From ksinglet at gmu.edu Wed Jun 2 16:20:28 2021 From: ksinglet at gmu.edu (Korey J Singleton) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:20:53 2021 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Technology and Alternate Format Specialist - Brandman University In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Forwarding this positioning opening to the listserv on behalf of Ashlee Kromski (Brandman University). Please see below. *** Accessible Technology and Alternate Format Specialist, Office Of Accessible Education - Brandman University: The Accessible Technology and Alternate Format Specialist is responsible for a wide range of technical assistance and expertise for the Office of Accessible Education to meet the needs of assistive technology and alternative media services for students with disabilities. The position will consult with faculty and staff to advise on the accessibility of course materials for students with disabilities and accessibility features for supported instructional technology. This position will also provide technical support, troubleshooting, and assistance to students in one-on-one and group settings. Thank you again, Ashlee Kromski, M.Ed. Associate Director | Office of Accessible Education T (949) 379-9909 F (949) 799-3048 https://www.brandman.edu/why-brandman/dedicated-resources/accessible-education [https://marvel-b1-cdn.bc0a.com/f00000000167284/www.brandman.edu/-/media/brandman/images/logo/brandman_logo.png?h=133&la=en&w=400&hash=208BBAC93DCDDFC9C69087E96E05DA64BA132F64] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 14763 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From lydia at autistichoya.com Thu Jun 3 06:44:20 2021 From: lydia at autistichoya.com (Lydia X. Z. Brown) Date: Thu Jun 3 06:45:17 2021 Subject: [Athen] Irvine CA: Brandman University hiring Accessible Technology & Alternate Format Specialist, Office Of Accessible Education Message-ID: Just the messenger: Hello DSSHE Colleagues, Happy Wednesday! We are recruiting for an Accessible Technology and Alternate Format Specialist at Brandman University in Irvine, Ca. Please share this posting with anyone you think would be interested. Thank you! Accessible Technology and Alternate Format Specialist, Office Of Accessible Education - Brandman University: The Accessible Technology and Alternate Format Specialist is responsible for a wide range of technical assistance and expertise for the Office of Accessible Education to meet the needs of assistive technology and alternative media services for students with disabilities. The position will consult with faculty and staff to advise on the accessibility of course materials for students with disabilities and accessibility features for supported instructional technology. This position will also provide technical support, troubleshooting, and assistance to students in one-on-one and group settings. Best, Rosalind Blackstar, M.Ed Director | Office of Accessible Education Phone: (949) 341-9823 Fax: (949) 799-3048 Office of Accessible Education at Brandman University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnorwich at bu.edu Thu Jun 3 13:07:01 2021 From: lnorwich at bu.edu (Norwich, Lorraine S) Date: Thu Jun 3 13:07:15 2021 Subject: [Athen] Echo livescribe pen and alternative Message-ID: Dear All, Please can you give me some help. I know that the Echo Live scribe pen is not easy to find and if anyone knows where to buy them I would appreciate you sharing that with me as they are slowly not making them anymore. Has anyone found an alternative to the Echo Livescribe pen, and if so please can you share any information with me about the pen and why you choose that pen. I look forward to hearing from you. Best, Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Thu Jun 3 13:32:55 2021 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Thu Jun 3 13:33:09 2021 Subject: [Athen] Echo livescribe pen and alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54de44eebcb54207a7f0331ea1b0900c@frontrange.edu> According to Doug Mantle of NOAT (our Canadian counterparts), the Livescribe Echo 2 is still going to be delayed. According to the NOAT list, Livescribe execs wrote: "Unfortunately, due to the global shortage of semi-conductors, our echo 2 launch has been postponed to September of this year." We have written up a bit about some of the alternatives in our Getting Started Guides https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sZGm8F3q9Me1Exl314Kgff-zbYz8Qwc3/view?usp=sharing - Feel free to give me feedback on this if your results have differed or if you have other insights. This doc is free for academic usage... customize and adapt as you would like, but please attribute the source. Thanks Best regards, Cath Catherine M. Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu (720) 336-1245 [Front Range Community College - Boulder County Campus] Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/GettingStartedGuidesOverview https://bit.ly/GettingStartedAtHome From: athen-list On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 2:07 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Echo livescribe pen and alternative CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Dear All, Please can you give me some help. I know that the Echo Live scribe pen is not easy to find and if anyone knows where to buy them I would appreciate you sharing that with me as they are slowly not making them anymore. Has anyone found an alternative to the Echo Livescribe pen, and if so please can you share any information with me about the pen and why you choose that pen. I look forward to hearing from you. Best, Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 18481 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Doug.Mantle at kings.uwo.ca Tue Jun 8 08:18:30 2021 From: Doug.Mantle at kings.uwo.ca (Doug Mantle) Date: Tue Jun 8 08:18:38 2021 Subject: [Athen] FW: [N.O.A.T.] You Are Invited - DESKTOP ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH EYE-TRACKING - N.O.A.T. Webinar - 11 June 2021 @ 1:30pm Eastern In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Everyone! Please see below for the details of an upcoming webinar you are invited to attend. Any questions, please reach out to info@NOAT.ca Take care! Doug From: noat@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Network of Assistive Technologists Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:00 AM To: NOAT@googlegroups.com Subject: [N.O.A.T.] You Are Invited - DESKTOP ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH EYE-TRACKING - N.O.A.T. Webinar - 11 June 2021 @ 1:30pm Eastern Good day! Please join us for our upcoming webinar... On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:30pm Eastern, join The Network of Assistive Technologists as we welcome Charles F. Poeppelman, MS, CCC-SLP, Solutions Consultant, Tobii Dynavox North America. DESKTOP ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH EYE-TRACKING Exploring computer access and the application of eye gaze This training session will cover the assessment and application of the eye gaze modality as an alternative and / or augmentative computer access option for use with clients with functional impairments. We will discuss advancements in eye-tracking technology and using eye-gaze as a part of your clinical toolbox. For more details and to register, please visit the N.O.A.T. Events Website. We look forward to seeing you online Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:30pm Eastern. If you have any questions, please reach out. Take care! Doug Mantle, Founder | The Network of Assistive Technologists www.NOAT.ca | info@NOAT.ca -- [https://www.kings.uwo.ca/kings/assets/Image/email/accessibility-counselling.png] King?s University College is committed to accessibility for persons with disabilities. Please contact us if you have any particular accommodation requirements or require information in an alternate format. ________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: The contents of this communication, including any attachment(s), are confidential and may be privileged. 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Associate Director of Services for Students with Disabilities Reporting to the director this position directly supports students with disabilities. This position also champions the work of Services for Students with Disabilities at various events such as the Graduate Teaching Assistant bi-annual workshop and others in the Division of Student Affairs. Review begins July 19th, 2021. Point of contact for questions, Christa Miller (millerch@vt.edu). 508 Compliance & Digital Accessibility Officer A cross functional position that bridges our Office for Equity and Access and Accessible Technologies groups. The person filling this position will lead the university's efforts in evaluating and recommending accessibility policies, procedures, and best practices for electronic and information technology (EIT). Review begins June 14th, 2021. Point of contact for questions, Mark Nichols (mnichol1@vt.edu). Transcriber/Captionist This 1500 hour part-time wage position in the Office for Services for Students with Disabilities. The transcriber/captionist reports to the Senior Interpreter and functions as a captionist to facilitate communication with the D/deaf, hard of hearing and hearing students, faculty, and visitors on Virginia Tech's campus. Review begins June 4th, 2021. Point of contact for questions, James Bell (jabell@vt.edu). Thanks for sharing! Christa -- Virginia Tech Accessible Technologies millerch@vt.edu 540-231-2240 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu Thu Jun 10 11:09:25 2021 From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon) Date: Thu Jun 10 11:10:02 2021 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe symphony Message-ID: Hi all, We purchased some Live Scribe Symphony pens since the Echo is unavailable. Has anyone used the Symphony and how does it compare to the Echo? Can you use the same notebooks that the Echo uses? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu Mon Jun 14 13:24:15 2021 From: Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu (Maureen Bourbeau) Date: Mon Jun 14 13:24:21 2021 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Tutor Trac? Message-ID: Good Afternoon, Are any of your schools using RedRock TutorTrac software? And if so, have you found it to be accessible? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks. Maureen Bourbeau (she/her/hers) Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/sas [cid:image001.png@01D76139.B71F9750] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15467 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From ecmatson at uidaho.edu Mon Jun 14 13:57:39 2021 From: ecmatson at uidaho.edu (Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu)) Date: Mon Jun 14 13:57:47 2021 Subject: [Athen] Text Accessibility Trainings for Faculty? Message-ID: Hey all, I was wondering if any of you might have powerpoints or trainings you provide to instructors about text accessibility you'd be willing to share. I learned mostly by reading online resources and everything just seemed to make sense, and I'm finding with my ADHD I'm skipping over things that are obvious to me and leaving my audience confused. Figured I'd see how all of you are explaining accessible documents to instructors since examples tend to help when my brain gets stuck like this. Thanks for the help with this wall of awful! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 Pronouns: He / Him / His This communication may contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. 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I learned mostly by reading online resources and everything just seemed to make sense, and I?m finding with my ADHD I?m skipping over things that are obvious to me and leaving my audience confused. Figured I?d see how all of you are explaining accessible documents to instructors since examples tend to help when my brain gets stuck like this. > > Thanks for the help with this wall of awful ! > > Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist > Center for Disability Access and Resources > Division of Student Affairs > The University of Idaho > Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu | Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 > Fax: 208.885.9404 > Campus Zip: 4257 > > Pronouns: He / Him / His > > This communication may contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. 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Most of them are under 4 minutes long, and we have found them to be a helpful bite-size resource to share with faculty, staff and students. * Accessibility Training Main Page * Microsoft Word Document Training (7 videos) * Microsoft PowerPoint Training (5 videos) * Microsoft Excel Workbook Training (3 videos) * Microsoft outlook Training (3 videos) Sincerely, Jamie Bird Pronouns: she/her/hers Assistive Technology Coordinator Salt Lake Community College Disability Resource Center 801-957-4659 | STC-053A jamie.bird@slcc.edu [Title: Logo - Description: Salt Lake Community College Logo] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 2:58 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Text Accessibility Trainings for Faculty? CAUTION: This is an external message from: athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu. If you have questions regarding its validity, please review how to identify suspicious emails. Hey all, I was wondering if any of you might have powerpoints or trainings you provide to instructors about text accessibility you'd be willing to share. I learned mostly by reading online resources and everything just seemed to make sense, and I'm finding with my ADHD I'm skipping over things that are obvious to me and leaving my audience confused. Figured I'd see how all of you are explaining accessible documents to instructors since examples tend to help when my brain gets stuck like this. Thanks for the help with this wall of awful! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 Pronouns: He / Him / His This communication may contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. 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If you wait until the last minute, the panic factor will make it much harder than it actually is. My instructor told us to create an account and play around with it. But I found this wasn't possible until I had an enrollment key and a course ID. He did not give those out until the actual paper's due date (today!!!) because he wanted only a single submission from each student. This did not give anyone much time to play around with a new account. I found no way to create a dummy account as a student to experiment with. You need to create a user profile, and for that you need your Course ID and enrollment key. Our instructor offered this in a single sentence, with a semicolon after the course ID and the enrollment key ending in a period because that was the end of his sentence. In fact, the enrollment key did require the period and the course ID did not want the semicolon. Instructors often give sloppy instructions which can be especially confusing to someone using AT. The user profile requires your first and last name, your email, your password and for you to select your secret answer from a drop-down list of questions. Email and password must be entered twice. There's also a captia and if you are slow at entering information the captia expires and half the information in the form, including your email and password is automatically cleared out. There are a few check boxes for agreements and a "create profile"button. It took me several tries because the captia kept expiring before I could read the entire screen. After you create an account you are enrolled in your one class. You can enroll in others, or drop the current one, and that process is accessible but not intuitive. You have a button labeled "drop"which in the offscreen model appears right below the course title, so it can be confusing because you don't want to drop the class by mistake. You must select the course, otherwise you remain on a home page and there's no place to submit anything from the home page. Once you select the class and carefully do not press the Drop button, the course page appears. There is a heading labeled "submit"and a tiny arrow beside it which is invisible to the screen reader user and which doesn't get focus meaning a low-vision user might not see it and a dragon user may have difficulty activating it with the keyboard. It cannot be accessed with the tab key. JAWS, NVDA and voiceover however indicate the heading "submit"is collapsed, and when pressing enter on it, a menu appears. The default is cut and paste, or text entry. But also in the menu are "Single file submission"and "multiple file submission". If you left it at the default, the only way to submit a paper would be to paste it in to the edit box and hit the upload button. For most instructors, who wish papers submitted as Word or PDF, this default method is unacceptable. Instead, you have to expand the menu, either by clicking the arrow or using a screen reader that recognizes the collapsed nature of the heading and lets you press Enter to activate it. Then you select either single or multiple file submission, and press enter again to make that menu choice stick. Now the heading reads "Submit, single file submission." A box appears reading "choose file". If you do not refresh the screen reader's offscreen model, it may not see this new box. Non-disabled users are told to drag and drop their file. VoiceOver users on the mac can also do this but Windows users must first locate the file in File explorer, press Control C to copy, return to TurnitIn, locate the choose file button and press Ctrl-V to paste. Older versions of Windows do not let you paste files in to website file dialog boxes, but Windows 10 does this reliably. If a user is trying to do this on a tablet or phone, there's a turnitIn app. I haven't tested its accessibility. Once the filename is displayed on the TurnitIn screen, you can press Confirm. It shows the file's name size and format - Word or PDF. There is no text showing that your submission has actually happened. But there's a button labeled download. It's another collapsed menu, but once you press space or enter on it, there are choices to download a PDF receipt proving you made the submission or the actual file you submitted. Once I took some time to figure this out, it wasn't hard. But I feel sorry for the beginning screen reader user who is stuck using this interface, just because some professor insists they do. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhayman at olympic.edu Mon Jun 14 16:11:29 2021 From: dhayman at olympic.edu (Hayman, Douglass) Date: Mon Jun 14 16:11:46 2021 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - TurnitIn And Screen Readers (long) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow that sounds like a bagful of WCAG violations to use Deborah. I keep that on my evil list of items to not get through the gate at my college if I can have a say in the process. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 (currently working remotely and don't have access to this phone) [Olympic College 75th Anniversary logo] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 3:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] TurnitIn And Screen Readers (long) CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Over the years, I've had some complaints that TurnItIn is not accessible for screen reader users. I finally took a classthat required it. The big problem with TurnIt in is if you use access technology of any sort, you really should read the help before trying to figure out how to submit your paper. If you wait until the last minute, the panic factor will make it much harder than it actually is. My instructor told us to create an account and play around with it. But I found this wasn't possible until I had an enrollment key and a course ID. He did not give those out until the actual paper's due date (today!!!) because he wanted only a single submission from each student. This did not give anyone much time to play around with a new account. I found no way to create a dummy account as a student to experiment with. You need to create a user profile, and for that you need your Course ID and enrollment key. Our instructor offered this in a single sentence, with a semicolon after the course ID and the enrollment key ending in a period because that was the end of his sentence. In fact, the enrollment key did require the period and the course ID did not want the semicolon. Instructors often give sloppy instructions which can be especially confusing to someone using AT. The user profile requires your first and last name, your email, your password and for you to select your secret answer from a drop-down list of questions. Email and password must be entered twice. There's also a captia and if you are slow at entering information the captia expires and half the information in the form, including your email and password is automatically cleared out. There are a few check boxes for agreements and a "create profile"button. It took me several tries because the captia kept expiring before I could read the entire screen. After you create an account you are enrolled in your one class. You can enroll in others, or drop the current one, and that process is accessible but not intuitive. You have a button labeled "drop"which in the offscreen model appears right below the course title, so it can be confusing because you don't want to drop the class by mistake. You must select the course, otherwise you remain on a home page and there's no place to submit anything from the home page. Once you select the class and carefully do not press the Drop button, the course page appears. There is a heading labeled "submit"and a tiny arrow beside it which is invisible to the screen reader user and which doesn't get focus meaning a low-vision user might not see it and a dragon user may have difficulty activating it with the keyboard. It cannot be accessed with the tab key. JAWS, NVDA and voiceover however indicate the heading "submit"is collapsed, and when pressing enter on it, a menu appears. The default is cut and paste, or text entry. But also in the menu are "Single file submission"and "multiple file submission". If you left it at the default, the only way to submit a paper would be to paste it in to the edit box and hit the upload button. For most instructors, who wish papers submitted as Word or PDF, this default method is unacceptable. Instead, you have to expand the menu, either by clicking the arrow or using a screen reader that recognizes the collapsed nature of the heading and lets you press Enter to activate it. Then you select either single or multiple file submission, and press enter again to make that menu choice stick. Now the heading reads "Submit, single file submission." A box appears reading "choose file". If you do not refresh the screen reader's offscreen model, it may not see this new box. Non-disabled users are told to drag and drop their file. VoiceOver users on the mac can also do this but Windows users must first locate the file in File explorer, press Control C to copy, return to TurnitIn, locate the choose file button and press Ctrl-V to paste. Older versions of Windows do not let you paste files in to website file dialog boxes, but Windows 10 does this reliably. If a user is trying to do this on a tablet or phone, there's a turnitIn app. I haven't tested its accessibility. Once the filename is displayed on the TurnitIn screen, you can press Confirm. It shows the file's name size and format - Word or PDF. There is no text showing that your submission has actually happened. But there's a button labeled download. It's another collapsed menu, but once you press space or enter on it, there are choices to download a PDF receipt proving you made the submission or the actual file you submitted. Once I took some time to figure this out, it wasn't hard. But I feel sorry for the beginning screen reader user who is stuck using this interface, just because some professor insists they do. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 55608 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From lydia at autistichoya.com Tue Jun 15 08:10:39 2021 From: lydia at autistichoya.com (Lydia X. Z. Brown) Date: Tue Jun 15 08:11:31 2021 Subject: [Athen] Colorado: Denver Division of Disability Rights hiring ADA Programmatic Access Administrator Message-ID: Just the messenger: The Denver Division of Disability Rights (DDR) has a job opportunity available: ADA Programmatic Access Administrator! DDR is seeking a Programmatic Access Administrator to assist with the division's efforts ensuring the City and County of Denver is compliant with the Title II of the ADA, so that individuals with disabilities have equal access and opportunities to all governmental activities, programs and services. A few duties for this position include, but are not limited to: * Conducts comprehensive needs assessments by auditing and evaluating programmatic access to determine if the program is achieving its objectives. * Independently analyzes program data, identifies actual and potential problem areas, trends, areas of imbalance, and related factors that impact a program, and prepares comprehensive reports of findings including solutions and recommendations for Director of Denver Division of Disability Rights and ADA Coordinator. * Makes recommendations related to procedures, guidelines, standards, and policies to achieve programmatic access and determines changes that need to be made in program policies and procedures based on feedback from customers, officials, service providers, and/or community groups. Salary range: $52,523 - $86,664. Individuals living with disabilities are strongly encouraged to apply. Apply and join the DDR team! More information and application:https://denver.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/CCD-denver-denvergov-CSC_Jobs-Civil_service_jobs-Police_Jobs-Fire_Jobs/job/Downtown-Denver/ADA-Programmatic-Access-Administrator---Human-Rights-and-Community-Partnerships_R0035934. Please feel free to share this job opportunity with individuals who may be interested! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryantm at seminolestate.edu Tue Jun 15 09:10:56 2021 From: bryantm at seminolestate.edu (Marshall S. Bryant) Date: Tue Jun 15 09:11:05 2021 Subject: [Athen] [External] Live Scribe symphony In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Bryon, We purchased a few as well. They will use the same paper as the echo pen. You don't need to tap the notebook prior to using, you just start writing and the app creates a notebook for you. We haven't had students use them yet, but I have played with it and it is pretty good. The echo allowed more freedom and easier to use the record feature, as where the symphony requires a device to connect to in order to record audio. A little more work, but usable since the Echo is very hard to find right now. Marshall Bryant Adaptive Technology Specialist Seminole State College of Florida From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 2:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [External] [Athen] Live Scribe symphony CAUTION: This email originated from outside the College. Make certain you trust this sender before clicking on any links or attachments. Hi all, We purchased some Live Scribe Symphony pens since the Echo is unavailable. Has anyone used the Symphony and how does it compare to the Echo? Can you use the same notebooks that the Echo uses? 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Are there any events triggered by the virtual cursors of screen readers which can be handled to determine the presence of the user on the toast body and reset its timeout? Thanks, Vaibhav -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From travis at travisroth.com Tue Jun 15 09:37:17 2021 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Tue Jun 15 09:37:25 2021 Subject: [Athen] JavaScript events related to Screen Reader Virtual Cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09fc01d76204$b4856030$1d902090$@travisroth.com> Certainly an interesting use case and not altogether accessibility friendly sounding. With JAWS, possibly if the setting Screen Tracks Virtual Cursor is enabled, you may receive some onBlur events. I suspect it?d be unreliable at best. But if you?re up to experimenting I?d be interested in the results. -Travis From: athen-list On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:23 AM To: athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] JavaScript events related to Screen Reader Virtual Cursor Hi List Members, Folks at my organization have decided to implement a toast notification for one of the applications. Though toasts are not considered good for accessibility, they have tried to incorporate most of the accessibility use-cases to it, and advocated to restrict it only to cosmetic updates. Now here is one interesting problem - When a user hovers or tabs into the notification, its timeout resets. Interestingly when a screen reader user reads the notification with arrow keys, the timeout does not reset and the toast disappears while the user is reading it. And the user can also read the notification using some of the screen reader shortcuts as well. 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But if you?re up to experimenting I?d be interested in the results. -Travis From: athen-list On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:23 AM To: athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] JavaScript events related to Screen Reader Virtual Cursor Hi List Members, Folks at my organization have decided to implement a toast notification for one of the applications. Though toasts are not considered good for accessibility, they have tried to incorporate most of the accessibility use-cases to it, and advocated to restrict it only to cosmetic updates. Now here is one interesting problem - When a user hovers or tabs into the notification, its timeout resets. Interestingly when a screen reader user reads the notification with arrow keys, the timeout does not reset and the toast disappears while the user is reading it. And the user can also read the notification using some of the screen reader shortcuts as well. 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Is it no longer valuable for individuals to learn when they aren't creating accessible content and how to insure they do so, manually and with knowledge? Also, though using the accessibility checkers is good, I wonder why we don't also use human testers especially since we can often get student workers to do that job. Ask students with various disabilities to try out a website or document using various AT and fill out forms reating their impressions. I'm not suggesting this be done instead of automated accessibility checkers but in addition. It tells us first whether students need more AT training and second whether a document which checks out accessible is actually usable by the average disabled student. I've done some accessibility testing for Yahoo, Google and Ebay. Though I'm under NDA and cannot discuss the specifics one common theme was this. I was videotaped and asked to relate my impressions as I navigated various pages and performed tasks I was assigned. I searched for items, filled in forms, located information. Those tapes were shared with developers so they could see real, live disabled people working with their content. Lastly, we use Canvas here and our faculty received training on creating accessible pages. Most of them do. That's not a problem. The real problem is faculty who instead of building a page simply post a link to a scan (often made with their camera phone) of a textbook page, or an assignment page they've photocopied or even a word document they created for a previous class. I understand faculty don't want to spend hours typing, but posting a scan instead of creating an accessible page is not an inclusive solution. And because it's often a link to a file, automated checkers don't usually catch it. For me the trend is relying on automation rather than education which bothers me most. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerscher at montana.com Tue Jun 15 13:33:49 2021 From: kerscher at montana.com (kerscher@montana.com) Date: Tue Jun 15 13:34:19 2021 Subject: [Athen] A disturbing trend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013001d76225$bf9f2930$3edd7b90$@montana.com> Hello All, Debee, excellent points. I would extend this trend to document accessibility and not just websites. IMO our institutions of higher learning should be encouraging documents to be written to be accessible from the beginning. English 101 should make it clear that the papers written must be accessible. Now that people are reading more-and-more online, the use of modern publishing techniques for online reading should be encouraged. All the word processors now produce EPUB, and Word is probably the best, and it has an accessibility checker as well. We should also be asking our professors to do the same. My $.02 Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] A disturbing trend I'm attending an accessibility workshop today held by the California Community colleges for all our campuses. Several accessibility checking and remediation tools are being featured, and I think it's wonderful these applications are being more widely employed. But I had a couple of luddite thoughts as well. It seems like colleges, now instead of training folks are throwing accessibility checkers at the problem. Is it no longer valuable for individuals to learn when they aren't creating accessible content and how to insure they do so, manually and with knowledge? Also, though using the accessibility checkers is good, I wonder why we don't also use human testers especially since we can often get student workers to do that job. Ask students with various disabilities to try out a website or document using various AT and fill out forms reating their impressions. I'm not suggesting this be done instead of automated accessibility checkers but in addition. It tells us first whether students need more AT training and second whether a document which checks out accessible is actually usable by the average disabled student. I've done some accessibility testing for Yahoo, Google and Ebay. Though I'm under NDA and cannot discuss the specifics one common theme was this. I was videotaped and asked to relate my impressions as I navigated various pages and performed tasks I was assigned. I searched for items, filled in forms, located information. Those tapes were shared with developers so they could see real, live disabled people working with their content. Lastly, we use Canvas here and our faculty received training on creating accessible pages. Most of them do. That's not a problem. The real problem is faculty who instead of building a page simply post a link to a scan (often made with their camera phone) of a textbook page, or an assignment page they've photocopied or even a word document they created for a previous class. I understand faculty don't want to spend hours typing, but posting a scan instead of creating an accessible page is not an inclusive solution. And because it's often a link to a file, automated checkers don't usually catch it. For me the trend is relying on automation rather than education which bothers me most. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Wed Jun 16 06:06:10 2021 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Wed Jun 16 06:06:47 2021 Subject: [Athen] JavaScript events related to Screen Reader Virtual Cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In short, the answer to your main question is ?probably not.? ? when screen readers are reading the text of a web page they aren?t actually focusing any of the content on the page. JAWS does have a setting, disabled by default, to have the mouse follow the virtual cursor. If that were enabled you might get mouse events but such would be a bad thing to rely on for a number of reasons. My suggestion is to not automatically dismiss your notification; either on focus or otherwise. Doing so is problematic for reasons you have already discovered e.g. text disappearing in the middle of being read. If you need to draw user?s attention to that text, you should focus the text and have a keyboard and screen reader accessible method for dismissing the notification, if desired. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 12:23 PM To: athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] JavaScript events related to Screen Reader Virtual Cursor Hi List Members, Folks at my organization have decided to implement a toast notification for one of the applications. Though toasts are not considered good for accessibility, they have tried to incorporate most of the accessibility use-cases to it, and advocated to restrict it only to cosmetic updates. Now here is one interesting problem - When a user hovers or tabs into the notification, its timeout resets. Interestingly when a screen reader user reads the notification with arrow keys, the timeout does not reset and the toast disappears while the user is reading it. And the user can also read the notification using some of the screen reader shortcuts as well. Are there any events triggered by the virtual cursors of screen readers which can be handled to determine the presence of the user on the toast body and reset its timeout? Thanks, Vaibhav -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Wed Jun 16 06:06:10 2021 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Wed Jun 16 06:06:48 2021 Subject: [Athen] JavaScript events related to Screen Reader Virtual Cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In short, the answer to your main question is ?probably not.? ? when screen readers are reading the text of a web page they aren?t actually focusing any of the content on the page. JAWS does have a setting, disabled by default, to have the mouse follow the virtual cursor. If that were enabled you might get mouse events but such would be a bad thing to rely on for a number of reasons. My suggestion is to not automatically dismiss your notification; either on focus or otherwise. Doing so is problematic for reasons you have already discovered e.g. text disappearing in the middle of being read. If you need to draw user?s attention to that text, you should focus the text and have a keyboard and screen reader accessible method for dismissing the notification, if desired. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 12:23 PM To: athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] JavaScript events related to Screen Reader Virtual Cursor Hi List Members, Folks at my organization have decided to implement a toast notification for one of the applications. Though toasts are not considered good for accessibility, they have tried to incorporate most of the accessibility use-cases to it, and advocated to restrict it only to cosmetic updates. Now here is one interesting problem - When a user hovers or tabs into the notification, its timeout resets. Interestingly when a screen reader user reads the notification with arrow keys, the timeout does not reset and the toast disappears while the user is reading it. And the user can also read the notification using some of the screen reader shortcuts as well. Are there any events triggered by the virtual cursors of screen readers which can be handled to determine the presence of the user on the toast body and reset its timeout? Thanks, Vaibhav -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Jun 16 10:09:26 2021 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Jun 16 10:09:43 2021 Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Message-ID: Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/ olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer wrote: > If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality > that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop > and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for > breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability > to OCR is definitely substandard. L > > > > I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have > good, solid answers. > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, > and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as > well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have > experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I > understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, > but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as > well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your > responses! > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning > Resources (OLR) > > University of Dayton > > Ryan C. 