From wilbert.pines at ucr.edu Tue Sep 6 11:26:28 2022 From: wilbert.pines at ucr.edu (Wilbert Pines III) Date: Tue Sep 6 11:26:34 2022 Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Russel, The backend is part of clockwork already. Its' the front end/student facing online module that would be an additional purchase. I believe it was under $1000 two plus years ago when we purchased, and it was a one time purchase (ownership), not a subscription. Best, WILL PINES (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter "A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions." [cid:image005.png@01D7A637.04E64190] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database Hi Will, Thanks for this feedback. It sounds like ClockWork works well for alternate format services. Just to clarify, is the Online Alt Media module (frontend) a part of ClockWork? Have a great weekend, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wilbert Pines III Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 2:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database EXTERNAL: Use caution. I use the alternative text module (backend) in ClockWork coupled with the Online Alt Media module through student portal (front end) for requests. Student have access 24/7 to process/status/download. We also use the inventory module for loans of for assistive tech (hardware and software). We have electronic contract signatures that are stored in their profile. Best, WILL PINES (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter "A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions." [cid:image001.png@01D8C1E3.5AF4A8B0] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 3:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database Hi everyone, Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We currently use a proprietary database to track all our disability services, accommodations, exams, technology, alt format, etc. For the alternate format piece, students complete an online request form with the information for the book they want in an alternate format: Title, Edition, Author, ISBN, Publisher, and include the course, term, instructor, date of textbook purchase and price paid. When they submit this online form, the information gets populated in our database. If we already have the requested alt format on file, there is a field that will show, "Item in inventory". We have the ability to run a number of reports in the database, for example, we can run a report to show all the requests received for any given term and year, a report to show all the requests made by a specific student, and much more. We are looking at perhaps moving to Accommodate by Symplicity as our database. I recall asking on this list last January if anyone was using Accommodate, and it appeared that none of you were. I am hoping that perhaps things have changed since then. So, if anyone is using Accommodate, can you tell me how the alternate format module works? Do you have the ability to run reports and pull out specific information? Is there a front end where students can enter their alt format requests? Does it have the ability to show whether or not the requested alt format is one that you already have? Does it work well? Also, can you track technology in Accommodate? We have loaner equipment that students borrow, and we need a way to track what technology students have out on loan, and what technology is left in inventory. If there are still no Accommodate users out there, I would appreciate it if anyone using any of the commercially available databases could answer my questions above. Many thanks, and hope you all have a great fall term. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8101 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Tue Sep 6 12:37:02 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Tue Sep 6 12:37:07 2022 Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Will, Thanks for clarifying that. Have a great day, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wilbert Pines III Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 12:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database EXTERNAL: Use caution. HI Russel, The backend is part of clockwork already. Its' the front end/student facing online module that would be an additional purchase. I believe it was under $1000 two plus years ago when we purchased, and it was a one time purchase (ownership), not a subscription. Best, WILL PINES (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter "A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions." [cid:image001.png@01D8C1F5.BDF10FF0] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database Hi Will, Thanks for this feedback. It sounds like ClockWork works well for alternate format services. Just to clarify, is the Online Alt Media module (frontend) a part of ClockWork? Have a great weekend, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wilbert Pines III Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 2:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database EXTERNAL: Use caution. I use the alternative text module (backend) in ClockWork coupled with the Online Alt Media module through student portal (front end) for requests. Student have access 24/7 to process/status/download. We also use the inventory module for loans of for assistive tech (hardware and software). We have electronic contract signatures that are stored in their profile. Best, WILL PINES (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter "A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions." [cid:image001.png@01D8C1F5.BDF10FF0] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 3:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database Hi everyone, Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We currently use a proprietary database to track all our disability services, accommodations, exams, technology, alt format, etc. For the alternate format piece, students complete an online request form with the information for the book they want in an alternate format: Title, Edition, Author, ISBN, Publisher, and include the course, term, instructor, date of textbook purchase and price paid. When they submit this online form, the information gets populated in our database. If we already have the requested alt format on file, there is a field that will show, "Item in inventory". We have the ability to run a number of reports in the database, for example, we can run a report to show all the requests received for any given term and year, a report to show all the requests made by a specific student, and much more. We are looking at perhaps moving to Accommodate by Symplicity as our database. I recall asking on this list last January if anyone was using Accommodate, and it appeared that none of you were. I am hoping that perhaps things have changed since then. So, if anyone is using Accommodate, can you tell me how the alternate format module works? Do you have the ability to run reports and pull out specific information? Is there a front end where students can enter their alt format requests? Does it have the ability to show whether or not the requested alt format is one that you already have? Does it work well? Also, can you track technology in Accommodate? We have loaner equipment that students borrow, and we need a way to track what technology students have out on loan, and what technology is left in inventory. If there are still no Accommodate users out there, I would appreciate it if anyone using any of the commercially available databases could answer my questions above. Many thanks, and hope you all have a great fall term. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8101 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From Maria.Spade at stockton.edu Tue Sep 6 15:37:27 2022 From: Maria.Spade at stockton.edu (Spade, Maria) Date: Tue Sep 6 15:37:36 2022 Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Russell, Good evening. Our institution uses Accommodate, although I am not currently using that model. If you would like to reach out to me, I am happy to share with you some of the features and reporting it can do to see if this would be a good fit for your institution. Thank you, Maria Spade Adaptive Technology Specialist, Learning Access Program, Vice President for Professional Staff, Stockton Federation of Teachers, Local 2275 Pronouns: She, her, hers Stockton University 101 Vera King Farris Drive Galloway, NJ 08205 609.652.4988 The information contained in this electronic message may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the material. ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 3:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT: The sender is not using a Stockton email address. Please use caution. Hi Will, Thanks for clarifying that. Have a great day, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wilbert Pines III Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 12:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database EXTERNAL: Use caution. HI Russel, The backend is part of clockwork already. Its? the front end/student facing online module that would be an additional purchase. I believe it was under $1000 two plus years ago when we purchased, and it was a one time purchase (ownership), not a subscription. Best, WILL PINES (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter ?A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions.? [cid:image001.png@01D8C1F5.BDF10FF0] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database Hi Will, Thanks for this feedback. It sounds like ClockWork works well for alternate format services. Just to clarify, is the Online Alt Media module (frontend) a part of ClockWork? Have a great weekend, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wilbert Pines III Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 2:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database EXTERNAL: Use caution. I use the alternative text module (backend) in ClockWork coupled with the Online Alt Media module through student portal (front end) for requests. Student have access 24/7 to process/status/download. We also use the inventory module for loans of for assistive tech (hardware and software). We have electronic contract signatures that are stored in their profile. Best, WILL PINES (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter ?A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions.? [cid:image001.png@01D8C1F5.BDF10FF0] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 3:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database Hi everyone, Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We currently use a proprietary database to track all our disability services, accommodations, exams, technology, alt format, etc. For the alternate format piece, students complete an online request form with the information for the book they want in an alternate format: Title, Edition, Author, ISBN, Publisher, and include the course, term, instructor, date of textbook purchase and price paid. When they submit this online form, the information gets populated in our database. If we already have the requested alt format on file, there is a field that will show, ?Item in inventory?. We have the ability to run a number of reports in the database, for example, we can run a report to show all the requests received for any given term and year, a report to show all the requests made by a specific student, and much more. We are looking at perhaps moving to Accommodate by Symplicity as our database. I recall asking on this list last January if anyone was using Accommodate, and it appeared that none of you were. I am hoping that perhaps things have changed since then. So, if anyone is using Accommodate, can you tell me how the alternate format module works? Do you have the ability to run reports and pull out specific information? Is there a front end where students can enter their alt format requests? Does it have the ability to show whether or not the requested alt format is one that you already have? Does it work well? Also, can you track technology in Accommodate? We have loaner equipment that students borrow, and we need a way to track what technology students have out on loan, and what technology is left in inventory. If there are still no Accommodate users out there, I would appreciate it if anyone using any of the commercially available databases could answer my questions above. Many thanks, and hope you all have a great fall term. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8101 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From mthomps2 at umbc.edu Tue Sep 6 18:17:20 2022 From: mthomps2 at umbc.edu (Cassie Kilroy Thompson) Date: Tue Sep 6 18:17:34 2022 Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Russell, Many of the barriers that others have expressed about Accommodate are based on their institutions settings for importing schedules, timing of requests, etcetera. We have been using Accommodate since 2016, and import every student's schedule and information as soon as it is available in PeopleSoft, the product that UMBC uses for student schedules and profile data. I think Accommodate does a good job of keeping all of those overlapping semesters separate in terms of current and future courses, and there is a setting for who should receive notifications when specific requests are made. We do not currently track specific alt format requests in Accommodate (currently using a google form), but we could. I am working with our bookstore on getting a book list formatted to import into Accommodate every semester so that ISBN and other pertinent information for course materials would already be available to attach to those requests. Students CAN request alt formats in Accommodate - it is an internal form that is customizable - but it only becomes available to a given student when they are approved for that accommodation for the current semester. Accommodate itself is not currently a *repository* for the alt format documents themselves, as the cloud storage for that would be unwieldy right now, but representatives at Symplicity have said it is something they are exploring. I recommend contacting a representative at Accommodate to explore your concerns. ~~~~ *Cassie Kilroy Thompson (she/hers)* *Assistant Director: Student Services and Operations* *email: mthomps2@umbc.edu * Phone: 410-455-3248 My Virtual Office SDS liaison to Shady Grove Campus ******************************************************************** Accessibility Disability Services Math/Psychology Building, Room 212 1000 Hilltop Circle Baltimore, MD 21250 On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 6:04 PM Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Hope you all had a wonderful summer. > > We currently use a proprietary database to track all our disability > services, accommodations, exams, technology, alt format, etc. For the > alternate format piece, students complete an online request form with the > information for the book they want in an alternate format: Title, Edition, > Author, ISBN, Publisher, and include the course, term, instructor, date of > textbook purchase and price paid. When they submit this online form, the > information gets populated in our database. If we already have the > requested alt format on file, there is a field that will show, "Item in > inventory". We have the ability to run a number of reports in the database, > for example, we can run a report to show all the requests received for any > given term and year, a report to show all the requests made by a specific > student, and much more. > > We are looking at perhaps moving to Accommodate by Symplicity as our > database. I recall asking on this list last January if anyone was using > Accommodate, and it appeared that none of you were. I am hoping that > perhaps things have changed since then. > > So, if anyone is using Accommodate, can you tell me how the alternate > format module works? Do you have the ability to run reports and pull out > specific information? Is there a front end where students can enter their > alt format requests? Does it have the ability to show whether or not the > requested alt format is one that you already have? Does it work well? > Also, can you track technology in Accommodate? We have loaner equipment > that students borrow, and we need a way to track what technology students > have out on loan, and what technology is left in inventory. > > If there are still no Accommodate users out there, I would appreciate it > if anyone using any of the commercially available databases could answer my > questions above. > > Many thanks, and hope you all have a great fall term. > > Best regards, > > Russell > > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources > MacEwan University > 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > [MacEwan Logo] > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is > the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and > respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First > Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Wed Sep 7 08:08:22 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Wed Sep 7 08:09:54 2022 Subject: [Athen] Anyone have this in alt format? Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm just wondering if anyone has the following title in an electronic format (PDF or Word)? It is self-published by the author, and, the author is not cooperating with us at all, to say the least. We contacted him last fall for the same title, and he responded saying he had to contact his IP attorney, and we never heard back, despite following up several times. Now he tells us that the title we are requesting is discontinued and no longer available. Of course, he has a new edition out, and he says he might b able to provide a PDF of that, but our bookstore has the original title in stock, and that is the edition being used for the fall term. When I told him this, he responded by saying that he is going to follow up with the instructor. So frustrating. Has anyone scanned this title already? If not, that will be our next step. Infection Control in the Hearing Aid Clinic 1E Aukse E. Bankaitis 9780964523517 Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 22669 bytes Desc: not available URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Wed Sep 7 09:57:57 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Wed Sep 7 09:58:03 2022 Subject: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Cassie, Thanks so much for your detailed response. This helps a lot. Take good care, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Cassie Kilroy Thompson Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 7:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Tracking alternate format services and technology inventory in Accommodate Symplicity database You don't often get email from mthomps2@umbc.edu. Learn why this is important EXTERNAL: Use caution. Russell, Many of the barriers that others have expressed about Accommodate are based on their institutions settings for importing schedules, timing of requests, etcetera. We have been using Accommodate since 2016, and import every student's schedule and information as soon as it is available in PeopleSoft, the product that UMBC uses for student schedules and profile data. I think Accommodate does a good job of keeping all of those overlapping semesters separate in terms of current and future courses, and there is a setting for who should receive notifications when specific requests are made. We do not currently track specific alt format requests in Accommodate (currently using a google form), but we could. I am working with our bookstore on getting a book list formatted to import into Accommodate every semester so that ISBN and other pertinent information for course materials would already be available to attach to those requests. Students CAN request alt formats in Accommodate - it is an internal form that is customizable - but it only becomes available to a given student when they are approved for that accommodation for the current semester. Accommodate itself is not currently a repository for the alt format documents themselves, as the cloud storage for that would be unwieldy right now, but representatives at Symplicity have said it is something they are exploring. I recommend contacting a representative at Accommodate to explore your concerns. ~~~~ Cassie Kilroy Thompson (she/hers) Assistant Director: Student Services and Operations email: mthomps2@umbc.edu Phone: 410-455-3248 My Virtual Office SDS liaison to Shady Grove Campus ******************************************************************** [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=11o9m2BMLp7AfTfXgiaWAVxdtMUz_EEES&revid=0Bw1zQ57rlXp1WXZoYjNZNkwxeFlRbHc2QkorU0J1eXdYa0RnPQ] Accessibility Disability Services Math/Psychology Building, Room 212 1000 Hilltop Circle Baltimore, MD 21250 On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 6:04 PM Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: Hi everyone, Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We currently use a proprietary database to track all our disability services, accommodations, exams, technology, alt format, etc. For the alternate format piece, students complete an online request form with the information for the book they want in an alternate format: Title, Edition, Author, ISBN, Publisher, and include the course, term, instructor, date of textbook purchase and price paid. When they submit this online form, the information gets populated in our database. If we already have the requested alt format on file, there is a field that will show, "Item in inventory". We have the ability to run a number of reports in the database, for example, we can run a report to show all the requests received for any given term and year, a report to show all the requests made by a specific student, and much more. We are looking at perhaps moving to Accommodate by Symplicity as our database. I recall asking on this list last January if anyone was using Accommodate, and it appeared that none of you were. I am hoping that perhaps things have changed since then. So, if anyone is using Accommodate, can you tell me how the alternate format module works? Do you have the ability to run reports and pull out specific information? Is there a front end where students can enter their alt format requests? Does it have the ability to show whether or not the requested alt format is one that you already have? Does it work well? Also, can you track technology in Accommodate? We have loaner equipment that students borrow, and we need a way to track what technology students have out on loan, and what technology is left in inventory. If there are still no Accommodate users out there, I would appreciate it if anyone using any of the commercially available databases could answer my questions above. Many thanks, and hope you all have a great fall term. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Access and Disability Resources MacEwan University 7-164K, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca> T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. 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I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. 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Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. 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URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Sep 9 13:11:06 2022 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Fri Sep 9 13:11:11 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I doubt many of the publisher-produced PDFs are not accessible/tagged. Every article I run into on a library database produced by a publisher is well-formatted and perfectly tagged. The author specifically points to librarians creating documents using Microsoft word, so I'm assuming these are in-house documents. You don't create a PDF in Adobe PDF, you create it somewhere else and export it to PDF, with tags and etc. This is why I feel like the author doesn't really understand what he is talking about. Even a basically formatted Word file with the use of styles/headings exports as a nice PDF once it is done, and it takes very little time to do that. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I'm not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. 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Of course, your experience may be different also for textbooks, but I more often than not find that textbooks in PDF are not tagged and so now I'm wondering why textbooks are treated differently than journal articles? ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I doubt many of the publisher-produced PDFs are not accessible/tagged. Every article I run into on a library database produced by a publisher is well-formatted and perfectly tagged. The author specifically points to librarians creating documents using Microsoft word, so I?m assuming these are in-house documents. You don?t create a PDF in Adobe PDF, you create it somewhere else and export it to PDF, with tags and etc. This is why I feel like the author doesn?t really understand what he is talking about. Even a basically formatted Word file with the use of styles/headings exports as a nice PDF once it is done, and it takes very little time to do that. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From kerscher at montana.com Fri Sep 9 15:23:05 2022 From: kerscher at montana.com (kerscher@montana.com) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:23:11 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00bc01d8c49a$bbda8e60$338fab20$@montana.com> Hello, Many scholarly journalsare written in the XML vocabulary called "Journal Article Tag Suite" (JATS). This is a rich vocabulary the journal artless are authored in. They are then transformed into normally HTML or PDF for consumption. There is an accessibility working group for JATS that has just been started.Some of the issues they are dealing with is making sure the articles have proper markup for tables and alt text being provided. There is huge potential to make scholarly publications accessible through transformations into HTML that has full accessibility markup. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 2:43 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Thanks, that's great news about articles generally being tagged. Of course, your experience may be different also for textbooks, but I more often than not find that textbooks in PDF are not tagged and so now I'm wondering why textbooks are treated differently than journal articles? _____ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I doubt many of the publisher-produced PDFs are not accessible/tagged. Every article I run into on a library database produced by a publisher is well-formatted and perfectly tagged. The author specifically points to librarians creating documents using Microsoft word, so I'm assuming these are in-house documents. You don't create a PDF in Adobe PDF, you create it somewhere else and export it to PDF, with tags and etc. This is why I feel like the author doesn't really understand what he is talking about. Even a basically formatted Word file with the use of styles/headings exports as a nice PDF once it is done, and it takes very little time to do that. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? _____ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I'm not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi: https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. 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If there are any resources out there you can recommend, that sounds like some interesting history to read up on and learn how and why journals converged on a publishing standard whereas textbooks have not... ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of kerscher@montana.com Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:23 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Hello, Many scholarly journalsare written in the XML vocabulary called ?Journal Article Tag Suite? (JATS). This is a rich vocabulary the journal artless are authored in. They are then transformed into normally HTML or PDF for consumption. There is an accessibility working group for JATS that has just been started.Some of the issues they are dealing with is making sure the articles have proper markup for tables and alt text being provided. There is huge potential to make scholarly publications accessible through transformations into HTML that has full accessibility markup. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 2:43 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Thanks, that's great news about articles generally being tagged. Of course, your experience may be different also for textbooks, but I more often than not find that textbooks in PDF are not tagged and so now I'm wondering why textbooks are treated differently than journal articles? ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I doubt many of the publisher-produced PDFs are not accessible/tagged. Every article I run into on a library database produced by a publisher is well-formatted and perfectly tagged. The author specifically points to librarians creating documents using Microsoft word, so I?m assuming these are in-house documents. You don?t create a PDF in Adobe PDF, you create it somewhere else and export it to PDF, with tags and etc. This is why I feel like the author doesn?t really understand what he is talking about. Even a basically formatted Word file with the use of styles/headings exports as a nice PDF once it is done, and it takes very little time to do that. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C468.037BD680] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C468.037BD680] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. 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I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C4A3.1ECAF340] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. 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From: athen-list On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C463.C7FAABD0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From steve.green at testpartners.co.uk Sat Sep 10 03:23:38 2022 From: steve.green at testpartners.co.uk (Steve Green) Date: Sat Sep 10 03:23:43 2022 Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no experience of dealing with maths in any document format. I know people who do implement it in PDF, but I don?t know how they do it. There are many types of content and many aspects of accessibility, so a full assessment of all them in all the different document formats would be a substantial piece of work. And some people never encounter some content types, so some shortcomings of a particular document format may not matter to them. For instance, in 17 years of doing document remediation, I have never encountered maths, physics or chemical formulae, but I know someone who deals with exam papers who does hundreds of such PDFs every year. We do a lot of annual financial reports in which every page has a unique, complex layout and dozens of charts, graphs, flowcharts, org charts etc., but some people in the education sector may never have to work on documents like this. Forms are one type of content that PDF can handle very well (if you know what you are doing), but Word handles extremely badly regardless of what you do. For people who need to use alternative colour themes, Adobe Reader?s colour substitution options for the text and background colours are far better than those in Word. For people with low vision, PDF allows reflow options that don?t exist in Word. This means that the zoom level can be increased without limit without a horizontal scrollbar appearing, so you only need to scroll in one direction. Adobe Reader has a basic reflow capability, while the VIP PDF Reader supports reflow even better. The nearest feature that Word has is the Web Layout, but horizontal scrolling is necessary even at low levels of magnification. Steve From: athen-list On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 09 September 2022 23:50 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C503.549A9420] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From john.gardner at viewplus.com Sat Sep 10 09:37:11 2022 From: john.gardner at viewplus.com (John Gardner) Date: Sat Sep 10 09:37:18 2022 Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, please understand that advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible. I am no expert in this area, but I do believe that with minimal care, html can be created so that everything is accessible. Perhaps not as beautiful as PDF, but I am unaware of anything that cannot be presented in html. So why not advocate for html and point out areas where it needs improvement? John From: athen-list On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 3:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I have no experience of dealing with maths in any document format. I know people who do implement it in PDF, but I don?t know how they do it. There are many types of content and many aspects of accessibility, so a full assessment of all them in all the different document formats would be a substantial piece of work. And some people never encounter some content types, so some shortcomings of a particular document format may not matter to them. For instance, in 17 years of doing document remediation, I have never encountered maths, physics or chemical formulae, but I know someone who deals with exam papers who does hundreds of such PDFs every year. We do a lot of annual financial reports in which every page has a unique, complex layout and dozens of charts, graphs, flowcharts, org charts etc., but some people in the education sector may never have to work on documents like this. Forms are one type of content that PDF can handle very well (if you know what you are doing), but Word handles extremely badly regardless of what you do. For people who need to use alternative colour themes, Adobe Reader?s colour substitution options for the text and background colours are far better than those in Word. For people with low vision, PDF allows reflow options that don?t exist in Word. This means that the zoom level can be increased without limit without a horizontal scrollbar appearing, so you only need to scroll in one direction. Adobe Reader has a basic reflow capability, while the VIP PDF Reader supports reflow even better. The nearest feature that Word has is the Web Layout, but horizontal scrolling is necessary even at low levels of magnification. Steve From: athen-list On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 09 September 2022 23:50 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C4F8.97CEB6F0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From steve.green at testpartners.co.uk Sat Sep 10 11:24:50 2022 From: steve.green at testpartners.co.uk (Steve Green) Date: Sat Sep 10 11:24:57 2022 Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don?t advocate for any document format, but I do advocate for accurate information about document formats because so much incorrect information gets spread around, mostly by people who have not done any research into the topic. I do research on a daily basis and have done for 17 years. I don?t even understand what you mean by ?advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible?. As I have already said several times, the accessibility of a PDF is at least as good as the source document and usually better. HTML is undoubtedly the most accessible document format, but it is not suitable for certain use cases. For instance, HTML does not provide any method of digital rights management, which PDF does. It cannot be archived in a form that cannot be edited, which PDF can. Also, many content authors say they do not have the skills or facilities to create HTML content. I don?t know why you refer to PDFs as being beautiful, because you don?t create content as PDF. Any beauty comes from the source document, such as Word. And suggesting that minimal care is required to create accessible HTML could not be more wrong, unless you are talking about trivial documents. Steve From: athen-list On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 10 September 2022 17:37 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, please understand that advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible. I am no expert in this area, but I do believe that with minimal care, html can be created so that everything is accessible. Perhaps not as beautiful as PDF, but I am unaware of anything that cannot be presented in html. So why not advocate for html and point out areas where it needs improvement? John From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 3:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I have no experience of dealing with maths in any document format. I know people who do implement it in PDF, but I don?t know how they do it. There are many types of content and many aspects of accessibility, so a full assessment of all them in all the different document formats would be a substantial piece of work. And some people never encounter some content types, so some shortcomings of a particular document format may not matter to them. For instance, in 17 years of doing document remediation, I have never encountered maths, physics or chemical formulae, but I know someone who deals with exam papers who does hundreds of such PDFs every year. We do a lot of annual financial reports in which every page has a unique, complex layout and dozens of charts, graphs, flowcharts, org charts etc., but some people in the education sector may never have to work on documents like this. Forms are one type of content that PDF can handle very well (if you know what you are doing), but Word handles extremely badly regardless of what you do. For people who need to use alternative colour themes, Adobe Reader?s colour substitution options for the text and background colours are far better than those in Word. For people with low vision, PDF allows reflow options that don?t exist in Word. This means that the zoom level can be increased without limit without a horizontal scrollbar appearing, so you only need to scroll in one direction. Adobe Reader has a basic reflow capability, while the VIP PDF Reader supports reflow even better. The nearest feature that Word has is the Web Layout, but horizontal scrolling is necessary even at low levels of magnification. Steve From: athen-list > On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 09 September 2022 23:50 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C549.4D8B9F30] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Subscribe: https://toptechtidbits.com/subscribe Premium Subscriber: https://toptechtidbits.com/premium Donate: https://toptechtidbits.com/donate Facebook: https://toptechtidbits.com/facebook Twitter: https://toptechtidbits.com/twitter LinkedIn: https://toptechtidbits.com/linkedin RSS Feed: https://toptechtidbits.com/rss Sponsorship Information: https://toptechtidbits.com/sponsor Archive Search: https://toptechtidbits.com/search A Mind Vault Solutions, Ltd. Publication: https://mvsltd.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and attachments, if any, may contain confidential information, which is privileged and protected from disclosure by Federal and State confidentiality laws, rules, and regulations. This e-mail and attachments, if any, are intended for the designated addressee only. If you are not the designated addressee, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this e-mail and its attachments, if any, may be unlawful and may subject you to legal consequences. If you have received this e-mail and attachments in error, please delete the e-mail and its attachments from your computer. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t advocate for any document format, but I do advocate for accurate information about document formats because so much incorrect information gets spread around, mostly by people who have not done any research into the topic. I do research on a daily basis and have done for 17 years. I don?t even understand what you mean by ?advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible?. As I have already said several times, the accessibility of a PDF is at least as good as the source document and usually better. HTML is undoubtedly the most accessible document format, but it is not suitable for certain use cases. For instance, HTML does not provide any method of digital rights management, which PDF does. It cannot be archived in a form that cannot be edited, which PDF can. Also, many content authors say they do not have the skills or facilities to create HTML content. I don?t know why you refer to PDFs as being beautiful, because you don?t create content as PDF. Any beauty comes from the source document, such as Word. And suggesting that minimal care is required to create accessible HTML could not be more wrong, unless you are talking about trivial documents. Steve From: athen-list > On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 10 September 2022 17:37 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, please understand that advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible. I am no expert in this area, but I do believe that with minimal care, html can be created so that everything is accessible. Perhaps not as beautiful as PDF, but I am unaware of anything that cannot be presented in html. So why not advocate for html and point out areas where it needs improvement? John From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 3:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I have no experience of dealing with maths in any document format. I know people who do implement it in PDF, but I don?t know how they do it. There are many types of content and many aspects of accessibility, so a full assessment of all them in all the different document formats would be a substantial piece of work. And some people never encounter some content types, so some shortcomings of a particular document format may not matter to them. For instance, in 17 years of doing document remediation, I have never encountered maths, physics or chemical formulae, but I know someone who deals with exam papers who does hundreds of such PDFs every year. We do a lot of annual financial reports in which every page has a unique, complex layout and dozens of charts, graphs, flowcharts, org charts etc., but some people in the education sector may never have to work on documents like this. Forms are one type of content that PDF can handle very well (if you know what you are doing), but Word handles extremely badly regardless of what you do. For people who need to use alternative colour themes, Adobe Reader?s colour substitution options for the text and background colours are far better than those in Word. For people with low vision, PDF allows reflow options that don?t exist in Word. This means that the zoom level can be increased without limit without a horizontal scrollbar appearing, so you only need to scroll in one direction. Adobe Reader has a basic reflow capability, while the VIP PDF Reader supports reflow even better. The nearest feature that Word has is the Web Layout, but horizontal scrolling is necessary even at low levels of magnification. Steve From: athen-list > On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 09 September 2022 23:50 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF? From: athen-list On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi: https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To finally get to the actual PDF file and, hopefully, take advantage of its accessibility, you must find the Download button (with poor visual contrast) and manually open the file in your version of Acrobat on your computer or device. * Their website with current journal https://crl.acrl.org/index.php/crl/issue/viewIssue/1623/18 * Their current newsletter https://crln.acrl.org/index.php/crlnews/issue/viewIssue/1624/19 * Their website on the ALA website https://www.ala.org/acrl/aboutacrl * And their annual report PDF https://crln.acrl.org/index.php/crlnews/article/view/24736/32571 As Susan K. and Steve G. commented earlier, it doesn?t seem that the article?s author knows what they?re talking about. And after reviewing the organization?s website, neither does it. That?s sad because they have excellent information on the site, but it?s available only to those who are sighted and abled. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? How to get your vendors on board with accessibility From: athen-list On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t advocate for any document format, but I do advocate for accurate information about document formats because so much incorrect information gets spread around, mostly by people who have not done any research into the topic. I do research on a daily basis and have done for 17 years. I don?t even understand what you mean by ?advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible?. As I have already said several times, the accessibility of a PDF is at least as good as the source document and usually better. HTML is undoubtedly the most accessible document format, but it is not suitable for certain use cases. For instance, HTML does not provide any method of digital rights management, which PDF does. It cannot be archived in a form that cannot be edited, which PDF can. Also, many content authors say they do not have the skills or facilities to create HTML content. I don?t know why you refer to PDFs as being beautiful, because you don?t create content as PDF. Any beauty comes from the source document, such as Word. And suggesting that minimal care is required to create accessible HTML could not be more wrong, unless you are talking about trivial documents. Steve From: athen-list > On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 10 September 2022 17:37 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, please understand that advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible. I am no expert in this area, but I do believe that with minimal care, html can be created so that everything is accessible. Perhaps not as beautiful as PDF, but I am unaware of anything that cannot be presented in html. So why not advocate for html and point out areas where it needs improvement? John From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 3:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I have no experience of dealing with maths in any document format. I know people who do implement it in PDF, but I don?t know how they do it. There are many types of content and many aspects of accessibility, so a full assessment of all them in all the different document formats would be a substantial piece of work. And some people never encounter some content types, so some shortcomings of a particular document format may not matter to them. For instance, in 17 years of doing document remediation, I have never encountered maths, physics or chemical formulae, but I know someone who deals with exam papers who does hundreds of such PDFs every year. We do a lot of annual financial reports in which every page has a unique, complex layout and dozens of charts, graphs, flowcharts, org charts etc., but some people in the education sector may never have to work on documents like this. Forms are one type of content that PDF can handle very well (if you know what you are doing), but Word handles extremely badly regardless of what you do. For people who need to use alternative colour themes, Adobe Reader?s colour substitution options for the text and background colours are far better than those in Word. For people with low vision, PDF allows reflow options that don?t exist in Word. This means that the zoom level can be increased without limit without a horizontal scrollbar appearing, so you only need to scroll in one direction. Adobe Reader has a basic reflow capability, while the VIP PDF Reader supports reflow even better. The nearest feature that Word has is the Web Layout, but horizontal scrolling is necessary even at low levels of magnification. Steve From: athen-list > On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 09 September 2022 23:50 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi: https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PDF software As others have stated, * Learn how to create an accessible website, and, * Learn how to create an accessible office document and export it to an accessible PDF. Neither format is accessible automatically; you have to learn how to do accessibility, regardless of the file format. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text From: chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 11:55 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I found the College and Research Libraries Association article grossly mistaken about accessibility and documents, especially PDFs. The article itself, as well as many more on the association?s websites, are mis-tagged or not tagged at all. When selected, the PDFs open in a PDF viewer within the browser, which itself is not fully accessible and doesn?t pass along the accessibility of the PDF file itself. To finally get to the actual PDF file and, hopefully, take advantage of its accessibility, you must find the Download button (with poor visual contrast) and manually open the file in your version of Acrobat on your computer or device. * Their website with current journal https://crl.acrl.org/index.php/crl/issue/viewIssue/1623/18 * Their current newsletter https://crln.acrl.org/index.php/crlnews/issue/viewIssue/1624/19 * Their website on the ALA website https://www.ala.org/acrl/aboutacrl * And their annual report PDF https://crln.acrl.org/index.php/crlnews/article/view/24736/32571 As Susan K. and Steve G. commented earlier, it doesn?t seem that the article?s author knows what they?re talking about. And after reviewing the organization?s website, neither does it. That?s sad because they have excellent information on the site, but it?s available only to those who are sighted and abled. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? How to get your vendors on board with accessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t advocate for any document format, but I do advocate for accurate information about document formats because so much incorrect information gets spread around, mostly by people who have not done any research into the topic. I do research on a daily basis and have done for 17 years. I don?t even understand what you mean by ?advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible?. As I have already said several times, the accessibility of a PDF is at least as good as the source document and usually better. HTML is undoubtedly the most accessible document format, but it is not suitable for certain use cases. For instance, HTML does not provide any method of digital rights management, which PDF does. It cannot be archived in a form that cannot be edited, which PDF can. Also, many content authors say they do not have the skills or facilities to create HTML content. I don?t know why you refer to PDFs as being beautiful, because you don?t create content as PDF. Any beauty comes from the source document, such as Word. And suggesting that minimal care is required to create accessible HTML could not be more wrong, unless you are talking about trivial documents. Steve From: athen-list > On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 10 September 2022 17:37 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, please understand that advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible. I am no expert in this area, but I do believe that with minimal care, html can be created so that everything is accessible. Perhaps not as beautiful as PDF, but I am unaware of anything that cannot be presented in html. So why not advocate for html and point out areas where it needs improvement? John From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 3:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I have no experience of dealing with maths in any document format. I know people who do implement it in PDF, but I don?t know how they do it. There are many types of content and many aspects of accessibility, so a full assessment of all them in all the different document formats would be a substantial piece of work. And some people never encounter some content types, so some shortcomings of a particular document format may not matter to them. For instance, in 17 years of doing document remediation, I have never encountered maths, physics or chemical formulae, but I know someone who deals with exam papers who does hundreds of such PDFs every year. We do a lot of annual financial reports in which every page has a unique, complex layout and dozens of charts, graphs, flowcharts, org charts etc., but some people in the education sector may never have to work on documents like this. Forms are one type of content that PDF can handle very well (if you know what you are doing), but Word handles extremely badly regardless of what you do. For people who need to use alternative colour themes, Adobe Reader?s colour substitution options for the text and background colours are far better than those in Word. For people with low vision, PDF allows reflow options that don?t exist in Word. This means that the zoom level can be increased without limit without a horizontal scrollbar appearing, so you only need to scroll in one direction. Adobe Reader has a basic reflow capability, while the VIP PDF Reader supports reflow even better. The nearest feature that Word has is the Web Layout, but horizontal scrolling is necessary even at low levels of magnification. Steve From: athen-list On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 09 September 2022 23:50 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi: https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 3:59 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Kindle question One of my low-vision students who does read visually with magnification needs a textbook that I found on Amazon. However it says: >This title is not supported on Kindle E-readers or Kindle for Windows 8 app. And it's called an "E-Textbook". What the heck does that mean? It's a Pearson book and I'm expecting to have to fight with Pearson to get it for him. We already know that the paperback has print that's too small for him to read. And though he can use a video magnifier (CCTV) it's much easier for him to zoom a PDF. Does anyone know what an amazon "E-Textbook" is and where and how it can be read? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Mon Sep 12 06:45:30 2022 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Mon Sep 12 06:45:38 2022 Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My answer was short and not complete. Basically, I said the same thing ? you don?t create as a PDF/in PDF. You create in another software program (Word, In-Design), and export to a PDF file. And if you do this properly, you get a perfectly accessible PDF in most cases. The article was just too short, and did not give any sort of detail, and seemed weirdly incomplete as a justification of ?why not just PDFs.? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 4:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C67B.A161FC20] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Mon Sep 12 06:51:31 2022 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Mon Sep 12 06:51:36 2022 Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, more than a handful of us create accessible math/STEM content, and it cannot be done nor can it be presented in PDF format. Word with MathType, MathML, Latex. None of those convert to an PDF with accessible math. Just visual math. Universal Design is great! It covers about 80-95% of the population. But there need to be (always!!) alternatives for that other 15-20%. This is why PDF is not a one-size-fits-all format, and seeing as Adobe has no interest in figuring out how to be accessible to all, it is not likely to EVER be the one-size-fits-all format. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 4:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I have no experience of dealing with maths in any document format. I know people who do implement it in PDF, but I don?t know how they do it. There are many types of content and many aspects of accessibility, so a full assessment of all them in all the different document formats would be a substantial piece of work. And some people never encounter some content types, so some shortcomings of a particular document format may not matter to them. For instance, in 17 years of doing document remediation, I have never encountered maths, physics or chemical formulae, but I know someone who deals with exam papers who does hundreds of such PDFs every year. We do a lot of annual financial reports in which every page has a unique, complex layout and dozens of charts, graphs, flowcharts, org charts etc., but some people in the education sector may never have to work on documents like this. Forms are one type of content that PDF can handle very well (if you know what you are doing), but Word handles extremely badly regardless of what you do. For people who need to use alternative colour themes, Adobe Reader?s colour substitution options for the text and background colours are far better than those in Word. For people with low vision, PDF allows reflow options that don?t exist in Word. This means that the zoom level can be increased without limit without a horizontal scrollbar appearing, so you only need to scroll in one direction. Adobe Reader has a basic reflow capability, while the VIP PDF Reader supports reflow even better. The nearest feature that Word has is the Web Layout, but horizontal scrolling is necessary even at low levels of magnification. Steve From: athen-list > On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: 09 September 2022 23:50 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF? From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I don?t agree with Susan?s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn?t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect. I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won?t be less accessible. Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat. If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 09 September 2022 20:36 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C67C.7870EAA0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I?m not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From steve.green at testpartners.co.uk Mon Sep 12 07:28:28 2022 From: steve.green at testpartners.co.uk (Steve Green) Date: Mon Sep 12 07:28:34 2022 Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of course I know about maths/STEM. It was the sentence construction that I didn?t understand ? it doesn?t make sense. If you interpret it as meaning ?advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that STEM articles do not need to be accessible? then I would agree with it. But that?s not what I am advocating. I advocate using the most appropriate document format for the content type, audience and use case. HTML is usually the best, but not always. PDF is usually second best, but there are things it can?t do. Word is usually the worst choice (other than ODF and PowerPoint), but it can do a few things that you can?t do in HTML or PDF. It?s important that authors understand the abilities and limitations of all these formats and use them appropriately. Unless someone works in a very narrow field, it is unlikely that any one document format will be the most appropriate for every document they produce. If they use Word for all documents, it?s likely to be a sub-optimal choice for some of them. Steve From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: 12 September 2022 14:53 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Steve said: I don?t even understand what you mean by ?advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible?. As I have already said several times, the accessibility of a PDF is at least as good as the source document and usually better. You have not researched enough. Math/STEM cannot be presented accessibly in PDF. It is only visually presented, which is not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C6BB.9B3E6050] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Sep 12 07:39:31 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Mon Sep 12 07:39:37 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The only way I've seen math content presented in a PDF is for an image of the math to be shown and alt text be added. This is not true accessibility for a screen reader user. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Steve said: I don't even understand what you mean by "advocating for PDF is presently equivalent to advocating that no STEM articles are accessible". As I have already said several times, the accessibility of a PDF is at least as good as the source document and usually better. You have not researched enough. Math/STEM cannot be presented accessibly in PDF. It is only visually presented, which is not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C68B.8EAE96F0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Emails sent and received in the course of University business are subject to the North Carolina Public Records Act (N.C.G.S. ?132-1 et seq.) and may be released to the public unless an exception applies. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and be advised that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message and any of its contents, including attachments, is strictly prohibited. On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 4:00 PM Norwich, Lorraine S wrote: > Dear All, > > > > Happy Friday. > > > > I am looking for names of different vendors who could do raised line > drawings for a Behavioral Neuroscience class and the book they are using > is Behavioral Neuroscience, 9e by S. Marc Breedlove and Neil V. > Watson; ISBN: 9781605359076. > > > > Any ideas thoughts and insight would be greatly appreciate. > > > > Best, > > > > Lorraine > > > > Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS > > Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services > > 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 > > lnorwich@bu.edu (email) > > 617-353-3658 (vox) > > 617-353-9646 (fax) > > www.bu.edu/disability (website) > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kndeibel at metageekery.org Mon Sep 12 09:57:29 2022 From: kndeibel at metageekery.org (Katherine Deibel) Date: Mon Sep 12 09:57:45 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just caught this thread. As a librarian, I am a bit ashamed at my peers for this. If I can muster the time, I'll see about writing a response to the ACRL article. I did want to respond to this question: > Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? There's a lot to unpack in that short question. First, it's important to recognize that when it comes to content from various publishers, we're talking about publications from the past century and more. PDF/UA has only been around since 2012. Humanity started writing things down way before then. As a librarian and accessibility advocate, I've asked again and again for people to pause writing for a bit for us to catch up but no one listens to me. Second, it's important to realize how monopolized the publishing industry is in regards to libraries. We cannot shop around to find a better deal with a different publisher. If we need access to X journal, we generally have one and only one option. It's also why publishers are able to charge exorbitant fees for licenses. We don't have a lot of negotiation power unless individual libraries or consortia act as one. Some of that work is happening but it's a guppy pushing on an oil tanker. Another issue is that depending on the content, HTML and Word are not often enough to provide all the content that a patron might be interested in. In special collections and archives, there is a value to having an exact copy of how the original physical version looked. PDF provides that exact quality. While there is interest in being more accessible in regards to disability, there are additional values that also need support. Unfortunately, given how much digital accessibility is focused towards the web and its commercial uses, the conversations are hard to start and maintain. Finally, the question about responsibility for inaccessible digital content is a bit of a gray area. University libraries, like where I work, do often work with patrons and disability services. The big issues are the typical ones of lack of qualified personnel and resources such as funds. For a lot of public libraries, they have to fight to keep their doors open (or to have books that cater to more than the loudest social conservatives). In the end, there are groups of us in libraries who are pushing for more accessible content in various ways. We're better than that article. Katherine "Kate" Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C6A4.2D0443A0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I'm not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Katherine Deibel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 10:57 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News I just caught this thread. As a librarian, I am a bit ashamed at my peers for this. If I can muster the time, I'll see about writing a response to the ACRL article. I did want to respond to this question: > Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? There's a lot to unpack in that short question. First, it's important to recognize that when it comes to content from various publishers, we're talking about publications from the past century and more. PDF/UA has only been around since 2012. Humanity started writing things down way before then. As a librarian and accessibility advocate, I've asked again and again for people to pause writing for a bit for us to catch up but no one listens to me. Second, it's important to realize how monopolized the publishing industry is in regards to libraries. We cannot shop around to find a better deal with a different publisher. If we need access to X journal, we generally have one and only one option. It's also why publishers are able to charge exorbitant fees for licenses. We don't have a lot of negotiation power unless individual libraries or consortia act as one. Some of that work is happening but it's a guppy pushing on an oil tanker. Another issue is that depending on the content, HTML and Word are not often enough to provide all the content that a patron might be interested in. In special collections and archives, there is a value to having an exact copy of how the original physical version looked. PDF provides that exact quality. While there is interest in being more accessible in regards to disability, there are additional values that also need support. Unfortunately, given how much digital accessibility is focused towards the web and its commercial uses, the conversations are hard to start and maintain. Finally, the question about responsibility for inaccessible digital content is a bit of a gray area. University libraries, like where I work, do often work with patrons and disability services. The big issues are the typical ones of lack of qualified personnel and resources such as funds. For a lot of public libraries, they have to fight to keep their doors open (or to have books that cater to more than the loudest social conservatives). In the end, there are groups of us in libraries who are pushing for more accessible content in various ways. We're better than that article. Katherine "Kate" Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Alexis Delevett Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content? ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful. Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML. I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D8C6A3.DE5C9D10] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Adina Mulliken Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I'm not agreeing with the article. Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363 At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view. Adina Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Mon Sep 12 14:24:56 2022 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Mon Sep 12 14:25:04 2022 Subject: [Athen] Raised line drawing vendors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lorraine, I have never outsourced but here are some of my tactile graphics references... I have some basic references for you.... https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/10/dot-pad-tactile-display-makes-images-touchable-for-visually-impaired-users/ This is a dot pad that displays in real time. It's pretty amazing. General info on Tactile Graphics... from our colleague Lucia Hasty http://www.tactilegraphics.org/ . The Diagram Center from Benetech has some great resources - http://diagramcenter.org/3d-printing.html Here are some other resources: Tactile Graphics (2D/3D) * BANA Tactile Graphics Guidelines: http://www.brailleauthority.org/tg/ * Tactile Graphics How-Tos: http://www.tactilegraphics.org/ * 3D Quick Start Guide: http://diagramcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/3D-Printing-In-Education-Quick-Start-Guide.docx * Perkins School - page on teaching tactile graphics http://www.perkinselearning.org/videos/webcast/teaching-tactile-graphics?gclid=CJfetsL6nNACFYMCaQodhqoPOQ * NFB https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/tactile-graphics-101 * Touch Graphics http://touchgraphics.com/products/ * Texas School for the Blind http://www.tsbvi.edu/math/3189-tactile-graphics-resources * E.A.S.Y. Tactile Graphics | Drawing Tools for the Blind (easytactilegraphics.com) * Tactile Graphics Production - Tactile Vision Graphics * Tactile Graphics Technology for Students who are Blind or Visually Impaired - Teaching Students with Visual Impairments (teachingvisuallyimpaired.com) One of my former students had a preference for immediate feedback via touchable graphics... we would create "on the fly" tactile graphics by printing an image that had been flipped over in a graphics program, then we would trace the key aspects so that the tracing indented the page. She would flip the image over then she could "read" it via the raised lines on the other side. She created her own hard rubber mat attached to a clipboard to help create these simple line drawings. Best regards, Cath Catherine M. Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Leave a message or text Cath (720) 336-1245 [Front Range Community College - Boulder County Campus] Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/usingyourtech Create Inclusive E-mail and Materials https://bit.ly/inclusive-checklist From: athen-list On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 2:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Raised line drawing vendors CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Dear All, Happy Friday. I am looking for names of different vendors who could do raised line drawings for a Behavioral Neuroscience class and the book they are using is Behavioral Neuroscience, 9e by S. Marc Breedlove and Neil V. Watson; ISBN: 9781605359076. Any ideas thoughts and insight would be greatly appreciate. Best, Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 18481 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Sean.Kugler at nau.edu Mon Sep 12 16:05:11 2022 From: Sean.Kugler at nau.edu (Sean Kugler) Date: Mon Sep 12 16:05:17 2022 Subject: [Athen] AHG Discount code Message-ID: <2368901bcc7b4f25b6c9e6dc0037e9d1@nau.edu> Hello All, I love doing things last minute. Does anyone have the discount code for ATHEN members for Accessing Higher Ground? Today is the deadline for early registration. Thank you all and take care, Sean Kugler Digital Accessibility Analyst, Sr. (928) 523-6042 "Inclusion is not a matter of political correctness. It is the key to growth." - Jesse Jackson A11Y = Accessibility (A eleven letters Y) Northern Arizona University sits at the base of the San Francisco Peaks, on homelands sacred to Native Americans throughout the region. We honor their past, present, and future generations, who have lived here for millennia and will forever call this place home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Quality too will decrease as the less popular books will of course have cheaper licenses. Archive.org says: "... The publishers are willing to hollow out library collections for shareholder gain." I leave you with a raft of blog posts and one podcast. Publishers Are Changing E-Book Access for Libraries https://cals.org > CALS Blogs NPR Podcast: The Surprising Economics of Digital Lending https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118289764/the-surprising-economics-of-digital-lending Digital Audiobooks in Public Libraries: A Current Assessment https://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/apr21/Blackwell-Coan-Mason-Parker--Digital-Audiobooks-in-Public-Libraries-A-Current-Assessment.shtml Publishers Change Ebook and Audiobook Models; Libraries Look for Answers | Library Journal https://www.libraryjournal.com/story/publishers-change-ebook-and-audiobook-models-libraries-look-for-answers Libraries lend books, and must continue to lend books: Internet Archive responds to publishers' lawsuit - Internet Archive Blogs https://blog.archive.org/2020/07/29/internet-archive-responds-to-publishers-lawsuit/ Internet Archive Opposes Publishers in Federal Lawsuit - Internet Archive Blogs https://blog.archive.org/2022/09/03/internet-archive-opposes-publishers-in-federal-lawsuit/ Book Publishers Go To War With The Internet Archive https://hyperallergic.com/753044/book-publishers-go-to-war-with-the-internet-archive/ --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kndeibel at metageekery.org Wed Sep 14 07:46:01 2022 From: kndeibel at metageekery.org (Katherine Deibel) Date: Wed Sep 14 07:46:06 2022 Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: library licensing of ebooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yes, all this. The pricing models are absurd and gouging. Katherine "Kate" Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 1:24 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: library licensing of ebooks As more and more public and college libraries increase their digital offerings, it's a great boon for those of us with print disabilities. I find it very exciting that I can borrow so many digital books, and rent so many digital textbooks as well! But there's a dark side to all these ebooks as well; it costs libraries more to license them. I researched this over the weekend and was truly surprised over publishers' greed! To summarize: when libraries buy a printed book, it is theirs, and they can loan it until it falls apart. But digital books are often licensed for just two years. After that, the library has to purchase a new license. This means a book you want to read now may not be available forever. If not well-funded, a library's collection is going to decrease. Quality too will decrease as the less popular books will of course have cheaper licenses. Archive.org says: "... The publishers are willing to hollow out library collections for shareholder gain." I leave you with a raft of blog posts and one podcast. Publishers Are Changing E-Book Access for Libraries https://cals.org > CALS Blogs NPR Podcast: The Surprising Economics of Digital Lending https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118289764/the-surprising-economics-of-digital-lending Digital Audiobooks in Public Libraries: A Current Assessment https://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/apr21/Blackwell-Coan-Mason-Parker--Digital-Audiobooks-in-Public-Libraries-A-Current-Assessment.shtml Publishers Change Ebook and Audiobook Models; Libraries Look for Answers | Library Journal https://www.libraryjournal.com/story/publishers-change-ebook-and-audiobook-models-libraries-look-for-answers Libraries lend books, and must continue to lend books: Internet Archive responds to publishers' lawsuit - Internet Archive Blogs https://blog.archive.org/2020/07/29/internet-archive-responds-to-publishers-lawsuit/ Internet Archive Opposes Publishers in Federal Lawsuit - Internet Archive Blogs https://blog.archive.org/2022/09/03/internet-archive-opposes-publishers-in-federal-lawsuit/ Book Publishers Go To War With The Internet Archive https://hyperallergic.com/753044/book-publishers-go-to-war-with-the-internet-archive/ --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices susan.kelmer@colorado.edu [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company Hello All! I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we don?t have that book in accessible format/PDF" I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that publishing company. Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting and scanning it? Thank you in advance. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] ?Having trouble with the ?Canon DR9080C scanner? Hello Again, Over the summer my office upgraded some of the computers to Windows 10.?Unfortunately, I am now having an issue with my Canon DR9080C scanner and not able to getting the driver installed on one of the new computers. The computer ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Hello Again, Over the summer my office upgraded some of the computers to Windows 10.Unfortunately, I am now having an issue with my Canon DR9080C scanner and not able to getting the driver installed on one of the new computers. The computer recognizes the scanner yet when I go to us it nothing happens, ie the software doesn't pop up it. I have talked to my school's IT department and they did not have any luck on fixing this issue. Before I call up Canon and spend some time on the phone with them I figure I would ask and see if anyone had the driver that they could send to me or if you have any suggestions on troubling shooting this issue. Thank you for your time and help. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Wed Sep 14 09:50:50 2022 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Wed Sep 14 09:50:55 2022 Subject: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don?t forget that Susan will also be giving her Alternate format production seminar at Accessing Higher Ground on Monday November 15th, 2022 at the Hilton Denver City Center! The Nuts and Bolts: Alternate Format Production Intensive Presented at 10:30am in Gov Square 15 (Lab) on Monday, November 15, 2021.(10:30 AM America/Denver) #34014 Speaker(s) * Susan Kelmer, Alternate Format Production Program Manager, University of Colorado Boulder Session Details * Length of Session: 5-6-hr * Format: Lab * Expertise Level: Beginner * Type of session: Pre-conference Summary Alternate Format Production is a requirement for Disability Services offices on almost every university and college campus. This session will walk you through from request to delivery of alternate format materials for students with print disabilities, with a focus on the tools and methods you will need to do the job right. The Nuts and Bolts: Alternate Format Production Intensive - Accessing Higher Ground We hope to see you there or see you virtually! From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Penguin and all its imprints ONLY provide books through Bookshare. You can download the Word file and remediate it. I explain how to do this in my Alternate Format Production Manual, please email me offlist if you?d like a copy. For anyone else that wants a copy of my manual, just email me, I?m happy to share. The current one is from Fall 2021. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices susan.kelmer@colorado.edu [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company Hello All! I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we don?t have that book in accessible format/PDF" I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that publishing company. Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting and scanning it? Thank you in advance. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:51 AM Stager, Catherine < Catherine.Stager@frontrange.edu> wrote: > Don?t forget that Susan will also be giving her Alternate format > production seminar at Accessing Higher Ground on Monday November 15th, 2022 > at the Hilton Denver City Center! > > *The Nuts and Bolts: Alternate Format Production Intensive* > > Presented at *10:30am* in *Gov Square 15 (Lab)* on *Monday, November 15, > 2021*.(10:30 AM America/Denver) > > #34014 > > *Speaker(s)* > > - Susan Kelmer, Alternate Format Production Program Manager, > University of Colorado Boulder > > *Session Details* > > - *Length of Session:* 5-6-hr > - *Format:* Lab > - *Expertise Level:* Beginner > - *Type of session: *Pre-conference > > *Summary* > > Alternate Format Production is a requirement for Disability Services > offices on almost every university and college campus. This session will > walk you through from request to delivery of alternate format materials for > students with print disabilities, with a focus on the tools and methods you > will need to do the job right. > > The Nuts and Bolts: Alternate Format Production Intensive - Accessing > Higher Ground > > > > > We hope to see you there or see you virtually! > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:02 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company > > > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community > College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize > the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT > Help Desk if you have any questions. > > Penguin and all its imprints ONLY provide books through Bookshare. You > can download the Word file and remediate it. I explain how to do this in > my Alternate Format Production Manual, please email me offlist if you?d > like a copy. > > > > For anyone else that wants a copy of my manual, just email me, I?m happy > to share. The current one is from Fall 2021. > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Health and Wellness Services > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > *susan.kelmer@colorado.edu * > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Charlotte Schiff-Norton > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:16 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company > > > > Hello All! > > > > I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company > Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? > > > > I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we > don?t have that book in accessible format/PDF" > > > > I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) > > I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that > publishing company. > > > > Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting > and scanning it? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > ________________________ > > Charlotte Norton > > she/her/hers > > Saint Mary's College of California > > Student Disability Services > > > Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Office: (925) 631-5071 > > Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are also other formats available from Bookshare, but IMO the EPUB version would be an excellent choice. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:22 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company This publisher states n their website that they only provide accessible copies of their books to Bookshare. I have not been able to get anything from them. Good luck! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello All! I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we don't have that book in accessible format/PDF" I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that publishing company. Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting and scanning it? Thank you in advance. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stager Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology Leave a message or text Cath (720) 336-1245 [Front Range Community College - Boulder County Campus] Check out our Getting Started Guides for At Home Support! https://bit.ly/usingyourtech Create Inclusive E-mail and Materials https://bit.ly/inclusive-checklist From: athen-list On Behalf Of kerscher@montana.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:06 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Hi, I downloaded this title from Bookshare a couple of months ago. It is in EPUB, and I found it to be terrific. I am using NVDA, but it would work great with JAWS as well. I used the freely available Thorium reader. Thorium also has great features for changing fonts and colors, and also has excellent read aloud functions. All students in the USA with print disabilities can get a free subscription to Bookshare through a grant from the Office of Special Education Programs. There are also other formats available from Bookshare, but IMO the EPUB version would be an excellent choice. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:22 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company This publisher states n their website that they only provide accessible copies of their books to Bookshare. I have not been able to get anything from them. Good luck! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello All! I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we don't have that book in accessible format/PDF" I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that publishing company. Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting and scanning it? Thank you in advance. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: athen-list On Behalf Of Stager, Catherine Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company Don?t forget that Susan will also be giving her Alternate format production seminar at Accessing Higher Ground on Monday November 15th, 2022 at the Hilton Denver City Center! The Nuts and Bolts: Alternate Format Production Intensive Presented at 10:30am in Gov Square 15 (Lab) on Monday, November 15, 2021.(10:30 AM America/Denver) #34014 Speaker(s) * Susan Kelmer, Alternate Format Production Program Manager, University of Colorado Boulder Session Details * Length of Session: 5-6-hr * Format: Lab * Expertise Level: Beginner * Type of session: Pre-conference Summary Alternate Format Production is a requirement for Disability Services offices on almost every university and college campus. This session will walk you through from request to delivery of alternate format materials for students with print disabilities, with a focus on the tools and methods you will need to do the job right. The Nuts and Bolts: Alternate Format Production Intensive - Accessing Higher Ground We hope to see you there or see you virtually! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Colorado Community College System. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions. Penguin and all its imprints ONLY provide books through Bookshare. You can download the Word file and remediate it. I explain how to do this in my Alternate Format Production Manual, please email me offlist if you?d like a copy. For anyone else that wants a copy of my manual, just email me, I?m happy to share. The current one is from Fall 2021. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices susan.kelmer@colorado.edu [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company Hello All! I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we don?t have that book in accessible format/PDF" I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that publishing company. Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting and scanning it? Thank you in advance. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, WILL PINES (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter ?A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions.? [cid:image005.png@01D7A637.04E64190] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 8:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] ?Having trouble with the ?Canon DR9080C scanner? Hello Again, Over the summer my office upgraded some of the computers to Windows 10.Unfortunately, I am now having an issue with my Canon DR9080C scanner and not able to getting the driver installed on one of the new computers. The computer recognizes the scanner yet when I go to us it nothing happens, ie the software doesn't pop up it. I have talked to my school's IT department and they did not have any luck on fixing this issue. Before I call up Canon and spend some time on the phone with them I figure I would ask and see if anyone had the driver that they could send to me or if you have any suggestions on troubling shooting this issue. Thank you for your time and help. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello All! I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we don't have that book in accessible format/PDF" I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that publishing company. Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting and scanning it? Thank you in advance. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From am2621 at hunter.cuny.edu Thu Sep 15 12:52:07 2022 From: am2621 at hunter.cuny.edu (Adina Mulliken) Date: Thu Sep 15 12:52:14 2022 Subject: [Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company Message-ID: The Nicomachean Ethics ISBN you sent pulled up a copy in Internet Archive here https://archive.org/details/nicomacheanethic0000aris_w5n4 . If the public version in Internet Archive doesn't work, I understand that you can sign up as an organization that borrows books for people with disabilities. My school's AccessAbility Office did that pretty quickly, and that gives you more options of formats to download. It still didn't always give an option that my school could make work, but more formats than they'd have otherwise. Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 10:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Need advice for dealing with a publishing company CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello All! I was wondering if anybody has had any luck with the publishing company Penguin Random House on getting books in accessible format? I have reach out to them a few times and keep getting the response "we don't have that book in accessible format/PDF" I am trying to get the book Nicomachean Ethics (ISBN: 9780140449495) I have looked on bookshare and accesstext doesn't work with that publishing company. Any suggestions on how to get this book before I have to resort to cutting and scanning it? Thank you in advance. ________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu From eprickett at coloradomesa.edu Thu Sep 15 14:42:18 2022 From: eprickett at coloradomesa.edu (Prickett, Liz) Date: Thu Sep 15 14:42:25 2022 Subject: [Athen] Job Posting - Instructional Media Specialist - Colorado Mesa University Message-ID: The Distance Education Office at Colorado Mesa University is seeking applicants for an Instructional Media Specialist. This position is new and will serve an exciting role within the university as CMU continues to innovate in reaching students in creative and effective ways through technology. The Instructional Media Specialist will assist the University in the design and delivery of instructional media for online courses and integration of best practices in instruction. Liz Prickett Interim Director Office of Distance Education 970-248-2003 eprickett@coloradomesa.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 00:07:04 2022 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Fri Sep 16 00:07:15 2022 Subject: [Athen] AT classes Message-ID: <9cwtrn0uc0xkc3d181s9imu4.1663312024507@email.android.com> Hi all, Who's teaching or offering or thinking about offering postsecondary or grad classes or grad certificates in adaptive tech? Let me know who's doing what where! Thanks in advance. Wink Harner From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Sep 16 06:01:24 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Sep 16 06:01:30 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] AT classes In-Reply-To: <9cwtrn0uc0xkc3d181s9imu4.1663312024507@email.android.com> References: <9cwtrn0uc0xkc3d181s9imu4.1663312024507@email.android.com> Message-ID: Wink, I have been teaching a 1 credit assistive tech class here since 1994. It is certainly not a certificate program, just the one class. HTH. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 2:07 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] AT classes CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi all, Who's teaching or offering or thinking about offering postsecondary or grad classes or grad certificates in adaptive tech? Let me know who's doing what where! Thanks in advance. Wink Harner _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fathen-list&data=05%7C01%7Crbeach%40kckcc.edu%7C18bc784bbf0746bdc70f08da97b28364%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637989090204762458%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ymU1ws3pP5wlm4%2B9jepz5tpivG1nRTpF6B4U7swWNrw%3D&reserved=0 From bcb4y at virginia.edu Fri Sep 16 07:52:03 2022 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Fri Sep 16 07:52:08 2022 Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: library licensing of ebooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FWIW, I wrote a blog post (adapted from a Twitter thread) about how/why this is a challenge to the basic bargain assumed by copyright. Everyone was so busy in the 1990s and 2000s worrying about the future of major record labels big publishers on the internet that no one noticed how the digital shift was going to threaten libraries. Here?s the link: http://thetaper.library.virginia.edu/2022/06/24/friday-thread-read-copies-rights-and-the-existential-digital-threat-to-libraries.html. From: athen-list on behalf of Katherine Deibel Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 10:47 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Slightly OT: library licensing of ebooks Oh yes, all this. The pricing models are absurd and gouging. Katherine ?Kate? Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 1:24 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: library licensing of ebooks As more and more public and college libraries increase their digital offerings, it's a great boon for those of us with print disabilities. I find it very exciting that I can borrow so many digital books, and rent so many digital textbooks as well! But there's a dark side to all these ebooks as well; it costs libraries more to license them. I researched this over the weekend and was truly surprised over publishers? greed! To summarize: when libraries buy a printed book, it is theirs, and they can loan it until it falls apart. But digital books are often licensed for just two years. After that, the library has to purchase a new license. This means a book you want to read now may not be available forever. If not well-funded, a library's collection is going to decrease. Quality too will decrease as the less popular books will of course have cheaper licenses. Archive.org says: "... The publishers are willing to hollow out library collections for shareholder gain." I leave you with a raft of blog posts and one podcast. Publishers Are Changing E-Book Access for Libraries https://cals.org ? CALS Blogs NPR Podcast: The Surprising Economics of Digital Lending https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118289764/the-surprising-economics-of-digital-lending Digital Audiobooks in Public Libraries: A Current Assessment https://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/apr21/Blackwell-Coan-Mason-Parker--Digital-Audiobooks-in-Public-Libraries-A-Current-Assessment.shtml Publishers Change Ebook and Audiobook Models; Libraries Look for Answers | Library Journal https://www.libraryjournal.com/story/publishers-change-ebook-and-audiobook-models-libraries-look-for-answers Libraries lend books, and must continue to lend books: Internet Archive responds to publishers? lawsuit - Internet Archive Blogs https://blog.archive.org/2020/07/29/internet-archive-responds-to-publishers-lawsuit/ Internet Archive Opposes Publishers in Federal Lawsuit - Internet Archive Blogs https://blog.archive.org/2022/09/03/internet-archive-opposes-publishers-in-federal-lawsuit/ Book Publishers Go To War With The Internet Archive https://hyperallergic.com/753044/book-publishers-go-to-war-with-the-internet-archive/ --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HTH. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 > > O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Wink Harner > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 2:07 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [EXT][Athen] AT classes > > CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open > attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. > > Hi all, > > Who's teaching or offering or thinking about offering postsecondary or > grad classes or grad certificates in adaptive tech? > > Let me know who's doing what where! > > Thanks in advance. > > Wink Harner > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fathen-list&data=05%7C01%7Crbeach%40kckcc.edu%7C18bc784bbf0746bdc70f08da97b28364%7C23c46d06c5e342e3b848763ebb02e6ad%7C0%7C0%7C637989090204762458%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ymU1ws3pP5wlm4%2B9jepz5tpivG1nRTpF6B4U7swWNrw%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Sep 16 10:16:48 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Sep 16 10:16:54 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] AT classes In-Reply-To: References: <9cwtrn0uc0xkc3d181s9imu4.1663312024507@email.android.com> Message-ID: It is open to anybody to take. I actually have five different "groups" setup, blindness technologies, low vision technologies, learning technologies, physical access technologies, and general overview. Students can enroll in the class and I will assign them to the group that best fits their needs or interests. I've thought about adding some other groups, but it is just too much work for a one credit class. I currently have a student who is going into programming taking the class because he wants to create accessible programs. I've had web designers, paraprofessionals, nurses, special ed teachers, general ed teachers, and a range of students with disabilities take the class. Oh yes, I've had three different students who wanted to become assistive technology specialists take the class too. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of foreigntype@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 9:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] AT classes Robert, Is this a class for DSS students? Or is it open to anyone? Is it an overview, or specific training on specific types of AT? Wink On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 6:01 AM Robert Beach > wrote: Wink, I have been teaching a 1 credit assistive tech class here since 1994. It is certainly not a certificate program, just the one class. HTH. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 2:07 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] AT classes CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi all, Who's teaching or offering or thinking about offering postsecondary or grad classes or grad certificates in adaptive tech? Let me know who's doing what where! Thanks in advance. 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Things I understand that a dev team needs to consider include: * Directories pull from a back-end database that is constantly changing and being updated. * Public-facing directors likely require additional security. * The search bar/button functionality is critical and must be labeled correctly for accessibility. * If developed by an in-house team, developers may only have access to limited libraries and frameworks * The results page layout is critical for usability and may not function as a traditional results page, I think? What is the most accessible and usable way to develop and design a results page for an employee directory? Thank you! [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass] Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges molsson@sbctc.edu ? o: 360-704-3922 ? c: 206-914-7187 sbctc.edu ? Twitter: @SBCTCWashington ? 