[Athen] [EXTERNAL] Re: article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News

[Alexis Delevett]

Thanks, that's great news about articles generally being tagged.

Of course, your experience may be different also for textbooks, but I more often than not find that textbooks in PDF are not tagged and so now I'm wondering why textbooks are treated differently than journal articles?
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I doubt many of the publisher-produced PDFs are not accessible/tagged.  Every article I run into on a library database produced by a publisher is well-formatted and perfectly tagged.



The author specifically points to librarians creating documents using Microsoft word, so I’m assuming these are in-house documents.  You don’t create a PDF in Adobe PDF, you create it somewhere else and export it to PDF, with tags and etc. This is why I feel like the author doesn’t really understand what he is talking about.  Even a basically formatted Word file with the use of styles/headings exports as a nice PDF once it is done, and it takes very little time to do that.





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Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible digital content?



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Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful.



Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML.



I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about.





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Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is.   I’m not agreeing with the article.



Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. College & Research Libraries News, 83(8), 363. doi:https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.5860%2Fcrln.83.8.363&data=05%7C01%7Calexis_delevett%40cuesta.edu%7C6bfb0e613e534930db0308da929f8c4e%7Cdd06762afacb4cd7a4a5cc0ba50bcc30%7C0%7C0%7C637983511215809830%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SEEg4kr9vpXxEfv7WNPkjUN%2BMVld3%2FiWgHafNedi5wQ%3D&reserved=0>

At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view.



Adina



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