[Athen] Needing advice on student with low vision

[Robert Spangler]

Even sighted people could benefit from learning how to do things only by
touch.  I always tell people they should learn how to cut onions with their
eyes closed; it would save a lot of tears.

Robert


On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu>
wrote:


> Well I cannot tell you how often I have cut myself on a Mandolin! I am

> also totally blind and use knives in my kitchen every day. When I first

> cooked for my sighted husband he freaked out watching how close the knife

> came to my fingers. But I’ve been chopping food since I was nine and it’s

> no big deal. I chop much faster and more efficiently than he does with

> sight, but then I love to cook and he does not.

>

> I think the important thing is that the student learn to cut without

> looking because low vision can be very unreliable. And he should cut simple

> stuff before doing anything complex. I say this from experience; when I had

> a cornea transplant at age 25, I got so wrapped up watching my knife, which

> I’d never been able to see before, that I sliced right through my hand.

> After that I closed my eyes when I chopped stuff, and today of course, with

> no vision, it doesn’t matter.

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Normajean.Brand

> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2023 7:10 AM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Needing advice on student with low vision

>

>

>

> Karen, this was one of the suggestions I had – use a safety cut-proof

> glove on the non-dominant hand regardless of mandoline or knife. You see

> fish mongers and oyster shuckers use them all the time.

>

>

>

> Thank you everyone for your thoughts and suggestions, especially those of

> you who are blind and use knives safely!

>

>

>

> Thank you everyone! Have a great weekend and stay safe.

>

>

>

> NJ

>

>

>

> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Karen Latimer

> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2023 8:00 AM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Needing advice on student with low vision

>

>

>

> Couldn't some of this be mitigated with just a cut-proof glove on the

> non-dominant hand?

>

>

>

> On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 5:47 AM Karen McCall <K4mccall at outlook.com> wrote:

>

> I use both knives and a mandolin. I went to a local restaurant cooking

> evening where I was taught how to use a knife correctly. I feel a lot safer

> now when cutting things versus using the mandolin. I use the mandolin with

> a “cut proof glove” which works well.

>

>

>

> Not sure if they are equal. Not sure how to cut a cabbage with a mandolin?

> Haven’t tried. As someone who uses both, they have different purposes in

> the kitchen.

>

>

>

> I think this would require a modification to the course. How do you cut

> meat with a mandolin? I would think you have to have knife skills for

> several thing.

>

>

>

> Cheers, Karen

>

>

>

> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler

> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:08 PM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Needing advice on student with low vision

>

>

>

> Hello, I don't know what a mandolin is, but I use knives in my kitchen all

> the time and I'm totally blind.  I'm always chopping up onions, peppers,

> whatever I want to put in my casseroles.  I've had several people observe

> me cooking before and they did seem nervous at first, but it ended up being

> a valuable learning experience for them.

>

>

>

> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:13 PM Normajean.Brand <normajean.brand at hccs.edu>

> wrote:

>

> Hello Hive!

>

> I have a student with low vision in culinary program wants to use a

> mandolin/slicer in lieu of the knife skills portion of the course as an

> accommodation. I’ve had 2 blind students (blind since early age) who

> successfully graduated from the culinary program without an accommodation

> for the knife skills portion of the courses, and 2 other low vision who

> were also successful. One you may have heard of, if you follow any cooking

> shows, is Christine Ha.

>

>

>

> I do understand that each person’s experience with their vision is

> different and dependent on many factors, but should I be worried about the

> risk factors of using a mandolin vs a knife? Should we think about the

> mandolin, which other students wouldn’t have access to, be an alteration of

> the essential course objectives?

>

>

>

> In a former career, I saw the aftermath of what a mandolin can do but also

> what damage knifework can do as well. Not pretty.

>

>

>

> Just needing some collective thoughts and guidance in advance.

>

>

>

> Thank you!

>

> NJ

>

>

>

>

>

> *NJ Brand, *(she/her/hers; Dyslexic, ADHD, PsA, Fibro, Migraine- Let’s

> destigmatize disabilities!)

>

> *BAAS-Psych, ATAC**, ADA Tech/Assistive Technology Technician, Center for

> Learning Innovation*

>

> ● Spring Branch Campus ● Suite RC12/13 ● T: 713.718.5604 ● F:713.718.5430

>

> ● HCCS

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Fhccs.edu*2F&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977732913971*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=mq7rXTGy3xEyfRmqExfUNtLroLx1CuSFPVEuz0fd0po*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTb0H5mc8A$>

>

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Fhccs.edu*2F&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977732913971*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=mq7rXTGy3xEyfRmqExfUNtLroLx1CuSFPVEuz0fd0po*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTb0H5mc8A$>

> ● Counseling & Ability Services

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.hccs.edu*2Fsupport-services*2Fcounseling*2F&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977732913971*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=SsnWw5ba9vSFsjGB*2BGZJ77XOdNYwX*2B*2BU3Qjv3EoO*2BrY*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTb-Gh3hTM$>

> ● AT at HCCS

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.hccs.edu*2Fsupport-services*2Fability-services*2Fassistive-technology*2F&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977733070180*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=nd7bA40mLAklToTySsz*2BAf7K5BB4GgFHFh4J8Khh6Vo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTbB0jlMjY$>

> ● Teaching & Learning Center for Innovation

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.hccs.edu*2Fdepartments*2Fdivision-of-instructional-services*2Fteaching--learning-innovation*2F&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977733070180*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=iDdWu2pcR3zp4kVI2*2Bzuxm8e9oEwCYFvaOlcpHT*2F8As*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTbAHgFqpk$>

>

> *Accessibility and Inclusion are shared institutional responsibilities.

> #ally #highered #inclusion*

>

> *[image: Houston Community College logo]*

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Fwww.hccs.edu*2F&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977733070180*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=08WMZnD53QEo7RCJFTqbgyTnUAyfji1Xl43wgNiBIG4*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTbvPrVjk4$>

>

>

>

> Confidential - Do Not Copy or Distribute:  This message may contain

> confidential information. It is intended only for the individuals(s) named

> herein. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this email

> in error) please notify the sender immediately. This message may also be

> legally privileged. If you are not the named addressee(s), you must delete

> this email immediately. Do not disseminate, distribute, or copy.

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> athen-list mailing list

> athen-list at mailman12.u.washington.edu

> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fathen-list&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977733070180*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=50OFjuxj8FNl2sf*2BCD2jQDOt7SbDux7kOiPUFomBZnU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTbUggFtn0$>

>

>

>

>

> --

>

> Robert Spangler

>

> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist

>

> Office of Learning Resources

>

> Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC)

>

> Roesch Library Room: 023

>

> Phone: 937-229-2066

>

> For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay)

>

> For office hours and further OLR information, please visit

> go.udayton.edu/olr

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Fgo.udayton.edu*2Folr&data=05*7C01*7C*7C679c9e066b454a52b4fc08db1603c71b*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa*7C1*7C0*7C638127977733070180*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=rtZPs6lxd7g1QP4oVIhbGGV7VXv*2BlxeVd2WxXtIpTI8*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTb_IExhgc$>

>

> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

>

> The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and

> intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the

> reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby

> notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or

> any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this

> email in error, please "reply" to the sender.

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> athen-list mailing list

> athen-list at mailman12.u.washington.edu

> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list__;!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTbFz6cf2o$>

>

>

>

>

> --

>

> *Karen Latimer, ATP*

>

> *Senior Assistive Technology Specialist*

>

> *Delaware Assistive Technology *

>

> *​*

>

> *Initiative  *

>

> *Center for Disabilities Studies*

>

> *461 Wyoming Rd. *

>

> *Newark, DE 19716*

>

> *302-831-7469*

>

> *www.udel.edu/cds

> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.udel.edu/cds__;!!A-B3JKCz!AAEbpb7VMB6b5-yXLYrcRL5ib2LMDzaVW3qa2SKZV1gvaqq8-uMIl985Ga6wiboJmLGoNReC8C9y-vzrK0SeIcdAYbTbNn2wMBc$>*

>

> [image: Image removed by sender.]

> _______________________________________________

> athen-list mailing list

> athen-list at mailman12.u.washington.edu

> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list

>



-- 
Robert Spangler
Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
Office of Learning Resources
Ryan C. Harris Learning Teaching Center (LTC)
Roesch Library Room: 023
Phone: 937-229-2066
For Deaf/Hard of Hearing, call 711 (Ohio Relay)
For office hours and further OLR information, please visit
go.udayton.edu/olr
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
The information contained in this electronic message is confidential and
intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the
reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or
any of its components is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
email in error, please "reply" to the sender.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20230308/f496864b/attachment.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: ~WRD0000.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 823 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20230308/f496864b/attachment.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image001.png
Type: image/png
Size: 8095 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20230308/f496864b/attachment.png>