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From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. ? I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Jun 16 10:35:27 2021 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Jun 16 10:35:58 2021 Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We do create a LOT of alternate format, so having a good OCR engine/program is critical. You get a better overall result with less manual labor to fix problems if you use a better product. Using Omnipage, we are able to OCR straight to ascii text (Abbyy does this too) so we can create very very clean word files with near-perfect formatting and navigation. It deals well with foreign language, which is a huge plus as we do many books with mixed languages. It also does not balk at poorly-scanned materials; oftentimes the OCR is virtually perfect with Omnipage, so again, less manual labor to fix problems. Adobe?s OCR is good in a pinch, for something that will be a quick read, but you will get a better result overall with a true OCR program. Even scanners that come with OCR software don?t use Adobe. They use CapturePerfect?s engine, or some other, that produces a better-quality result. Adobe is great for breaking up files or cropping or other types of editing, but really substandard in Adobe. Additionally, I will say that cost should almost NEVER be a factor when deciding which software to use ? functionality/quality of production is the ONLY consideration. Creating substandard materials because the campus is too cheap to pay for appropriate tools will not win you any friends if you are sued by the Office of Civil Rights (either DOJ or DOE). Also, having better tools will mean less labor time to get the right accessible text for your student, and saved time is saved money. We create thousands of accessible documents every single semester, the vast majority of which were originally PDFs. I have consistently for 20 years, for functional, effective software and hardware in order to produce quality materials for students. I pretend I do not know the meaning of the word ?no? when it comes to requesting what we need to do our jobs. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. ? I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Does Adobe perform PDF manipulation better than Abbyy? Thanks for all the information you've provided. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:39 PM Susan Kelmer wrote: > We do create a LOT of alternate format, so having a good OCR > engine/program is critical. You get a better overall result with less > manual labor to fix problems if you use a better product. > > > > Using Omnipage, we are able to OCR straight to ascii text (Abbyy does this > too) so we can create very very clean word files with near-perfect > formatting and navigation. It deals well with foreign language, which is a > huge plus as we do many books with mixed languages. It also does not balk > at poorly-scanned materials; oftentimes the OCR is virtually perfect with > Omnipage, so again, less manual labor to fix problems. > > > > Adobe?s OCR is good in a pinch, for something that will be a quick read, > but you will get a better result overall with a true OCR program. Even > scanners that come with OCR software don?t use Adobe. They use > CapturePerfect?s engine, or some other, that produces a better-quality > result. Adobe is great for breaking up files or cropping or other types of > editing, but really substandard in Adobe. > > > > Additionally, I will say that cost should almost NEVER be a factor when > deciding which software to use ? functionality/quality of production is the > ONLY consideration. Creating substandard materials because the campus is > too cheap to pay for appropriate tools will not win you any friends if you > are sued by the Office of Civil Rights (either DOJ or DOE). Also, having > better tools will mean less labor time to get the right accessible text for > your student, and saved time is saved money. > > > > We create thousands of accessible documents every single semester, the > vast majority of which were originally PDFs. I have consistently for 20 > years, for functional, effective software and hardware in order to produce > quality materials for students. I pretend I do not know the meaning of the > word ?no? when it comes to requesting what we need to do our jobs. > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:25 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as > good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which > is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the > argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be > in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but > I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better > idea. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality > that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop > and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for > breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability > to OCR is definitely substandard. L > > > > I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have > good, solid answers. > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, > and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as > well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have > experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I > understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, > but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as > well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your > responses! > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning > Resources (OLR) > > University of Dayton > > Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) > > Roesch Library Room: 023 > > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. > > For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) > > For office hours and further OLR information, please visit > > go.udayton.edu/ olr > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the > reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or > any of its components is strictly prohibited. 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For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/ olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Wed Jun 16 11:19:16 2021 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Wed Jun 16 11:19:36 2021 Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Omnipage is a separate program from ABBYY. We used to use Omnipage but we switched to using ABBYY ? so I?ve used an old version of Omnipage and the newest version of ABBYY. As far as manipulating PDF files, ABBYY does have a PDF reader/editor that comes with the program. My university also offers Acrobat, and I prefer it for doing things like splitting files but it is possible to use ABBYY exclusively for those tasks. I can?t speak to the newer versions of Omnipage as far as its PDF editing capabilities. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich She / Her / Hers Accommodation Specialist Student Disability Services Cornell University Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 Email: adietrich@cornell.edu Phone: (607) 254-4545 Fax: (607) 255-1562 Web: sds.cornell.edu *Please note that confidentiality of non-encrypted e-mail communication cannot be guaranteed. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Disclosure of any information contained in this message to someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro To be clear, is Omnipage a separate program, or is it the OCR engine used in Abbyy? If it's a separate program, how do you justify having it along with Abbyy? Also, why have Adobe if Abbyy can also split/manipulate PDFs? Does Adobe perform PDF manipulation better than Abbyy? Thanks for all the information you've provided. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:39 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: We do create a LOT of alternate format, so having a good OCR engine/program is critical. You get a better overall result with less manual labor to fix problems if you use a better product. Using Omnipage, we are able to OCR straight to ascii text (Abbyy does this too) so we can create very very clean word files with near-perfect formatting and navigation. It deals well with foreign language, which is a huge plus as we do many books with mixed languages. It also does not balk at poorly-scanned materials; oftentimes the OCR is virtually perfect with Omnipage, so again, less manual labor to fix problems. Adobe?s OCR is good in a pinch, for something that will be a quick read, but you will get a better result overall with a true OCR program. Even scanners that come with OCR software don?t use Adobe. They use CapturePerfect?s engine, or some other, that produces a better-quality result. Adobe is great for breaking up files or cropping or other types of editing, but really substandard in Adobe. Additionally, I will say that cost should almost NEVER be a factor when deciding which software to use ? functionality/quality of production is the ONLY consideration. Creating substandard materials because the campus is too cheap to pay for appropriate tools will not win you any friends if you are sued by the Office of Civil Rights (either DOJ or DOE). Also, having better tools will mean less labor time to get the right accessible text for your student, and saved time is saved money. We create thousands of accessible documents every single semester, the vast majority of which were originally PDFs. I have consistently for 20 years, for functional, effective software and hardware in order to produce quality materials for students. I pretend I do not know the meaning of the word ?no? when it comes to requesting what we need to do our jobs. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. ? I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Jun 16 11:23:03 2021 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Jun 16 11:23:28 2021 Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Omnipage is a separate program. We are an Omni shop. We do not have Abbyy, but I have used it in the past and am familiar with how it works. Adobe is still going to be on our campus, it is part of our campus license agreement and every member of the campus community can use it, so we will continue to use it unless that changes. Abbyy does indeed do the same thing, but no reason to have it since we have our current tools (Omnipage and Adobe Pro). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro To be clear, is Omnipage a separate program, or is it the OCR engine used in Abbyy? If it's a separate program, how do you justify having it along with Abbyy? Also, why have Adobe if Abbyy can also split/manipulate PDFs? Does Adobe perform PDF manipulation better than Abbyy? Thanks for all the information you've provided. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:39 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: We do create a LOT of alternate format, so having a good OCR engine/program is critical. You get a better overall result with less manual labor to fix problems if you use a better product. Using Omnipage, we are able to OCR straight to ascii text (Abbyy does this too) so we can create very very clean word files with near-perfect formatting and navigation. It deals well with foreign language, which is a huge plus as we do many books with mixed languages. It also does not balk at poorly-scanned materials; oftentimes the OCR is virtually perfect with Omnipage, so again, less manual labor to fix problems. Adobe?s OCR is good in a pinch, for something that will be a quick read, but you will get a better result overall with a true OCR program. Even scanners that come with OCR software don?t use Adobe. They use CapturePerfect?s engine, or some other, that produces a better-quality result. Adobe is great for breaking up files or cropping or other types of editing, but really substandard in Adobe. Additionally, I will say that cost should almost NEVER be a factor when deciding which software to use ? functionality/quality of production is the ONLY consideration. Creating substandard materials because the campus is too cheap to pay for appropriate tools will not win you any friends if you are sued by the Office of Civil Rights (either DOJ or DOE). Also, having better tools will mean less labor time to get the right accessible text for your student, and saved time is saved money. We create thousands of accessible documents every single semester, the vast majority of which were originally PDFs. I have consistently for 20 years, for functional, effective software and hardware in order to produce quality materials for students. I pretend I do not know the meaning of the word ?no? when it comes to requesting what we need to do our jobs. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. ? I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. 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It isn't until you get to the tagging of the PDF and testing with a screen reader that you find this out. Because you "trust" the "there are no suspects" message, you may have spent time ensuring that the tags are correct only to find, at the end of the process when the document is tested, that is unreadable. Using a stand alone tool, I can quickly OCR the PDF save it as a tagged PDF and test it with a screen reader. If there are problems, I can go back to FineReader, start an OCR project and in the text editor of FineReader, use my screen reader to find the instances of no spaces between words or spaces between characters in words, I can also search for optional hyphens and remove them so that words aren't broken by hyphens and read more naturally. I know that the cost of Foxit for Business and PowerPDF is less than Acrobat but if you are expecting better results, you won't find them. They all have the same tools but located in different places or called something slightly different because of proprietary branding. The on-board PDF viewers aren't accessible. The help documentation doesn't address accessibility needs and is often out of date for even the simplest tasks. For example, adding tags to a document is a small button and I keep forgetting where it is and that it is a small button so I have to keep looking it up but the help documentation is fuzzy on tagging PDF simply saying it is easy and showing an outdated UI. I now have it written down in my own help documentation for the product. I do have the handouts for the presentations if you would like them, e-mail me off list. One more thing, when I found out that Kofax had purchased all of the Nuance print based/OCR division I called and asked whether their product would improve in terms of tagged accessible PDF. They didn't have a clue about what I was talking about. The developers didn't know that the product had included those tools and they weren't sure that this would be important enough to continue developing the tagged PDF tools. I said I would be glad to beta test for them and, after 8 months, haven't heard back from Kofax. I did offer to beta test for Foxit but again after a few months of asking me questions about tagged PDF, they lost interest and there was no formal mechanism to beta test their product at all. On the other hand, I have beta tested for Adobe for years and they don't always listen to or appreciate feedback on tagging or the accessibility of the UI. So, in terms of price, Foxit and PowerPDF are one time pricing models. In terms of OCR, they are on par with Acrobat. In terms of tagging, they are on par with Acrobat. It is only the pricing that is "better" for the moment. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. :( I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D76347.AA7B8AD0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From K4mccall at outlook.com Thu Jun 17 04:14:40 2021 From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall) Date: Thu Jun 17 04:15:35 2021 Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIt Pro Message-ID: I agree. ABBYY often has sales on their OCR tool and I think it is on sale now...just got an e-mail about a promotion. As someone who uses adaptive technology having access to digital content is not the same as having that content be accessible/usable. I need to be able to read it and understand what I am reading (I hate hyphenated text where words are divided). When it comes to OCR tools, if you are providing alternate format or even making the PDF accessible, using a standalone OCR tool is the best place to start. I also recommend FineReader for those of us with disabilities as a tool to take PDF and convert them to another format that is easier to navigate. With FineReader I can do the OCR then save the document as a searchable PDF, EPUB, Word document or other formats. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro We do create a LOT of alternate format, so having a good OCR engine/program is critical. You get a better overall result with less manual labor to fix problems if you use a better product. Using Omnipage, we are able to OCR straight to ascii text (Abbyy does this too) so we can create very very clean word files with near-perfect formatting and navigation. It deals well with foreign language, which is a huge plus as we do many books with mixed languages. It also does not balk at poorly-scanned materials; oftentimes the OCR is virtually perfect with Omnipage, so again, less manual labor to fix problems. Adobe's OCR is good in a pinch, for something that will be a quick read, but you will get a better result overall with a true OCR program. Even scanners that come with OCR software don't use Adobe. They use CapturePerfect's engine, or some other, that produces a better-quality result. Adobe is great for breaking up files or cropping or other types of editing, but really substandard in Adobe. Additionally, I will say that cost should almost NEVER be a factor when deciding which software to use - functionality/quality of production is the ONLY consideration. Creating substandard materials because the campus is too cheap to pay for appropriate tools will not win you any friends if you are sued by the Office of Civil Rights (either DOJ or DOE). Also, having better tools will mean less labor time to get the right accessible text for your student, and saved time is saved money. We create thousands of accessible documents every single semester, the vast majority of which were originally PDFs. I have consistently for 20 years, for functional, effective software and hardware in order to produce quality materials for students. I pretend I do not know the meaning of the word "no" when it comes to requesting what we need to do our jobs. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D76348.682F3B80] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. :( I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D76348.682F3B80] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:23 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Omnipage is a separate program. We are an Omni shop. We do not have Abbyy, but I have used it in the past and am familiar with how it works. Adobe is still going to be on our campus, it is part of our campus license agreement and every member of the campus community can use it, so we will continue to use it unless that changes. Abbyy does indeed do the same thing, but no reason to have it since we have our current tools (Omnipage and Adobe Pro). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D76348.8BFA97D0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro To be clear, is Omnipage a separate program, or is it the OCR engine used in Abbyy? If it's a separate program, how do you justify having it along with Abbyy? Also, why have Adobe if Abbyy can also split/manipulate PDFs? Does Adobe perform PDF manipulation better than Abbyy? Thanks for all the information you've provided. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:39 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: We do create a LOT of alternate format, so having a good OCR engine/program is critical. You get a better overall result with less manual labor to fix problems if you use a better product. Using Omnipage, we are able to OCR straight to ascii text (Abbyy does this too) so we can create very very clean word files with near-perfect formatting and navigation. It deals well with foreign language, which is a huge plus as we do many books with mixed languages. It also does not balk at poorly-scanned materials; oftentimes the OCR is virtually perfect with Omnipage, so again, less manual labor to fix problems. Adobe's OCR is good in a pinch, for something that will be a quick read, but you will get a better result overall with a true OCR program. Even scanners that come with OCR software don't use Adobe. They use CapturePerfect's engine, or some other, that produces a better-quality result. Adobe is great for breaking up files or cropping or other types of editing, but really substandard in Adobe. Additionally, I will say that cost should almost NEVER be a factor when deciding which software to use - functionality/quality of production is the ONLY consideration. Creating substandard materials because the campus is too cheap to pay for appropriate tools will not win you any friends if you are sued by the Office of Civil Rights (either DOJ or DOE). Also, having better tools will mean less labor time to get the right accessible text for your student, and saved time is saved money. We create thousands of accessible documents every single semester, the vast majority of which were originally PDFs. I have consistently for 20 years, for functional, effective software and hardware in order to produce quality materials for students. I pretend I do not know the meaning of the word "no" when it comes to requesting what we need to do our jobs. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D76348.8BFA97D0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. :( I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D76348.8BFA97D0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At our system, many of our campuses don't have AT specialists. As such, we've all landed on one or two "Cadillac" TTS technologies to support disabled students. For those who do have AT specialists, I trust they have more expertise and time to conduct research and work more individually with students on what's built into their devices and what works best for them. Over the course of the pandemic, we had to pivot to various technologies that integrated with exam security software and other third party products to provide equitable access. Many of our campuses are coming back fully in person in the Fall. Others will continue hyflex and hybrid delivery models (several were already doing this pre-COVID). That being said, have you shifted your perspective and purchases re: literacy / text to speech assistive technologies? Have you moved from commonly used software like Kurzweil or Read&Write to products like ReadSpeaker? 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Student Disability Services (SDS) coordinates academic, housing, dining and transportation accommodations in accordance with applicable laws institutional policies and enhances understanding of disability as a cultural identity. The Student Disability Services Accessibility and Assistive Technology Tech will work as part of the Alternate Format/Assistive Technology team, which partners with the Johns Hopkins Disability Health Research Center. This position works in the production of accessible websites/social media and instructional materials to provide inclusive educational experiences, equal access and academic accommodations in compliance with state and federal laws. This may include the production of Braille, audio files or e-text, enlarged print materials, tactile graphics, as well as producing transcripts and managing the captioning of videos/visual materials. Additional responsibilities include training students on assistive technology software and hardware, which will support their access to instructional materials. This position works closely with faculty, libraries, and instructional technologists to ensure access to all instructional materials. Position will collaborate with AT Specialist to support the student database, Accommodate. This position reports to the Assistive Technology & Alternate Format Specialist, but will work with all schools and will need to occasionally travel between campuses in Baltimore and DC and will support the Johns Hopkins Disability Research Center. Overall, we seek committed, adaptable staff who enjoy working in a university climate that promotes cultural diversity, multicultural understanding, and social justice. Primary Responsibilities: Responsibilities will include, but are not limited to, the following: Alternate Format Materials & Assistive Technology Provision (30%): * Process requests for and produce accessible media and instructional materials in alternative media format for academic accommodations, which may include but is not limited to production of Braille, audio files or e-text, enlarged print materials, tactile graphics, as well as transcripts or the captioning of videos/visual materials; * Prepare assistive technology software training manuals for students; train students as needed. * Maintain and update assistive technology devices for loan; * As directed, attend and present at meetings or conferences to keep up to date with the changing trends in assistive technology field; * May direct the work of student workers; and * Perform other duties as assigned. Manage content and accessibility for central SDS website, Disability Health Research Center website, and social media presences for both (30%): * Maintain and update websites, ensuring accessibility. * Support the schools in maintaining accessible school-based sites. * Ensure social media is used in an accessible way, including checking/remediating posted content. * Consult with SDS offices across the university to provide guidance around accessibility. Captioning & Transcription Management for SDS Homewood (15%): * Manage the processes for acquiring and creating captioned videos and transcripts of videos. * Provide advice and support for the captioning of pre-recorded and pre-selected videos, assisting faculty members, as appropriate, with the process. Accommodate Database Maintenance and Support (15%): * Support Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist in maintaining and updating the student records database, Accommodate by Symplicity. * Support AT Specialist in producing documentation and training materials to ensure accurate and efficient student data management. * Assist with the management of the Alternate Format and Assistive Technology Equipment modules. * Produce reports and surveys as needed. * Maintain and update confidential files and program records accurately and securely. Essential Job Duties are intended to be examples of duties and are not intended to be all inclusive. There will be other duties as assigned to include but not be limited to (10%): * Participate in staff meetings, events, and in-service training opportunities. * Contribute to technology and administrative projects as needed. * Support budget and purchasing functions as needed. * Network with other institutions to exchange resources and attend relevant conferences and meetings. Engage in continuing education and professional development related to the essential functions of the position. Minimum Qualifications: * Bachelor's degree in a related field required. * Minimum of two years of progressively responsible related experience required, preferably in information technology or disability services in a post-secondary setting. * Additional education may substitute for experience, and additional experience may substitute required education to the extent permitted by the JHU Equivalency Formula. Experience: * Experience with web accessibility as well as maintaining accessible websites and social media accounts. * Experience converting materials to accessible formats. * Experience with assistive technologies for persons with disabilities strongly preferred, including some knowledge of/familiarity with Kurzweil, Dragon Naturally Speaking, Inspiration, Texthelp Read and Write, JAWS, Zoomtext, Math Type, and Ginger Software. * Demonstrated experience working in post-secondary settings, particularly those with disabilities. * Experience working with Accommodate case management software is highly desirable. * Demonstrated ability to work independently or collaboratively with a team. * Experience serving students of diverse backgrounds. * Experience developing interactive training materials and learning objects. Special Knowledge, Skills and Abilities: Working knowledge of Section 508/504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) of 1990, its 2008 amendments, and other appropriate laws pertaining to higher education and disabilities. * Ability to manage multiple responsibilities and work in a fast-paced environment. * Commitment to accessibility and inclusion for students with disabilities. * Collaborative, problem-solving, planning and organizational skills. * Proven ability to communicate effectively orally and in writing. * Experience working closely with subject matter experts. * Familiarity with best practices in the use and development of video including digital video editing tools. * Utilization of web design tools (e.g., Photoshop, DreamWeaver, HTML, CSS, JavaScript). * Video conferencing/lecture capturing technologies (e.g. Zoom, Teams, GoToMeeting, WebEx). * High level of proficiency with Microsoft Office Suite, particularly PowerPoint and Excel. * Strong graphic design skills. 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Sometimes, the screen looks like everything went perfect and the text is the same as the original. However, what you see on the screen may be the original image of text and the actual OCR text is behind that. This may be why you feel you are getting good OCR from Adobe. I've personally never gotten good OCR from Adobe. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. :( I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D7667E.DE4957E0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Enough people have stated that Adobe doesn't do great OCR, though, so it must be true, I've just not seen the difference myself. Robert On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:27 AM Robert Beach wrote: > Robert, > > > > Are you reviewing your Adobe OCR results with a screen reader or are you > reviewing the results visually on the screen? Sometimes, the screen looks > like everything went perfect and the text is the same as the original. > However, what you see on the screen may be the original image of text and > the actual OCR text is behind that. This may be why you feel you are > getting good OCR from Adobe. I?ve personally never gotten good OCR from > Adobe. > > > > > > *Robert Lee Beach* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* ? Student Accessibility & Support > Services > > > > *Kansas City Kansas Community College* > > 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 > > O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:25 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as > good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which > is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the > argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be > in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but > I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better > idea. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality > that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop > and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for > breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability > to OCR is definitely substandard. L > > > > I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have > good, solid answers. > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > > * > > > > > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, > and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as > well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have > experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I > understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, > but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as > well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your > responses! > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning > Resources (OLR) > > University of Dayton > > Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) > > Roesch Library Room: 023 > > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. > > For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) > > For office hours and further OLR information, please visit > > go.udayton.edu/ > > olr > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the > reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or > any of its components is strictly prohibited. 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George Mason University has a strong institutional commitment to the achievement of excellence and diversity among its faculty and staff, and strongly encourages candidates to apply who will enrich Mason's academic and culturally inclusive environment. For full job description and application visit: https://jobs.gmu.edu/postings/50469 Email Dr. Marci Kinas Jerome if you have any questions, mkinas@gmu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Mon Jun 21 09:29:38 2021 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Mon Jun 21 09:30:01 2021 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201d766ba$a1ca2a10$e55e7e30$@pubcom.com> /Quote: Enough people have stated that Adobe doesn't do great OCR, though, so it must be true, /EndQuote Oh, gosh, please don?t take that line of thinking about anything! Always verify the data behind your decisions and beliefs. A good example: The Ex-President and thousands of his followers say the election was stolen. Just because ?enough people? believe him doesn?t make it true. It?s called an echo-chamber, where we follow the crowd and blindly repeat stuff. Back to OCR: Adobe does a fine job with OCR, but several things can create less-than-ideal results: 1) a bad original, where the type is faint, fuzzy, broken, or has parts of letters missing. 2) the OCR settings in Acrobat. Once in the Scan and OCR panel, select Enhance / Scanned Document. Then select Enhance and reset the default settings. Change the language if necessary. We?ve found no one OCR package to be ideal for all types of documents, so we try Acrobat and 80% of the time keep its interpretation. We use ABBBY Fine Reader when we?re not happy with Acrobat?s results. Sometimes it?s better, other times not. Such much about OCR depends upon the source file. And with any OCR program, always do a substantial spot check to ensure that the software correctly caught the word-spaces, periods, commas, semi-colons and colons. Also, several letter combinations can be problems for all software: d a r n becomes dam, and c l u b becomes dub. Some people might prefer ABBYY because it has some features that are especially helpful to those using screen readers and other text-to-speech software. --Bevi Chagnon . ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:36 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro I'm using a screen reader. It may just be that I don't do enough OCR to notice the difference, and usually for my own reading Adobe is sufficient. Enough people have stated that Adobe doesn't do great OCR, though, so it must be true, I've just not seen the difference myself. Robert On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:27 AM Robert Beach > wrote: Robert, Are you reviewing your Adobe OCR results with a screen reader or are you reviewing the results visually on the screen? Sometimes, the screen looks like everything went perfect and the text is the same as the original. However, what you see on the screen may be the original image of text and the actual OCR text is behind that. This may be why you feel you are getting good OCR from Adobe. I?ve personally never gotten good OCR from Adobe. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist ? Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea. Robert On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer wrote: If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard. :( I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/ olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/ olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please "reply" to the sender. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning Resources (OLR) University of Dayton Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) Roesch Library Room: 023 Phone: 937-229-2066 * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) For office hours and further OLR information, please visit go.udayton.edu/ olr CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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And as much as I'm bursting to, I'll refrain from commenting on your election statement...LOL. Robert On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 12:35 PM wrote: > /Quote: Enough people have stated that Adobe doesn't do great OCR, though, > so it must be true, /EndQuote > > > > Oh, gosh, please don?t take that line of thinking about anything! Always > verify the data behind your decisions and beliefs. A good example: The > Ex-President and thousands of his followers say the election was stolen. > Just because ?enough people? believe him doesn?t make it true. It?s called > an echo-chamber, where we follow the crowd and blindly repeat stuff. > > > > Back to OCR: > > Adobe does a fine job with OCR, but several things can create > less-than-ideal results: > > 1) a bad original, where the type is faint, fuzzy, broken, or has parts of > letters missing. > > 2) the OCR settings in Acrobat. > > > > Once in the Scan and OCR panel, select Enhance / Scanned Document. > > Then select Enhance and reset the default settings. Change the language if > necessary. > > > > We?ve found no one OCR package to be ideal for all types of documents, so > we try Acrobat and 80% of the time keep its interpretation. We use ABBBY > Fine Reader when we?re not happy with Acrobat?s results. Sometimes it?s > better, other times not. Such much about OCR depends upon the source file. > > > > And with any OCR program, always do a substantial spot check to ensure > that the software correctly caught the word-spaces, periods, commas, > semi-colons and colons. Also, several letter combinations can be problems > for all software: d a r n becomes dam, and c l u b becomes dub. > > > > Some people might prefer ABBYY because it has some features that are > especially helpful to those using screen readers and other text-to-speech > software. > > > > --Bevi Chagnon > > . > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon *| *Designer, Accessibility Technician* |* > Chagnon@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > Latest blog-newsletter > ? *Simple Guide > to Writing Alt-Text > * > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2021 10:36 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > I'm using a screen reader. It may just be that I don't do enough OCR to > notice the difference, and usually for my own reading Adobe is sufficient. > Enough people have stated that Adobe doesn't do great OCR, though, so it > must be true, I've just not seen the difference myself. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:27 AM Robert Beach wrote: > > Robert, > > > > Are you reviewing your Adobe OCR results with a screen reader or are you > reviewing the results visually on the screen? Sometimes, the screen looks > like everything went perfect and the text is the same as the original. > However, what you see on the screen may be the original image of text and > the actual OCR text is behind that. This may be why you feel you are > getting good OCR from Adobe. I?ve personally never gotten good OCR from > Adobe. > > > > > > *Robert Lee Beach* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* ? Student Accessibility & Support > Services > > > > *Kansas City Kansas Community College* > > 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 > > O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:25 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as > good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which > is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the > argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be > in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but > I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better > idea. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality > that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop > and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for > breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability > to OCR is definitely substandard. L > > > > I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have > good, solid answers. > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > > * > > > > > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro > > > > Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, > and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as > well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have > experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I > understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, > but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as > well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your > responses! > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist, Office of Learning > Resources (OLR) > > University of Dayton > > Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC) > > Roesch Library Room: 023 > > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > * All appointments are being held remotely at this time. > > For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay) > > For office hours and further OLR information, please visit > > go.udayton.edu/ > > olr > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the > reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or > any of its components is strictly prohibited. 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Brown * Pronouns: they/them/theirs/themself or no pronouns Phone: +1 (202) 618-0187 Homepage: www.lydiaxzbrown.com Portfolio: www.autistichoya.net Founder, Fund for Community Reparations for Autistic People of Color's Interdependence, Survival, & Empowerment Adjunct Lecturer in Disability Studies, Georgetown University Adjunct Professorial Lecturer in American Studies, Department of Critical Race, Gender, & Culture Studies, American University ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.? ? Arundhati Roy ?Life is short and the world is at least half terrible, and for every kind stranger, there is one who would break you, though I keep this from my children. I am trying to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, walking you through a real shithole, chirps on about good bones: This place could be beautiful, right? You could make this place beautiful.? ? Maggie Smith Having a hard time? Try bit.ly/selfcarehelp for a text-accessible, interactive self-care/executive functioning tool. I am one disabled person who receives an extremely large number of emails every day, and does not have an assistant or staff. This sometimes means that it can take me a few days (or longer) to reply, especially if it is not urgent. I am also unable to provide immediate crisis support as I am a single person and not a hotline or organization. Thank you for your patience and care as I move on crip time . If you are receiving this email outside of your typical working hours, I also hope that you feel no pressure to read or respond until your schedule, workload, and energy permit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abs13 at stmarys-ca.edu Tue Jun 22 12:49:56 2021 From: abs13 at stmarys-ca.edu (Auston Stamm) Date: Tue Jun 22 12:50:51 2021 Subject: [Athen] Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lydia, It isn't supported anymore. Nuance stopped support a couple of years ago. Also, Nuance was recently purchased by Microsoft so hopefully, some of their technology will become integrated into Windows in the future. Mac has built-in dictation and voice control features, which offer a lot of the same functionality as Dragon. Also, Dragon Anywhere can be used on mobile devices. *---------------------* *Auston Stamm, Doctoral Candidate, Educational Technology* *he / him / his* Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: abs13@stmarys-ca.edu On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:45 PM Lydia X. Z. Brown wrote: > Hi folks, > > Does anyone know if Dragon Dictate works on Mac currently? I'm seeing it > listed as supported for OS X. But what about OS 11? Does Nuance provide > support to Mac users now? > > Thanks for any insight, > > Lydia > ________________ > *Lydia X. Z. Brown * > Pronouns: they/them/theirs/themself or no pronouns > Phone: +1 (202) 618-0187 > Homepage: www.lydiaxzbrown.com > Portfolio: www.autistichoya.net > > Founder, Fund for Community Reparations for Autistic People of Color's > Interdependence, Survival, & Empowerment > > Adjunct Lecturer in Disability Studies, Georgetown University > > Adjunct Professorial Lecturer in American Studies, Department of Critical > Race, Gender, & Culture Studies, American University > > ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I > can hear her breathing.? > ? Arundhati Roy > > ?Life is short and the world > is at least half terrible, and for every kind > stranger, there is one who would break you, > though I keep this from my children. I am trying > to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, > walking you through a real shithole, chirps on > about good bones: This place could be beautiful, > right? You could make this place beautiful.? > ? Maggie Smith > > Having a hard time? Try bit.ly/selfcarehelp for a text-accessible, > interactive self-care/executive functioning tool. > > I am one disabled person who receives an extremely large number of emails > every day, and does not have an assistant or staff. This sometimes means > that it can take me a few days (or longer) to reply, especially if it is > not urgent. I am also unable to provide immediate crisis support as I am a > single person and not a hotline or organization. Thank you for your > patience and care as I move on crip time > > . > > If you are receiving this email outside of your typical working hours, I > also hope that you feel no pressure to read or respond until your schedule, > workload, and energy permit. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Tue Jun 22 13:00:34 2021 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 22 13:01:54 2021 Subject: [Athen] Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lydia, Dragon Dictate for Mac is DOA and has been for a number of years. There are two things that work on the Mac from Nuance: 1. Using a MacBook or a big Mac, one can use a partitioned HD and run the DNS on the Windows partition (problem is having to cut and paste the dictation makes it time-consuming and awkward). 2. Using Dragon Anywhere subscription with a portable recorder, one can dictate directly to Macs. Difficulties exist around bluetooth connections, ability to manipulate, edit, and correct text. Cannot use it hands-free. Since Nuance has recently been bought out by Microsoft, it is unlikely the Mac product line will be revived or supported. There is news, though, that Apple has developed their own more sophisticated (more than the current dictation app allows) speech to text program. called Dictation. It costs about $35 for the pro version (no ads) and there's a $20/year subscription required. It does NOT require the internet to use (as with Dragon Anywhere), and it will sync across your various i-Devices. Here's a link for more info. There's a free trial period (one week). https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 and the app store link: https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 Good luck! Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:41 PM Lydia X. Z. Brown wrote: > Hi folks, > > Does anyone know if Dragon Dictate works on Mac currently? I'm seeing it > listed as supported for OS X. But what about OS 11? Does Nuance provide > support to Mac users now? > > Thanks for any insight, > > Lydia > ________________ > *Lydia X. Z. Brown * > Pronouns: they/them/theirs/themself or no pronouns > Phone: +1 (202) 618-0187 > Homepage: www.lydiaxzbrown.com > Portfolio: www.autistichoya.net > > Founder, Fund for Community Reparations for Autistic People of Color's > Interdependence, Survival, & Empowerment > > Adjunct Lecturer in Disability Studies, Georgetown University > > Adjunct Professorial Lecturer in American Studies, Department of Critical > Race, Gender, & Culture Studies, American University > > ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I > can hear her breathing.? > ? Arundhati Roy > > ?Life is short and the world > is at least half terrible, and for every kind > stranger, there is one who would break you, > though I keep this from my children. I am trying > to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, > walking you through a real shithole, chirps on > about good bones: This place could be beautiful, > right? You could make this place beautiful.? > ? Maggie Smith > > Having a hard time? Try bit.ly/selfcarehelp for a text-accessible, > interactive self-care/executive functioning tool. > > I am one disabled person who receives an extremely large number of emails > every day, and does not have an assistant or staff. This sometimes means > that it can take me a few days (or longer) to reply, especially if it is > not urgent. I am also unable to provide immediate crisis support as I am a > single person and not a hotline or organization. Thank you for your > patience and care as I move on crip time > > . > > If you are receiving this email outside of your typical working hours, I > also hope that you feel no pressure to read or respond until your schedule, > workload, and energy permit. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.espero at uci.edu Tue Jun 22 21:29:25 2021 From: robert.espero at uci.edu (Robert Espero) Date: Tue Jun 22 21:30:00 2021 Subject: [Athen] PLEASE REMOVE Message-ID: Please remove me from this listserve. I?ve gone on a few times and unsuccessfully have not been able to. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Jun 23 05:38:36 2021 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Jun 23 05:38:43 2021 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Before I paid for this subscription, I would definitely give the dictation tool in MacOS a good try first. Be sure to download the full tool to the Mac when you turn the feature on for best results. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 3:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Lydia, Dragon Dictate for Mac is DOA and has been for a number of years. There are two things that work on the Mac from Nuance: 1. Using a MacBook or a big Mac, one can use a partitioned HD and run the DNS on the Windows partition (problem is having to cut and paste the dictation makes it time-consuming and awkward). 2. Using Dragon Anywhere subscription with a portable recorder, one can dictate directly to Macs. Difficulties exist around bluetooth connections, ability to manipulate, edit, and correct text. Cannot use it hands-free. Since Nuance has recently been bought out by Microsoft, it is unlikely the Mac product line will be revived or supported. There is news, though, that Apple has developed their own more sophisticated (more than the current dictation app allows) speech to text program. called Dictation. It costs about $35 for the pro version (no ads) and there's a $20/year subscription required. It does NOT require the internet to use (as with Dragon Anywhere), and it will sync across your various i-Devices. Here's a link for more info. There's a free trial period (one week). https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 and the app store link: https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 Good luck! Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:41 PM Lydia X. Z. Brown > wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone know if Dragon Dictate works on Mac currently? I'm seeing it listed as supported for OS X. But what about OS 11? Does Nuance provide support to Mac users now? Thanks for any insight, Lydia ________________ Lydia X. Z. Brown Pronouns: they/them/theirs/themself or no pronouns Phone: +1 (202) 618-0187 Homepage: www.lydiaxzbrown.com Portfolio: www.autistichoya.net Founder, Fund for Community Reparations for Autistic People of Color's Interdependence, Survival, & Empowerment Adjunct Lecturer in Disability Studies, Georgetown University Adjunct Professorial Lecturer in American Studies, Department of Critical Race, Gender, & Culture Studies, American University "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." ? Arundhati Roy "Life is short and the world is at least half terrible, and for every kind stranger, there is one who would break you, though I keep this from my children. I am trying to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, walking you through a real shithole, chirps on about good bones: This place could be beautiful, right? You could make this place beautiful." ? Maggie Smith Having a hard time? 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MathWhiteboard is the first online collaborative whiteboard designed specifically for the teaching and learning of Mathematics. MathWhiteboard is like a smart piece of math paper with all of the functionality of a graphing calculator. Since it recognizes handwritten math notation, teachers and students can interact in a natural and familiar way. A gestural user interface allows users to move fluidly between multiple mathematical representations. The development of MathWhiteboard has been supported in part by the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, and US Department of Education. For more details and to register, please visit the N.O.A.T. Events Website. We look forward to seeing you online Friday, June 25, 2021 at 1:30pm Eastern. If you have any questions, please reach out. Take care! 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For those who do have AT > specialists, I trust they have more expertise and time to conduct research > and work more individually with students on what's built into their devices > and what works best for them. > > > > Over the course of the pandemic, we had to pivot to various technologies > that integrated with exam security software and other third party products > to provide equitable access. Many of our campuses are coming back fully in > person in the Fall. Others will continue hyflex and hybrid delivery models > (several were already doing this pre-COVID). > > > > That being said, have you shifted your perspective and purchases re: > literacy / text to speech assistive technologies? > > > > Have you moved from commonly used software like Kurzweil or Read&Write to > products like ReadSpeaker? 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URL: From K4mccall at outlook.com Thu Jun 24 08:58:26 2021 From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall) Date: Thu Jun 24 08:58:38 2021 Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whenever you choose "Print > Adobe PDF you will create an inaccessible PDF. You will need Acrobat to create a tagged PDF from a webpage. Choose File > Create > PDF from Webpage and copy the URL into the dialog. The dialog has a Settings button where you can check the checkbox to create Bookmarks and another to add PDF tags. You can also choose how many pages/layers of the website you want to convert to tagged PDF. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 11:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page When I print a PDF of a web page from Edge or Chrome in Windows 10, I always get an inaccessible PDF. I haven't needed to do this for a student yet, but I don't understand why this happens. The text of the web page is already available to whatever default driver is printing my PDF. I'm using whatever the Windows default is, though I've tried other solutions. Before I need to do this for real, does anyone know how to easily print an accessible PDF from an accessible web page? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Thu Jun 24 09:06:21 2021 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Thu Jun 24 09:06:43 2021 Subject: [Athen] Scribe for meetings Message-ID: This four-minute marketing presentation: Scribe for Meetings: 4-minute mini-webinar - YouTube Explains the product, which converts slides shared in meetings to accessible presentations. Has anyone used the product? It seems to me that simply sending the powerPoint file ahead of time to any print-disabled person would work as well, but maybe I'm missing something. For example, the end user needs to know how to pull up a slide show. And this product claims to describe the graphics as well, something that JAWS can do with extra steps. I will in July be presenting on a panel discussion with the company's owner and I'm curious what people think of his products. They also do other forms of remediation for alternate media. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Thu Jun 24 09:12:15 2021 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Thu Jun 24 09:13:18 2021 Subject: [Athen] Scribe for meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi: yes i have used it and i gave a demo a few months back when it was still in beta its a vary effective tool and does a great job. i have a full account if any one would like a demo of it working lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:08 AM Deborah Armstrong wrote: > This four-minute marketing presentation: > > Scribe for Meetings: 4-minute mini-webinar - YouTube > > > > > Explains the product, which converts slides shared in meetings to > accessible presentations. > > > > Has anyone used the product? It seems to me that simply sending the > powerPoint file ahead of time to any print-disabled person would work as > well, but maybe I?m missing something. For example, the end user needs to > know how to pull up a slide show. And this product claims to describe the > graphics as well, something that JAWS can do with extra steps. > > > > I will in July be presenting on a panel discussion with the company?s > owner and I?m curious what people think of his products. They also do other > forms of remediation for alternate media. > > > > --Debee > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Thu Jun 24 11:27:56 2021 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto MA) Date: Thu Jun 24 11:29:04 2021 Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Debee: If you are more comfortable using the command line, you can download the HTML from the URL (e.g., you can type google-chrome --headless --dump-dom 'URL' > ./PATH/TO/FILE.html) and then use free utilities to convert the (accessible Markdown) TXT version to PDF. You could chain together these commands into a script to make it a simple process. For instance, some possible tools in the script could be HTML2Text , Pandoc , or OfficeToPDF . Of course with OfficeToPDF, there may be things that you would still need to check in Acrobat, but the images + alt text, lists, and headings will all be there... HTML2Text is a great tool in that it would allow you to optionally exclude things that you might not need or want from the web page. For instance, if the images are not so important to the user who just needs alt text, you can use the --images-to-alt option. HTH, Joseph On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:02 AM Karen McCall wrote: > Whenever you choose ?Print > Adobe PDF you will create an inaccessible PDF. > > > > You will need Acrobat to create a tagged PDF from a webpage. > > > > Choose File > Create > PDF from Webpage and copy the URL into the dialog. > > > > The dialog has a Settings button where you can check the checkbox to > create Bookmarks and another to add PDF tags. > > > > You can also choose how many pages/layers of the website you want to > convert to tagged PDF. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong > *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 11:45 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page > > > > When I print a PDF of a web page from Edge or Chrome in Windows 10, I > always get an inaccessible PDF. > > > > I haven?t needed to do this for a student yet, but I don?t understand why > this happens. The text of the web page is already available to whatever > default driver is printing my PDF. I?m using whatever the Windows default > is, though I?ve tried other solutions. > > > > Before I need to do this for real, does anyone know how to easily print an > accessible PDF from an accessible web page? > > > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu Thu Jun 24 11:31:07 2021 From: Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu (Maureen Bourbeau) Date: Thu Jun 24 11:31:40 2021 Subject: [Athen] Scribe for meetings In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: This looks interesting. What does a full account provide? And what is the cost? Thanks. Maureen Bourbeau AT Specialist UNH-Durham,NH Maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu From: athen-list on behalf of Lucy GRECO Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 12:15 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Scribe for meetings Caution - External Email hi: yes i have used it and i gave a demo a few months back when it was still in beta its a vary effective tool and does a great job. i have a full account if any one would like a demo of it working lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:08 AM Deborah Armstrong > wrote: This four-minute marketing presentation: Scribe for Meetings: 4-minute mini-webinar - YouTube Explains the product, which converts slides shared in meetings to accessible presentations. Has anyone used the product? It seems to me that simply sending the powerPoint file ahead of time to any print-disabled person would work as well, but maybe I?m missing something. For example, the end user needs to know how to pull up a slide show. And this product claims to describe the graphics as well, something that JAWS can do with extra steps. I will in July be presenting on a panel discussion with the company?s owner and I?m curious what people think of his products. They also do other forms of remediation for alternate media. --Debee _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Thu Jun 24 17:57:54 2021 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Thu Jun 24 17:58:07 2021 Subject: [Athen] Scribe for meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ohio State has purchased this. One big benefit over just sending slides in advance is that the software monitors the meeting and advances the slides for screen reader users as well, keeping them updated with the content that is currently being displayed in the Zoom shared screen. It really is a neat little piece of technology, although it should be noted that content authors really should still be paying attention to the accessibility of their slides; if the slideshow is poorly structured or images are badly labelled the usefulness of the automated technology is limited in the ways you would expect. [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Deputy ADA Coordinator ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of Institutional Equity 260 Younkin Success Center, 1640 Neil Ave, Columbus, OH 43201 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu / ada.osu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 12:06 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Scribe for meetings This four-minute marketing presentation: Scribe for Meetings: 4-minute mini-webinar - YouTube Explains the product, which converts slides shared in meetings to accessible presentations. Has anyone used the product? It seems to me that simply sending the powerPoint file ahead of time to any print-disabled person would work as well, but maybe I'm missing something. For example, the end user needs to know how to pull up a slide show. And this product claims to describe the graphics as well, something that JAWS can do with extra steps. I will in July be presenting on a panel discussion with the company's owner and I'm curious what people think of his products. They also do other forms of remediation for alternate media. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3605 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Jun 25 07:27:17 2021 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Fri Jun 25 07:27:43 2021 Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You will only get an image if you use "print to." You need to save as, or use the feature in Adobe Pro to convert a web page into an accessible PDF. Browsers do not have built-in Save to PDF functions like Microsoft Word does. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 9:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page When I print a PDF of a web page from Edge or Chrome in Windows 10, I always get an inaccessible PDF. I haven't needed to do this for a student yet, but I don't understand why this happens. The text of the web page is already available to whatever default driver is printing my PDF. I'm using whatever the Windows default is, though I've tried other solutions. Before I need to do this for real, does anyone know how to easily print an accessible PDF from an accessible web page? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Fri Jun 25 07:48:54 2021 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Fri Jun 25 07:48:59 2021 Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That isn't always the case, in my experience. I believe there are settings you can choose from that change whether the PDF you get from printing or saving to a PDF is text or an image. That said, the PDF will probably still require remediation to be actually ACCESSIBLE, but you should be able to at least get a text-based PDF from most web browsers, in my experience. I just tried it in Google Chrome, and when I selected "Save to PDF" as my printer I got a text-based PDF. So it's definitely possible. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich She / Her / Hers Accommodation Specialist Student Disability Services Cornell University Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 Email: adietrich@cornell.edu Phone: (607) 254-4545 Fax: (607) 255-1562 Web: sds.cornell.edu *Please note that confidentiality of non-encrypted e-mail communication cannot be guaranteed. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Disclosure of any information contained in this message to someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page You will only get an image if you use "print to." You need to save as, or use the feature in Adobe Pro to convert a web page into an accessible PDF. Browsers do not have built-in Save to PDF functions like Microsoft Word does. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 9:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page When I print a PDF of a web page from Edge or Chrome in Windows 10, I always get an inaccessible PDF. I haven't needed to do this for a student yet, but I don't understand why this happens. The text of the web page is already available to whatever default driver is printing my PDF. I'm using whatever the Windows default is, though I've tried other solutions. Before I need to do this for real, does anyone know how to easily print an accessible PDF from an accessible web page? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From dcwatson at uvic.ca Fri Jun 25 08:52:35 2021 From: dcwatson at uvic.ca (Charlie Watson) Date: Fri Jun 25 08:53:06 2021 Subject: [Athen] Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5edf23c7bb2c4dd88f3516b6d5484b20@uaru.uvic.ca> Hi Wink, The app you linked is not developed by Apple. The app store page says it is developed by IBN Software. That might be a perfectly good software company, but be aware that support and quality control will be completely separate. Charlie Watson (dcwatson@uvic.ca) Coordinator of Adaptive Technology and Student Information Centre for Accessible Learning (www.uvic.ca/cal) Division of Student Affairs University of Victoria 250-472-5483 He, him Number of the week: 6 From: athen-list On Behalf Of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: June 22, 2021 1:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? Lydia, Dragon Dictate for Mac is DOA and has been for a number of years. There are two things that work on the Mac from Nuance: 1. Using a MacBook or a big Mac, one can use a partitioned HD and run the DNS on the Windows partition (problem is having to cut and paste the dictation makes it time-consuming and awkward). 2. Using Dragon Anywhere subscription with a portable recorder, one can dictate directly to Macs. Difficulties exist around bluetooth connections, ability to manipulate, edit, and correct text. Cannot use it hands-free. Since Nuance has recently been bought out by Microsoft, it is unlikely the Mac product line will be revived or supported. There is news, though, that Apple has developed their own more sophisticated (more than the current dictation app allows) speech to text program. called Dictation. It costs about $35 for the pro version (no ads) and there's a $20/year subscription required. It does NOT require the internet to use (as with Dragon Anywhere), and it will sync across your various i-Devices. Here's a link for more info. There's a free trial period (one week). https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 and the app store link: https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 Good luck! Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:41 PM Lydia X. Z. Brown > wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone know if Dragon Dictate works on Mac currently? I'm seeing it listed as supported for OS X. But what about OS 11? Does Nuance provide support to Mac users now? Thanks for any insight, Lydia ________________ Lydia X. Z. Brown Pronouns: they/them/theirs/themself or no pronouns Phone: +1 (202) 618-0187 Homepage: www.lydiaxzbrown.com Portfolio: www.autistichoya.net Founder, Fund for Community Reparations for Autistic People of Color's Interdependence, Survival, & Empowerment Adjunct Lecturer in Disability Studies, Georgetown University Adjunct Professorial Lecturer in American Studies, Department of Critical Race, Gender, & Culture Studies, American University ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.? ? Arundhati Roy ?Life is short and the world is at least half terrible, and for every kind stranger, there is one who would break you, though I keep this from my children. I am trying to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, walking you through a real shithole, chirps on about good bones: This place could be beautiful, right? You could make this place beautiful.? ? Maggie Smith Having a hard time? Try bit.ly/selfcarehelp for a text-accessible, interactive self-care/executive functioning tool. I am one disabled person who receives an extremely large number of emails every day, and does not have an assistant or staff. This sometimes means that it can take me a few days (or longer) to reply, especially if it is not urgent. I am also unable to provide immediate crisis support as I am a single person and not a hotline or organization. Thank you for your patience and care as I move on crip time. If you are receiving this email outside of your typical working hours, I also hope that you feel no pressure to read or respond until your schedule, workload, and energy permit. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Jun 25 09:57:39 2021 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 25 09:57:59 2021 Subject: [Athen] Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? In-Reply-To: <5edf23c7bb2c4dd88f3516b6d5484b20@uaru.uvic.ca> References: <5edf23c7bb2c4dd88f3516b6d5484b20@uaru.uvic.ca> Message-ID: Lydia ask for dictation apps for the iOS. Wink On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 8:53 AM Charlie Watson wrote: > Hi Wink, > > > > The app you linked is not developed by Apple. The app store page says it > is developed by IBN Software. That might be a perfectly good software > company, but be aware that support and quality control will be completely > separate. > > > > Charlie Watson (dcwatson@uvic.ca) > > Coordinator of Adaptive Technology and Student Information > > Centre for Accessible Learning (www.uvic.ca/cal) > > Division of Student Affairs > > University of Victoria > > 250-472-5483 > > He, him > > Number of the week: 6 > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *foreigntype@gmail.com > > > *Sent:* June 22, 2021 1:01 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Any updates to Dragon Dictate on Mac? > > > > Lydia, > > Dragon Dictate for Mac is DOA and has been for a number of years. There > are two things that work on the Mac from Nuance: > > > > 1. Using a MacBook or a big Mac, one can use a partitioned HD and run the > DNS on the Windows partition (problem is having to cut and paste the > dictation makes it time-consuming and awkward). > > > > 2. Using Dragon Anywhere subscription with a portable recorder, one can > dictate directly to Macs. Difficulties exist around bluetooth connections, > ability to manipulate, edit, and correct text. Cannot use it hands-free. > > > > Since Nuance has recently been bought out by Microsoft, it is unlikely the > Mac product line will be revived or supported. > > > > There is news, though, that Apple has developed their own more > sophisticated (more than the current dictation app allows) speech to text > program. called Dictation. It costs about $35 for the pro version (no ads) > and there's a $20/year subscription required. It does NOT require the > internet to use (as with Dragon Anywhere), and it will sync across your > various i-Devices. > > > > Here's a link for more info. There's a free trial period (one week). > > https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 > > and the app store link: > > https://apps.apple.com/ky/app/dictate-pro-speech-to-text/id1215004055 > > > > Good luck! > > > > Wink > > > > Wink Harner > > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:41 PM Lydia X. Z. Brown > wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Does anyone know if Dragon Dictate works on Mac currently? I'm seeing it > listed as supported for OS X. But what about OS 11? Does Nuance provide > support to Mac users now? > > > > Thanks for any insight, > > > > Lydia > > ________________ > *Lydia X. Z. Brown * > > Pronouns: they/them/theirs/themself or no pronouns > > Phone: +1 (202) 618-0187 > > Homepage: www.lydiaxzbrown.com > > Portfolio: www.autistichoya.net > > > > Founder, Fund for Community Reparations for Autistic People of Color's > Interdependence, Survival, & Empowerment > > > > Adjunct Lecturer in Disability Studies, Georgetown University > > > > Adjunct Professorial Lecturer in American Studies, Department of Critical > Race, Gender, & Culture Studies, American University > > > > ?Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I > can hear her breathing.? > > ? Arundhati Roy > > > > ?Life is short and the world > > is at least half terrible, and for every kind > > stranger, there is one who would break you, > > though I keep this from my children. I am trying > > to sell them the world. Any decent realtor, > > walking you through a real shithole, chirps on > > about good bones: This place could be beautiful, > > right? You could make this place beautiful.? > > ? Maggie Smith > > > > Having a hard time? Try bit.ly/selfcarehelp for a text-accessible, > interactive self-care/executive functioning tool. > > > > I am one disabled person who receives an extremely large number of emails > every day, and does not have an assistant or staff. This sometimes means > that it can take me a few days (or longer) to reply, especially if it is > not urgent. I am also unable to provide immediate crisis support as I am a > single person and not a hotline or organization. Thank you for your > patience and care as I move on crip time > > . > > > > If you are receiving this email outside of your typical working hours, I > also hope that you feel no pressure to read or respond until your schedule, > workload, and energy permit. > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lydia at autistichoya.com Sat Jun 26 16:03:59 2021 From: lydia at autistichoya.com (Lydia X. Z. Brown) Date: Sat Jun 26 16:04:41 2021 Subject: [Athen] Columbus: Ohio State University hiring Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant, Office of Institutional Equity In-Reply-To: <0D50639B-E154-439E-965C-E7A47FDD70B4@osu.edu> References: <0D50639B-E154-439E-965C-E7A47FDD70B4@osu.edu> Message-ID: Just the messenger: This is a newly created position working with a great team! We have posted to hire an Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant. You can learn more about the position and consider applying here: https://osu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/OSUCareers/job/Columbus-Campus/Innovative-Learning-Solutions-Consultant_R19557-2 If you know anyone who may be interested or are part of online communities where you can share, please do! Description: Job Title: Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant Department: Office of Institutional Equity, The Ohio State University With the vision of supporting the values and mission of the Office of Institutional Equity (OIE), the Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant supports a centralized Institutional Equity function that will be a leading model in higher education. OIE is committed to creating an environment that is equitable, fair, and just. OIE coordinates Ohio State's education about and response to reports of all protected class discrimination, harassment and sexual misconduct affecting students, employees, volunteers, and visitors. In partnership with and reporting to the Director of Education & Engagement, the Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant analyzes and designs innovative learning solutions for both online and classroom using an instructional system design (ISD) process. This position designs and implements learning materials that produce greater learning outcomes with a strong focus on best practices, performance support, usability and accessibility. This includes but is not limited to creating visually impactful instructional graphics, online learning modules, and modes of assessment. OIE and this role are responsible for education materials related to anti-discrimination, harassment, and sexual misconduct for the entire university and its many constituents; partnership with all OIE subject matter experts, all campuses, the Wexner Medical Center, and all 88 counties of Ohio is critical. The Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant will evaluate learning and development solutions that address current and future goals of the university and align with the organization?s learning strategy. The Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant serves as an ambassador for the mission of OIE and the shared values of the institution. Ohio State is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Ohio State does not discriminate on the basis of age, ancestry, color, disability, ethnicity, gender, gender identity or expression, genetic information, HIV/AIDS status, military status, national origin, pregnancy, race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, or protected veteran status, or any other bases under the law, in its education program or activity, which includes employment. ***This role is eligible for a flexible work schedule including virtual work with varying hours and days of the week, if desired. However the incumbent must be available for on-site meetings and standard hours of Mon-Fri 8-5 as required to complete the essential job duties. All flexible work schedules require pre-approval from the designated supervisor and are subject to change based on business needs. This position will be a 100% virtual position until university leadership have implemented a return to campus plan.*** Duties Breakdown: - Develops and implements innovative learning solutions to include eLearning, performance support, virtual classroom and various technology to support instructor-led learning Brings best practices in digital, eLearning and virtual classroom to Ohio State to include leading edge technology learning solutions such as virtual reality and eLearning that has various levels of interactivity. - Analyzes and applies innovative practices, using learning technology and ISD models to create authentic, engaging learning experiences - Creates visually impactful instructional graphics that tell compelling stories, user interfaces and finished products aligned with the university branding standards - Devises modes of assessment, such as tests, quizzes or surveys to measure the effectiveness of the learning material - Evaluates learning effectiveness to include all 4 levels of the Kirkpatrick model with an emphasis on ROI using proven methodologies - Manages OIE modules in BuckeyeLearn and manage questions and communications with users - Manages multiple learning projects independently in a fast-paced environment To be successful in the essential duties, the Innovative Learning Solutions Consultant: - Leads learning teams of subject matter experts (e.g. Affirmative Action/Equal Employment Opportunity Coordinator, Americans with Disabilities Act Coordinator, Director of Intake & Investigations, Director of Youth Protection, and Title IX Coordinator) and/or university leaders to identify learning needs, instructional end goals and create content that matches them - Builds positive collaborative partnerships among stakeholders, college and unit leaders, and peers enterprise-wide - Shares and develops others in best practices and innovative learning methods for instructional design and training program - Benchmarks with other organizations to learn about best practices in innovative digital learning strategies and tools Required Qualifications: - Bachelor's degree in instructional design, education, business, or related field. 2-5 years of experience with instructional system design and in-depth knowledge of learning theories and instructional design models. - Must have the ability to interact and build effective business relationships with persons of various identities and backgrounds. - The ability to negotiate or exchange ideas, information and opinions with others to formulate content and programs and/or arrive jointly at decisions, conclusions or solutions. - Must be able to work independently and follow through on assignments with minimal direction. - Ability to perform effectively in environments with frequent workload changes and competing demands - Must be able to establish priorities which accurately reflect the relative importance of job responsibilities. Prioritize assignments to complete work in a timely manner. - Must be able to take action when answers to a problem are not readily available. - Must be able speak on a one-to-one basis or with a small group of individuals using appropriate vocabulary and grammar to obtain information and explain policies, procedures, etc. Requires the ability to read documents, create content, and facilitate in the Standard English language. Desired Qualifications - Master's degree in instructional design, education, business, or related field or advanced certifications preferred. - Expertise in accessibility. - Experience developing assessment tools. - 5+ years experience with developing and implementing best practices in instructional design. Salary range is $58,100-$65,000 [image: The Ohio State University] *Molly Peirano, M.Ed.