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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy? Thank you, David McGeehan Dr. David Adam McGeehan Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist Division of Educational Technology Butler County Community College 107 College Drive Butler, PA 16002 david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 [BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with Sources] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25765 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From david.mcgeehan at bc3.edu Fri Dec 2 09:50:25 2022 From: david.mcgeehan at bc3.edu (David McGeehan) Date: Fri Dec 2 09:50:31 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Robert for your response. To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. I'm speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse them. (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome). From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I'm not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy? Thank you, David McGeehan Dr. David Adam McGeehan Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist Division of Educational Technology Butler County Community College 107 College Drive Butler, PA 16002 david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 [BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with Sources] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25765 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Dec 2 10:01:14 2022 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Fri Dec 2 10:01:19 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Best practices for ALL students are to present all available formats, and let them choose. I think you're overthinking it. These are presumably adults, and they need to navigate through things that may bring some initial confusion but it shouldn't be hard for them to figure it out. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Thank you Robert for your response. To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. I'm speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse them. (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome). From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I'm not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy? Thank you, David McGeehan Dr. David Adam McGeehan Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist Division of Educational Technology Butler County Community College 107 College Drive Butler, PA 16002 david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 [BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with Sources] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25765 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From david.mcgeehan at bc3.edu Fri Dec 2 10:05:36 2022 From: david.mcgeehan at bc3.edu (David McGeehan) Date: Fri Dec 2 10:05:42 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Susan. I too believe that I may be overthinking it. But, prior to advocating for a particular course design approach, I thought I'd reach out to this community to see if anyone has encountered any issues that I should take into account. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 1:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. Best practices for ALL students are to present all available formats, and let them choose. I think you're overthinking it. These are presumably adults, and they need to navigate through things that may bring some initial confusion but it shouldn't be hard for them to figure it out. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Thank you Robert for your response. To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. I'm speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse them. (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome). From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I'm not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy? Thank you, David McGeehan Dr. David Adam McGeehan Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist Division of Educational Technology Butler County Community College 107 College Drive Butler, PA 16002 david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 [BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with Sources] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25765 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Dec 2 10:17:55 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Dec 2 10:18:01 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting question. From my experience, students without disabilities have just assumed they are being given options they can choose to best fit their technology needs. It falls into the universal design for learning and universal design for instruction models. On our campus we are using Ally for Blackboard. This gives students the option to have a file that an instructor posts in one format converted to a different format. For example, if the instructor is posting PDF files, the student can instead have the file converted and downloaded as an HTML file which may work better for the technology they have available to them. They could also have the file downloaded as an audio file using synthetic speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually. There is really nothing to indicate that this is a disability thing in Blackboard. Last spring we had more than two thousand files converted and downloaded as either PDF or EPUB files by more than 1,400 students. We do not have nearly that many students registered for accommodations at our school. I'm not sure any of this helps, but that's about the best I can tell you. Students seem to like the ability to convert and download the format they like. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important Thank you Robert for your response. To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. I'm speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse them. (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome). From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I'm not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy? Thank you, David McGeehan Dr. David Adam McGeehan Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist Division of Educational Technology Butler County Community College 107 College Drive Butler, PA 16002 david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 [BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with Sources] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert, your mention of Ally's creation of an " audio file using synthetic speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually" is more closely aligned to the UDL principle "multiple means of representation" and the UDL guideline 1 "Perception - Interact with flexible content that doesn't depend on a single sense like sight, hearing, movement, or touch." Best regards, Ann Source: CAST (2018). Universal Design for Learning Guidelines version 2.2. Retrieved from http://udlguidelines.cast.org/representation *Please fill out this short survey regarding your service today: *COOL Consultation Survey Ann Newland, EdS, CPACC Accessibility Specialist - Center of Online Learning Accessibility Columbus State University 706-507-8530 On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 1:19 PM Robert Beach wrote: > Interesting question. From my experience, students without disabilities > have just assumed they are being given options they can choose to best fit > their technology needs. It falls