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class=671112414-22092005>Sure, and I am going to send this to the group, with
the staff churn rates being what they are in DS this is good information, at
least I think so anyway. Our work is fairly well known within the
postsecondary AT community, and the AT vendors who tend not to like it because
it is a "native accessibility" effort. But let me get back to your
question. If you can not tell by now I am very passionate about this work,
because I see it changing lives!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=671112414-22092005>We, is the Technology Access Program at Oregon State
University. It is me, a couple of full time staff members, a few of
graduate assistants, and more student workers than I care to get into. Our
work for the last ten years has been fully funded by Oregon State, and they have
assured me we will continue to be funded. The actual conversion
work is done by Alternative Format Production Services, a program area of
TAP. We have some collaborative partners in faculty members, folks with
disabilities who have been students at OSU, and any of you who want to
come play in the pool with us. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=671112414-22092005>The oversight of the
WinTriangle project is supervised by a GA, and is part of our R&D program,
which is also doing work on captioning systems, Daisy book production solutions,
and other geeky things. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=671112414-22092005>WinTriangle is a self-voicing mathematical word
processor that includes all of the symbology necessary to access math, hard
sciences you get the idea. It is self-voicing through SAPI. Actually
there is an open source OCR product called INFTY that we are exploring currently
that greatly reduces the time necessary to convert symbolic content. It
looks like it is going to cut the process down. Three years ago it
was taking us around 1000 labor hours to do the conversion on an advanced math
or physics text, this quarter we are projecting between 100 -
200.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=671112414-22092005>Is it perfect, does it eliminate the need to hand edit
the content, no but it sure makes it a lot faster. The student does have
to learn DotsPlus, if they intend to use Braille access, but this is a
relatively simple process of 10-15 hours for a competent Braille user.
Otherwise they will use it as an audio product, and then it only take 2-3 hours
to get the hand of it, and what quirks are left since it is an open source beta
kind of software. Want to learn more go to the website, do some reading,
play with the software and then ask more questions.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=671112414-22092005>Ron</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Cooke, AnneMarie [mailto:ACooke@rfbd.org]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:22 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Stewart,
Ron<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [DSSHE-L] software for physics<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=075361913-22092005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We;;.
Ron,Would guess thethis product is not widely known! I have no idea what the
cost is or what is involved. Is it a screen reader that can read math and
science notation accurately? Wasn't sure. Last I knew was TV Raman's product
years ago. Scanning certainly doesn't work for this stuff? So tell me
more!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=075361913-22092005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks!<BR>Annemarie</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Stewart, Ron
[mailto:ron.stewart@oregonstate.edu]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 22,
2005 9:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Cooke, AnneMarie<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DSSHE-L]
software for physics<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Anne Marie,<BR><BR>I am sorry I must disagree we have been
doing it in full production capacity for several years.<BR><BR>Is your
conclusion based on the costs involved? Or the fact that it can not be done
with the commercial products?<BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education
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<DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU><BR>Sent: Thu Sep 22 05:32:05
2005<BR>Subject: Re: [DSSHE-L] software for physics<BR><BR>Zary, the short
answer to your original question is : no.<BR>Technology just isn't there yet;
it's not far away but not there--- yet. Int his case, low-tech humans or books
recorded by them seem to be the most available solution.<BR>Annemarie
Cooke<BR>Sr. External Relations Officer<BR>RFB&D Learning Through
Listening<BR>20 Roszel Road<BR>Princeton, NJ 08540<BR>(609)
520-8079<BR>acooke@rfbd.org<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Disabled Student Services in Higher Education<BR>[<A
href="mailto:DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU">mailto:DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU</A>]On
Behalf Of Zary Amirhosseini<BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 6:10
PM<BR>To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU<BR>Subject: Re: software for
physics<BR><BR><BR>Yes I use humans too but I was hoping in 2005 we think a
bit outside the<BR>box and consider technology as a possibility.
Of course humans are<BR>always a solid and reliable option but my
question was if there was a<BR>technology available. Someone suggested
MIT and I will contact them.<BR>So far that was the most constructive
suggestion!<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Zary<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education<BR>[<A
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On Behalf Of Awoniyi, Bea<BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 6:02
PM<BR>To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU<BR>Subject: Re: software for
physics<BR><BR>The last time I need a technology and was in a bind, I used
human and it<BR>worked. <BR><BR>Bea<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education<BR>[<A
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On Behalf Of Zary Amirhosseini<BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:44
PM<BR>To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU<BR>Subject: software for
physics<BR><BR>Does anyone know of any software programs for blind students
that would<BR>read
physics?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Zary<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Zary
Amirhosseini<BR><BR>Assistant Director<BR><BR>Ross Center for Disability
Services<BR><BR>100 Morrissey Boulevard<BR><BR>Boston, MA
02125-3393<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tel: (617) 287-7430<BR><BR>Fax: (617)
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