* Director of Education & Engagement Interim Title IX Coordinator Office of Institutional Equity St. John Arena, 410 Woody Hayes Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 614-247-4113 Office / 614-688-8605 TTY peirano.9@osu.edu / equity.osu.edu Pronouns: she/her/hers / Honorific: Miss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3607 bytes Desc: not available URL: From burke at ucla.edu Mon Jun 28 05:37:40 2021 From: burke at ucla.edu (PATRICK BURKE) Date: Mon Jun 28 05:38:20 2021 Subject: [Athen] Pearson Accessibility team requesting brainstorming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Hadi, If it's not too late, I'm ready to join this discussion. I don't know much, except we had a multi-volume braille economics textbook in our office that someone must have needed for a class in 1997. But no blind student ever took that class again. So eventually I used the empty parts of pages to transcribe meeting notes. But those graphs were very cool... So I think I know what info we want from the end-product, whether audio or tactile.... Good luck making it through the heatwave! Patrick On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:33 PM Hadi Rangin wrote: > Hello my accessibility friends, > > > > My friend and the new accessibility support specialist, Jean Ducrot would > like to have a brainstorming session with a few experts in the > accessibility field to discuss potential accessibility solutions with mand > and economy content in particular some specific graphs types. PMs from math > and economy will be part of the conversation. > > This is an opportunity to work with Pearson team directly to address some > of the long and outstanding accessibility issues with such content. Note > that it an opportunity to shape and drive the accessibility solutions of > such content. > > > > If you are interested, please let me know. The goal is to meet some time > in the week of June 28th. > > > > Thanks, > > Hadi > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is an opportunity to work with Pearson team directly to address some of the long and outstanding accessibility issues with such content. Note that it an opportunity to shape and drive the accessibility solutions of such content. If you are interested, please let me know. The goal is to meet some time in the week of June 28th. Thanks, Hadi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Tue Jun 29 09:40:03 2021 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Tue Jun 29 09:40:17 2021 Subject: [Athen] Kanopy Message-ID: Hello everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. I'm looking for information on audio description within Kanopy. I found a post regarding that there was no support for audio description dated Feb. 2020. Does anyone have any current information? Thanks- Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) Schedule a training East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Tue Jun 29 11:34:54 2021 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 29 11:35:47 2021 Subject: [Athen] Kanopy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alice, To my knowledge, Kanopy supports embedded captions but not audio descriptions. That info is based on a compliance evaluation from 2020 from Madison College Libraries. Here's a link for their brief report: https://libguides.madisoncollege.edu/c.php?g=92610&p=5681040 Madison Libraries Kanopy accessibility Hope this helps. Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:40 AM Wershing, Alice D. wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > I?m looking for information on audio description within Kanopy. I found a > post regarding that there was no support for audio description dated Feb. > 2020. Does anyone have any current information? > > Thanks- > > > > Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. > > Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community > College > > 865-694-6751 > > 865-539-7699 (fax) > > > > Schedule a training > > > > > East TN Region Accessibility Specialist > > > Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus > > > > PSCC Access for All Blog > > PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page > (PSCC-Disability Services) > > PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed > (@Access4allPSCC) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu Tue Jun 29 12:40:12 2021 From: todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu (Weissenberger, T M) Date: Tue Jun 29 12:40:49 2021 Subject: [Athen] Pearson Accessibility team requesting Message-ID: Hi Hadi, I'd also like to join this if possible. Best, Todd T. Matthew Weissenberger IT Accessibility Coordinator University of Iowa 2800 University Capitol Centre 200 S. Clinton Street Iowa City, IA 52242 todd-weissenberger@uiowa.edu 319.384.3323 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 2:01 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [External] athen-list Digest, Vol 185, Issue 16 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman12.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 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URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:34:54 -0700 From: "foreigntype@gmail.com" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Kanopy Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Alice, To my knowledge, Kanopy supports embedded captions but not audio descriptions. That info is based on a compliance evaluation from 2020 from Madison College Libraries. Here's a link for their brief report: https://libguides.madisoncollege.edu/c.php?g=92610&p=5681040 Madison Libraries Kanopy accessibility Hope this helps. Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:40 AM Wershing, Alice D. wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > I?m looking for information on audio description within Kanopy. I > found a post regarding that there was no support for audio description dated Feb. > 2020. Does anyone have any current information? > > Thanks- > > > > Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. > > Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community > College > > 865-694-6751 > > 865-539-7699 (fax) > > > > Schedule a training > ServicesAliceWershing@livepstcc.onmicrosoft.com/bookings/> > > > > East TN Region Accessibility Specialist > > > Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus > > > > PSCC Access for All Blog > > PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page > (PSCC-Disability > Services) > > PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed > (@Access4allPSCC) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 185, Issue 16 ******************************************* From mmintz at pasadena.edu Wed Jun 30 08:17:09 2021 From: mmintz at pasadena.edu (Mark C. Mintz) Date: Wed Jun 30 08:17:22 2021 Subject: [Athen] What's up with AT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nazely, We have, and I do train my students on Kurzweil. We have a site license, which I switched to the ?Sign in with Google? login structure. It was painful for some of my older students because they wipe all the accounts and start over with empty shells. Students who didn?t respond that they needed me to back up their books lost access to older books, though mostly I was able to replace them. This move, however, means anyone can use their PCC email address to log into Kurzweil and ?self help?. This summer, I am vetting videos and making new videos to fill any gaps I identify, and will be posting them on an open Canvas page for all PCC students interested in learning about Assistive Technology, and will start a campaign along with our Accessibility Standards Committee to spread information about these tools. I did this because some instructors (Non-credit English, ESL, etc) have asked for access to this tool, or were planning on buying something similar, and the hope is if it gets enough traction outside DSPS, it can be funded by the district rather than out of DSPS funds. The way I?m tracking who is versus isn?t DSPS is I am adding DSPS students to ?my class?, and everyone else to a default class. I?m keeping OER material and other ?open? documents (handouts from various classes) in the teacher account?s public folder as a way to entice students to use it, and share instructions on uploading PDFs to Kurzweil3000.com. This at least gives us utilization statistics for the DSP&S students. I also teach a lot of students about immersive reading modes in various browsers. Microsoft Edge probably has the best, but there are others. These free tools are available to anyone and work better than the paid software in certain circumstances. There are a lot of people who can benefit from just knowing these tools are there, so I feel it is appropriate to support these tools by training my students. I advocated for adding Immersive Reading mode to our Canvas shell, and I have been satisfied with the feedback from DE. Unfortunately we don?t get any usage data from these types of tools, but since these are web only tools, if they need the same support for other readings, they?ll be using K3000 or other tools as well, and I can track them through alt media numbers if they qualify for DSP&S services, and if not, I have helped de-stigmatize Assistive Technology with a general population student. I think it?s important for us to keep in mind these students are moving on someday, and they will need to have tools they can use. Maybe someone will fund Kurzweil, Dragon, Read and write, or whatever for them after college. Maybe they can afford it themselves. The chances are, free or cheap tools will meet 90% of their needs. They do not need to struggle because they no longer have access to the ?Cadillac? tools. Mark Mintz (he/him/his) Assistive Technology Specialist Pasadena City College PCC Stands against hate Kurzweil 3000 is now available to all students! Kurzweil is a reading support web app that will read aloud any text provided ? and has access to a variety of reading support tools like highlighting and notetaking. Try it today! Log into Kurzweil3000 using the ?Sign in with Google? link. DSP&S is using a new Student Management System, and students need to reach out to their teacher-specialist to ensure their documentation is up to date. If you have any questions about the new system, please ask! From: athen-list On Behalf Of Laurie Vasquez Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 4:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Cc: NYS Disability Services Council Subject: Re: [Athen] What's up with AT? Excellent question. We use Readspeaker in CAnvas but today I.T. wanted to move to Immersive reader in Canvas. VDI and assistive technologies? This Post-Covid recovery will require more strategic planning ahead! Looking forward to discussion. Laurie Vasquez Faculty Assistive Technologies Specialist Santa Barbara City College On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 7:02 AM Kurkjian, Nazely > wrote: Dear Colleagues, I hope you've had a restful and fun start to your summer! I'm thinking a lot about how we approached AT in the past and how we will approach AT now/in the future. At our system, many of our campuses don't have AT specialists. As such, we've all landed on one or two "Cadillac" TTS technologies to support disabled students. For those who do have AT specialists, I trust they have more expertise and time to conduct research and work more individually with students on what's built into their devices and what works best for them. Over the course of the pandemic, we had to pivot to various technologies that integrated with exam security software and other third party products to provide equitable access. Many of our campuses are coming back fully in person in the Fall. Others will continue hyflex and hybrid delivery models (several were already doing this pre-COVID). That being said, have you shifted your perspective and purchases re: literacy / text to speech assistive technologies? Have you moved from commonly used software like Kurzweil or Read&Write to products like ReadSpeaker? If so, will you continue to use ReadSpeaker - in addition to or instead of Kurzweil and Read&Write? Also curious - How are you assessing AT utilization and effectiveness? Peace, Nazely [cid:image001.jpg@01D76D84.532519D0] Nazely Kurkjian, CPACC (she/hers) SUNY System EIT Accessibility Officer The State University of New York H. Carl McCall Building - Albany, New York 12246 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do have a Braille display, but it only shows 20 characters, so it's not a lot of help. Some displays show 40 or 80, but it's still like reading the screen through a soda straw. The issue is similar for people who depend on magnification. In meetings, committees also use zoom chat a lot for real-time collaboration. Though so far I've been able to read everything posted in either of these spaces, I find the multitasking stressful. I don't want to tell people it's inaccessible exactly, because that's untrue. I can read everything and I don't want my committees to feel they have to completely change what they do to accommodate me. but I do wish there was one discussion platform that would easily read what's relevant to the current discussion vs what's not. And of course that's impossible. What's more possible is finding a platform that at least would let me rapidly read the first sentence of each post in reverse chronological order, most recent to least recent. Then a way to single keystroke jump to the edit field where my response is expected. So if someone says "How would you expand on Katie's idea" or "Post your three favorite ideas from the Padlet discussion in to the chat" or "I want everyone to contribute to the question I just posed" I could more efficiently keep up. And if I, an experience screen reader user am struggling, what about these discussion tools in classrooms? How can we keep print-impaired folks from feeling left out when the collaboration is synchronous? I can see using some combination of screen reader quick key navigation and with JAWS its ability to summarize a document; I'll play around with that a bit. But usually I don't have time to set up summary rules for JAWS or figure out which quick keys will rapidly move me to where I need to be on these pages. Often the link to these things is posted in a zoom chat, and it takes me forever to even find it among all the chatter and get a press of Enter to actually activate that link. Maybe someone could set up a screen reader practice board on these platforms, post a public link and let it be a place for screen reader users to actually post tips (as they explore and play around with it) on how to use that platform. It would also be great to hear how people who use other tools, K300, Natural Reader, etc. have successfully worked with these boards. Any tips or thoughts would be appreciated. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Jun 30 12:13:19 2021 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Wed Jun 30 12:14:03 2021 Subject: [Athen] Online discussion tools -- which is most accessible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Debee FWIW, It's impossible for a dictation software user to interact on these platforms either, especially in a synchronous environment. The "chat" windows are not compatible with the dictation software so one must use a separate dictation window (speaking out loud while others are speaking aloud online? What could go wrong?) and do a copy/cut/paste from the dictation box to the chat window. By the time all that's done, the conversation's moved on. I haven't played around with the screen readers in online chat windows, but the multi-tasking involved must be even more challenging while trying to follow the train of the meetings, conversation(s) etc. What I have done (as a dictation software user) is request to "raise" my hand to speak aloud instead of trying to interact on an inaccessible chat box. I hope our "hive" comes up with some viable solutions for this. You and I are certainly not alone in the challenges these platforms throw up (not literally!) in front of us. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:01 AM Deborah Armstrong < armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote: > As a screen reader user, I?m noticing more and more of these online > discussion tools are being used for real-time communication when workers > remotely collaborate. I?m on several committees that like, during their > meetings to use Discord, FlipGrid, Padlet, yammer, Slack ? here?s an > overview: Online Discussion Tools - Center for Teaching and Learning > (wustl.edu) > > > > And though it?s a great way for everyone to post ideas together, it?s a > nightmare for me. I can either listen to the discussion or listen to my > synthesizer attempting to catch up with what everyone is typing. I do have > a Braille display, but it only shows 20 characters, so it?s not a lot of > help. Some displays show 40 or 80, but it?s still like reading the screen > through a soda straw. The issue is similar for people who depend on > magnification. > > > > In meetings, committees also use zoom chat a lot for real-time > collaboration. > > > > Though so far I?ve been able to read everything posted in either of these > spaces, I find the multitasking stressful. I don?t want to tell people it?s > inaccessible exactly, because that?s untrue. I can read everything and I > don?t want my committees to feel they have to completely change what they > do to accommodate me. > > > > but I do wish there was one discussion platform that would easily read > what?s relevant to the current discussion vs what?s not. And of course > that?s impossible. > > > > What?s more possible is finding a platform that at least would let me > rapidly read the first sentence of each post in reverse chronological > order, most recent to least recent. Then a way to single keystroke jump to > the edit field where my response is expected. So if someone says ?How would > you expand on Katie?s idea? or ?Post your three favorite ideas from the > Padlet discussion in to the chat? or ?I want everyone to contribute to the > question I just posed? I could more efficiently keep up. > > > > And if I, an experience screen reader user am struggling, what about > these discussion tools in classrooms? How can we keep print-impaired folks > from feeling left out when the collaboration is synchronous? > > > > I can see using some combination of screen reader quick key navigation and > with JAWS its ability to summarize a document; I?ll play around with that a > bit. But usually I don?t have time to set up summary rules for JAWS or > figure out which quick keys will rapidly move me to where I need to be on > these pages. Often the link to these things is posted in a zoom chat, and > it takes me forever to even find it among all the chatter and get a press > of Enter to actually activate that link. > > > > Maybe someone could set up a screen reader practice board on these > platforms, post a public link and let it be a place for screen reader users > to actually post tips (as they explore and play around with it) on how to > use that platform. It would also be great to hear how people who use other > tools, K300, Natural Reader, etc. have successfully worked with these > boards. > > > > > > Any tips or thoughts would be appreciated. > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Jun 30 12:39:33 2021 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Jun 30 12:39:47 2021 Subject: [Athen] Online discussion tools -- which is most accessible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, one of my co-workers told me about yet another one, called Cahoot. She says her committees use it and was asking me if it was accessible since they may be inviting a physically limited person on their committee. It was just serendipity your post arrived the same time she asked me about it! From: athen-list On Behalf Of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 12:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Online discussion tools -- which is most accessible Debee FWIW, It's impossible for a dictation software user to interact on these platforms either, especially in a synchronous environment. The "chat" windows are not compatible with the dictation software so one must use a separate dictation window (speaking out loud while others are speaking aloud online? What could go wrong?) and do a copy/cut/paste from the dictation box to the chat window. By the time all that's done, the conversation's moved on. I haven't played around with the screen readers in online chat windows, but the multi-tasking involved must be even more challenging while trying to follow the train of the meetings, conversation(s) etc. What I have done (as a dictation software user) is request to "raise" my hand to speak aloud instead of trying to interact on an inaccessible chat box. I hope our "hive" comes up with some viable solutions for this. You and I are certainly not alone in the challenges these platforms throw up (not literally!) in front of us. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:01 AM Deborah Armstrong > wrote: As a screen reader user, I?m noticing more and more of these online discussion tools are being used for real-time communication when workers remotely collaborate. I?m on several committees that like, during their meetings to use Discord, FlipGrid, Padlet, yammer, Slack ? here?s an overview: Online Discussion Tools - Center for Teaching and Learning (wustl.edu) And though it?s a great way for everyone to post ideas together, it?s a nightmare for me. I can either listen to the discussion or listen to my synthesizer attempting to catch up with what everyone is typing. I do have a Braille display, but it only shows 20 characters, so it?s not a lot of help. Some displays show 40 or 80, but it?s still like reading the screen through a soda straw. The issue is similar for people who depend on magnification. In meetings, committees also use zoom chat a lot for real-time collaboration. Though so far I?ve been able to read everything posted in either of these spaces, I find the multitasking stressful. I don?t want to tell people it?s inaccessible exactly, because that?s untrue. I can read everything and I don?t want my committees to feel they have to completely change what they do to accommodate me. but I do wish there was one discussion platform that would easily read what?s relevant to the current discussion vs what?s not. And of course that?s impossible. What?s more possible is finding a platform that at least would let me rapidly read the first sentence of each post in reverse chronological order, most recent to least recent. Then a way to single keystroke jump to the edit field where my response is expected. So if someone says ?How would you expand on Katie?s idea? or ?Post your three favorite ideas from the Padlet discussion in to the chat? or ?I want everyone to contribute to the question I just posed? I could more efficiently keep up. And if I, an experience screen reader user am struggling, what about these discussion tools in classrooms? How can we keep print-impaired folks from feeling left out when the collaboration is synchronous? I can see using some combination of screen reader quick key navigation and with JAWS its ability to summarize a document; I?ll play around with that a bit. But usually I don?t have time to set up summary rules for JAWS or figure out which quick keys will rapidly move me to where I need to be on these pages. Often the link to these things is posted in a zoom chat, and it takes me forever to even find it among all the chatter and get a press of Enter to actually activate that link. Maybe someone could set up a screen reader practice board on these platforms, post a public link and let it be a place for screen reader users to actually post tips (as they explore and play around with it) on how to use that platform. It would also be great to hear how people who use other tools, K300, Natural Reader, etc. have successfully worked with these boards. Any tips or thoughts would be appreciated. --Debee _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girwin2 at hccfl.edu Wed Jun 30 12:51:37 2021 From: girwin2 at hccfl.edu (Irwin, George) Date: Wed Jun 30 12:51:56 2021 Subject: [Athen] siteimprove API use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depending on the level of access one has, you can glean a great deal of information about your web site, who is looking at it and accessibility. Try the tutorials to get started. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lucy GRECO Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv Subject: [Athen] siteimprove API use CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. hello: i am about to start a project to automate some reporting from siteimprove. i have a work study student that is going to be working on this project for me and i was wornding if any one has done some thing like this and could share how and what they did to give the student a foot up on how to get the data i need out of the system thanks lucy Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces Please note: All correspondence to or from this office is subject to Florida's Public Records law. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Wed Jun 30 12:55:49 2021 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy GRECO) Date: Wed Jun 30 12:57:44 2021 Subject: [Athen] siteimprove API use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi do you have links to the tutorial i only have 2 help docs Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 12:52 PM Irwin, George wrote: > Depending on the level of access one has, you can glean a great deal of > information about your web site, who is looking at it and accessibility. > > Try the tutorials to get started. > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Lucy GRECO > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:17 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu>; The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent > Group Listserv > *Subject:* [Athen] siteimprove API use > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > hello: > > i am about to start a project to automate some reporting from > siteimprove. i have a work study student that is going to be working on > this project for me and i was wornding if any one has done some thing > like this and could share how and what they did to give the student a foot > up on how to get the data i need out of the system thanks lucy > > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > Please note: All correspondence to or from this office is subject to > Florida?s Public Records law. > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Jun 30 13:22:28 2021 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Jun 30 13:22:48 2021 Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to you both. Very helpful. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto MA Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 11:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page Hi Debee: If you are more comfortable using the command line, you can download the HTML from the URL (e.g., you can type google-chrome --headless --dump-dom 'URL' > ./PATH/TO/FILE.html) and then use free utilities to convert the (accessible Markdown) TXT version to PDF. You could chain together these commands into a script to make it a simple process. For instance, some possible tools in the script could be HTML2Text, Pandoc, or OfficeToPDF. Of course with OfficeToPDF, there may be things that you would still need to check in Acrobat, but the images + alt text, lists, and headings will all be there... HTML2Text is a great tool in that it would allow you to optionally exclude things that you might not need or want from the web page. For instance, if the images are not so important to the user who just needs alt text, you can use the --images-to-alt option. HTH, Joseph On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:02 AM Karen McCall > wrote: Whenever you choose ?Print > Adobe PDF you will create an inaccessible PDF. You will need Acrobat to create a tagged PDF from a webpage. Choose File > Create > PDF from Webpage and copy the URL into the dialog. The dialog has a Settings button where you can check the checkbox to create Bookmarks and another to add PDF tags. You can also choose how many pages/layers of the website you want to convert to tagged PDF. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 11:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Creating an accessible PDF from a web page When I print a PDF of a web page from Edge or Chrome in Windows 10, I always get an inaccessible PDF. I haven?t needed to do this for a student yet, but I don?t understand why this happens. The text of the web page is already available to whatever default driver is printing my PDF. I?m using whatever the Windows default is, though I?ve tried other solutions. Before I need to do this for real, does anyone know how to easily print an accessible PDF from an accessible web page? --Debee _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alternate Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Jun 30 13:35:50 2021 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Jun 30 13:36:03 2021 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff Message-ID: I have a tiff of a book that was scanned several years ago by a student worker. He did a superb job, except he scanned all the odd-numbered pages in a chapter, then flipped the stack over and scanned all the even-numbered pages. He created a multi-page tiff for each chapter. He then used some software a friend wrote to reorder everything the way he wanted it and created his own PDF. All I got were the original tiff files -- one file per chapter - before he graduated. Anyway, OmniPage and both Kurzweils have a flip pages feature, but it works when you are actually scanning, not when you have an already-scanned tiff file. I looked through the documentation for ImageMagick but I couldn't find anything about automatically reordering pages. I want to find a batch process for reordering the pages. I was thinking of separating it in to individual pages img001.tif, img002.tif, etc.... I have software to do that ... and then renaming the even numbered pages to 2A, 4A etc. but that's still manual labor. I don't care what the resulting format is as long as pages are in order and it will OCR if needed for a future request. Anyone have any bright ideas? I can write code if I have to but I was hoping someone already had a program that did it. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From travis at travisroth.com Wed Jun 30 13:50:20 2021 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Wed Jun 30 13:50:55 2021 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05d001d76df1$8aa64f60$9ff2ee20$@travisroth.com> Hi Debee, I do not quite understand, sorry. So are you saying you have two files, one with all odd pages and one with all even? Anyways I looked in FineReader, and if I create a new OCR project, then choose to open images, there are extra options there and one is to split facing pages. It appears that anything that can be done during a scanning process can be done when opening images instead using FineReader. If you can get a copy of that it may be worth a look? From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff I have a tiff of a book that was scanned several years ago by a student worker. He did a superb job, except he scanned all the odd-numbered pages in a chapter, then flipped the stack over and scanned all the even-numbered pages. He created a multi-page tiff for each chapter. He then used some software a friend wrote to reorder everything the way he wanted it and created his own PDF. All I got were the original tiff files -- one file per chapter - before he graduated. Anyway, OmniPage and both Kurzweils have a flip pages feature, but it works when you are actually scanning, not when you have an already-scanned tiff file. I looked through the documentation for ImageMagick but I couldn't find anything about automatically reordering pages. I want to find a batch process for reordering the pages. I was thinking of separating it in to individual pages img001.tif, img002.tif, etc.. I have software to do that . and then renaming the even numbered pages to 2A, 4A etc. but that's still manual labor. I don't care what the resulting format is as long as pages are in order and it will OCR if needed for a future request. Anyone have any bright ideas? I can write code if I have to but I was hoping someone already had a program that did it. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From travis at travisroth.com Wed Jun 30 13:57:16 2021 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Wed Jun 30 13:57:49 2021 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff In-Reply-To: <05d001d76df1$8aa64f60$9ff2ee20$@travisroth.com> References: <05d001d76df1$8aa64f60$9ff2ee20$@travisroth.com> Message-ID: <05df01d76df2$824e1ef0$86ea5cd0$@travisroth.com> Hi again Debee, One other thought I had is if you can convert the Tif to PDF. Pdftk has a collate feature that seems it'd solve it in that case. https://www.pdflabs.com/blog/how-to-collate-even-odd-scanned-pages/ From: Travis Roth Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:50 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff Hi Debee, I do not quite understand, sorry. So are you saying you have two files, one with all odd pages and one with all even? Anyways I looked in FineReader, and if I create a new OCR project, then choose to open images, there are extra options there and one is to split facing pages. It appears that anything that can be done during a scanning process can be done when opening images instead using FineReader. If you can get a copy of that it may be worth a look? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff I have a tiff of a book that was scanned several years ago by a student worker. He did a superb job, except he scanned all the odd-numbered pages in a chapter, then flipped the stack over and scanned all the even-numbered pages. He created a multi-page tiff for each chapter. He then used some software a friend wrote to reorder everything the way he wanted it and created his own PDF. All I got were the original tiff files -- one file per chapter - before he graduated. Anyway, OmniPage and both Kurzweils have a flip pages feature, but it works when you are actually scanning, not when you have an already-scanned tiff file. I looked through the documentation for ImageMagick but I couldn't find anything about automatically reordering pages. I want to find a batch process for reordering the pages. I was thinking of separating it in to individual pages img001.tif, img002.tif, etc.. I have software to do that . and then renaming the even numbered pages to 2A, 4A etc. but that's still manual labor. I don't care what the resulting format is as long as pages are in order and it will OCR if needed for a future request. Anyone have any bright ideas? I can write code if I have to but I was hoping someone already had a program that did it. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Jun 30 15:20:28 2021 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Jun 30 15:20:59 2021 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff In-Reply-To: <05df01d76df2$824e1ef0$86ea5cd0$@travisroth.com> References: <05d001d76df1$8aa64f60$9ff2ee20$@travisroth.com> <05df01d76df2$824e1ef0$86ea5cd0$@travisroth.com> Message-ID: Thanks for both tips. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Travis Roth Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 1:57 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff Hi again Debee, One other thought I had is if you can convert the Tif to PDF. Pdftk has a collate feature that seems it'd solve it in that case. https://www.pdflabs.com/blog/how-to-collate-even-odd-scanned-pages/ From: Travis Roth > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:50 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff Hi Debee, I do not quite understand, sorry. So are you saying you have two files, one with all odd pages and one with all even? Anyways I looked in FineReader, and if I create a new OCR project, then choose to open images, there are extra options there and one is to split facing pages. It appears that anything that can be done during a scanning process can be done when opening images instead using FineReader. If you can get a copy of that it may be worth a look? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff I have a tiff of a book that was scanned several years ago by a student worker. He did a superb job, except he scanned all the odd-numbered pages in a chapter, then flipped the stack over and scanned all the even-numbered pages. He created a multi-page tiff for each chapter. He then used some software a friend wrote to reorder everything the way he wanted it and created his own PDF. All I got were the original tiff files -- one file per chapter - before he graduated. Anyway, OmniPage and both Kurzweils have a flip pages feature, but it works when you are actually scanning, not when you have an already-scanned tiff file. I looked through the documentation for ImageMagick but I couldn't find anything about automatically reordering pages. I want to find a batch process for reordering the pages. I was thinking of separating it in to individual pages img001.tif, img002.tif, etc.... I have software to do that ... and then renaming the even numbered pages to 2A, 4A etc. but that's still manual labor. I don't care what the resulting format is as long as pages are in order and it will OCR if needed for a future request. Anyone have any bright ideas? I can write code if I have to but I was hoping someone already had a program that did it. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmintz at pasadena.edu Wed Jun 30 15:23:16 2021 From: mmintz at pasadena.edu (Mark C. Mintz) Date: Wed Jun 30 15:23:49 2021 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?d love to test this out since I just spent an hour trying to figure out how I would do it, but what I would be inclined to do is convert it to a PDF, just so I can use my normal tools, then: * Split odd.pdf 1 page per file into a temporary folder with filename like: A #.pdf * Split even.pdf 1 page per file with a name like: B #.pdf * In powershell use the command: o ls | rename-item -NewName {$_.name -replace '(\w+) (\w+)', '$2 $1'} * This reorders the naming from ?A 1.pdf? to ?1 A.pdf? ? essentially making default sort order read the pages in the proper order * Select all files in the folder in windows explorer then context menu -> ?combine files in acrobat?. It should add them in the proper order, though, of course, you should verify that. There?s probably a simpler way, but I was trying to do it without installing software. I know you usually use linux, so I think you can mass rename in a similar manner with sed or some other string manipulator in the command line. (okay, I looked, you could do the same thing using irfanview command line with the switch -extract, but I don?t feel like installing it right now) Best, Mark Mintz (he/him/his) Assistive Technology Specialist Direct phone number: ?(626) 340-0375 Drop-in help is available for Alternate Media, Assistive Technology and Accessibility through a zoom instance. Scheduled daily, please e-mail me for specific times. https://cccconfer.zoom.us/j/91605554896?pwd=Zm1xWEhsRFZlT0ZqQi9mT2xEbGdDQT09 PCC Stands against hate Kurzweil 3000 is now available to all students! Kurzweil is a reading support web app that will read aloud any text provided ? and has access to a variety of reading support tools like highlighting and notetaking. Try it today! Log into Kurzweil3000 using the ?Sign in with Google? link. DSP&S is using a new Student Management System, and students need to reach out to their teacher-specialist to ensure their documentation is up to date. If you have any questions about the new system, please ask! From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 1:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fixing a Tiff I have a tiff of a book that was scanned several years ago by a student worker. He did a superb job, except he scanned all the odd-numbered pages in a chapter, then flipped the stack over and scanned all the even-numbered pages. He created a multi-page tiff for each chapter. He then used some software a friend wrote to reorder everything the way he wanted it and created his own PDF. All I got were the original tiff files -- one file per chapter ? before he graduated. Anyway, OmniPage and both Kurzweils have a flip pages feature, but it works when you are actually scanning, not when you have an already-scanned tiff file. I looked through the documentation for ImageMagick but I couldn?t find anything about automatically reordering pages. I want to find a batch process for reordering the pages. I was thinking of separating it in to individual pages img001.tif, img002.tif, etc?. I have software to do that ? and then renaming the even numbered pages to 2A, 4A etc. but that?s still manual labor. I don?t care what the resulting format is as long as pages are in order and it will OCR if needed for a future request. Anyone have any bright ideas? I can write code if I have to but I was hoping someone already had a program that did it. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: