classes. DSS offices are responsible for providing the alt text appropriately formatted text. All students are expected to purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them. I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers? Wink Harner On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Hi Wink, Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this practice. Best, Brandon From: athen-list > on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 22673 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 3625 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 11:59:32 2021 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Thu Dec 16 12:00:44 2021 Subject: [Athen] Alternate text question In-Reply-To: References: <7DAA1C70-9D75-4A78-946E-7DBC804FB1D6@osu.edu> Message-ID: Good for you on publishing a white paper. Good luck getting the publishers to provide suitable alt text. Do you work in alternative text production directly? Someone has to buy the book(s) in order to create alt-format text. In the colleges where I teach it is a requirement for ALL students to have (or have access to) books required for class. If they refuse to or cannot obtain the required books, the instructors can drop them from class. It's not a moral argument about books in alt-format. The books are not available to the general public in alt format. You're suggesting that because they are not available from the publisher directly they shouldn't have to be held responsible for the same book purchase as every other student is expected to have? This is a moot point about whether students with disabilities are held to a different standard (obtaining books). If they cannot buy them directly from the publishers (which they cannot currently), or through any other book outlet (which they cannot), you're/your office is denying them access to their materials in a timely manner. I'm not sure now where equity, equitable and equal treatment come in if everyone except the students with disabilities are required to obtain their own books. If no one is purchasing the books in order to create accessible formatted text, how does this work in the equity and inclusion reality? Who checks the publishers' alt formatted text to ensure they're correct, complete, and the correct format for the student in question? Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:26 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) wrote: > Wink, > > You say, ?Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide > alt-text formatted books.? > > Of course, architects and civil engineers were similarly disinclined to > make buildings and sidewalks accessible prior to the ADA imposing legal > obligations for them to do so. Broadcasters would be similarly situated to > closed captions if the FCC didn?t require them. Publishers have so far > eluded any legal obligation to make their products accessible. Given that, > it seems more than reasonable that the law imposes no obligation on > entities like ours to require purchase of inaccessible products as a > precondition to providing an accessible version. > > At any rate, whatever the merits may be of the moral arguments in favor of > forcing disabled students to purchase useless products, there is no legal > argument for it, unless you have promised a vendor you will do so. That was > my only original claim and I stand by it. If you feel a moral obligation to > force these purchases despite the absence of any legal obligation to do so, > that is entirely up to you. > > Best, > Brandon > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 16, 2021 12:55:09 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Alternate text question > > Brandon, > > Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text > formatted books. While it would be lovely in a perfect universe for > students to be able to go to the book kiosk and select TTS or screen reader > formatted, or Braille, it is not a business model publishers are likely to > adopt. Students are all required to obtain assigned textbooks for their > classes. DSS offices are responsible for providing the alt text > appropriately formatted text. All students are expected to > purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are > provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them. > > I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate > formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive > in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and > other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately > formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should > students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers? > > Wink Harner > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) < > bcb4y@virginia.edu> wrote: > > Hi Wink, > > > > Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day > roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability > rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t > anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book > before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me > where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the > HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or > less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But > neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this > practice. > > > > Best, > > Brandon > > > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > *Date: *Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Alternate text question > > Scott, > > I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info > page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: > https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file > . > > > > If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all > students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should > students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is > federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and > accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. > > > > My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. > > Wink Harner > > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: > > The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting > documention can be found at > https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ > > > > > > [image: Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] > > L. Scott Lissner, > > Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance > Officer > > Office of Institutional Equity > > > > (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); > Http://ada.osu.edu > > > > ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. > Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must > make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, > their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? > > *? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20* > > > > > > On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" < > athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu on behalf of > Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do > you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such > as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought > from a friend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > > 423-425-5251 > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- > Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text > Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the vision of our grant, university libraries and other institutions will collaborate to use lawfully obtained texts (from their collections, for example) to create remediated versions, then provide those versions to qualified persons. The grant is also funding work to create a metadata schema and workflows to keep track of the different kinds of remediation that can be applied to a file, so that future users can find a version that has the right kind of remediation for a particular student. The goal is to avoid a lot of duplicative labor by individual DSOs and better meet the needs of qualifying students. Best, B From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 3:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Good for you on publishing a white paper. Good luck getting the publishers to provide suitable alt text. Do you work in alternative text production directly? Someone has to buy the book(s) in order to create alt-format text. In the colleges where I teach it is a requirement for ALL students to have (or have access to) books required for class. If they refuse to or cannot obtain the required books, the instructors can drop them from class. It's not a moral argument about books in alt-format. The books are not available to the general public in alt format. You're suggesting that because they are not available from the publisher directly they shouldn't have to be held responsible for the same book purchase as every other student is expected to have? This is a moot point about whether students with disabilities are held to a different standard (obtaining books). If they cannot buy them directly from the publishers (which they cannot currently), or through any other book outlet (which they cannot), you're/your office is denying them access to their materials in a timely manner. I'm not sure now where equity, equitable and equal treatment come in if everyone except the students with disabilities are required to obtain their own books. If no one is purchasing the books in order to create accessible formatted text, how does this work in the equity and inclusion reality? Who checks the publishers' alt formatted text to ensure they're correct, complete, and the correct format for the student in question? Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:26 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Wink, You say, ?Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books.? Of course, architects and civil engineers were similarly disinclined to make buildings and sidewalks accessible prior to the ADA imposing legal obligations for them to do so. Broadcasters would be similarly situated to closed captions if the FCC didn?t require them. Publishers have so far eluded any legal obligation to make their products accessible. Given that, it seems more than reasonable that the law imposes no obligation on entities like ours to require purchase of inaccessible products as a precondition to providing an accessible version. At any rate, whatever the merits may be of the moral arguments in favor of forcing disabled students to purchase useless products, there is no legal argument for it, unless you have promised a vendor you will do so. That was my only original claim and I stand by it. If you feel a moral obligation to force these purchases despite the absence of any legal obligation to do so, that is entirely up to you. Best, Brandon ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 12:55:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Brandon, Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books. While it would be lovely in a perfect universe for students to be able to go to the book kiosk and select TTS or screen reader formatted, or Braille, it is not a business model publishers are likely to adopt. Students are all required to obtain assigned textbooks for their classes. DSS offices are responsible for providing the alt text appropriately formatted text. All students are expected to purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them. I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers? Wink Harner On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Hi Wink, Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this practice. Best, Brandon From: athen-list > on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perceivable Operable Understandable Robust What to do with failures Section 508, Chapter 3, FPC Impact Roadmap EEAAP HTH Alex Marositz Accessible Technology Initiative Coordinator Information Security and Compliance California State University, Dominguez Hills From: athen-list On Behalf Of Monica Olsson Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 11:38 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Accessible IT Procurement - vendor score cards? Hello, I am working with a group to develop our agency's Accessible IT Procurement policy and accompanying procedural/process documents. Our work includes explanation of steps such as soliciting information from a vendor, what questions to ask, things to look for in a VPAT, etc. Our process is also attempting to assess compliance risk from an impact standpoint. For example, is the product in question intended to be used by all agency staff? The public? Or, will it be used by a smaller, defined department with very specific business needs, etc. Do any of you use a grading rubric to score information and/or demonstrations provided by vendors/suppliers? I am interested in resources such as VPAT score cards, rubrics used to grade a vendor when demonstrating accessibility features, etc. Our group is aware of both the HECVAT accessibility tool and the IMS Global Accessibility rubric. We will explore how to integrate those tools into our process and investigate how they provide guidance on grading vendors/products. Thank you! [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass]Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate - Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges molsson@sbctc.edu * o: 360-704-3922 * c: 206-914-7187 sbctc.edu * Twitter: @SBCTCWashington * Facebook: @WASBCTC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any hyperlinks in your document will need to be fixed in notepad, you can't use in-documemt links, so MS word table we of contents won't work, use the CAR table of contents option for longer documents. The previous message mention space in Math equations, which cause the voiced "error" where ever they occur. I have been able to use either Equation Editor or MathType and even mixed in a document with usable results. Students have really liked the HTML output, it requires no plug ins or special software, they read it with default screen reader/browser combos on MAC, OR WIN OS, mobile devices. I send them both the HYML and MS Word files if they need editing capabilities. With JAWS now able to read (in theory) equations in MS Word, and the new Equation Editor & nemeth input out put for braille displays (still needs some work, hard to set up, but it's a start, requires MS Word 365), things are finally looking like that holy grail of braille access to Ms word equations, both reading and composing using Nemeth, will soon become a reality. I will be sad if CAR allowed to become obsolete, without anyone to support it's upgrade to newer architecture. The Central Access Toolbar, another great tool from Central Access, already won't install into MS WORD 2019. A ?shame tools with such amazing functionality are allowed to wither without other tools that provide such nimble workflows to screen reader accessible MathML. (Save CAR, please!) Hope some of that info helps. Anyone from Central Washington University? What would be required to save CAR from obsolescence? Sean Loraas Accessibility Technician Alt. 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I would have thought that libraries have special status with regards to copyright and alternate formats (Hathi Trust, for example, is open to libraries only), but fe-reading the Chafee Amendment now after your comments makes it seem like every DSO is a regional equivalent of the NLS? ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 1:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] Alternate text question I?m a copyright lawyer, so that?s the lens I bring to this, fwiw. And again, the law says folks with disabilities don?t have to buy inaccessible books before you can provide them with a free accessible copy. Someone will have to obtain a lawful copy in order to create a remediated version, so it?s not the case that no one is buying the book. In the vision of our grant, university libraries and other institutions will collaborate to use lawfully obtained texts (from their collections, for example) to create remediated versions, then provide those versions to qualified persons. The grant is also funding work to create a metadata schema and workflows to keep track of the different kinds of remediation that can be applied to a file, so that future users can find a version that has the right kind of remediation for a particular student. The goal is to avoid a lot of duplicative labor by individual DSOs and better meet the needs of qualifying students. Best, B From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 3:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Good for you on publishing a white paper. Good luck getting the publishers to provide suitable alt text. Do you work in alternative text production directly? Someone has to buy the book(s) in order to create alt-format text. In the colleges where I teach it is a requirement for ALL students to have (or have access to) books required for class. If they refuse to or cannot obtain the required books, the instructors can drop them from class. It's not a moral argument about books in alt-format. The books are not available to the general public in alt format. You're suggesting that because they are not available from the publisher directly they shouldn't have to be held responsible for the same book purchase as every other student is expected to have? This is a moot point about whether students with disabilities are held to a different standard (obtaining books). If they cannot buy them directly from the publishers (which they cannot currently), or through any other book outlet (which they cannot), you're/your office is denying them access to their materials in a timely manner. I'm not sure now where equity, equitable and equal treatment come in if everyone except the students with disabilities are required to obtain their own books. If no one is purchasing the books in order to create accessible formatted text, how does this work in the equity and inclusion reality? Who checks the publishers' alt formatted text to ensure they're correct, complete, and the correct format for the student in question? Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:26 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Wink, You say, ?Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books.? Of course, architects and civil engineers were similarly disinclined to make buildings and sidewalks accessible prior to the ADA imposing legal obligations for them to do so. Broadcasters would be similarly situated to closed captions if the FCC didn?t require them. Publishers have so far eluded any legal obligation to make their products accessible. Given that, it seems more than reasonable that the law imposes no obligation on entities like ours to require purchase of inaccessible products as a precondition to providing an accessible version. At any rate, whatever the merits may be of the moral arguments in favor of forcing disabled students to purchase useless products, there is no legal argument for it, unless you have promised a vendor you will do so. That was my only original claim and I stand by it. If you feel a moral obligation to force these purchases despite the absence of any legal obligation to do so, that is entirely up to you. Best, Brandon ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 12:55:09 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Brandon, Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text formatted books. While it would be lovely in a perfect universe for students to be able to go to the book kiosk and select TTS or screen reader formatted, or Braille, it is not a business model publishers are likely to adopt. Students are all required to obtain assigned textbooks for their classes. DSS offices are responsible for providing the alt text appropriately formatted text. All students are expected to purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them. I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers? Wink Harner On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Hi Wink, Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day roundtable discussion with a who?s-who of copyright lawyers, disability rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn?t anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or less), I?d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this practice. Best, Brandon From: athen-list > on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question Scott, I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file. If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott > wrote: The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/ [Block ?0? Logo: The Ohio State University] L. Scott Lissner, Americans With Disabilities Act Coordinator and Section 504 Compliance Officer Office of Institutional Equity (614) 292-7024(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu ?The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody ? no matter their race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.? ? President-Elect Joe Biden, 11/7/20 On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: Hi all, When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a ?physical copy?, whether used or bought from a friend? 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Scott) Date: Thu Dec 23 06:44:28 2021 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: AHEAD Members : Now that Exams are Over Celebrate by submitting a proposal In-Reply-To: <0100017de4229406-46bbefb2-67a0-45c0-aa62-c4fe433038c2-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <0100017de4229406-46bbefb2-67a0-45c0-aa62-c4fe433038c2-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: THE ZEN OF VENN: DISABILTY, A FACET OF LIVED EXPERIENCE Image* The 21st Annual Multiple Perspective Conference at The Ohio State University APRIL 11TH & 12TH 2022 (Conditions permitting, we will meet in person, provisions will be made for presenters with travel restrictions) "If I were just a woman, he could not do this to me; if I were only a person of color, he would not be able to do this to me; my conclusion was that the only reason that you are able to take this unfair advantage is because I also have a disability. "My own personal identity is very much tied into who I am as a woman of color and as a disabled person, and I try not to distinguish between the three identities anymore". These quotes from Johnnie Lacy capture the flavor to this year's theme for Multiple Perspective's ongoing exploration of disability as a reflection of the human condition. A lived experience seen through multiple lenses of identity, work, school, human rights, theory, discipline, law ada.osu.edu/presentations-2022 Preference will be given to presentations that explore parallels, distinctions, lessons and impacts of disability across and within identity groups and models. Celebrate by submitting a proposal Hosted by the Office of Institutional Equity at the Ohio State University and supported by the generosity of Margaret Stanton and the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation. As a modern land grant university, an important part of Ohio State's mission is serving the wider community; to be a catalyst for positive change and a springboard for collaborations with and among our partners in education, business, non-profits, and government. Since 2000, each year the university's ADA Coordinator has identified series of workshops and public events that provide a forum for expand our understanding of disability as integral to human experience and create opportunities to increase community resources through the synergy of collaboration. Please look at past conference programs and consider submitting a future session. *Description from Alt Tag: A multicolored circular graphic giving the impression of a flower that depicts the multiple identities of individuals and their overlapping . 10 small circles, each a solid color surround a larger circle in the center comprised of all of the colors as overlapping translucent disks forming blended hues in the shape of petals. 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The notion of a limit from calculus is something that engineering majors and pure math majors alike encounter repeatedly throughout their undergraduate studies. In this talk, Zach will look at STEM accessibility issues through the lens of various definitions of a limit and share some personal stories along the way. *Don't worry, familiarity with math or calculus is not required.* - *Register for the 2022 ATHEN Virtual STEM Accessibility Conference: Starting with Math * - *Conference Details * (dates, cost, schedule updates, etc.) ATHEN Executive Council -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.gardner at viewplus.com Mon Dec 27 13:48:56 2021 From: john.gardner at viewplus.com (John Gardner) Date: Mon Dec 27 13:49:08 2021 Subject: [Athen] Register for STEM Accessibility Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, any thoughts on my question about ViewPlus joining ATHEN? The next few years look to be full of interesting/important new products, especially STEM software, from ViewPlus, so being part of ATHEN would be good for both of us. John From: athen-list On Behalf Of ATHEN President Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 10:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Register for STEM Accessibility Conference Register for the 2022 ATHEN Virtual STEM Accessibility Conference: Starting with Math ATHEN is pleased to announce Zach Lattin, STEM Accessibility expert, as our inaugural Keynote Speaker who will present "Arbitrarily Close to Access in STEM". The notion of a limit from calculus is something that engineering majors and pure math majors alike encounter repeatedly throughout their undergraduate studies. In this talk, Zach will look at STEM accessibility issues through the lens of various definitions of a limit and share some personal stories along the way. Don't worry, familiarity with math or calculus is not required. ? 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