into the universal design for learning and > universal design for instruction models. > > > > On our campus we are using Ally for Blackboard. This gives students the > option to have a file that an instructor posts in one format converted to a > different format. For example, if the instructor is posting PDF files, the > student can instead have the file converted and downloaded as an HTML file > which may work better for the technology they have available to them. They > could also have the file downloaded as an audio file using synthetic speech > so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually. There is > really nothing to indicate that this is a disability thing in Blackboard. > > > > Last spring we had more than two thousand files converted and downloaded > as either PDF or EPUB files by more than 1,400 students. We do not have > nearly that many students registered for accommodations at our school. > > > > I?m not sure any of this helps, but that?s about the best I can tell you. > Students seem to like the ability to convert and download the format they > like. > > > > > > *Robert Lee Beach* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* ? Student Accessibility & Support > Services > > > > *Kansas City Kansas Community College* > > 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 > > O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *David McGeehan > *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2022 11:50 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple > formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy > > > > You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is > important > > Thank you Robert for your response. > > > > To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning > modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in > multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., > redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to > choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. > > > > I?m speculating that students not living with a disability may not be > aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so > redundant material formats may confuse them. > > > > (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split > attention, though insights into that would be welcome). > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Beach > *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple > formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy > > > > *Caution: * > > *This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open > attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know > or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe.* > > I?m not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, > are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of > the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the > words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of > motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > *Robert Lee Beach* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* ? Student Accessibility & Support > Services > > > > *Kansas City Kansas Community College* > > 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 > > O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *David McGeehan > *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple > formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy > > > > You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is > important > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course > materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous > cognitive load of redundancy? > > > > Thank you, > > > > *David McGeehan* > > Dr. David Adam McGeehan > > Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist > > Division of Educational Technology > Butler County Community College > > 107 College Drive > > Butler, PA 16002 > > david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu > > 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 > > > > [image: BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with > Sources] > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Even students who know what they mean may be frustrated if they can't identify what option best meets their preference. For example, an option may be called MP3 but the student is non-technical and just expects to see audiobook or audio file or talking book. I'll also mention the issue of learned helplessness here. The AT adoption literature talks a good deal about the impact of repeated bad experiences leading to poor motivation to explore further options. This could also be a risk of offering a lot of options. I would say that all this can be readily mitigated if some guidance is provided. This could be one-on-one guidance by disability services staff. Or, it could be a more universal approach that provides brief explanations of what each option is and maybe even providing a decision tree or flow network to help a person determine something to try. Both the personal and general approach is probably best. Katherine "Kate" Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 1:18 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Interesting question. From my experience, students without disabilities have just assumed they are being given options they can choose to best fit their technology needs. It falls into the universal design for learning and universal design for instruction models. On our campus we are using Ally for Blackboard. This gives students the option to have a file that an instructor posts in one format converted to a different format. For example, if the instructor is posting PDF files, the student can instead have the file converted and downloaded as an HTML file which may work better for the technology they have available to them. They could also have the file downloaded as an audio file using synthetic speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually. There is really nothing to indicate that this is a disability thing in Blackboard. Last spring we had more than two thousand files converted and downloaded as either PDF or EPUB files by more than 1,400 students. We do not have nearly that many students registered for accommodations at our school. I'm not sure any of this helps, but that's about the best I can tell you. Students seem to like the ability to convert and download the format they like. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important Thank you Robert for your response. To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. I'm speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse them. (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome). From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I'm not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy? Thank you, David McGeehan Dr. David Adam McGeehan Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist Division of Educational Technology Butler County Community College 107 College Drive Butler, PA 16002 david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 [BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with Sources] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25765 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From kndeibel at metageekery.org Fri Dec 2 10:49:28 2022 From: kndeibel at metageekery.org (Katherine Deibel) Date: Fri Dec 2 10:49:33 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It?s been a bit (over a year) since I last tested the output quality of Ally, but I was generally impressed enough to put it among the better of the automated systems. It?s certainly not perfect and should be provided with a caution. However, it was good enough that I sometimes used Ally as a step in my manual remediation process. As I mentioned in another response to this thread, the audio conversion does not always remove running headers and footers. If I was providing an audio file as an accommodation, that would be intolerable of course. On the other hand, an imperfect recording may be better than having to wait for near perfect version. One of the big issues in remediation has always been the impact of delays on the student?s learning experience due to waiting for materials. It?s a tradeoff game. I think it helps, from a practical viewpoint, to treat medium quality automation like Ally as a placeholder for quality content. Katherine ?Kate? Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list On Behalf Of Ann Newland Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 1:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Hi All, I'm a little suspicious of Blackboard Ally. They use an automated process to make documents "accessible." Robert, have you done a manual evaluation of the "accessible" files created by Ally or had experienced users test them? How accessible are they really? Blackboard seems to be stretching the UDL principle "multiple means of representation' to also include multiple file formats. Yes, multiple file formats may be helpful to students, but the UDL principle goes further than simply multiple formats. Robert, your mention of Ally's creation of an " audio file using synthetic speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually" is more closely aligned to the UDL principle "multiple means of representation" and the UDL guideline 1 "Perception - Interact with flexible content that doesn't depend on a single sense like sight, hearing, movement, or touch." Best regards, Ann Source: CAST (2018). Universal Design for Learning Guidelines version 2.2. Retrieved from http://udlguidelines.cast.org/representation Please fill out this short survey regarding your service today: COOL Consultation Survey Ann Newland, EdS, CPACC Accessibility Specialist - Center of Online Learning Accessibility Columbus State University 706-507-8530 On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 1:19 PM Robert Beach > wrote: Interesting question. From my experience, students without disabilities have just assumed they are being given options they can choose to best fit their technology needs. It falls into the universal design for learning and universal design for instruction models. On our campus we are using Ally for Blackboard. This gives students the option to have a file that an instructor posts in one format converted to a different format. For example, if the instructor is posting PDF files, the student can instead have the file converted and downloaded as an HTML file which may work better for the technology they have available to them. They could also have the file downloaded as an audio file using synthetic speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually. There is really nothing to indicate that this is a disability thing in Blackboard. Last spring we had more than two thousand files converted and downloaded as either PDF or EPUB files by more than 1,400 students. We do not have nearly that many students registered for accommodations at our school. I?m not sure any of this helps, but that?s about the best I can tell you. Students seem to like the ability to convert and download the format they like. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist ? Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important Thank you Robert for your response. To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. I?m speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse them. (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome). From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I?m not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist ? Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy? Thank you, David McGeehan Dr. David Adam McGeehan Instructional Designer and Accessibility Specialist Division of Educational Technology Butler County Community College 107 College Drive Butler, PA 16002 david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu 724-287-8711 ext. 8019 [BC3 Logo, 8X #1 Community College in Pennsylvania Graphic with Sources] _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I was going to mention Ally in Blackboard as well. I can attest that students have reported a love of the ability to download texts as audio files. They even seem to have a high tolerance for annoyances like the audio including running headers and footers, page numbers, etc. It is definitely a universal design effect in action. I will say that you are a bit justified in you concern on offering multiple choices for disabled students. If they lack experience in knowing what best aids them, they might face issues such as choice paralysis and overload. Even students who know what they mean may be frustrated if they can't identify what option best meets their preference. For example, an option may be called MP3 but the student is non-technical and just expects to see audiobook or audio file or talking book. I'll also mention the issue of learned helplessness here. The AT adoption literature talks a good deal about the impact of repeated bad experiences leading to poor motivation to explore further options. This could also be a risk of offering a lot of options. I would say that all this can be readily mitigated if some guidance is provided. This could be one-on-one guidance by disability services staff. Or, it could be a more universal approach that provides brief explanations of what each option is and maybe even providing a decision tree or flow network to help a person determine something to try. Both the personal and general approach is probably best. Katherine "Kate" Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 1:18 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Interesting question. From my experience, students without disabilities have just assumed they are being given options they can choose to best fit their technology needs. It falls into the universal design for learning and universal design for instruction models. On our campus we are using Ally for Blackboard. This gives students the option to have a file that an instructor posts in one format converted to a different format. For example, if the instructor is posting PDF files, the student can instead have the file converted and downloaded as an HTML file which may work better for the technology they have available to them. They could also have the file downloaded as an audio file using synthetic speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually. There is really nothing to indicate that this is a disability thing in Blackboard. Last spring we had more than two thousand files converted and downloaded as either PDF or EPUB files by more than 1,400 students. We do not have nearly that many students registered for accommodations at our school. I'm not sure any of this helps, but that's about the best I can tell you. Students seem to like the ability to convert and download the format they like. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important Thank you Robert for your response. To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc. I'm speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse them. (BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome). From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy Caution: This email originated from outside of BC3. Do not click links, open attachments, or provide any information based on this email unless you know or can verify the sender and know the contents are safe. I'm not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of David McGeehan Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 11:24 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy You don't often get email from david.mcgeehan@bc3.edu. Learn why this is important CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. 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We are working on starting a newsletter from our department and I want to make sure that we are being as inclusive as possible. If you have any information or experience with Publicate, I would really appreciate hearing about it. Thanks, H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Pronouns: She/Her* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. * Verna Myers, author and speaker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And 10 is very difficult to achieve with any off-the-shelf email newsletter product that I know of today. Which is why we code our own. And incorporate feedback from AT users along the way. Using this process we have crafted an email newsletter template over the years that is not only fully accessible, but is also incredibly fast and easy for AT users to navigate. Something that you simply cannot achieve today without coding the email newsletter template yourself. That said, I fully realize that not everyone can entertain this possibility, but I wanted to mention it simply because it still provides an important frame of reference. We use the Constant Contact platform to serve all of our email newsletters using a custom coded template. Outside of custom, much of your email newsletter?s accessibility will be determined by the template you choose, which will have been created by your platform provider, and will almost certainly be unable to be edited by you. Which puts your accessibility at the mercy of the template you choose. And often finds you in the position of trying to make their template accessible through ticket submission. That, at least, has been our experience. I sincerely hope it helps in your search for an accessible email newsletter product. Aaron Di Blasi, PMP Publisher (2020-Present) Top Tech Tidbits The Week's News in Adaptive Technology https://toptechtidbits.com ? Publisher (2022-Present) Access Information News The Week's News in Access Information https://accessinformationnews.com ? Sr. Project Management Professional (2006-Present) Mind Vault Solutions, Ltd. Innovative ideas. Solutions that perform. https://mvsltd.com ? Email: enews@toptechtidbits.com ? 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If you have any information or experience with Publicate, I would really appreciate hearing about it. Thanks, H. Heather Mariger Digital Accessibility Advocate Pronouns: She/Her Center for Academic Innovation Chemeketa Community College 4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A Salem, OR 97305 503.589.7832 ***************** Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. Verna Myers, author and speaker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Pronouns: She/Her* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. * Verna Myers, author and speaker On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:47 PM Top Tech Tidbits wrote: > Hello Heather, > > > > My name is Aaron Di Blasi and I am the Publisher for the Top Tech Tidbits ( > https://www.toptechtidbits.com/) and Access Information News ( > https://www.accessinformationnews.com/) weekly newsletters. While I > cannot provide you with any direct information or experience around > Publicate, specifically, I can share with you some of what we have learned > in serving an accessible newsletter to a worldwide audience on a weekly > basis. The most important thing to understand where newsletters are > concerned is that ?accessible? is not a Boolean value. It is instead a > scale from 1 (completely inaccessible) to 10 (fully accessible and easy for > AT users to use). And 10 is very difficult to achieve with any > off-the-shelf email newsletter product that I know of today. Which is why > we code our own. And incorporate feedback from AT users along the way. > Using this process we have crafted an email newsletter template over the > years that is not only fully accessible, but is also incredibly fast and > easy for AT users to navigate. Something that you simply cannot achieve > today without coding the email newsletter template yourself. That said, I > fully realize that not everyone can entertain this possibility, but I > wanted to mention it simply because it still provides an important frame of > reference. We use the Constant Contact platform to serve all of our email > newsletters using a custom coded template. Outside of custom, much of your > email newsletter?s accessibility will be determined by the template you > choose, which will have been created by your platform provider, and will > almost certainly be unable to be edited by you. Which puts your > accessibility at the mercy of the template you choose. And often finds you > in the position of trying to make their template accessible through ticket > submission. That, at least, has been our experience. I sincerely hope it > helps in your search for an accessible email newsletter product. > > > > *Aaron Di Blasi, PMP* > > > > Publisher (2020-Present) > > *Top Tech Tidbits* > > The Week's News in Adaptive Technology > > https://toptechtidbits.com ? > > > > Publisher (2022-Present) > > *Access Information News * > > The Week's News in Access Information > > https://accessinformationnews.com ? > > > > Sr. Project Management Professional (2006-Present) > > *Mind Vault Solutions, Ltd. * > > Innovative ideas. 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Wasn't it July about 10 minutes ago? > > > > Sorry for the cross-posting but I was hoping that someone may be able to > share some information about how accessible newsletters made with Publicate > are. > > > > We are working on starting a newsletter from our department and I want to > make sure that we are being as inclusive as possible. > > > > If you have any information or experience with Publicate, I would really > appreciate hearing about it. > > > > Thanks, > > H. > > > > *Heather Mariger* > > *Digital Accessibility Advocate* > > *Pronouns: She/Her* > > > > *Center for Academic Innovation* > > *Chemeketa Community College* > > *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* > > *Salem, OR 97305* > > > > 503.589.7832 > > > > ***************** > > *Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to > dance. * > > Verna Myers, author and speaker > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subscribe: https://toptechtidbits.com/subscribe Premium Subscriber: https://toptechtidbits.com/premium Donate: https://toptechtidbits.com/donate Facebook: https://toptechtidbits.com/facebook Twitter: https://toptechtidbits.com/twitter LinkedIn: https://toptechtidbits.com/linkedin RSS Feed: https://toptechtidbits.com/rss Sponsorship Information: https://toptechtidbits.com/sponsor Archive Search: https://toptechtidbits.com/search A Mind Vault Solutions, Ltd. Publication: https://mvsltd.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and attachments, if any, may contain confidential information, which is privileged and protected from disclosure by Federal and State confidentiality laws, rules, and regulations. This e-mail and attachments, if any, are intended for the designated addressee only. If you are not the designated addressee, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this e-mail and its attachments, if any, may be unlawful and may subject you to legal consequences. If you have received this e-mail and attachments in error, please delete the e-mail and its attachments from your computer. From: Heather Mariger Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2022 6:58 PM To: enews@toptechtidbits.com; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] Publicate Newsletter tool Thanks so much - that is really helpful... H. Heather Mariger Digital Accessibility Advocate Pronouns: She/Her Center for Academic Innovation Chemeketa Community College 4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A Salem, OR 97305 503.589.7832 ***************** Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. Verna Myers, author and speaker On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:47 PM Top Tech Tidbits > wrote: Hello Heather, My name is Aaron Di Blasi and I am the Publisher for the Top Tech Tidbits (https://www.toptechtidbits.com/) and Access Information News (https://www.accessinformationnews.com/) weekly newsletters. While I cannot provide you with any direct information or experience around Publicate, specifically, I can share with you some of what we have learned in serving an accessible newsletter to a worldwide audience on a weekly basis. The most important thing to understand where newsletters are concerned is that ?accessible? is not a Boolean value. It is instead a scale from 1 (completely inaccessible) to 10 (fully accessible and easy for AT users to use). And 10 is very difficult to achieve with any off-the-shelf email newsletter product that I know of today. Which is why we code our own. And incorporate feedback from AT users along the way. Using this process we have crafted an email newsletter template over the years that is not only fully accessible, but is also incredibly fast and easy for AT users to navigate. Something that you simply cannot achieve today without coding the email newsletter template yourself. That said, I fully realize that not everyone can entertain this possibility, but I wanted to mention it simply because it still provides an important frame of reference. We use the Constant Contact platform to serve all of our email newsletters using a custom coded template. Outside of custom, much of your email newsletter?s accessibility will be determined by the template you choose, which will have been created by your platform provider, and will almost certainly be unable to be edited by you. Which puts your accessibility at the mercy of the template you choose. And often finds you in the position of trying to make their template accessible through ticket submission. That, at least, has been our experience. I sincerely hope it helps in your search for an accessible email newsletter product. Aaron Di Blasi, PMP Publisher (2020-Present) Top Tech Tidbits The Week's News in Adaptive Technology https://toptechtidbits.com ? Publisher (2022-Present) Access Information News The Week's News in Access Information https://accessinformationnews.com ? Sr. Project Management Professional (2006-Present) Mind Vault Solutions, Ltd. Innovative ideas. Solutions that perform. https://mvsltd.com ? Email: enews@toptechtidbits.com ? Subscribe: https://toptechtidbits.com/subscribe Premium Subscriber: https://toptechtidbits.com/premium Donate: https://toptechtidbits.com/donate Facebook: https://toptechtidbits.com/facebook Twitter: https://toptechtidbits.com/twitter LinkedIn: https://toptechtidbits.com/linkedin RSS Feed: https://toptechtidbits.com/rss Sponsorship Information: https://toptechtidbits.com/sponsor Archive Search: https://toptechtidbits.com/search A Mind Vault Solutions, Ltd. Publication: https://mvsltd.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and attachments, if any, may contain confidential information, which is privileged and protected from disclosure by Federal and State confidentiality laws, rules, and regulations. This e-mail and attachments, if any, are intended for the designated addressee only. If you are not the designated addressee, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this e-mail and its attachments, if any, may be unlawful and may subject you to legal consequences. If you have received this e-mail and attachments in error, please delete the e-mail and its attachments from your computer. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Heather Mariger Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 8:53 PM To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Community Group Listserv >; Access Technology Higher Education Network >; WebAIM Discussion List > Subject: [Athen] Publicate Newsletter tool Greetings, Happy Holidays! Wasn't it July about 10 minutes ago? Sorry for the cross-posting but I was hoping that someone may be able to share some information about how accessible newsletters made with Publicate are. We are working on starting a newsletter from our department and I want to make sure that we are being as inclusive as possible. If you have any information or experience with Publicate, I would really appreciate hearing about it. Thanks, H. Heather Mariger Digital Accessibility Advocate Pronouns: She/Her Center for Academic Innovation Chemeketa Community College 4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A Salem, OR 97305 503.589.7832 ***************** Diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance. Verna Myers, author and speaker _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 21097 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dhayman at olympic.edu Thu Dec 15 12:47:56 2022 From: dhayman at olympic.edu (Hayman, Douglass) Date: Thu Dec 15 12:48:01 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Thu Dec 15 13:07:27 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Thu Dec 15 13:07:32 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Doug, Thanks for that information. I was wondering if an accessible Word form would convert to PDF and keep the accessibility of the form, so it's good to know that it won't. The folks who contacted us already have a PDF form, but it has no editable form fields, only lines where the information is to be entered. Maybe they can just go through and add the form fields manually. Thanks again, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From dhayman at olympic.edu Thu Dec 15 13:16:03 2022 From: dhayman at olympic.edu (Hayman, Douglass) Date: Thu Dec 15 13:16:09 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Russell, That is what I've done with Acrobat Pro with adding in the form fields in the proper reading order, adding tool tips for each as I go, then needing to go into the tags tree to choose Find>unmarked annotations for all pages....picking "tag element" for all those that it finds. Lastly the work of manually placing those under form tags nested with the P tags that are the visible text next to those visible form fields. Might not be doing this the best, most efficient way. Just what I learned via one tutorial. Could connect over zoom and show some of my process. Hopefully someone else with a better way will jump into this and say, "No, don't do what he's suggesting. Do this instead." Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi Doug, Thanks for that information. I was wondering if an accessible Word form would convert to PDF and keep the accessibility of the form, so it's good to know that it won't. The folks who contacted us already have a PDF form, but it has no editable form fields, only lines where the information is to be entered. Maybe they can just go through and add the form fields manually. Thanks again, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From Kevin.Price at ucf.edu Thu Dec 15 13:21:41 2022 From: Kevin.Price at ucf.edu (Kevin Price) Date: Thu Dec 15 13:21:47 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like the simple directions from the University of Washington: https://www.washington.edu/accessibility/documents/forms/ Kevin Price, MSW Assistant Director of Accessible Technology Student Accessibility Services Ginsburg Center for Inclusion and Community Engagement University of Central Florida 4000 Central Florida Blvd Ferrell Commons, Room 155B Orlando, FL 32816-3661 Office: 407.823.2371 kevin.price@ucf.edu sas.sdes.ucf.edu Please note: Florida has a very broad open records law (F.S. 119). Emails may be subject to public disclosure. SAS acknowledges the value of expressing identity-first (disabled person) and person first (person with disability) language in our communication. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 3:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Thu Dec 15 13:25:10 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Thu Dec 15 13:25:15 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Doug, I was looking at a WebAIM site and your method sounds similar to what they were recommending! ? Thanks so much, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 2:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. Russell, That is what I?ve done with Acrobat Pro with adding in the form fields in the proper reading order, adding tool tips for each as I go, then needing to go into the tags tree to choose Find>unmarked annotations for all pages?.picking ?tag element? for all those that it finds. Lastly the work of manually placing those under form tags nested with the P tags that are the visible text next to those visible form fields. Might not be doing this the best, most efficient way. Just what I learned via one tutorial. Could connect over zoom and show some of my process. Hopefully someone else with a better way will jump into this and say, ?No, don?t do what he?s suggesting. Do this instead.? Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi Doug, Thanks for that information. I was wondering if an accessible Word form would convert to PDF and keep the accessibility of the form, so it?s good to know that it won?t. The folks who contacted us already have a PDF form, but it has no editable form fields, only lines where the information is to be entered. Maybe they can just go through and add the form fields manually. Thanks again, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I?m no expert but from what I?ve heard you can?t really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we?ve been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Thu Dec 15 14:11:33 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Thu Dec 15 14:11:38 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kevin, I like the way those instructions are presented. Thanks so much, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 2:22 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I like the simple directions from the University of Washington: https://www.washington.edu/accessibility/documents/forms/ Kevin Price, MSW Assistant Director of Accessible Technology Student Accessibility Services Ginsburg Center for Inclusion and Community Engagement University of Central Florida 4000 Central Florida Blvd Ferrell Commons, Room 155B Orlando, FL 32816-3661 Office: 407.823.2371 kevin.price@ucf.edu sas.sdes.ucf.edu Please note: Florida has a very broad open records law (F.S. 119). Emails may be subject to public disclosure. SAS acknowledges the value of expressing identity-first (disabled person) and person first (person with disability) language in our communication. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 3:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. 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Coordinator of Universal Design and Accessibility: https://www.schooljobs.com/careers/yvccwa/jobs/3731020/universal-design-and- accessibility-coordinator?sort=Salary%7CDescending &pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs Coordinator of ASL and Disability Support Services: https://www.schooljobs.com/careers/yvccwa/jobs/3814671/coordinator-asl-disab ility-support-services?sort=Salary%7CDescending &pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs Tristen Breitenfeldt Program Assistant Disability Support Services Yakima Valley Community College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 37046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Dec 16 06:08:43 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Dec 16 06:08:51 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Adding the forms to the existing PDF would probably be the best way to go. Be sure and remind them to label the forms correctly so a screen reader can identify the field. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 3:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Doug, Thanks for that information. I was wondering if an accessible Word form would convert to PDF and keep the accessibility of the form, so it's good to know that it won't. The folks who contacted us already have a PDF form, but it has no editable form fields, only lines where the information is to be entered. Maybe they can just go through and add the form fields manually. Thanks again, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From K4mccall at outlook.com Fri Dec 16 06:44:21 2022 From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall) Date: Fri Dec 16 06:44:26 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I advise people to create the form template in Word but not to use symbols or underline to represent any of the form controls. This can be done in Acrobat Pro DC. Save the form template as a tagged PDF and move to Acrobat. Validate the PDF and then add the form controls. Make sure to add the ToolTips. Then add the form tags to the Tags Tree alongside the text for the appropriate question. This is the best way to create a form if you aren't using InDesign. As Doug says, you could use HTML. I find that most HTML forms don't let you download and fill in the form at your own pace or don't have a "save and continue" function; and, most don't give you an accessible copy of the form once you fill it out/submit it. That is the only advantage I see to creating either an accessible HTML or PDF form. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 9:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Adding the forms to the existing PDF would probably be the best way to go. Be sure and remind them to label the forms correctly so a screen reader can identify the field. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 3:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Doug, Thanks for that information. I was wondering if an accessible Word form would convert to PDF and keep the accessibility of the form, so it's good to know that it won't. The folks who contacted us already have a PDF form, but it has no editable form fields, only lines where the information is to be entered. Maybe they can just go through and add the form fields manually. Thanks again, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Fri Dec 16 09:20:46 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Fri Dec 16 09:20:51 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Robert. Yes, I'll be sure to let them know about labeling the form fields, or tool tips for the form fields. Take care, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 7:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. Adding the forms to the existing PDF would probably be the best way to go. Be sure and remind them to label the forms correctly so a screen reader can identify the field. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 3:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Doug, Thanks for that information. I was wondering if an accessible Word form would convert to PDF and keep the accessibility of the form, so it's good to know that it won't. The folks who contacted us already have a PDF form, but it has no editable form fields, only lines where the information is to be entered. Maybe they can just go through and add the form fields manually. Thanks again, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Fri Dec 16 09:22:47 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Fri Dec 16 09:22:53 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Karen, Thanks for your feedback! I'll be sure to pass it along. Take care, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karen McCall Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 7:44 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I advise people to create the form template in Word but not to use symbols or underline to represent any of the form controls. This can be done in Acrobat Pro DC. Save the form template as a tagged PDF and move to Acrobat. Validate the PDF and then add the form controls. Make sure to add the ToolTips. Then add the form tags to the Tags Tree alongside the text for the appropriate question. This is the best way to create a form if you aren't using InDesign. As Doug says, you could use HTML. I find that most HTML forms don't let you download and fill in the form at your own pace or don't have a "save and continue" function; and, most don't give you an accessible copy of the form once you fill it out/submit it. That is the only advantage I see to creating either an accessible HTML or PDF form. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 9:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Adding the forms to the existing PDF would probably be the best way to go. Be sure and remind them to label the forms correctly so a screen reader can identify the field. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 3:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Doug, Thanks for that information. I was wondering if an accessible Word form would convert to PDF and keep the accessibility of the form, so it's good to know that it won't. The folks who contacted us already have a PDF form, but it has no editable form fields, only lines where the information is to be entered. Maybe they can just go through and add the form fields manually. Thanks again, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? EXTERNAL: Use caution. I'm no expert but from what I've heard you can't really have an accessible form in Word that then converts to an accessible PDF form. That said, from having taken an online course in the topic, if you create the skeleton for the form in Word and then make a PDF, you can add the form fields in the spaces you made in Word for the input. Then there are all those other steps that are fairly time consuming. Lately we've been using web-based forms instead as they are easier to create and more accessible. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Simple instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hi everyone, Hope finals are going well. Does anyone happen to have some easy to understand instructions for creating accessible forms in Adobe Pro? Or, is it better to create an accessible form in Word and then convert to PDF? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. 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As part of this transition, they are considering the removal of physical phones altogether on the basis that everyone should have Teams on their individual laptops/desktops and therefore would have access to a phone. Does anyone have any knowledge of the accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone that we should be aware of prior to such a transition? Thanks, Ione Priest (they/she) | Assistant Director of Accessibility Technology and Testing CPACC, DHS Certified Trusted Tester Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 303-615-0200 (office) www.msudenver.edu/access This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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How do I have a plugged in speaker bar AND do TEAMS calls? I'm not giving up my speaker. I work in a big open room with other people. Where's my privacy for phone calls?? It's messy. It was supposed to have been implemented earlier this year but obviously some things have changed. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D91141.36B8AFC0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Priest, Ione Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 11:13 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? Hi all, Our IT department is looking at transitioning our telephony system from Skype to Teams Phone next summer. As part of this transition, they are considering the removal of physical phones altogether on the basis that everyone should have Teams on their individual laptops/desktops and therefore would have access to a phone. Does anyone have any knowledge of the accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone that we should be aware of prior to such a transition? Thanks, Ione Priest (they/she) | Assistant Director of Accessibility Technology and Testing CPACC, DHS Certified Trusted Tester Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 303-615-0200 (office) www.msudenver.edu/access This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Dave From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 12:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? We've got the same thing going on here, and they suggested we look at alternatives for those with disabilities. Which is hella annoying. Here is the statement they gave: Microsoft Teams can be very difficult and time-consuming for users of assistive technology. In those cases, alternative options listed on the Teams Accessibility page should be considered There is just not enough information right now to really get through this. How do I have a plugged in speaker bar AND do TEAMS calls? I'm not giving up my speaker. I work in a big open room with other people. Where's my privacy for phone calls?? It's messy. It was supposed to have been implemented earlier this year but obviously some things have changed. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Priest, Ione Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 11:13 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? Hi all, Our IT department is looking at transitioning our telephony system from Skype to Teams Phone next summer. As part of this transition, they are considering the removal of physical phones altogether on the basis that everyone should have Teams on their individual laptops/desktops and therefore would have access to a phone. Does anyone have any knowledge of the accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone that we should be aware of prior to such a transition? Thanks, Ione Priest (they/she) | Assistant Director of Accessibility Technology and Testing CPACC, DHS Certified Trusted Tester Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 303-615-0200 (office) www.msudenver.edu/access This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, I end up using my iPhone for such calls. If there's an easy way to do this with a screen reader, I'd be most grateful to find out how. Have a great weekend everyone, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 2:33 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? EXTERNAL: Use caution. Hello, YVCC has already replaced their phones with Microsoft Teams. I am blind and use JAWS and occasionally NVDA. The Teams desktop client is okay using a screen reader for IM messages, but I've found it very difficult to initiate calls using Teams. So, when making calls on Teams, I use the app on my iPhone. It is a bit clunky, but better than the desktop app. Tristen Breitenfeldt [JAWS Certified, 2019] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 37023 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From kelly at theideaplace.net Sat Dec 17 05:58:34 2022 From: kelly at theideaplace.net (Kelly Ford) Date: Sat Dec 17 05:58:40 2022 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? In-Reply-To: References: <000201d91195$f3cda440$db68ecc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, If you have not already done so, you should share this feedback with Microsoft's enterprise Disability Answer Desk (eDAD) team via email to edad@microsoft.com. See http://aka.ms/edad for more details. Kelly From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 5:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? Hi, We switched to Microsoft Teams for phone calls last fall. It's really not accessible for me as a screen reader user. If you place an outgoing call and have to enter a number, i.e. 1 for billing, 2 for tech support, 3, for customer service, etc., this cannot easily be done. I thought perhaps turning numlock on on the number pad would allow me to enter numbers, but it doesn't. You first need to tab around till you find the "Dialpad" button, enter on that, and then tab to and press enter on the number you wish to enter. Usually by the time I find the dialpad, the call has ended. So, I end up using my iPhone for such calls. If there's an easy way to do this with a screen reader, I'd be most grateful to find out how. Have a great weekend everyone, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 2:33 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? EXTERNAL: Use caution. Hello, YVCC has already replaced their phones with Microsoft Teams. I am blind and use JAWS and occasionally NVDA. The Teams desktop client is okay using a screen reader for IM messages, but I've found it very difficult to initiate calls using Teams. So, when making calls on Teams, I use the app on my iPhone. It is a bit clunky, but better than the desktop app. Tristen Breitenfeldt [JAWS Certified, 2019] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 37023 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From lnorwich at bu.edu Mon Dec 19 13:26:38 2022 From: lnorwich at bu.edu (Norwich, Lorraine S) Date: Mon Dec 19 13:26:45 2022 Subject: [Athen] Help with old braille embosser and workaround Message-ID: Dear All, We are working with an old Index Version 3 that is not working for us with Windows 11 and the latest Duxbury Version 4.6. The printer works and the software translates into braille but it does not print. We did download the drivers and double checked but it did not work. Does anyone have ideas, thoughts to help with getting this to work for us. Happy Holidays, Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Mon Dec 19 13:51:47 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Mon Dec 19 13:51:52 2022 Subject: [Athen] Help with old braille embosser and workaround In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lorraine, When you set up your embosser in Duxbury, what did you set as the output? If you go to Global, Embosser Setup, and then choose to "Modify embosser" on the General Tab, you will see Output Options. Mine is set to "Output Options Send to Printer", and the printer it is outputting to is "Index Basic-D V3". I'm using Windows 10, but that shouldn't matter, I wouldn't think. Hope this helps, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 2:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET Subject: [Athen] Help with old braille embosser and workaround EXTERNAL: Use caution. Dear All, We are working with an old Index Version 3 that is not working for us with Windows 11 and the latest Duxbury Version 4.6. The printer works and the software translates into braille but it does not print. We did download the drivers and double checked but it did not work. Does anyone have ideas, thoughts to help with getting this to work for us. Happy Holidays, Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Mon Dec 19 14:05:03 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Mon Dec 19 14:05:08 2022 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? In-Reply-To: References: <000201d91195$f3cda440$db68ecc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelly, Thanks for that suggestion. I've contacted them and will write back if they have any useful tips. Happy holidays, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kelly Ford Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2022 6:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? You don't often get email from kelly@theideaplace.net. Learn why this is important EXTERNAL: Use caution. Hi, If you have not already done so, you should share this feedback with Microsoft's enterprise Disability Answer Desk (eDAD) team via email to edad@microsoft.com. See http://aka.ms/edad for more details. Kelly From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 5:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? Hi, We switched to Microsoft Teams for phone calls last fall. It's really not accessible for me as a screen reader user. If you place an outgoing call and have to enter a number, i.e. 1 for billing, 2 for tech support, 3, for customer service, etc., this cannot easily be done. I thought perhaps turning numlock on on the number pad would allow me to enter numbers, but it doesn't. You first need to tab around till you find the "Dialpad" button, enter on that, and then tab to and press enter on the number you wish to enter. Usually by the time I find the dialpad, the call has ended. So, I end up using my iPhone for such calls. If there's an easy way to do this with a screen reader, I'd be most grateful to find out how. Have a great weekend everyone, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 2:33 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Microsoft Teams Phone? EXTERNAL: Use caution. Hello, YVCC has already replaced their phones with Microsoft Teams. I am blind and use JAWS and occasionally NVDA. The Teams desktop client is okay using a screen reader for IM messages, but I've found it very difficult to initiate calls using Teams. So, when making calls on Teams, I use the app on my iPhone. It is a bit clunky, but better than the desktop app. Tristen Breitenfeldt [JAWS Certified, 2019] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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