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In particular, the iSchool seeks candidates from Information Science, Human-Computer Interaction, Human Centered Engineering, and related fields whose research focuses on populations with perceptual, motor, cognitive, language, or learning disabilities. We seek a candidate whose work complements and extends the College?s societal impact and methodological traditions that recognize the information norms and assets of members of marginalized or historically oppressed communities. The successful candidate will engage in an active program of high-impact research, teach at the undergraduate and graduate level, provide research advising to students at all levels, and engage in service to the profession and shared governance within the university. This is an open-rank, tenure-track or tenured appointment. Tenure-track Assistant Professors are appointed for three years, with potential renewal for three more years and tenure review. Rank and appointment type are based on a candidate?s record. Salary and benefits are competitive and based upon qualifications. Tenure-track and tenured faculty typically have 9-month appointments, with opportunities for grant-funded research and university-funded teaching in the summer. For this position, the successful candidate will be involved in: * Developing and conducting high-impact research agenda and disseminating research results * Designing and developing innovative information studies curricula * Crafting exceptional educational experiences for students * Contributing to relevant professional communities * Participating in shared governance https://ejobs.umd.edu/postings/98993 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgs5 at stmarys-ca.edu Mon Sep 19 09:10:48 2022 From: cgs5 at stmarys-ca.edu (Charlotte Schiff-Norton) Date: Mon Sep 19 09:11:01 2022 Subject: [Athen] Question abut the program zoom text Message-ID: Hello! Is anyone familiar with the program Zoom Text? I have a student and parent who is using it and they are having issues with this program with it not reading PDF. I am not familiar with this program nor any other program that is meant for low vision users. Any suggestions on other programs that you know works with PDFS is welcome or troubling shooting is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and help in advance. _________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 11:11 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Question abut the program zoom text CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello! Is anyone familiar with the program Zoom Text? I have a student and parent who is using it and they are having issues with this program with it not reading PDF. I am not familiar with this program nor any other program that is meant for low vision users. Any suggestions on other programs that you know works with PDFS is welcome or troubling shooting is greatly appreciated. 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Supporting Clients Through Virtual Assistive Technology Good day folks! I am passing along the final version of the discussion paper - Where you AT? Supporting Clients Through Virtual Assistive Technology, on behalf of the The AT3 Team. My sincerest apologies for the delay in circulating this. Technical issues now resolved, I am very happy to share this! Doug Mantle, Founder | The Network of Assistive Technologists www.NOAT.ca | info@NOAT.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello fellow ATs, We've just released our discussion paper, Where you AT? Supporting Clients Through Virtual Assistive Technology. You can review insights from this discussion paper based on data from the AT3: An AT Survey for ATs by ATs. Yumpu Version: https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/67089992/where-you-at Downloadable Accessible Versions: Low-Res Version: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IDau6BHz9NnoMfZxsagGaF8g7rEMJ4EY/view?usp=sharing High-Res Version: https://indd.adobe.com/view/c92b09cb-c4b0-4fe6-9518-e1f222c1e658 This discussion paper contains: * An Executive Summary * Highlights from the AT3 survey * AT Tips for virtual support * Recommendations We hope our discussion paper provides information and guidance that you can use to determine how you move forward with virtual AT support and improve accessibility for your students/clients. Please feel free to circulate this discussion paper among your AT networks. Warm regards, The AT3 Team [https://www.kings.uwo.ca/kings/assets/Image/email/accessibility-counselling.png] King?s University College is committed to accessibility for persons with disabilities. 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Brown) Date: Tue Sep 20 16:51:33 2022 Subject: [Athen] Washington DC (US): U.S. Access Board hiring Accessibility Specialist, Office of Technical & Information Services Message-ID: Just the messenger: Application deadline extended to Sept. 26! The Access Board seeks an Accessibility Specialist to serve in its Office of Technical and Information Services. Read more and access application links in the Board's news article: U.S. Access Board Seeks Accessibility Specialist August 24, 2022 The U.S. Access Board seeks an Accessibility Specialist to serve in its Office of Technical and Information Services. This Accessibility Specialist will be responsible for providing technical assistance, training, and guidance to the public on design requirements for accessible buildings and facilities and medical diagnostic equipment. They will also participate in Board rulemaking to update or supplement these requirements. Although not required, fluency in Spanish is highly desirable for this position. 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URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Sep 21 06:10:34 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Sep 21 06:10:40 2022 Subject: [Athen] OCR videos Message-ID: This sounds really good. I haven't watched them yet so I'm reserving judgement on their quality. Taken from the AHEAD list. OCR Video Series The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights(link is external) is proud to announce a video series covering a variety of topics on digital access in education, including how people with disabilities use technology, applicable Federal regulations, and identifying and remediating barriers to access. Whether you are in the educational field or not, these videos have wide ranging coverage for those who want to know: What makes technology accessible for individuals with disabilities? And how can I make my site or platform more accessible? All videos on this page are open-captioned. For questions or comments regarding this video series, please contact the Office of Civil Rights at OCR@ed.gov(link sends e-mail) [ Intro An Introduction to Digital Accessibility Meet Catherine Lhamon, the Assistant Secretary for the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights, as she introduces key topics in the area of digital accessibility in education. Topic 1 Digital Accessibility: Three Points About the Law Learn about two Federal civil rights laws relevant to digital accessibility in the educational context: Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Topic 2 How Some People with Disabilities Use Technology Meet some students and parents with disabilities and learn how they interact with and use technology. Topic 3 Recommended Practices & Tips for Digital Accessibility Learn some helpful tips to providing quality online experiences to everyone. Topic 4 Vendors and Partnerships Explore ideas for partnering with institutions and working with vendors to meet your digital accessibility goals. Topic 5 Creating an Organizational Culture that Embraces Accessibility Explore thoughtful approaches to partner with key stakeholders and mission-critical individuals within your organization to create a seamless, supportive culture around digital accessibility. Topic 6 The Importance of Manual Testing for Digital Accessibility Learn why manual testing is important and how to incorporate reliable testing protocols into your workflow. Topic 7 Keyboard Access and Visual Focus Indicators Explore fundamental concepts of testing for keyboard access and visual focus indicators, barriers typically missed by automated checkers. Topic 8 Testing When the Screen is Magnified Dive deeper into manual testing, and see what can happen to navigation and content when web pages are enlarged by people with low vision. Topic 9 Logical Reading Order Check out what can go wrong when web pages don't follow a logical reading order for people who rely on keyboard navigation and screen readers. Topic 10 Alternative Text Learn about alternative text and why it is important for people who cannot see photographs and graphic images. Topic 11 Fillable Forms Forms can be a useful way of collecting information from your users. Do you know how to make sure everyone can use them? Topic 12 Buttons & Form Controls Learn about form fields and buttons used on web pages, and how to test them for specific accessibility concerns. Topic 13 Use of Color Alone to Convey Information What to think about when using color to convey information. Topic 14 Color Contrast How to check for sufficient color contrast, and why it's important. Topic 15 Links All about links: how they are used in navigation, labelling concerns, and distinguishing them from surrounding text. Topic 16 Tables Do you need to use a data table on your web page? If so, learn how to appropriately format table content to ensure everyone can understand your data. Topic 17 Heading Structure Learn how to use heading structure on a web page so everyone can navigate your content with ease. Topic 18 Video Captioning What counts as "success" when captioning your videos - and how to avoid epic (and embarrassing) gaffes. Topic 19 Reporting & Responding to Digital Barriers for People with Disabilities A discussion of best practices for how schools can be aware of potential barriers and respond to such concerns, and tips for people with disabilities who experience barriers. adata.org/ocr-videos [Block] Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kndeibel at metageekery.org Wed Sep 21 08:32:23 2022 From: kndeibel at metageekery.org (Katherine Deibel) Date: Wed Sep 21 08:32:27 2022 Subject: [Athen] OCR videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, aside from the open captioning. Katherine "Kate" Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 9:11 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] OCR videos This sounds really good. I haven't watched them yet so I'm reserving judgement on their quality. Taken from the AHEAD list. OCR Video Series The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights(link is external) is proud to announce a video series covering a variety of topics on digital access in education, including how people with disabilities use technology, applicable Federal regulations, and identifying and remediating barriers to access. Whether you are in the educational field or not, these videos have wide ranging coverage for those who want to know: What makes technology accessible for individuals with disabilities? And how can I make my site or platform more accessible? All videos on this page are open-captioned. For questions or comments regarding this video series, please contact the Office of Civil Rights at OCR@ed.gov(link sends e-mail) [ Intro An Introduction to Digital Accessibility Meet Catherine Lhamon, the Assistant Secretary for the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights, as she introduces key topics in the area of digital accessibility in education. Topic 1 Digital Accessibility: Three Points About the Law Learn about two Federal civil rights laws relevant to digital accessibility in the educational context: Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Topic 2 How Some People with Disabilities Use Technology Meet some students and parents with disabilities and learn how they interact with and use technology. Topic 3 Recommended Practices & Tips for Digital Accessibility Learn some helpful tips to providing quality online experiences to everyone. Topic 4 Vendors and Partnerships Explore ideas for partnering with institutions and working with vendors to meet your digital accessibility goals. Topic 5 Creating an Organizational Culture that Embraces Accessibility Explore thoughtful approaches to partner with key stakeholders and mission-critical individuals within your organization to create a seamless, supportive culture around digital accessibility. Topic 6 The Importance of Manual Testing for Digital Accessibility Learn why manual testing is important and how to incorporate reliable testing protocols into your workflow. Topic 7 Keyboard Access and Visual Focus Indicators Explore fundamental concepts of testing for keyboard access and visual focus indicators, barriers typically missed by automated checkers. Topic 8 Testing When the Screen is Magnified Dive deeper into manual testing, and see what can happen to navigation and content when web pages are enlarged by people with low vision. Topic 9 Logical Reading Order Check out what can go wrong when web pages don't follow a logical reading order for people who rely on keyboard navigation and screen readers. Topic 10 Alternative Text Learn about alternative text and why it is important for people who cannot see photographs and graphic images. Topic 11 Fillable Forms Forms can be a useful way of collecting information from your users. Do you know how to make sure everyone can use them? Topic 12 Buttons & Form Controls Learn about form fields and buttons used on web pages, and how to test them for specific accessibility concerns. Topic 13 Use of Color Alone to Convey Information What to think about when using color to convey information. Topic 14 Color Contrast How to check for sufficient color contrast, and why it's important. Topic 15 Links All about links: how they are used in navigation, labelling concerns, and distinguishing them from surrounding text. Topic 16 Tables Do you need to use a data table on your web page? If so, learn how to appropriately format table content to ensure everyone can understand your data. Topic 17 Heading Structure Learn how to use heading structure on a web page so everyone can navigate your content with ease. Topic 18 Video Captioning What counts as "success" when captioning your videos - and how to avoid epic (and embarrassing) gaffes. Topic 19 Reporting & Responding to Digital Barriers for People with Disabilities A discussion of best practices for how schools can be aware of potential barriers and respond to such concerns, and tips for people with disabilities who experience barriers. adata.org/ocr-videos [Image removed by sender. Block] Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ~WRD0000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD0000.jpg URL: From molsson at sbctc.edu Wed Sep 21 16:22:59 2022 From: molsson at sbctc.edu (Monica Olsson) Date: Wed Sep 21 16:23:04 2022 Subject: [Athen] [SPAM] Question abut the program zoom text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Charlotte, If the student is primarily using ZoomText to zoom in and enlarge the PDF to see the document, that would be working if the document has good enough resolution and clarity. If the student is trying to use some of the features within Zoom text that read text aloud, but the PDF is poor quality/scanned/not real text, they will likely encounter barries to this. [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass] Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges molsson@sbctc.edu ? o: 360-704-3922 ? c: 206-914-7187 sbctc.edu ? Twitter: @SBCTCWashington ? Facebook: @WASBCTC ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Charlotte Schiff-Norton Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 9:10 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [SPAM] [Athen] Question abut the program zoom text Hello! Is anyone familiar with the program Zoom Text? I have a student and parent who is using it and they are having issues with this program with it not reading PDF. I am not familiar with this program nor any other program that is meant for low vision users. Any suggestions on other programs that you know works with PDFS is welcome or troubling shooting is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and help in advance. _________________________ Charlotte Norton she/her/hers Saint Mary's College of California Student Disability Services Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator Office: (925) 631-5071 Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adina Mulliken Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library Hunter College, City University of New York 2180 3rd Ave. New York, NY Phone 212-396-7665 Pronouns she/her From: > on behalf of Mark Weiler > Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:42 AM To: igcapalwcag > Subject: CPL WCAG-IG Reporting a barrier: Example On October 3rd at 3:30pm at the Canadian Research Knowledge Network conference, blind Canadians ? from recent undergrad, to graduate students, to post-docs, to faculty ? will be on a panel speaking on: ?Ensuring that the ?World?s Knowledge is Accessible By All?: Canadian Blind Scholars Share their Experiences of Journal and other Digital Content? The Canadian Research Knowledge Network (CRKN) and its members are critical partners in the work of ensuring access to the world?s knowledge for a diversity of students and faculty with print disabilities. The 2016 CRKN model license was a step in the right direction. However, unless principles of accessibility are intentionally centred at all stages of CRKN?s activities - from procurement of academic journal subscriptions and eBooks, to negotiation with vendors, and the digitization of existing and often historic print resources - CRKN members may actually create and sustain accessibility barriers for disabled readers. In this round table presentation, blind scholars from diverse academic fields of study at Canadian universities and at various stages of our academic careers will highlight why strong and reciprocal community collaboration and deliberate relationship building are essential for CRKN to ensure its activities support digital accessibility. The panel will demonstrate how blind scholars access journal articles and eBooks with screen readers and braille displays. We will describe the everyday access barriers we face when we try to engage with the journal articles and other digital materials we require to complete and teach courses and undertake a diversity of research projects. We will also describe the significant personal impacts of encountering inaccessible library materials. Finally, we will offer our perspectives on practical solutions that are grounded in an assertion that accessibility is necessarily facilitated by a collective commitment across CRKN members and a collaborative relationship that centres diverse disabled expertise in all aspects of this work. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario * ? Notice: This email originated from outside of the organization. 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Their website is: https://highered.follett.com/ So far it seems to be really welcomed by faculty, and when I've checked prices, textbooks are a bit cheaper. One thing I'm seeing repeatedly though is how inexpensive renting digital copies of textbooks is. They are using a platform called BryteWave which I've never heard of. I hate to tell a student to buy an over $150 textbook for me to scan and imperfectly convert if the digital version they can rent for $34 a quarter is actually accessible. But of course, I don't know if that textbook is accessible. Here's their customer service page on ebooks; it's very generic: https://customersupportcenter.highered.follett.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061500574-Digital-Materials I found nothing about who actually provides the digital copies, only a lot of stuff about DRM. Our own bookstore site mentions BryteWave several times. Any thoughts on how I can further investigate it. The above prices were not exaggerations! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Sun Sep 25 10:34:46 2022 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Sun Sep 25 10:34:51 2022 Subject: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found this PDF https://content.efollett.com/brytewave/BryteWave_Frequently_Asked_Questions.pdf which says nothing about accessibility. I did try out a few books on Redshelf and found they were mostly accessible, though not always. I'm unclear if BryteWave is redshelf renamed or not. =--Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:24 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? So our bookstore was taken over last year by Follett. Our campus PR states: >Follett, which operates more than 1,100 college and university bookstores across the United States and Canada, brings the advantages of extensive supply >chain, economies of scale and new technology. The company offers the nation's largest textbook rental program, an extensive selection of used, digital, >new and OER materials, and a price-matching program. Their website is: https://highered.follett.com/ So far it seems to be really welcomed by faculty, and when I've checked prices, textbooks are a bit cheaper. One thing I'm seeing repeatedly though is how inexpensive renting digital copies of textbooks is. They are using a platform called BryteWave which I've never heard of. I hate to tell a student to buy an over $150 textbook for me to scan and imperfectly convert if the digital version they can rent for $34 a quarter is actually accessible. But of course, I don't know if that textbook is accessible. Here's their customer service page on ebooks; it's very generic: https://customersupportcenter.highered.follett.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061500574-Digital-Materials I found nothing about who actually provides the digital copies, only a lot of stuff about DRM. Our own bookstore site mentions BryteWave several times. Any thoughts on how I can further investigate it. The above prices were not exaggerations! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Steven.Bianco at fsw.edu Mon Sep 26 06:10:14 2022 From: Steven.Bianco at fsw.edu (Steven Bianco) Date: Mon Sep 26 06:10:20 2022 Subject: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is my understanding that Follett acquired RedShelf. Steven Kolberg, MA Florida SouthWestern State College Office of Information Technology Coordinator Accessibility and LMS Administration Phone: (239) 432-6774 or X16774 Email: Steven.Bianco@FSW.edu Follow the Florida State EIT Consortium on twitter and LinkedIn Florida SouthWestern State College, an equal access institution, prohibits discrimination in its employment, programs and activities based on race, sex, gender identity, age, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, pregnancy, sexual orientation, marital status, genetic information or veteran status. Questions pertaining to educational equity, equal access or equal opportunity should be addressed to the College's Title IX Coordinator/Equity Officer: Angela Snyder; Room A-106-A; 8099 College Parkway SW, Fort Myers, FL 33919; (239) 489-9051; equity@fsw.edu. FSW online anonymous reporting www.fsw.edu/report. Inquiries/complaints can be filed with the Title IX Coordinator/Equity Officer online, in person, via mail, via email, or with the US Department of Education, Office of Civil Rights, Atlanta Office: 61 Forsyth St. SW Suite 19T70, Atlanta, GA 30303-8927. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? CAUTION: Please Be Aware - This Email Originated Outside of FSW I found this PDF https://content.efollett.com/brytewave/BryteWave_Frequently_Asked_Questions.pdf which says nothing about accessibility. I did try out a few books on Redshelf and found they were mostly accessible, though not always. I'm unclear if BryteWave is redshelf renamed or not. =--Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:24 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? So our bookstore was taken over last year by Follett. Our campus PR states: >Follett, which operates more than 1,100 college and university bookstores across the United States and Canada, brings the advantages of extensive supply >chain, economies of scale and new technology. The company offers the nation's largest textbook rental program, an extensive selection of used, digital, >new and OER materials, and a price-matching program. Their website is: https://highered.follett.com/ So far it seems to be really welcomed by faculty, and when I've checked prices, textbooks are a bit cheaper. One thing I'm seeing repeatedly though is how inexpensive renting digital copies of textbooks is. They are using a platform called BryteWave which I've never heard of. I hate to tell a student to buy an over $150 textbook for me to scan and imperfectly convert if the digital version they can rent for $34 a quarter is actually accessible. But of course, I don't know if that textbook is accessible. Here's their customer service page on ebooks; it's very generic: https://customersupportcenter.highered.follett.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061500574-Digital-Materials I found nothing about who actually provides the digital copies, only a lot of stuff about DRM. Our own bookstore site mentions BryteWave several times. Any thoughts on how I can further investigate it. The above prices were not exaggerations! --Debee [Florida SouthWestern State College] Please note: Due to Florida's broad open records law, most written communication to or from College employees is public record, available to the public and the media upon request. 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Disability Resources for Students provide AT recommendations to students they work with, referring them as appropriate to the Showroom and its consultants as appropriate (as does our Disability Services office that supports faculty, students, staff and visitors with disabilities). We also all work toward the goal of the accessible design of IT the UW procures, develops, and uses and the UW to minimize the need for accommodations. Sheryl Burgstahler Director ATS and DO-IT ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Rachel Thompson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 10:08 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? Hi, colleagues. I hope you are doing well. My institution is discussing where assistive technology support should live. This role would help faculty and staff who need guidance using assistive technology. Student AT users work with our office of disability services, but supporting fac/staff needs is outside the scope of that area. Do you have a staff member who does this full-time or as part of their duties? Where is that responsibility housed on your campus? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson | Director, Center for Instructional Technology Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama [ua.edu] Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 2053480216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | https://cit.ua.edu/ [cit.ua.edu] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ksinglet at gmu.edu Mon Sep 26 10:50:15 2022 From: ksinglet at gmu.edu (Korey J Singleton) Date: Mon Sep 26 10:50:22 2022 Subject: [Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AT support at Mason lives under the Assistive Technology Initiative (ATI), which is under the Office for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Disability Services refers students with disabilities in need of technology accommodations. The ADA Coordinator (ATI is a direct report) refers employees and visitors with disabilities. Those referrals are processed by either our Assistive Technology Specialist (primarily students) or myself (primarily employees and visitors). Best, Korey Singleton, ATI Manager George Mason University Web: http://ati.gmu.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Sheryl Burgstahler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 1:42 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? AT support lives within Accessible Technology Services (ATS) which is within the central computing organization at the University of Washington (UW). Within this role as part of the IT Accessibility Team (managed by Terrill Thompson) is our Access Technology Showroom and consultation center (Managed by Dan Comden who reports to Terrill). Disability Resources for Students provide AT recommendations to students they work with, referring them as appropriate to the Showroom and its consultants as appropriate (as does our Disability Services office that supports faculty, students, staff and visitors with disabilities). We also all work toward the goal of the accessible design of IT the UW procures, develops, and uses and the UW to minimize the need for accommodations. Sheryl Burgstahler Director ATS and DO-IT ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Rachel Thompson > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 10:08 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? Hi, colleagues. I hope you are doing well. My institution is discussing where assistive technology support should live. This role would help faculty and staff who need guidance using assistive technology. Student AT users work with our office of disability services, but supporting fac/staff needs is outside the scope of that area. Do you have a staff member who does this full-time or as part of their duties? Where is that responsibility housed on your campus? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson | Director, Center for Instructional Technology Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama [ua.edu] Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 2053480216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | https://cit.ua.edu/ [cit.ua.edu] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mweiler at wlu.ca Mon Sep 26 10:56:03 2022 From: mweiler at wlu.ca (Mark Weiler) Date: Mon Sep 26 10:56:08 2022 Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Message-ID: Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? 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We have an Assistive Technology Trainer as a contract employee who is blind, has a computer science Associates degree and specifically trains students (and myself) on assistive technology for blind users. Alice Wershing Schedule a training session Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tennessee Board of Regents-TNeCampus [cid:86b5b0be-322d-4310-bdf6-49543ae808f5] ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Korey J Singleton Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 1:50 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [External] Re: [Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Pellissippi State. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. AT support at Mason lives under the Assistive Technology Initiative (ATI), which is under the Office for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Disability Services refers students with disabilities in need of technology accommodations. The ADA Coordinator (ATI is a direct report) refers employees and visitors with disabilities. Those referrals are processed by either our Assistive Technology Specialist (primarily students) or myself (primarily employees and visitors). Best, Korey Singleton, ATI Manager George Mason University Web: http://ati.gmu.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Sheryl Burgstahler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 1:42 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? AT support lives within Accessible Technology Services (ATS) which is within the central computing organization at the University of Washington (UW). Within this role as part of the IT Accessibility Team (managed by Terrill Thompson) is our Access Technology Showroom and consultation center (Managed by Dan Comden who reports to Terrill). Disability Resources for Students provide AT recommendations to students they work with, referring them as appropriate to the Showroom and its consultants as appropriate (as does our Disability Services office that supports faculty, students, staff and visitors with disabilities). We also all work toward the goal of the accessible design of IT the UW procures, develops, and uses and the UW to minimize the need for accommodations. Sheryl Burgstahler Director ATS and DO-IT ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Rachel Thompson > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 10:08 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? Hi, colleagues. I hope you are doing well. My institution is discussing where assistive technology support should live. This role would help faculty and staff who need guidance using assistive technology. Student AT users work with our office of disability services, but supporting fac/staff needs is outside the scope of that area. Do you have a staff member who does this full-time or as part of their duties? Where is that responsibility housed on your campus? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson | Director, Center for Instructional Technology Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama [ua.edu] Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 2053480216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | https://cit.ua.edu/ [cit.ua.edu] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Mon Sep 26 16:13:50 2022 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Mon Sep 26 16:13:57 2022 Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008601d8d1fd$a3c509c0$eb4f1d40$@pubcom.com> Apple's VoiceOver and Preview are not fully compliant PDF processors. (A PDF Processor is hardware/software that can write, read, update or otherwise process a PDF file.) In other words, don't blame the PDF file format itself. It's the manufacturer of these programs that has not followed the ISO standards for either how to process a PDF file per the main PDF standard (ISO 32000) or per the PDF/UA accessibility standard (ISO 14329). Just like we have WCAG standards to define an accessible website, PDF/UA is the complement for making PDFs accessible. Shame on Apple for not providing this accessibility on the Mac platform. I guess it just costs this trillion-dollar company too much money to read the PDF/UA standard and build their programs to meet it. - - - Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Hi Mark, It's been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac's Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don't think the experience is much better. I've never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I'd have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won't. I don't consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Rachel Thompson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:09 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi, colleagues. I hope you are doing well. My institution is discussing where assistive technology support should live. This role would help faculty and staff who need guidance using assistive technology. Student AT users work with our office of disability services, but supporting fac/staff needs is outside the scope of that area. Do you have a staff member who does this full-time or as part of their duties? Where is that responsibility housed on your campus? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson | Director, Center for Instructional Technology Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 2053480216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | https://cit.ua.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 27 10:20:39 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 27 10:20:45 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you tried opening the PDF in Apple Books? I haven't tried it myself but I have been told that Books handles PDF files pretty well, at least they used to. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 4:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Mark, It's been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac's Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don't think the experience is much better. I've never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I'd have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won't. I don't consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From newland_ann at columbusstate.edu Tue Sep 27 10:30:58 2022 From: newland_ann at columbusstate.edu (Ann Newland) Date: Tue Sep 27 10:31:40 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What are your experiences with Adobe Acrobat Pro DC running on MacOS? Does it operate as a compliant processor should? *Please fill out this short survey regarding your service today: *COOL Consultation Survey Ann Newland, EdS, CPACC Accessibility Specialist - Center of Online Learning Accessibility Columbus State University 706-507-8530 On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:23 PM Robert Beach wrote: > Have you tried opening the PDF in Apple Books? I haven?t tried it myself > but I have been told that Books handles PDF files pretty well, at least > they used to. > > > > > > *Robert Lee Beach* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* ? Student Accessibility & Support > Services > > > > *Kansas City Kansas Community College* > > 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 > > O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Russell Solowoniuk > *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2022 4:47 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article > > > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > Hi Mark, > > > > It?s been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read > well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac?s Adobe Reader > equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don?t think the > experience is much better. I?ve never been able to navigate in a PDF on the > Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I?d have to try > navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a > suspicion that it won?t. > > > > I don?t consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more > experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Mark Weiler > *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article > > > > *EXTERNAL:* Use caution. > > > > > Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen > and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article > with me? > > Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. > > > > Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) > > JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist > > Web & User Experience Librarian > > Wilfrid Laurier University > > Waterloo, Ontario > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 27 11:14:08 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 27 11:14:14 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay, I was just told by one of my Mac students that Apple has broken VO access in Books. I'm not sure if this is just on the iPads or is also the case on the Mac computers. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Have you tried opening the PDF in Apple Books? I haven't tried it myself but I have been told that Books handles PDF files pretty well, at least they used to. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 4:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Mark, It's been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac's Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don't think the experience is much better. I've never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I'd have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won't. I don't consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. 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Salt Lake Community College has a full-time Universal Access Initiatives staff in our People and Workplace Culture department who assists faculty/staff with various accessibility concerns, but it is typically in the proactive access scope or VPAT review for procurement. If a faculty or staff member needs help with their own ADA accommodations for work that would be through our full-time ADA Coordinator housed in Human Resources. I've had our HR ADA Coordinator reach out to me for assistance with some employee AT software trainings or alt text requests in the past. Our IT addresses some basic digital access concerns and then directs them to the contacts I mentioned as needed. Sincerely, Jamie Bird Assistive Technology Coordinator Salt Lake Community College Disability Resource Center 801-957-4506 | STC-053A jamie.bird@slcc.edu [Title: Logo - Description: Salt Lake Community College Logo] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 11:03 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] Where does AT support live on your campus? CAUTION: This is an external message from: athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu. If you have questions regarding its validity, please review how to identify suspicious emails. Here, I am the Assistive Technology Specialist and I am housed in Student Accessibility and Support Services. I have known of colleges that housed this position in the technology department and that also seemed to work well for them. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Rachel Thompson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:09 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Where does AT support live on your campus? CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi, colleagues. I hope you are doing well. My institution is discussing where assistive technology support should live. This role would help faculty and staff who need guidance using assistive technology. Student AT users work with our office of disability services, but supporting fac/staff needs is outside the scope of that area. Do you have a staff member who does this full-time or as part of their duties? Where is that responsibility housed on your campus? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson | Director, Center for Instructional Technology Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 2053480216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | https://cit.ua.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8028 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 27 12:22:41 2022 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 27 12:22:47 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, I have a student worker who is good with Mac and VO. He just had a PDF with headings work perfectly in Preview. We are going to look at it again tomorrow. If I think it is working correctly, we can setup a Zoom meeting with you so you can see what is happening. Do you have a particular PDF we can look at for you and make sure we are covering what you need? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT][Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? 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URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Sep 27 15:52:43 2022 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 27 15:52:48 2022 Subject: [Athen] Good news for Bookshare Braille users Message-ID: This morning, I updated my NLS E-reader (the Braille display NLS provides to patrons) and it now supports bookshare. I can download and navigate books just fine from the device in Braille. It is a good idea for users to have daisy as their download preference because it includes more navigation than Braille BRF files. The NLS E-Reader can cope with both. And with Daisy you can navigate by page or any other level marked up in the book. Previously users could copy bookshare books to these devices, but now the NLS E-Reader has an app similar to the Victor Stream that lets users search the collection and download directly from the device. These E-readers are being rolled out to any patron of the National Library service for the blind and physically handicapped. Not all state libraries have them, but many do. Most Braille displays and note-takers from only a year or so ago could not support Daisy. Now all the Humanware offerings, the Mantis and Chameleon from APH plus the Brailliant BI series direct from Humanware can. What this means for a DSPS professional is that there's no longer a need to tediously translate things in to Braille if the markup in the book is already good and your student has such a display. Though I don't have one, I believe the Hims newer displays also support Daisy. All modern displays will automatically translate Braille, so you can also give a Braille reader a word document, if they want to read electronically. Unless it's specialized STEM material, you should rarely need to produce actual Braille for someone who has a modern display. They often work stand-alone as well as being able to act as a display for a screen reader. They also connect to smartphones and tablets so the user can read a book in the Kindle or Nook app, or even on a platform like RedShelf or VitalSource using their app or the browser. I've tested my Braille display with all these combinations both on my PC and iPHONE and with some practice, and occasionally loosing my place, can read most textbooks that are not image-based just fine. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.green at testpartners.co.uk Tue Sep 27 16:22:28 2022 From: steve.green at testpartners.co.uk (Steve Green) Date: Tue Sep 27 16:22:33 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Voiceover's behaviour with PDFs in Preview very much depends on the content. I recently did some basic tests using PDFs that we have made to be 100% PDF/UA and WCAG 2.1 AA conformant. I could jump to the next heading or the next list as expected. However, Voiceover does not announce when lists start or end (which JAWS and NVDA do in Adobe Reader) and it does not announce the nesting of lists (which JAWS and NVDA also do), which has the potential to render a document incomprehensible. Voiceover does announce the bullets, which is useful up to a point. One of the PDFs contained a form that worked perfectly with JAWS and NVDA in Adobe Reader, but not only did it not work correctly with Voiceover in Preview, but Preview modified the file's code so the saved document then didn't work with Adobe Reader anymore! The file corruption is caused by Preview, not Voiceover. My view is that it would be better if Preview didn't try to open PDFs, so Mac users were forced to install Adobe Reader. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: 27 September 2022 20:23 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Mark, I have a student worker who is good with Mac and VO. He just had a PDF with headings work perfectly in Preview. We are going to look at it again tomorrow. If I think it is working correctly, we can setup a Zoom meeting with you so you can see what is happening. Do you have a particular PDF we can look at for you and make sure we are covering what you need? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT][Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. 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I can download and navigate > books just fine from the device in Braille. > > It is a good idea for users to have daisy as their download preference > because it includes more navigation than Braille BRF files. The NLS > E-Reader can cope with both. And with Daisy you can navigate by page or > any other level marked up in the book. > > Previously users could copy bookshare books to these devices, but now the > NLS E-Reader has an app similar to the Victor Stream that lets users search > the collection and download directly from the device. These E-readers are > being rolled out to any patron of the National Library service for the > blind and physically handicapped. Not all state libraries have them, but > many do. > > > > Most Braille displays and note-takers from only a year or so ago could not > support Daisy. Now all the Humanware offerings, the Mantis and Chameleon > from APH plus the Brailliant BI series direct from Humanware can. > > > > What this means for a DSPS professional is that there?s no longer a need > to tediously translate things in to Braille if the markup in the book is > already good and your student has such a display. Though I don?t have one, > I believe the Hims newer displays also support Daisy. > > > > All modern displays will automatically translate Braille, so you can also > give a Braille reader a word document, if they want to read electronically. > > > > Unless it?s specialized STEM material, you should rarely need to produce > actual Braille for someone who has a modern display. They often work > stand-alone as well as being able to act as a display for a screen reader. > > > > They also connect to smartphones and tablets so the user can read a book > in the Kindle or Nook app, or even on a platform like RedShelf or > VitalSource using their app or the browser. I?ve tested my Braille display > with all these combinations both on my PC and iPHONE and with some > practice, and occasionally loosing my place, can read most textbooks that > are not image-based just fine. > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From K4mccall at outlook.com Wed Sep 28 05:47:44 2022 From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall) Date: Wed Sep 28 05:47:47 2022 Subject: [Athen] Describing Yourself in Meetings Survey Results and a New Alt Text Survey Message-ID: Morning Everyone! Two pieces of news: The results of the survey I conducted about describing yourself during meetings or conference sessions are up on my website. Karlen Communications - PDF and the User Experience Survey The direct link to the tagged PDF is: https://www.karlencommunications.com/adobe/SurveyResultsPeopleDescribingThemselvesDuringMeetingsAndPresentations2022.pdf I've also launched a new iteration of the Alt text Survey that I conducted last year. The direct result is: https://forms.office.com/r/QBLTwR5kg3 Please share the links to both resources with anyone who might be interested in the results of the describing yourself survey or filling in the Alt text survey. Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Sep 28 08:58:57 2022 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Sep 28 08:59:02 2022 Subject: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, it does appear to be the RedShelf Reader and I think there are a few growing pains. For example, the FAQ says there is no TTS but other documentation says each book page has a read aloud button. I personally found RedShelf very accessible. But I know other students we worked with don't agree. It's such a slippery concept in many ways because if a student knows how to use one reading platform, they may decide one they haven't learned to use is not accessible even when it is. Someone tried to tell me this summer that the Bookshare web reader wasn't accessible. Anyway, it looks like there's a mix of image-based and text-based books. I guess the keyword is reflowable, because Redshelf doesn't say if it's a PDF or an epub as it's wrapped with DRM inside their own platform. I've written to them to ask them for a few sample books to put on my shelf for a few days; I sent them ISBNS and we'll see. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:35 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? I found this PDF https://content.efollett.com/brytewave/BryteWave_Frequently_Asked_Questions.pdf which says nothing about accessibility. I did try out a few books on Redshelf and found they were mostly accessible, though not always. I'm unclear if BryteWave is redshelf renamed or not. =--Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:24 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] Follett and BryteWave, how accessible is it? So our bookstore was taken over last year by Follett. Our campus PR states: >Follett, which operates more than 1,100 college and university bookstores across the United States and Canada, brings the advantages of extensive supply >chain, economies of scale and new technology. The company offers the nation's largest textbook rental program, an extensive selection of used, digital, >new and OER materials, and a price-matching program. Their website is: https://highered.follett.com/ So far it seems to be really welcomed by faculty, and when I've checked prices, textbooks are a bit cheaper. One thing I'm seeing repeatedly though is how inexpensive renting digital copies of textbooks is. They are using a platform called BryteWave which I've never heard of. I hate to tell a student to buy an over $150 textbook for me to scan and imperfectly convert if the digital version they can rent for $34 a quarter is actually accessible. But of course, I don't know if that textbook is accessible. Here's their customer service page on ebooks; it's very generic: https://customersupportcenter.highered.follett.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061500574-Digital-Materials I found nothing about who actually provides the digital copies, only a lot of stuff about DRM. Our own bookstore site mentions BryteWave several times. Any thoughts on how I can further investigate it. The above prices were not exaggerations! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Wed Sep 28 13:27:13 2022 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Wed Sep 28 13:27:19 2022 Subject: [Athen] Voice typing for coding in Linux without word completion Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have a student who only has use of one hand and is taking a coding class. He has something he uses now but because it gives words ahead, it isn't allowed for his exam. It is called ATOM. Anything with Microsoft Visual Studio will also not be allowed. Does anyone have any ideas? We have Dragon. He is using a virtual Linux terminal through a Windows computer in class. Thanks in advance for any help- Alice Wershing Schedule a training session Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tennessee Board of Regents-TNeCampus [cid:bd45d729-033f-4599-b0b0-81ba5cf4b796] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: September 28, 2022 1:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Voice typing for coding in Linux without word completion Hello everyone, I have a student who only has use of one hand and is taking a coding class. He has something he uses now but because it gives words ahead, it isn't allowed for his exam. It is called ATOM. Anything with Microsoft Visual Studio will also not be allowed. Does anyone have any ideas? We have Dragon. He is using a virtual Linux terminal through a Windows computer in class. Thanks in advance for any help- Alice Wershing Schedule a training session Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. 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The other question is what do you do internally when you want to do raised line drawings in house? Thank you in advance for your help. Best, Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability & Access Services 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mweiler at wlu.ca Thu Sep 29 16:42:38 2022 From: mweiler at wlu.ca (Mark Weiler) Date: Thu Sep 29 16:42:42 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL *] Re: [EXT] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?ll reach out to you, Robert. Thanks. From: athen-list on behalf of Robert Beach Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 3:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXTERNAL *] Re: [Athen] [EXT] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Mark, I have a student worker who is good with Mac and VO. He just had a PDF with headings work perfectly in Preview. We are going to look at it again tomorrow. If I think it is working correctly, we can setup a Zoom meeting with you so you can see what is happening. Do you have a particular PDF we can look at for you and make sure we are covering what you need? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist ? Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT][Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario * ? Notice: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mweiler at wlu.ca Thu Sep 29 16:49:32 2022 From: mweiler at wlu.ca (Mark Weiler) Date: Thu Sep 29 16:49:36 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL *] Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Russell. It feels a bit like a situation of ?Am I doing something wrong or is something not working?? From: athen-list on behalf of Russell Solowoniuk Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXTERNAL *] Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Hi Mark, It?s been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac?s Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don?t think the experience is much better. I?ve never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I?d have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won?t. I don?t consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario * ? Notice: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Fri Sep 30 15:24:14 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Fri Sep 30 15:24:18 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert, I'd be curious to hear about your experience reading a PDF with headings in Preview, if you don't mind. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 1:23 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Mark, I have a student worker who is good with Mac and VO. He just had a PDF with headings work perfectly in Preview. We are going to look at it again tomorrow. If I think it is working correctly, we can setup a Zoom meeting with you so you can see what is happening. Do you have a particular PDF we can look at for you and make sure we are covering what you need? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT][Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Fri Sep 30 15:26:48 2022 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Fri Sep 30 15:26:52 2022 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert, I was going to try reading PDFs in Books on macOS, as a student told me he is having great success reading them in Books in iOS. I'll give it a try and report back to the list if I have success. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:14 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Okay, I was just told by one of my Mac students that Apple has broken VO access in Books. I'm not sure if this is just on the iPads or is also the case on the Mac computers. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Have you tried opening the PDF in Apple Books? I haven't tried it myself but I have been told that Books handles PDF files pretty well, at least they used to. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 4:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hi Mark, It's been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac's Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don't think the experience is much better. I've never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I'd have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won't. I don't consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. 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(A PDF Processor is hardware/software that can write, read, update or otherwise process a PDF file.) In other words, don't blame the PDF file format itself. It's the manufacturer of these programs that has not followed the ISO standards for either how to process a PDF file per the main PDF standard (ISO 32000) or per the PDF/UA accessibility standard (ISO 14329). Just like we have WCAG standards to define an accessible website, PDF/UA is the complement for making PDFs accessible. Shame on Apple for not providing this accessibility on the Mac platform. I guess it just costs this trillion-dollar company too much money to read the PDF/UA standard and build their programs to meet it. - - - Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article Hi Mark, It's been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac's Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don't think the experience is much better. I've never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I'd have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won't. I don't consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mark Weiler Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article EXTERNAL: Use caution. Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me? Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order. Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him) JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist Web & User Experience Librarian Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: