From K4mccall at outlook.com  Fri Dec  1 06:01:21 2023
From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall)
Date: Fri Dec  1 06:01:27 2023
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020
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Morning!

You can go to Edit > Preferences and turn off updates.

Is it the new user interface that you don't want to use?

Foxit has its issues. A major one is that not all tag attributes are supported in its reader for screen reader testing. For example, attributes on the <Span> tag for changes in language or acronyms.

I also find that there are some tools that seem to be missing that I have in Acrobat. I can't think of one at the moment, but when I do training and look for a tool that I have access to in Acrobat, it is not there in Foxit.

Avoid at all costs Kofax PowerPDF. It will only generate <P>, <Figure> and the odd <Table> tags. Nothing else, even if the document you start with has been created to be accessible. The Kofax application doesn't recognize any structure in a document other than the tags I mentioned.

Cheers, Karen

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Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine
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From adietrich at cornell.edu  Fri Dec  1 07:34:18 2023
From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich)
Date: Fri Dec  1 07:34:22 2023
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020
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We use ABBYY Finereader as an OCR program, and it also comes with a very good PDF reader/editor. I would recommend looking into that.

-Andi :)

--------------------------
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She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
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Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine
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From K4mccall at outlook.com  Fri Dec  1 10:07:10 2023
From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall)
Date: Fri Dec  1 10:07:40 2023
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020
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I'll check again but the last time I tried to create a tagged PDF from ABBYY FineReader, it didn't always recognize lists and there was no tool to identify them.

I'm also not sure that you can view the Tags Tree in FineReader?

Cheers, Karen

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 10:34 AM
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We use ABBYY Finereader as an OCR program, and it also comes with a very good PDF reader/editor. I would recommend looking into that.

-Andi :)

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
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Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine
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From adietrich at cornell.edu  Fri Dec  1 10:48:17 2023
From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich)
Date: Fri Dec  1 10:48:22 2023
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020
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99% of the time these days we're making Word documents from PDF files, but if we needed to make accessible PDFs I think it's possible to do in ABBYY, you just do it differently. If you pull a PDF into the OCR part of the program you can tag areas as text, image, tables, etc., and you can choose the reading order for all the elements on a page. Those SHOULD save as accessible PDF elements if you then export in the right format. This is not something I've tested, but the company does claim you can make fully compliant PDF-UA documents using their software. https://pdf.abbyy.com/blog/pdf-ua/

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
Web: sds.cornell.edu

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Karen McCall
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I'll check again but the last time I tried to create a tagged PDF from ABBYY FineReader, it didn't always recognize lists and there was no tool to identify them.

I'm also not sure that you can view the Tags Tree in FineReader?

Cheers, Karen

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

We use ABBYY Finereader as an OCR program, and it also comes with a very good PDF reader/editor. I would recommend looking into that.

-Andi :)

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 3:27 PM
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Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine
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From adietrich at cornell.edu  Fri Dec  1 10:53:21 2023
From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich)
Date: Fri Dec  1 10:53:25 2023
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Actually, I'm not sure about lists. I'm not finding anything in the program that looks like it does lists properly. I may be wrong, though, and ABBYY is a super helpful program in other ways so generally I would still recommend it.

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
Web: sds.cornell.edu

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 1:48 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET
Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

99% of the time these days we're making Word documents from PDF files, but if we needed to make accessible PDFs I think it's possible to do in ABBYY, you just do it differently. If you pull a PDF into the OCR part of the program you can tag areas as text, image, tables, etc., and you can choose the reading order for all the elements on a page. Those SHOULD save as accessible PDF elements if you then export in the right format. This is not something I've tested, but the company does claim you can make fully compliant PDF-UA documents using their software. https://pdf.abbyy.com/blog/pdf-ua/

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
Web: sds.cornell.edu

*Please note that confidentiality of non-encrypted e-mail communication cannot be guaranteed. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Disclosure of any information contained in this message to someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited.

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Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

I'll check again but the last time I tried to create a tagged PDF from ABBYY FineReader, it didn't always recognize lists and there was no tool to identify them.

I'm also not sure that you can view the Tags Tree in FineReader?

Cheers, Karen

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

We use ABBYY Finereader as an OCR program, and it also comes with a very good PDF reader/editor. I would recommend looking into that.

-Andi :)

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
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Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine
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From ois5073 at psu.edu  Fri Dec  1 10:59:10 2023
From: ois5073 at psu.edu (Statham III, Otis)
Date: Fri Dec  1 10:59:16 2023
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020
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Hi Andrea,

The only way that I can see to get an almost fully accessible properly tagged pdf is the use Abby FineReader to change the inaccessible PDF into a word document and create it
With accessibility in mind. Then export that to a PDF and check for empty tags and any other issues. It seems to me to be the best move if accessibility (i.e., proper tags) are your priority.
Otis

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99% of the time these days we're making Word documents from PDF files, but if we needed to make accessible PDFs I think it's possible to do in ABBYY, you just do it differently. If you pull a PDF into the OCR part of the program you can tag areas as text, image, tables, etc., and you can choose the reading order for all the elements on a page. Those SHOULD save as accessible PDF elements if you then export in the right format. This is not something I've tested, but the company does claim you can make fully compliant PDF-UA documents using their software. https://pdf.abbyy.com/blog/pdf-ua/

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Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
Web: sds.cornell.edu

*Please note that confidentiality of non-encrypted e-mail communication cannot be guaranteed. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Disclosure of any information contained in this message to someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited.

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Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

I'll check again but the last time I tried to create a tagged PDF from ABBYY FineReader, it didn't always recognize lists and there was no tool to identify them.

I'm also not sure that you can view the Tags Tree in FineReader?

Cheers, Karen

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

We use ABBYY Finereader as an OCR program, and it also comes with a very good PDF reader/editor. I would recommend looking into that.

-Andi :)

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
Web: sds.cornell.edu

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Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine
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From: ois5073 at psu.edu (Statham III, Otis)
Date: Fri Dec  1 11:01:32 2023
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020
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Hi again,
I have found that after converting to a word document that if you author your lists whether they be bulleted, numbered or whatever in a semantic fashion. Then check after exporting back to PDF. Almost every time it works like a charm for me.
Otis

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Actually, I'm not sure about lists. I'm not finding anything in the program that looks like it does lists properly. I may be wrong, though, and ABBYY is a super helpful program in other ways so generally I would still recommend it.

--------------------------
Andrea Dietrich
She / Her / Hers
Accommodation Specialist
Student Disability Services

Cornell University
Cornell Health, Level 5
110 Ho Plaza
Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: adietrich@cornell.edu<mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu>
Phone: (607) 254-4545
Fax: (607) 255-1562
Web: sds.cornell.edu

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 1:48 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>; ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

99% of the time these days we're making Word documents from PDF files, but if we needed to make accessible PDFs I think it's possible to do in ABBYY, you just do it differently. If you pull a PDF into the OCR part of the program you can tag areas as text, image, tables, etc., and you can choose the reading order for all the elements on a page. Those SHOULD save as accessible PDF elements if you then export in the right format. This is not something I've tested, but the company does claim you can make fully compliant PDF-UA documents using their software. https://pdf.abbyy.com/blog/pdf-ua/

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Student Disability Services

Cornell University
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Ithaca, NY 14853
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Karen McCall
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

I'll check again but the last time I tried to create a tagged PDF from ABBYY FineReader, it didn't always recognize lists and there was no tool to identify them.

I'm also not sure that you can view the Tags Tree in FineReader?

Cheers, Karen

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

We use ABBYY Finereader as an OCR program, and it also comes with a very good PDF reader/editor. I would recommend looking into that.

-Andi :)

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Cornell University
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 3:27 PM
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Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine
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From chagnon at pubcom.com  Fri Dec  1 11:25:54 2023
From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com)
Date: Fri Dec  1 11:26:04 2023
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020
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Quote: "We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily producing alternative text.  It
seems that they are phasing out Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020." End Quote

 

Is there a reason why you're using an out-of-date version of Acrobat Pro?

Recent releases have greatly improved the utilities for accessible PDFs:

-     Improved AutoTag utility (still not great, but it's very useful for
simple text/headings documents).

-     Updated accessibility checker.

-     Less-glitchy Alt-Text utility.

-     Improved and updated tools in the Preflight section which can identify
and correct technical problems (like artifacting Non-Struct elements and
embedding fonts).

 

Note: version 2020 is 4 years old, and Adobe and other software
manufacturers drop support for software after 3-4 years. You can still use
it, of course, but there will be no ability to reinstall the old version on
another computer, nor will you receive software updates from Adobe.

 

ABBYY Fine Reader is a fabulous utility.

But:

1.      It can't do half of what Acrobat Pro and 3rd party programs can do
to correct PDFs and Word documents.

2.      Any time you use any OCR tool from any vendor, you risk having
mis-identification of the text, such as missing spaces, conjoined words, and
mis-read words and numbers. It will look OK to sighted users, but screen
reader and TTS software will present something less than correct to the end
user.

 

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of
Norwich, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 3:27 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> >; ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET
<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET> 
Subject: [Athen] Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020

 

Dear All,

Hope your semester is going well.  We use Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 daily
producing alternative text.  It seems that they are phasing out Adobe
Acrobat Pro 2020.  What alternatives are you using instead.

Thanks

Lorraine

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From tft at uw.edu  Tue Dec  5 08:38:15 2023
From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson)
Date: Tue Dec  5 08:44:47 2023
Subject: [Athen] Director of Digital Accessibility at the University of
	Washington
Message-ID: <CAC7M+woG+4Q0kqX3bo0NEKJJgMZ_rKtSJEZ1Mwdz68XoxN0EYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

The University of Washington (UW) is accepting applications for Director of
Digital Accessibility.  This is Sheryl Burgstahler's position, who is
retiring at the end of the month after 40 years of service.

The person in this position will lead the university?s digital
accessibility program, a complex institution-wide responsibility that
touches all parts of the University. They will be responsible for the
vision, evolution, and execution of a portfolio of services that support
digital accessibility, working closely with partners across the University
in academic and administrative units. They will also lead DO-IT
(Disability, Opportunity, Internetworking and Technology), a center
dedicated to advancing the success of people with disabilities in
education, research and careers, with support from multiple National
Science Foundation grants, the State of Washington, and other sources.

This is a an opportunity to have a huge impact on digital accessibility,
not just at the UW but throughout the nation and world.

Note the very short timeline: The position closes on *Friday December 8 at
5:00pm PST.*

For more on the position and/or to apply, please see the Position
Announcement
<https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/Candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile&szOrderID=228996>
on the UW Hires website.
---
Terrill Thompson (he/him)
Manager, IT Accessibility Team
UW-IT Accessible Technology Services
University of Washington
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From cfinan at howardcc.edu  Tue Dec  5 12:14:43 2023
From: cfinan at howardcc.edu (Finan, Cristina)
Date: Tue Dec  5 12:14:48 2023
Subject: [Athen] Math for a low tech user
Message-ID: <DM6PR08MB6361495E2CBE18A602D5D5EDAA85A@DM6PR08MB6361.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,

I'm mentoring my Assistive Technology replacement and I've been out of that world for almost two years and she is working with her first extremely low vision student and we have a conundrum.

This is a student taking a GED prep course through the college's continuing education department. He is very unskilled with technology and has difficulty learning it. He did take a training program but was dismissed for behavior before completing it. He has had the opportunity to use ZoomText but couldn't navigate it and is currently attempting to use NVDA. He has also been shown how to submit proctoring requests in AIM multiple times and can't seem to grasp the steps involved. From what I can see, he is relying on human assistance for most tasks.

My question is what is the college responsible for in terms of providing accessible math materials. Does the fact that he is in continuing education as opposed to college courses change anything? Should he be treated as a college student or are more k-12 services expected and required? If the material is converted using MathML, are we required to also provide training on the proper use of NVDA and the integration of math type? If he can't grasp the technology, is it appropriate to use human intervention? Is there any expectation of basic skills learned elsewhere or the ability to acquire those skills with technology?

My mentee has likened his tech skills to those of an 80 year old (not ageism, just a reference to someone that is incredibly far from being a digital native) even though he is only 20.

The college wants to do the right thing but we just aren't clear on what that is under these circumstances.

Thanks in advance,
Tina Finan

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From chagnon at pubcom.com  Wed Dec  6 11:03:56 2023
From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com)
Date: Wed Dec  6 11:04:02 2023
Subject: [Athen] Article: America Promises Equality for Disabled Students.
	It's Failing.
Message-ID: <005701da2876$f6ad5ea0$e4081be0$@pubcom.com>

Mother Jones magazine just published an in-depth investigative report,
"America Promises Equality for Disabled Students. It's Failing."

6 modules showcase problems and some successes from around the country.

Online version is at
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/america-promises-equality-for-d
isabled-students-its-failing/ 

Don't want to stir up a political debate, just want to inform colleagues of
what the magazine documented. So let's not squabble about the use of the
term "disabled students" or how accessible the website is.

 

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<mailto:Chagnon@PubCom.com>  

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From tlmarzewski at asub.edu  Wed Dec  6 14:06:15 2023
From: tlmarzewski at asub.edu (Tisha L. Marzewski)
Date: Wed Dec  6 14:06:24 2023
Subject: [Athen] Need a break? Accessibility fireside chat
Message-ID: <SA1PR07MB91015C1D25AE7C6086712DE0DA84A@SA1PR07MB9101.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Join ASC Live on December 8th at 12:00 PM CDT with special guest Stephen Cutchins, Senior Accessibility Manager from Cvent is guest for a special holiday edition of ASC Live!

This Friday, December 8th from 12-1 pm CDT, you are invited to join Stephen Cutchins and Krystal Iseminger for a fireside chat about accessibility, events, and in-person gatherings. As the Senior Accessibility Manager from Cvent, Stephen is well-versed in accessibility for events and has a wealth of experiential knowledge to share.

Stephen is also a passionate advocate for accessibility in his everyday life. Together, and with interaction and questions from you, we will explore events both professional and personal, and what you can do to make any event more accessible, from a corporate holiday party to a New Year's Eve celebration with family and friends.

Register for free today!<https://wsutech.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_Nkqj2cK3SaaDDbMosJLEfQ?mc_cid=a58dda7dd4&mc_eid=67cd6eb467#/registration>

Tisha L Marzewski | Coordinator of Disability Services
Arkansas State University-Beebe
501.882.8863
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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Wed Dec  6 17:50:30 2023
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Wed Dec  6 17:51:47 2023
Subject: [Athen] Alphabetical List of VoiceOver Sonoma (macOS) commands
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Attached in HTML.
I asked my sighted husband if he could make it more visually attractive and he may or may not get around to this honey-do project. But it's in the public domain as far as I'm concerned.
I wrote it, So have at it!
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From lgreco at berkeley.edu  Thu Dec  7 10:42:27 2023
From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy Greco)
Date: Thu Dec  7 10:43:06 2023
Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] Article: America Promises Equality for
 Disabled Students. It's Failing.
In-Reply-To: <005701da2876$f6ad5ea0$e4081be0$@pubcom.com>
References: <005701da2876$f6ad5ea0$e4081be0$@pubcom.com>
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by any chance do you have this in a more accessible format i could not get
any text past the intro

Berkeley IT <https://technology.berkeley.edu/home>

Lucy Greco, Web Accessibility Evangelist

Campus IT Experience
Phone: (510) 289-6008 | Email: lgreco@berkeley.edu |

We champion diversity. We act with integrity. We deliver. We innovate.



On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 11:04?AM <chagnon@pubcom.com> wrote:

> Mother Jones magazine just published an in-depth investigative report,
> "America Promises Equality for Disabled Students. It's Failing."
>
> 6 modules showcase problems and some successes from around the country.
>
> Online version is at
>
> https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/america-promises-equality-for-d
> isabled-students-its-failing/
> <https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/america-promises-equality-for-disabled-students-its-failing/>
>
> Don't want to stir up a political debate, just want to inform colleagues of
> what the magazine documented. So let's not squabble about the use of the
> term "disabled students" or how accessible the website is.
>
>
>
> - - -
>
> Bevi Chagnon  | Designer, Accessibility Technician |  Chagnon@PubCom.com
> <mailto:Chagnon@PubCom.com>
>
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> to
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From chagnon at pubcom.com  Thu Dec  7 11:40:16 2023
From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com)
Date: Thu Dec  7 11:40:52 2023
Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] Article: America Promises Equality for
	Disabled Students. It's Failing.
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I sent Lucy Greco an accessible version of the multi-part articles.

If anyone else would like it, contact me directly at Chagnon@PubCom.com <mailto:Chagnon@PubCom.com>  

 

? ? ?

Bevi Chagnon  | Designer, Accessibility Technician |   <mailto:Chagnon@PubCom.com> Chagnon@PubCom.com 

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From: Lucy Greco <lgreco@berkeley.edu> 
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 1:42 PM
To: chagnon@pubcom.com; WebAIM Discussion List <webaim-forum@list.webaim.org>
Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Article: America Promises Equality for Disabled Students. It's Failing.

 

by any chance do you have this in a more accessible format i could not get any text past the intro 

 <https://technology.berkeley.edu/home> Berkeley IT

Lucy Greco, Web Accessibility Evangelist

Campus IT Experience
Phone: (510) 289-6008 | Email:  <mailto:lgreco@berkeley.edu> lgreco@berkeley.edu | 

We champion diversity. We act with integrity. We deliver. We innovate.

 

 

 

On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 11:04?AM <chagnon@pubcom.com <mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com> > wrote:

Mother Jones magazine just published an in-depth investigative report,
"America Promises Equality for Disabled Students. It's Failing."

6 modules showcase problems and some successes from around the country.

Online version is at
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/america-promises-equality-for-d <https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/america-promises-equality-for-disabled-students-its-failing/> 
isabled-students-its-failing/ 

Don't want to stir up a political debate, just want to inform colleagues of
what the magazine documented. So let's not squabble about the use of the
term "disabled students" or how accessible the website is.



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From K4mccall at outlook.com  Mon Dec 11 05:54:31 2023
From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall)
Date: Mon Dec 11 05:54:36 2023
Subject: [Athen] Foxit is ending "upfront payment" and moving to subscription
Message-ID: <PH0P220MB04576E2DC064A90C477A61F28F8FA@PH0P220MB0457.NAMP220.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Morning!
For those who use Foxit for PDFs, I got an e-mail from Foxit this weekend stating that, as of "now", they are ending the "upfront payments" or single payment option for Foxit.
The subscription price starts at $18.99 per month CAD. At least I think it's CAD. It might be USD.
Just a heads-up for those who switched to Foxit to save money. Not so much anymore!
There is no indication that our stand-alone/single purchase versions will expire, but I imagine there won't be any updates.
Do not switch to Kofax PowerPDF to try and save money. It is the worst of the 3 in terms of tagging capability. Even taking a well-structured Word document, the results are only P, Figure and some table tags. It is not a viable alternative.
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From M.Deeprose at soton.ac.uk  Mon Dec 11 07:39:15 2023
From: M.Deeprose at soton.ac.uk (Matthew Deeprose)
Date: Mon Dec 11 07:39:21 2023
Subject: [Athen] =?windows-1252?q?International_Ally_User_Group_=96_21_Dec?=
	=?windows-1252?q?ember_2023?=
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[With apologies for cross-posting]

Join us in the International Ally User Group on Thursday 21 December 2023 at 07:00 PST?/ 10:00 EST / 15:00 GMT / 16:00 CET / 18:00 TRT / 19:00 GST.

In our final session of the year, we?re joined by Dominique Cytryn who will discussing why neurodiversity is necessary in the workplace.

# Session synopsis
## Neurodiversity in the Workplace: Why It?s Necessary - Dominique Cytryn

How can Universities demonstrate they value neurodiversity? How should organisations prioritize inclusion into their workplace culture?
Dominique Cytryn is a Benefits Analyst who holds her Masters in Human Resources Management with a concentration in Talent Development. Her main focus of study was Neurodiversity, with her final thesis titled, ?The Future of Neurodiversity: How to Integrate Neurodiversity into Any Corporation.? Dominique is an autistic individual who manages the ADA accommodation process at her place of employment, and advocates for Neurodiversity and disability rights and inclusion.

Find sign-up and joining details on the Ally Community site: https://usergroup.ally.ac/content/perma?id=61559

Hope to see you there!

Matthew Deeprose
University of Southampton

From eslucio at umd.edu  Wed Dec 13 06:44:52 2023
From: eslucio at umd.edu (Emily Singer Lucio)
Date: Wed Dec 13 06:45:08 2023
Subject: [Athen] DOJ Activity
Message-ID: <CAAmoDWLoyCgbBWgu+qFoonFjqDdMvYUtAckHbeoXMwnmjTiVxw@mail.gmail.com>

FYI:

April 2024 is what the DOJ has officially identified as the timeframe for
releasing the ADA Title II web/mobile app accessibility final regs.:

www.reginfo.gov/public/do/...
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=202310&RIN=1190-AA79__;!!DZ3fjg!8g8cwymo1BfnB13nwcTLg7L3qRewtyfDIDShfQcOPE3JDE_w6rgjHRDsPw3UBmqgURNsZ6qTqH_prF1HEbvj$>

Whether they will hit that timeframe remains to be seen, but it sets up a
late spring / early summer period as the likely timing for the final rule
to come down.



Respectfully,

*Emily Singer Lucio She/Her/Hers*
ADA/504 Coordinator
University of Maryland, College Park
Office of Diversity & Inclusion
3123 Susquehanna Hall
4200 Leigh Road
College Park MD 20742
Tel:301 405-2841 | Fax:301 314-9992
Email: eslucio@umd.edu
Website: accessibility.umd.edu

?Just because a man lacks the use of his eyes doesn?t mean he lacks
vision.? ? Stevie Wonder
Source: WeCapable
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From hunziker at arizona.edu  Wed Dec 13 12:53:04 2023
From: hunziker at arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker))
Date: Wed Dec 13 12:53:09 2023
Subject: [Athen] Coding by Voice - R Coding
Message-ID: <BY5PR19MB36679D2346D20FFEEE1D24A0DC8DA@BY5PR19MB3667.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

I had a student reach out to ask about tips/ideas for using dictation for writing R-Code. He is using Dragon Professional version 15. I know that coding is possible but I'm wondering if anyone has any resources they have shared for computer programmers. I found Dragon's scripting language extensions<https://www.nuance.com/products/help/dragon/dragon-for-pc/scriptref/Content/scrptref/scripting_language_quickref.htm>, is there anything else we can share?

Thank you!

Dawn


[The University of Arizona block 'A' logo.]

Dawn A Hunziker
Associate Director
Disability Resource Center
THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA

Highland Commons, D207
1224 E. Lowell St. | Tucson, AZ 85721
Office: 520-626-9409 |
hunziker@arizona.edu<mailto:hunziker@arizona.edu>

accessibility.arizona.edu<https://accessibility.arizona.edu/>
drc.arizona.edu<https://drc.arizona.edu/>


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From athenpresident at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 12:59:31 2023
From: athenpresident at gmail.com (athenpresident@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 13 12:59:34 2023
Subject: [Athen] Call for Nominations - ATHEN Executive Council
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJqxRm_GyW4GeyubcP9WEprnh_eZ3iU-pfGikkUf1UJP6ObA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJGJqxRm_GyW4GeyubcP9WEprnh_eZ3iU-pfGikkUf1UJP6ObA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <014901da2e07$45466120$cfd32360$@gmail.com>

Hello ATHEN community,

 

We are now excepting nominations for secretary on the ATHEN executive board.

 

For a general overview of the job responsibilities, please see the following
web page under the heading "ARTICLE V--EXECUTIVE OFFICERS":

 

 <http://athenpro.org/node/3> http://athenpro.org/node/3

 

You are welcome to nominate yourself for these positions. If you are
nominating another individual, it is highly recommended that you check with
that person as to their availability. The secretary role is a member of the
ATHEN Executive Council and does require some participation. You would be
serving in this role as secretary for one year to fill the vacancy by the
resignation of the former secretary, that being RaLynn McGuire, who is now
ATHEN's vice president. We would like to thank RaLynn for her service as
secretary and wish her well in her new role as vice president of ATHEN.

 

Please submit all nominations via email to the Board at
election@athenpro.org <mailto:election@athenpro.org> .

 

Nominations will close on Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5PM (Pacific). Voting
will become available shortly thereafter.

 

Happy holidays to each and every one of you.

 

Thank you for your time.

 

Jeff Bishop

ATHEN President

 

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From foreigntype at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 13:18:29 2023
From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 13 13:19:10 2023
Subject: [Athen] Coding by Voice - R Coding
In-Reply-To: <BY5PR19MB36679D2346D20FFEEE1D24A0DC8DA@BY5PR19MB3667.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CALiy=ss7LP4SzBE_jYcdKxvW0CRnTpYJ8CjOX=nMoG8=TusYDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here are a couple of really good resources to use Dragon NaturallySpeaking
for computer coding. The tools suggested in this resource uses Caster.
R-code is included in the list of computer languages supported by this
application.

It will probably be necessary to do some work on creating macros for
strings. The Dragon NaturallySpeaking user manual (open-source & available
for download directly from Nuance) contains specific instructions on how to
create macros & save them.

Here is a resource from git hub on using Dragon NaturallySpeaking for
computer coding. Scroll down to the information about Caster.
https://github.com/dictation-toolbox/Caster


I have also included a link directly to the resource/how-to guide for
dictating code.
https://handsfreecoding.org/2015/03/14/dictating-code/

<https://handsfreecoding.org/2015/03/14/dictating-code/>
I have worked with a number of users both students & business
professionals on this technology. Something else that may be useful for
your student for hands-free keyboard use is the exceptionally useful add-on
from VoxAid. This is a sophisticated toolbar add-on to Dragon
NaturallySpeaking which enhances voice navigation. I personally use the
VoxAid AT Edition. Here is a link:
https://voxaid.co.uk/voxaid-at-edition-for-dsa-and-access-to-work/

Let me know if you have any questions or need more information. Glad to
help if I can.

Wink Harner
Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production
The Foreign Type

Portland OR
foreigntype@gmail.com

This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive
quirks, misrecognitions, or errata .


On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 12:53?PM Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) <
hunziker@arizona.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I had a student reach out to ask about tips/ideas for using dictation for
> writing R-Code. He is using Dragon Professional version 15. I know that
> coding is possible but I'm wondering if anyone has any resources they have
> shared for computer programmers. I found Dragon's scripting language
> extensions
> <https://www.nuance.com/products/help/dragon/dragon-for-pc/scriptref/Content/scrptref/scripting_language_quickref.htm>,
> is there anything else we can share?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Dawn
>
> [image: The University of Arizona block 'A' logo.]
>
> *Dawn A Hunziker*
> Associate Director
> Disability Resource Center
> THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA
>
> Highland Commons, D207
> 1224 E. Lowell St. | Tucson, AZ 85721
> Office: 520-626-9409 |
> *hunziker@arizona.edu <hunziker@arizona.edu>*
>
> *accessibility.arizona.edu <https://accessibility.arizona.edu/>*
> *drc.arizona.edu <https://drc.arizona.edu/>*
>
>
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From hkramer at ahead.org  Thu Dec 14 11:16:06 2023
From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer)
Date: Thu Dec 14 11:16:47 2023
Subject: [Athen] accessible lead tracking software/system
Message-ID: <CAN57xLdVCM2wry8zwdzm2g_rB8UBW4OTXvKA2e12NEFCweZ4EQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know of an accessible lead tracking software system? (used by
exhibitors to quickly scan contacts at conferences).
CVENT's is not accessible and I haven't heard of others that are.

-- 
Regards,
Howard

Howard Kramer
AHG Conference Director
Accessing Higher Ground
cell: 720-351-8668

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From athenpresident at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 07:26:25 2023
From: athenpresident at gmail.com (athenpresident@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Dec 31 07:26:29 2023
Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Call for Nominations - ATHEN Executive Council
In-Reply-To: <014901da2e07$45466120$cfd32360$@gmail.com>
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	<014901da2e07$45466120$cfd32360$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601da3bfd$b8370870$28a51950$@gmail.com>

Hello Everyone:

 

I hope everyone is enjoying their wonderful holiday season. From the ATHEN
leadership team, we wish each and every one of you a joyous and happy New
Year.

 

As a reminder we wanted to put this prior communication at the top of your
mailboxes for your consideration.

 

We continue to except nominations for secretary on the ATHEN executive
board.

 

For a general overview of the job responsibilities, please see the following
web page under the heading "ARTICLE V--EXECUTIVE OFFICERS":

 

 <http://athenpro.org/node/3> http://athenpro.org/node/3

 

You are welcome to nominate yourself for these positions. If you are
nominating another individual, it is highly recommended that you check with
that person as to their availability. The secretary role is a member of the
ATHEN Executive Council and does require some participation. You would be
serving in this role as secretary for one year to fill the vacancy by the
resignation of the former secretary, that being RaLynn McGuire, who is now
ATHEN's vice president. We would like to thank RaLynn for her service as
secretary and wish her well in her new role as vice president of ATHEN.

 

Please submit all nominations via email to the Board at
election@athenpro.org <mailto:election@athenpro.org> .

 

Nominations will close on Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5PM (Pacific). Voting
will become available shortly thereafter.

 

Thank you for your time.

 

Jeff Bishop

ATHEN President

 

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