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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007>Hi Terri,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007>My understanding is that PostScript is a programming
language for describing how a page should "look". PDF, for instance, uses
a subset of the PostScript language for fonts, etc. For the most part, PDF
has become the manner to display print information as opposed to
PS.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007>I am not aware of any assistive tech that "reads"
PostScript directly. You could use something like Adobe Illustrator or
Photoshop to open a PS file, but the result would be the visual rendering of
what the PS code says to "do".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007>In terms of processing content for a student, I think
you have a bit more flexibility with today's PDF technology than with
PostScript, but I am going to have to defer to others for their thoughts
and opinions as I do not have much experience with PostScript
itself.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=397414900-24012007>Take care,<BR>Sean</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Terri Hedgpeth [mailto:terrih@asu.edu]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
skeegan@htctu.net; Access Technologists in Higher Education
Network<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Athen] postscript Accessibility
questions<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sean and
all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What about a post
script file? What tool(s) can a student who is blind use to convert a post
script file into a readable form and maintain the
format?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Terri<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Dr. Terri
Hedgpeth<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Academic Research
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">CUbiC.asu.edu<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Sean Keegan<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:04
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Access Technologists in
Higher Education Network'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility
questions</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
Kathy,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the
information. I wanted to distinguish between following a "standard" vs.
making the PDF accessible to AT. I can see your challenge not having
access to the original documents that may have begun as MS Word or other word
processing files and then attempting to make everything accessible via Adobe
Acrobat.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can add/remove tags
to a PDF document without using the Accessibility
Checker.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Open the untagged PDF
document.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Use the Add Tags to
Document option (under Advanced > Accessibility)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If there are already
tags for the document, then you will just need to check how the content is
organized. I generally do this with the TouchUp Reading Order
tool.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Turn on the TouchUp
Reading Order tool (under Advanced >
Accessibility)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Visually scan the
document for any major overlaps in content of text/equations on the page.
You can rezone the content using the reading order palette for content vs.
equations/images/etc.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If there are equations,
these may be initially represented as "Table" or "Figure - No alternative text
exists" after adding tags to the PDF document. You can reclassify
equations as "Formulas" and then go back and add alternative text (or leave them
classified as Figures and add the appropriate text
description).</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can also create
tags manually (well, semi-manually) by using the TouchUp Reading Order tool on a
page-by-page basis. Content that you zone and then set using the reading
order palette automatically gets a tag created in the Tags
tab.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hope this helps.
Let me know if you have tried this and it is not
working.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Take
care,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sean</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Kathleen
Cahill [mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:13
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> skeegan@htctu.net;
'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Athen] PDF Accessibility
questions</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Hi
Shawn;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Let me answer your questions below
(my answers are in dark purple -- hope it comes through): </SPAN></FONT>
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [<A
href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org">mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org</A>]
On Behalf Of Sean Keegan<BR>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM<BR>To:
'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'<BR>Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF
Accessibility questions</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Hi
Kathy,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> I am working with an MIT
department that uses a lot of PDF files and am</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">trying to
help</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> them get the "cleanest" PDF
files possible.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Not sure if I quite understand
what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">that is "tagged" according to a
certain specification or do you mean a PDF</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">document that works with assistive
computer technology (or a bit of both)?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">My
answer: </SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I mean a PDF
document that is tagged in Acrobat</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana
color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">so it will work
better with AT. </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> Sometimes, after running the
accessibility check, I get an error message</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">that
"Acrobat</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> was unable to make this
document accessible because it could not save page</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">structure</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> (incorrect structure was
found in PDF file). Could not save changes."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Have you
ever</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> received a similar message
and what did you do?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I am assuming that you are
referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The short answer is that I tend to
avoid using the accessibility checker -</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">yes, it has gotten better, but it
still gives a lot of "You may need to</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">check this" type responses.
