From help at nationaldeafcenter.org Wed Nov 1 08:30:58 2023 From: help at nationaldeafcenter.org (National Deaf Center) Date: Wed Nov 1 08:36:01 2023 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Recommendations on devices to help with hearing with in a classroom setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Charlotte, Given that this is new territory for both you and the student, we recommend implementing classroom accommodations now while the student works out getting fitted with hearing aids. This would be a good opportunity to go back to the interactive process and have a meeting with the student to find out what are the barriers in the classroom. Since the student is having trouble hearing the instructor and the class content, we recommend considering note taking services and speech-to-text services to start with. It?s also worth noting that while there are various automatic speech recognition apps available, the technology is still not up to standards of effectiveness as compared to a person who is providing live real time captioning. Our article on the topic explains the reasoning here: Why ASR is Not the Answer Yet . It?s important to note that when the student obtains their hearing aids, it can be a process for them to get used to the new technology, and it may be necessary to implement the aforementioned accommodations long-term. Hearing aids do not restore hearing and there will still be gaps in accessing the classroom content and the accommodations will allow for a more equitable experience. We suggest getting information from the student?s audiologist or an audiologist in your area on what is a compatible assistive listening device/system (ALD/ALS) for this student. Audiologists can also provide product recommendations (we cannot give any due to grant stipulations) on what can be used for someone who is not currently fitted for a hearing aid. Ideally, it may be possible to purchase one system that can be used now and later when the student receives their hearing aids. This is a proactive approach to allow you to get a system set up while the student is able to be fitted by their audiologist. Another person on this thread mentioned using an amplifier connected to some earbuds as a solution, this could be a temporary solution while a more permanent one gets put in place. The state of California has an assistive technology lending library for students who can benefit from getting specific technology temporarily or long term. If they are a vocational rehabilitation recipient, we recommend they reach out to their case manager to inquire about funding for hearing aids and assistive technology. We offer a free online learning module on the topic of ALD/ALS that we recommend reviewing to familiarize yourself with the various systems and compatibility. Your student may benefit from this module as well. We also recommend connecting with colleagues on our Community Forums to share strategies for similar situations. The NDC Community Forums provide a dedicated online discussion space for postsecondary disability services professionals. To join the Community Forums, sign up here . You can also participate in our email listserv , which includes postsecondary disability services professionals, service providers, and deaf community organizations. Let us know if you have any questions or concerns. Best, *NDC | help team* help@nationaldeafcenter.org [image: https://www.nationaldeafcenter.org/] Subscribe to our newsletter ! NDC is a technical assistance and dissemination center funded by the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education Programs #H326D210002. 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Dietrich wrote: > If the student has an Android phone they could try the Google Sound > Amplifier app. > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.accessibility.soundamplifier&hl=en_US&gl=US > I don?t have any personal experience with it so I can?t vouch for it but it > may help. > > > > Looks like there?s at least one app on the Apple store for iPhone also. > Again, no personal experience with it but maybe worth a try. > https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sound-amplifier/id1615079093 > > > > I am not deaf but at one point in the past I had a bad head cold and my > ears got very plugged, and I had a few weeks where I was definitely hearing > impaired. I ended up borrowing one half of an FM amplification system we > had in the office, which just had a microphone attached to it, and I used a > pair of earbuds and just aimed the microphone in the general direction of > whoever was speaking. It worked very well for my temporary needs. The > specific model I used is probably no longer available ? this was around a > decade ago and it was already an older piece of equipment ? but something > similar might help this student and be easier to set up than a two-way FM > system. > > -------------------------- > > Andrea Dietrich > > She / Her / Hers > > Accommodation Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > > > Cornell University > > Cornell Health, Level 5 > > 110 Ho Plaza > > Ithaca, NY 14853 > > Email: adietrich@cornell.edu > > Phone: (607) 254-4545 > > Fax: (607) 255-1562 > > Web: sds.cornell.edu > > > > *Please note that confidentiality of non-encrypted e-mail communication > cannot be guaranteed. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify > the sender immediately and destroy this message. Disclosure of any > information contained in this message to someone other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Beach > *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2023 8:40 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT] Recommendations on devices to help with > hearing with in a classroom setting > > > > An FM listening system may be the best and quickest route to go. > > > > > > *Robert Lee Beach* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* ? Student Accessibility & Support > Services > > > > *Kansas City Kansas Community College* > > 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 > > O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Charlotte Schiff-Norton > *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2023 5:08 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [EXT][Athen] Recommendations on devices to help with hearing > with in a classroom setting > > > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > Hello All! > > > > I am in need of some help and I am hoping you all can help me. > > > > I'm working with a student who has severe hearing loss in both ears and > they have not yet been set up with hearing aids. > > They're having a very hard time hearing the professor and the conversation > around them. > > > > This is new territory for me and for the student as well. > > > > So I'm looking for any recommendations on devices or free apps that can > help the student within the classroom setting? > > > > Thank you in advance for all of your help and recommendations > > > > Best Regards, > > Charlotte > > > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. > Please forgive any quirks and misrecognitions. > > > > *Charlotte Norton* > > Accessibility & Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Student Disability Services > > Email: cgs5@stmarys-ca.edu > > Phone: (925) 631-5071 > > stmarys-ca.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aneesha.aslam at glean.co Wed Nov 1 08:48:44 2023 From: aneesha.aslam at glean.co (Aneesha Aslam) Date: Wed Nov 1 08:48:59 2023 Subject: [Athen] Accommodations in the Digital Age - how captions can be necessary for some, but boost learning for all Message-ID: Hello everyone, We have session two of our FREE webinar series called ?Accommodations in the Digital Age? coming up and wanted to share details with the group. During this installment, on Wednesday (November 8th) at 1pm ET , we?ll be diving into how captions can be necessary for some, but boost learning for all. We?ll explore how live captions during lectures allow students to actively listen and participate as well as how captions support more effective note taking, boost engagement, and increase accessibility. Over the course of the series, attendees will also be in with a chance to win some amazing prizes by entering our live quizzes. 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Here's a GitHub issue we have for this very thing: https://github.com/pressbooks/ideas/issues/198. Re: the plugins you requested specifically, we investigated ways to add TinyMCE plugins to Pressbooks last year, but were blocked because WordPress' Classic Editor uses an old version of TinyMCE and has shown no progress towards updating towards a compatible version (their attention appears to be pretty clearly dedicated towards their Gutenberg editing interface: https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/), which we haven't adopted at Pressbooks for accessibility reasons, ironically (https://pressbooks.org/blog/2018/11/06/pressbooks-and-gutenberg/). Unfortunately, this combination of facts we're blocked upstream on this one in particular. [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass] Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges ?Email: molsson@sbctc.edu ? Phone: 360-704-3922 The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and inventor of the World Wide Web [cid:650d60b6-39be-4bcc-bfdc-a546f54f4ca6] Book time to meet with me ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Joshua Hori Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Athen] My opinion on Bookshare [Sent from outside SBCTC] Hello Monica, TinyMCE has their own Accessibility Checker: https://www.tiny.cloud/tinymce/features/accessibility-checker/ Best, Joshua From: athen-list on behalf of Monica Olsson Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] My opinion on Bookshare Thanks for sharing, Josh! Am I correct in hearing that your team helped develop this tool for LibreText? That's cool! I wish that Pressbooks was able to figure out how to include an accessibility checker inside their platform, but as of my meeting today with a Product Manager, no such luck. It has to do with their company's decision to stay on Pressbooks TinyMCE instead of Gutenberg, ironically, for accessibility reasons. [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass] Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges ?Email: molsson@sbctc.edu ? Phone: 360-704-3922 The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and inventor of the World Wide Web [Image removed by sender.] Book time to meet with me ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Joshua Hori Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 5:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Athen] My opinion on Bookshare [Sent from outside SBCTC] I?ve been trying to address exactly this issue with Libretext OER textbooks and we?ve created a tool that?s similar to Pope Tech. https://blog.libretexts.org/2022/09/26/checking-in-with-libretexts-accessibility-checker/ If Benetech/Bookshare is interested, 2 of my student programmers are graduating this year. Best, ~ Joshua From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 4:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] My opinion on Bookshare To add an additional push to George's post, encouraging professors on our own campuses to search for and select the Born Accessible textbook titles is always a good idea. I would add, having been a professor for many years, few of us are permitted to pick our own textbooks. This adoption of curriculum comes from the department chairs, so let's aim some PR to university department chairs and those responsible for adopting textbooks and curricula. Another department worthy of our efforts in proselytizing Born Accessible curricula is course development and/or the faculty development departments. Recommendations from these departments also carry a lot of weight in this area. My thoughts. Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . [Image removed by sender.] Virus-free.www.avast.com On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 4:13?PM > wrote: Hello Deborah and All, I have a bit more to add to Deborah?s post. First, we at Benetech and at other organizations worldwide are advocating to publishers to make their titles Born accessible. In Europe, the European Accessibility Act (EAA) requires that all digital publications are to be fully accessible by June 2023. This is having a huge impact in the publishing industry, and because many higher education publishers sell throughout the world, we have reason to be optimistic. The Global Certified Accessible (GCA) service run by Benetech/Bookshare is having a huge impact today. The publishers who are GCA certified are producing terrific titles that are Born Accessible. All the GCA approved titles are also in the Bookshare collection, but right now they are hard to identify if they are GCA approved, or just the run-of-the-mill contributions from publishers. We will be exposing more metadata about this in the future. I will post here when available. All the titles that are GCA certified can also be found at the Benetech Accessible eBookstore found at: https://benetechaccessiblebooks.vitalsource.com/ Now for tips: If you find a title in the bookstore above, they are also in the Bookshare collection and will be top quality. Secondly, when identifying titles for your use, look for the latest copyright, because the publishers are improving their production workflow. Personally, my approach is to download three or four of the latest copyrighted titles in the EPUB 3 format in the area I am trying to learn. I then go through them and figure out which title is best. I delete the ones that are inferior. Finally, we have been advocating that professors look at the accessibility metadata in the VitalSource and RedShelf bookstores and pick titles for the courses that are accessible! We are working hard to transform the publishing industry! Publishers should be using the Accessibility Checker for EPUB (ACE by DAISY) and use the Simple Manual Accessibility Reporting Tool (SMART) to improve the accessibility of their titles. So, join us in advocating for Born Accessible titles from all publishers. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023, 1:58 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] My opinion on Bookshare I?ve been wanting to write this up for a while. There?s been conversation on the list about the errors in Bookshare books, and here?s my take: I became a Bookshare member in 2002; I was an early adopter and was downloading books a month after the organization got started. As a service that lets people share books they scanned, it worked great. Nobody expected perfection. We were happy to jus have the book to read. Books on their platform work great if you just want to read with speech or Braille. But if you expect good formatting, reliable page markup ? reliable any markup in fact, forget it. The problem isn?t necessarily with their books but with the promise that you?ll get the same experience as if you could read the printed book. You won?t! Last year I was struggling to learn SQL. I?m still not very good at it. This was mainly because the books had diagrams that weren?t included in either the PDFS I got from the publisher for my courses or the ones on Bookshare. The publisher can decide not to include images. They want you after all to buy the book. Or at least rent it. I ended up renting one of my textbooks so I could have all the images, even though I?m blind. I can always get someone to describe an image if it?s actually in the book. (Even so I never really grasped the difference between inner joins and outer joins.) Bookshare is great for fiction, literature and essay-style nonfiction. I like reading technical books in Braille and Bookshare makes that possible as well. It?s just not very useful for textbooks if you expect the printed textbook experience. The publisher can give Bookshare the online version of the book which is missing content. They can choose to exclude all or some of the visual content. Or the book is scanned and therefore the formatting is non-existent or inconsistent. 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tags placed in the correction location of the tag tree's reading order. Instead, they're scattered throughout the PDF's tag tree, sometimes 3 or 5 or even 15 pages away from their intended location. Suggestions: 1. We need to vote this up on Adobe's bug website, https://acrobat.uservoice.com/forums/590923-acrobat-for-windows-and-mac/sugg estions/47424254-pdf-maker-new-bug-puts-figure-tags-in-the-wrong So please vote (that's very critical to get it noticed by Adobe's powers) and add your comments to the discussion. Be sure to let Adobe know that you are required to make fully accessible PDFs and that this is NOT a minor bug. 2. In the meantime, use Microsoft's internal PDF export utility from Word. It places the
correctly in the tag tree. Our blog-tutorial has directions. Use Method C at https://www.pubcom.com/blog/tutorials/ms-office/export-pdf/index.shtml Thanks for helping make accessible documents better! - - - Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From K4mccall at outlook.com Thu Nov 2 05:30:10 2023 From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall) Date: Thu Nov 2 05:30:15 2023 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] New bug in Adobe PDF Maker In-Reply-To: <010501da0d53$1ee016e0$5ca044a0$@pubcom.com> References: <010501da0d53$1ee016e0$5ca044a0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: We saw this bug in Microsoft Office 2010. With that bug, all figures in the document/PDF from any Office application were thrown at the top of the tags tree. This is when I started adding captions to graphics. It took less time to artifact the graphics than it did trying to drag them around the tags tree. With the captions present, those using adaptive technology or who required a Braille copy of the PDF had access to the alt text/knew there was a graphic there. So the bug has reappeared but now scattering the graphics! Everything old is new again! Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: WebAIM-Forum On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 2:09 AM To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' ; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [WebAIM] New bug in Adobe PDF Maker A major bug was recently introduced into Adobe's PDF Maker plug-in for MS Office / Windows. With the latest update in September-October, graphics no longer have their
tags placed in the correction location of the tag tree's reading order. Instead, they're scattered throughout the PDF's tag tree, sometimes 3 or 5 or even 15 pages away from their intended location. Suggestions: 1. We need to vote this up on Adobe's bug website, https://acrobat.uservoice.com/forums/590923-acrobat-for-windows-and-mac/sugg estions/47424254-pdf-maker-new-bug-puts-figure-tags-in-the-wrong So please vote (that's very critical to get it noticed by Adobe's powers) and add your comments to the discussion. Be sure to let Adobe know that you are required to make fully accessible PDFs and that this is NOT a minor bug. 2. In the meantime, use Microsoft's internal PDF export utility from Word. It places the
correctly in the tag tree. Our blog-tutorial has directions. Use Method C at https://www.pubcom.com/blog/tutorials/ms-office/export-pdf/index.shtml Thanks for helping make accessible documents better! - - - Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | Chagnon@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at http://www.pubcom.com/ classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text _______________________________________________ To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ List archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Thu Nov 2 10:00:17 2023 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Romack, Justin) Date: Thu Nov 2 10:00:22 2023 Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Message-ID: Howdy y'all! I'm totally blind, so I'm trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias... But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I'm seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access... My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smniles at ucdavis.edu Thu Nov 2 10:07:20 2023 From: smniles at ucdavis.edu (Sebastian M Niles) Date: Thu Nov 2 10:07:27 2023 Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin This is a good question. It's generally preferred that math content not be included as images. If you image tag the math, it becomes harder for visually impaired students using screen readers to follow equations because they can't simply go back through parts of an equation (like with MathML). They'd have to listen to the entire image tag again. In addition, if you include math content in a PDF, it might not be formatted as math and screen readers may not read equations as equations. I've found it's best just to leave math content in a Word document. Regards Sebastian Niles, CPACC (he/him/his) Accessible Technology Assistant Student Disability Center University of California-Davis Davis, CA 95616 ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Romack, Justin Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 10:00 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Howdy y?all! I?m totally blind, so I?m trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias? But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I?m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access? My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DA0D7D.C245FA50] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Romack, Justin Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 11:00 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Howdy y'all! I'm totally blind, so I'm trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias... But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? 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If it's an SVG or specially-formatted text that's *marked* as an image then it might be technically accessible, but if it's a bitmap image of text then it probably fails WCAG 1.4.5 "Images of text" and 1.4.9 "Images of text (no exception)". 1.4.5: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/images-of-text.html 1.4.9: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/images-of-text-no-exception Cheers, -- DJ Chase Digital Accessibility Specialist, NECC They, Them, Theirs +1 978 556 3794 ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Romack, Justin Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 13:00 To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback You don't often get email from justinr@disability.tamu.edu. Learn why this is important ATTENTION: This email is from an external source. Do Not click on any links or open any attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. To report a suspicious email, please use the new phishing alert button in outlook Howdy y?all! I?m totally blind, so I?m trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias? But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I?m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access? My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Nov 2 10:36:11 2023 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Thu Nov 2 10:36:18 2023 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Math accessibility question - need feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would agree with you that alt text on an image of an equation is not accessible. The equation cannot be navigated to read element by element as is sometimes needed in math. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist - Student Accessibility & Support Services Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Romack, Justin Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Howdy y'all! I'm totally blind, so I'm trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias... But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I'm seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access... My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. 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So the drop-down would change from the current behavior to look something like this after: [Image displaying the current institution dropdown menu on the left with Bates Technical College first, and an updated dropdown on the right with a blank space firs.] Our concern was that having a blank space at the top of the list may not be the best option for accessibility, even if the dropdown was functioning as expected for screen readers. With this in mind, would it be recommended to have the top of the list read "Select a value" or something similar instead of blank? [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass]Vicki Walton Pronouns: they/them Web Accessibility Specialist/IT Quality Assurance Tester Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges vwalton@sbctc.edu* office: 360-704-4343* website: www.sbctc.edu Digital Equity: Push for Universal Design. Build more of that in. ~ Paul Grossman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Would someone pick one of the 34 colleges in our system or the grey box to indicate something else? Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Vicki Walton Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:38 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] Drop down menu/ Flyout menu advice needed CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! I have been asked a question that I am not sure how to answer. I am looking for advice. Thank you in advance. Just a bit about me. I am a functional accessibility tester. I am not a developer. Question: In the screenshot I included, because Bates Technical College is first alphabetically, it shows as the immediate option at the top of the list. It also has the gray engaged shading and dashed box around it. The enhancement request asks for a blank space at the beginning of the dropdown instead. So the drop-down would change from the current behavior to look something like this after: [Image displaying the current institution dropdown menu on the left with Bates Technical College first, and an updated dropdown on the right with a blank space firs.] Our concern was that having a blank space at the top of the list may not be the best option for accessibility, even if the dropdown was functioning as expected for screen readers. With this in mind, would it be recommended to have the top of the list read "Select a value" or something similar instead of blank? [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass]Vicki Walton Pronouns: they/them Web Accessibility Specialist/IT Quality Assurance Tester Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges vwalton@sbctc.edu* office: 360-704-4343* website: www.sbctc.edu Digital Equity: Push for Universal Design. 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It is in our Online Admission Application Portal (OAAP) platform. [Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass]Vicki Walton Pronouns: they/them Web Accessibility Specialist/IT Quality Assurance Tester Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges vwalton@sbctc.edu* office: 360-704-4343* website: www.sbctc.edu Digital Equity: Push for Universal Design. Build more of that in. ~ Paul Grossman From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hayman, Douglass Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:42 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Drop down menu/ Flyout menu advice needed [Sent from outside SBCTC] Vicki, What is the intent of the blank rectangle in the dropdown menu? Would someone pick one of the 34 colleges in our system or the grey box to indicate something else? Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Vicki Walton Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 3:38 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] Drop down menu/ Flyout menu advice needed CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! I have been asked a question that I am not sure how to answer. I am looking for advice. Thank you in advance. Just a bit about me. I am a functional accessibility tester. I am not a developer. Question: In the screenshot I included, because Bates Technical College is first alphabetically, it shows as the immediate option at the top of the list. It also has the gray engaged shading and dashed box around it. The enhancement request asks for a blank space at the beginning of the dropdown instead. 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Again, this practice may pass some technical accessibility checklists... but I've not encountered a blind/VI student yet who wants this method of presentation for math content. Thanks for jumping into the conversation - your input is always appreciated! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:15 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Oh my! Are people really doing that? I would never, and I mean never, do it that way! I provide Math content for students who are blind in MathML format, having made it using MS Word and MathType. My understanding (and I am not blind) is that ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Oh my! Are people really doing that? I would never, and I mean never, do it that way! I provide Math content for students who are blind in MathML format, having made it using MS Word and MathType. My understanding (and I am not blind) is that doing math in MathML means the student can access the full equation, move around within the equation, and it will be recognized by the screen reader properly. If I were just doing it by creating alt-text on images, who knows if it would be correct or not? Who would be the content expert who would write those descriptions? Ouch. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Health and Wellness Services T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DA0D88.AA0AAA70] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Romack, Justin Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 11:00 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Howdy y'all! I'm totally blind, so I'm trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias... But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I'm seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access... My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m totally blind, so I?m trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias? But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I?m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access? My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 14:37:30 2023 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Fri Nov 3 14:37:46 2023 Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Josh, To be fair, the student version of EquatIO is a TTS reader and meant for students with a reading disability. For alt text production work, it's possible to use the profesional educational version to convert image based math to mathML which can then be further manipulated to create accessible math for other types of access. There are better, more accurate, and less time consuming processes at our disposal! Wink Harner On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 1:57 PM Joshua Hori wrote: > You are correct J, and I agree with you wholeheartedly, which is the > reason we haven?t invest in EquatiO. It?s an alt tag embedded in an image > equation with no ability to navigate the equation. > > > > We offer math in DOC or HTML format for complete accessibility and PDF for > limited accessibility (only numbers are read aloud). > > > > Mathpix has made making math easy! They export math in multiple formats > quickly. > > > > Best, > > > > Joshua > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Romack, Justin > *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:01?AM > *To: *athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject: *[Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback > > Howdy y?all! > > > > I?m totally blind, so I?m trying to be cautious in approaching my question > here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not > inject my bias? > > > > But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with > equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text > are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations > provided in MathML? > > > > I?m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while > equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual > representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less > navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. > > > > Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or > equitable access? My opinion is no. > > > > Would love for you to chime in! > > > > Thanks, > > J > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Justin Romack | Assistant Director > > Disability Resources | Texas A&M University > > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > > > ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu Fri Nov 3 14:47:30 2023 From: Catherine.Stager at frontrange.edu (Stager, Catherine) Date: Fri Nov 3 14:47:35 2023 Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, for us Equatio is an input solution. I really appreciate how they have continued to improve Mathpix! I started using it about the same time as Equatio came out. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joshua Hori Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 2:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback EXTERNAL MAIL: athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu: Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact your college IT Help Desk if you have any questions You are correct J, and I agree with you wholeheartedly, which is the reason we haven?t invest in EquatiO. It?s an alt tag embedded in an image equation with no ability to navigate the equation. We offer math in DOC or HTML format for complete accessibility and PDF for limited accessibility (only numbers are read aloud). Mathpix has made making math easy! They export math in multiple formats quickly. Best, Joshua From: athen-list > on behalf of Romack, Justin > Date: Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:01?AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Howdy y?all! I?m totally blind, so I?m trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias? But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I?m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access? My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhori at ucdavis.edu Fri Nov 3 16:07:37 2023 From: jhori at ucdavis.edu (Joshua Hori) Date: Fri Nov 3 16:07:42 2023 Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Wink! Some of the smaller math equations would be fine in EquatiO, but most of our math is statistics, physics, linear algebra, and the like. Long complex equations which may be difficult to capture the whole equation the first time around in audio. After using Mathplayer, InftyEditor, and Wiris to edit math?I couldn?t bring myself to go backwards when it comes to STEM content. Mathpix sealed the deal. Besides, I want fun math accommodations like Calcflow. Joshua From: athen-list on behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com Date: Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:38?PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Josh, To be fair, the student version of EquatIO is a TTS reader and meant for students with a reading disability. For alt text production work, it's possible to use the profesional educational version to convert image based math to mathML which can then be further manipulated to create accessible math for other types of access. There are better, more accurate, and less time consuming processes at our disposal! Wink Harner On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 1:57 PM Joshua Hori > wrote: You are correct J, and I agree with you wholeheartedly, which is the reason we haven?t invest in EquatiO. It?s an alt tag embedded in an image equation with no ability to navigate the equation. We offer math in DOC or HTML format for complete accessibility and PDF for limited accessibility (only numbers are read aloud). Mathpix has made making math easy! They export math in multiple formats quickly. Best, Joshua From: athen-list > on behalf of Romack, Justin > Date: Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:01?AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback Howdy y?all! I?m totally blind, so I?m trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not inject my bias? But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML? I?m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access? My opinion is no. Would love for you to chime in! Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistant Director Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 17:43:34 2023 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype@gmail.com) Date: Fri Nov 3 17:43:49 2023 Subject: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You?re spot on with the ease of use and levels of use you can get of of MathPix. It?s a terrific program!! Wink Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:08 PM Joshua Hori wrote: > Hey Wink! > > > > Some of the smaller math equations would be fine in EquatiO, but most of > our math is statistics, physics, linear algebra, and the like. Long complex > equations which may be difficult to capture the whole equation the first > time around in audio. > > > > After using Mathplayer, InftyEditor, and Wiris to edit math?I couldn?t > bring myself to go backwards when it comes to STEM content. Mathpix sealed > the deal. > > > > Besides, I want fun math accommodations like Calcflow > . > > > > Joshua > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of foreigntype@gmail.com > > > *Date: *Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:38?PM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback > > Josh, > > > > To be fair, the student version of EquatIO is a TTS reader and meant for > students with a reading disability. For alt text production work, it's > possible to use the profesional educational version to convert image based > math to mathML which can then be further manipulated to create accessible > math for other types of access. There are better, more accurate, and less > time consuming processes at our disposal! > > > > Wink Harner > > > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 1:57 PM Joshua Hori wrote: > > You are correct J, and I agree with you wholeheartedly, which is the > reason we haven?t invest in EquatiO. It?s an alt tag embedded in an image > equation with no ability to navigate the equation. > > > > We offer math in DOC or HTML format for complete accessibility and PDF for > limited accessibility (only numbers are read aloud). > > > > Mathpix has made making math easy! They export math in multiple formats > quickly. > > > > Best, > > > > Joshua > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Romack, Justin > *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:01?AM > *To: *athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject: *[Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback > > Howdy y?all! > > > > I?m totally blind, so I?m trying to be cautious in approaching my question > here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to not > inject my bias? > > > > But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with > equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text > are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations > provided in MathML? > > > > I?m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while > equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual > representation of the content being displayed, I find this far less > navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML. > > > > Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or > equitable access? My opinion is no. > > > > Would love for you to chime in! > > > > Thanks, > > J > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Justin Romack | Assistant Director > > Disability Resources | Texas A&M University > > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > > > ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From M.Deeprose at soton.ac.uk Tue Nov 7 00:25:25 2023 From: M.Deeprose at soton.ac.uk (Matthew Deeprose) Date: Tue Nov 7 00:25:31 2023 Subject: [Athen] =?windows-1252?q?International_Ally_User_Group_=96_30_Nov?= =?windows-1252?q?ember_2023?= Message-ID: [With apologies for cross-posting] How can we create a university-wide culture of everyday accessibility? Join us in the International Ally User Group on Thursday 30 November 2023 at 07:00 PST?/ 10:00 EST / 15:00 GMT / 16:00 CET / 18:00 TRT / 19:00 GST. We?ll learn how Cornell University is embedding accessibility into all academic and administrative units? daily work. # Session synopsis ## Breaking Accessibility Out of the Silo Annie Heckel, Electronic Information Technology Accessibility Manager, Cornell University How did Cornell University shift a university accessibility program from a siloed one-team project to a university-wide culture of everyday accessibility? Annie Heckel, Electronic Information Technology Accessibility Manager, highlights how a combination of top-down and bottom-up accessibility advocacy has helped Cornell to progress from an organization with only scattered informal accessibility practices to their current organized but dispersed effort to embed accessibility into all academic and administrative units? daily work. Find sign-up and joining details on the Ally Community site: https://usergroup.ally.ac/content/perma?id=61213 Hope to see you there! Matthew Deeprose University of Southampton From blrichwine at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 10:01:13 2023 From: blrichwine at gmail.com (Brian Richwine) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:01:30 2023 Subject: [Athen] MathType Alternative? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: soiffer@alum.mit.edu; brichwin@iu.edu On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:44?PM Cervone, Gian Carlo (gcervone) < gcervone@brockport.edu> wrote: > Hello: > > Here is some information from the developer of MathJax: > > > Michael Cantino is correct, MathJax does not rely on MathType in any way > (and never did). MathJax will insert visually hidden MathML into the page > where screen readers like NVDA, JAWS, Orca, and VoiceOver can find it and > use that for voicing the mathematics, if they know how to do so. Some of > these tools use MathCAT to do that translation, but that is up to the > screen reader, and is unrelated to MathJax itself. > > > > MathJax can also produce its own translation of the math into a speech > string and add ARIA attributes that can be read directly by screen readers, > even those that don't have the ability to understand MathML. MathJax has > an equation explorer where users can "set into" an expression and have > smaller pieces of it read one at a time, so that a user can move around > within the expression to read it at their own pace and level of > granularity. There are several voicing possible (MathSpeak, Clearspeak, > and ChromeVox), and the speech has been localized into a dozen languages, > plus Nemeth Braille, which can be sent to a Braille device for interactive > reading. > > > > In versions 2 and 3 of MathJax, the interactive explorer and speech > generation must be turned on by the reader using the MathJax contextual > menu (available by right-click or command-click on any typeset expression), > but in the upcoming version 4 (now out in beta release), the assistive > tools will be turned on by default (and the old hidden MathML will no > longer be inserted, though you can turn that back on via the contextual > menu if you wish, or via the MathJax configuration that is part of the > page). The explorer in v4 is an improved version of the original, and > should interact with screen readers more fluidly (the next beta version > should include most of these improvements). > > > > The original question seemed to be about creating the equations. > MathJax does not provide an editor for creating mathematical expression (it > is only for display and voicing), but there are many such editors on line. > MathJax can accept expressions in any of three different forms: LaTeX, > MathML, or AsciiMath. Many mathematical editors can produce LaTeX or > MathML formats (e.g., the Word expression editor can output either form, if > I recall correctly), and you can past these into a web page and MathJax > will be able to render them. Nothing special needs to be done to make them > accessible -- MathJax will take care of that for you. LaTeX is a > human-readable form that many mathematicians already know, so you can > certainly use that without any special mathematical editor, as it is just > linear text that describes the math layout that MathJax will produce (e.g., > $$x = \frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}$$ should be easily enough entered into > the web page by a page author) The AasciiMath format is intended for hand > authoring as well, so doesn't need a special editor. MathML is not meant > for hand editing, but is used as an interchange format, so programs like > Word, Mathematica, and so on, can generate this format, or accept > expressions that are in this format. There are a number of online editors > that allow you type a document in Markdown syntax with embedded LaTeX or > AsciiMath, and that show a live preview of what you are typing. Google can > help you find these. > > > >> On Sep 11, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Michael Cantino > wrote: > >> > >> Warning: Message from non-Brockport Email Server. Treat message, links, > and attachments with extra care. > >> > >> Hi! > >> I just wanted to quickly chime in about MathJax and screen reader > compatibility. > >> > >> To my knowledge, MathJax does not require MathPlayer to make math > content accessible to a screen reader, BUT NVDA does require MathPlayer or > MathCAT. Basically, NVDA is not able to read math on its own, which is why > you need an add-on like MathCAT (which is quite good). JAWS will read > MathJax output without MathCAT/MathPlayer. VoiceOver will also read MathJax > output, but not as well as JAWS or NVDA w/ MathCAT, at least in my > experience. > >> > >> Michael Cantino (he/him) > >> BVIS Technology Professional Development Specialist > >> Northwest Regional Education Service District > >> (503)614-1339 > >> Check out the BVIS Tech website to find helpful resources! > >> _______________________________________________ > >> athen-list mailing list > >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > Best, > > -= G =- > > Gian Carlo Cervone > Web Manager > SUNY Brockport > gcervone@brockport.edu ? 585-395-5073 > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Michael Cantino > wrote: > > > > Warning: Message from non-Brockport Email Server. Treat message, links, > and attachments with extra care. > > > > Hi! > > I just wanted to quickly chime in about MathJax and screen reader > compatibility. > > > > To my knowledge, MathJax does not require MathPlayer to make math > content accessible to a screen reader, BUT NVDA does require MathPlayer or > MathCAT. Basically, NVDA is not able to read math on its own, which is why > you need an add-on like MathCAT (which is quite good). JAWS will read > MathJax output without MathCAT/MathPlayer. 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Crucially, it highlights the importance of mitigating disability discrimination in these technologies ? as does the Executive Order from November 6. Now, it is important to reflect on progress made as well as on areas of necessary improvement ? there is still much to be done to ensure that disability rights are centered in AI policy discussions. This panel will examine how AI can amplify discrimination and privacy concerns for disabled people in high-stakes contexts like the criminal legal system, benefits determinations, and education. We will also take stock of the progress in how federal policymakers are addressing AI and disability, and map out advocacy priorities for 2024. *Speakers:* - *Priscilla Mensah *, Ford Foundation - *Maitreya Shah *, Berkman-Klein Fellow - *Damien Patrick Williams *, UNC Charlotte - *Carol Tyson *, Disability Rights and Education Defense Fund - Moderator: *Ariana Aboulafia * , Center for Democracy & Technology Respectfully, *Emily Singer Lucio She/Her/Hers* ADA/504 Coordinator University of Maryland, College Park Office of Diversity & Inclusion 3123 Susquehanna Hall 4200 Leigh Road College Park MD 20742 Tel:301 405-2841 | Fax:301 314-9992 Email: eslucio@umd.edu Website: accessibility.umd.edu ?Just because a man lacks the use of his eyes doesn?t mean he lacks vision.? ? Stevie Wonder Source: WeCapable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dawn Dawn Hunziker ATHEN President Begin forwarded message: > From: ATHEN President > Date: November 5, 2023 at 4:47:28?PM MST > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: ATHEN Meetup - 11/9 at 5:30 > > ? > Hi all, > > If you are attending Accessing Higher Ground this week (yahoo, it's here!), the ATHEN group is planning an informal meetup at the conference hotel bar/restaurant, Prospect's Urban Kitchen and Bar. > > What: ATHEN Informal Gathering/Meetup > Appetizers will be available > When: Thursday November 9, 2023 > Time: 5:30 > Where: Prospect?s Urban Kitchen & Bar, Hilton Hotel in Denver > > We hope to see you there! > > Dawn > > Dawn Hunziker > ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sam Strickland Assistive Technology Accessibility Specialist Disability Resource Center Division of Student Life University of Florida 352.392.8565 ? accommodations@ufsa.ufl.edu disability.ufl.edu Pronouns: he/him From K4mccall at outlook.com Wed Nov 15 06:28:50 2023 From: K4mccall at outlook.com (Karen McCall) Date: Wed Nov 15 06:29:54 2023 Subject: [Athen] Participants for Research Study Message-ID: This request came from a member of the Technical Standard for Plain Language Committee for the Accessible Canada Act, of which I'm a member. Looking for participants who are 18+ years old, live in Canada, and have a print disability to participate in an interview via Zoom or email. This research is being conducted for a doctoral dissertation at University of Toronto. Contact Ellen Forget at ellen.michelle@mail.utoronto.ca if you are interested in participating. A print disability is any visual, physical, or cognitive disability that makes it difficult or impossible to read a print book. 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URL: From athenpresident at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 14:21:23 2023 From: athenpresident at gmail.com (ATHEN President) Date: Sat Nov 18 14:21:38 2023 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Annual Meeting 11/30, 2PM Eastern Message-ID: Hi all, Please join us for the ATHEN Annual Meeting - everyone is invited to join us! *ATHEN Annual Meeting* Please hold the date for the ATHEN Annual Meeting - All are welcome to attend the ATHEN Annual Meeting which will take place *THURSDAY, November 30 at 2:00 PM to 3:30 PM Eastern*. - Add the attached calendar item (.ics) to your calendar - it includes the Zoom meeting ID (waiting room will be enabled) and meeting details are included below my signature. - Real-Time Captioning will be provided. If you would like to request any additional disability-related accommodations, please contact me at athenpresident@gmail.com We look forward to seeing you! Have a very safe and happy Thanksgiving holiday. 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One item discussed to note is that by the start of 2024 The Federal OMB is expected to release expanded guidance to agencies to ensure all federal software, hardware and digital services (both public-facing and internal) meet Section 508 standards for accessibility. It is expected that the expanded digital accessibility guidance will build on their 9/22/2023 memo, ?digital-first public experience?. This initiative is separate from DOJ and HHS rule making, a response to data collected by GSA and OMB. However, the memo and the guidance when it is released provide some insight and context on how the pending regulations may roll out and be enforced. Clare Martorana, Federal Chief Information Officer, emphasized the importance of building accessibility into digital services from the beginning to cultivate a culture of inclusion and respect. She added that ?You can?t manage what you can?t measure. 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The session takes place on Tuesday, December 5th at 12pm ET , would be great if you could give your thoughts during the discussion. *We?ll be covering key points including: * - The *rise of artificial intelligence in education* - How AI can help build a *scaffolded learning process* and assist learners to improve learning outcomes - Finding the right balance when *leveraging AI in a learning environment* - The *future of AI in education* and how it affects disability services Let me know if you have any questions and you can sign up for the session here . Many thanks, Aneesha. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorilane at illinois.edu Wed Nov 29 08:14:50 2023 From: lorilane at illinois.edu (Lane, Lori Anne) Date: Wed Nov 29 08:14:55 2023 Subject: [Athen] The role of AI in education In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will there be captioning? Thanks! From: athen-list On Behalf Of Aneesha Aslam Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 9:52 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] The role of AI in education Hello everyone, With Artificial Intelligence being increasingly used in education, from personalized tutoring to summarizing academic papers, we want to discuss how disability services can help learners find a balance between AI assistance to enhance learning whilst still encouraging independent learning. The session takes place on Tuesday, December 5th at 12pm ET, would be great if you could give your thoughts during the discussion. We?ll be covering key points including: * The rise of artificial intelligence in education * How AI can help build a scaffolded learning process and assist learners to improve learning outcomes * Finding the right balance when leveraging AI in a learning environment * The future of AI in education and how it affects disability services Let me know if you have any questions and you can sign up for the session here. Many thanks, Aneesha. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hunziker at arizona.edu Wed Nov 29 16:33:53 2023 From: hunziker at arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Wed Nov 29 16:34:00 2023 Subject: [Athen] Reminder ATHEN Annual Meeting 11/30, 2PM Eastern In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, A reminder about the Annual ATHEN Meeting that is happening tomorrow (Thursday) at 2:00 PM Eastern. Everyone is welcome! Dawn Dawn Hunziker ATHEN President Associate Director | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | accessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of ATHEN President Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 3:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT][Athen] ATHEN Annual Meeting 11/30, 2PM Eastern External Email Hi all, Please join us for the ATHEN Annual Meeting - everyone is invited to join us! ATHEN Annual Meeting Please hold the date for the ATHEN Annual Meeting * All are welcome to attend the ATHEN Annual Meeting which will take place THURSDAY, November 30 at 2:00 PM to 3:30 PM Eastern. * Add the attached calendar item (.ics) to your calendar - it includes the Zoom meeting ID (waiting room will be enabled) and meeting details are included below my signature. * Real-Time Captioning will be provided. If you would like to request any additional disability-related accommodations, please contact me at athenpresident@gmail.com We look forward to seeing you! Have a very safe and happy Thanksgiving holiday. Dawn Dawn Hunziker ATHEN President ATHEN President is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. 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ATHEN Executive Council: - President: Jeff Bishop, IT Accessibility Consultant, Disability Resource Center, University of Arizona. - Vice President: RaLynn McGuire, Lead Accessibility/UDL Specialist in the Office of Teaching, Learning, & Digital Transformation, University of Texas at San Antonio - Treasurer: Justin Romack, Assistant Director, Disability Resources, Texas A&M. - Member-at-Large: Joshua Hori, Accessible Technology Coordinator at the University of California, Davis. - The Secretary position is now vacant so watch for a call for nominations for this Board position in January! - A big thank you to out-going Board members: Dawn Hunziker, Krista Greear Wright, David Schwarte and Wink Harner. We couldn't have gotten where we have without you!! ATHEN STEM Accessibility Virtual Conference We are pausing on the STEM Accessibility Virtual Conference that we had initially planned for February 2024. ATHEN is still very committed to holding this conference later in the year. 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