Also, you can get messages like "Provide</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Missing Unicode Encodings" and
this cannot be fixed from within AA - not</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">very
helpful.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I prefer to save the PDF document
as a Text (Accessible) file and then open</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">the file in a text editor/word
processor. I spot check the document as to</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">where I have concerns with the
reading order of the content. Content that a</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">screen-reader may interpret will
be identified in brackets "[ ]".</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathy's
answer:</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">That probably
won't work very well if I can't use the accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat
7.0.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> Many of these
documents have math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will
not read the math and science notation but if</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana
color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I’m trying to also
apply some structure to the PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat
unless</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I use the
accessibility checker. I don't have access to the source documents for
these PDFs.</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> 2. After running an
accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"there are x > number of words
with characters that do not map to Unicode."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">....Any
possible</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> solutions or suggestions on
this?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">How are you creating your PDF
documents? If I begin in something like MS</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF,
I do not seem to encounter this issue. </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathy's
answer: </SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Some of the
documents were probably created in Matlab or Latex, if they have math notation
in them. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I suppose I am asking: What
is your workflow for PDF document creation for</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">both text and math-based
documents?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathy's
answer: </SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Many of the
text-based documents were created in MS Word but probably not with
structure.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> 3. I've also gotten
error messages that say, "x number of elements were</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">not
contained</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> within the structure
tree." Say what?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Wow - very helpful message.
I have gotten this once before where some page</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">content could not be added to the
tagged structure. It was not text-based,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">so that may have been the problem
(AA could not identify what it was). </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathy's
comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the document
that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with.</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> 4. I've also run OCR on
a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">with
some</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> math notation. When I
have run an accessibility check on the allegedly</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">OCR'ed
file,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">> the report says there are no
problems, which is hardly the case when there</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">is
math</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">>
notation.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Hmmm - I am not sure I
understand. Was there text on the page? Did
that</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">content get OCR'ed correctly or
did nothing get recognized? Do you have an</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">example I can play
with?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathy's
comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after Paper
Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics of an
image-only file.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> I
will email you the file separately to look at.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It sounds as if you are attempting
to create PDF documents containing math</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">notation AND have these documents
be accessible. I am not aware of any</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">assistive computer technologies
that can read native math equations within a</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">PDF document. I know that
Design Science was interested in doing some work</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">on this, but I do not know how far
they have progressed.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathy's
comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I
am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as
possible.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> The departments
that create these</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">documents</SPAN></FONT>
<FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">are going to need
to create descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it
meaningful, or find some other format. We are trying to push the
departments to consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department
level.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Verdana color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR><BR>Thank you
for your help,<BR>Kathy</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Take
care,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sean</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sean
Keegan</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Web Accessibility
Instructor</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">High</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName><FONT
face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Tech</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face=Verdana
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> Training Unit of the
California Community Colleges </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">-----Original
Message-----</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org
[<A
href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org">mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org</A>]
On</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Behalf Of Kathleen
Cahill</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007
8:32 AM</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">To: 'Access Technologists in
Higher Education Network'</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility
questions</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Dear
Colleagues;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I am working with an MIT
department that uses a lot of PDF files and am</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">trying to help them get the
"cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love
to</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">get some feedback from those of
you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">accessibility checkers and do lots
of tagging and alterations of document</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">structure.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I have some questions regarding
files that originate in Microsoft Office or</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Latex format (full of math
notation):</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">1. Sometimes, after running
the accessibility check, I get an error message</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">that "Acrobat was unable to make
this document accessible because it could</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">not save page structure (incorrect
structure was found in PDF file). Could</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">not save changes." Have you
ever received a similar message and what did</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">you
do?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">2. After running an
accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"there are x number of words with
characters that do not map to Unicode."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Acrobat suggests the user use a
different font, recreate the PDF with a</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">newer version of Distiller or use
the latest Adobe Post Script driver to</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">create a Post Script file, then a
new PDF file. Usually, this error message</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">come through on a document with
lots of math notation. Any possible</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">solutions or suggestions on
this?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">3. I've also gotten error
messages that say, "x number of elements were not</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">contained within the structure
tree." Say what?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">4. I've also run OCR on a
PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">with some math notation.
When I have run an accessibility check on the</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">allegedly OCR'ed file, the report
says there are no problems, which is</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">hardly the case when there is math
notation.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">If you have suggestions for me to
try or know of any folks at Adobe I can</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">contact, I'd greatly appreciate
it.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Thank
you,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathy
Cahill</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">**************************</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kathleen
Cahill</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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