<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:p="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:powerpoint" xmlns:a="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:access" xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" xmlns:s="uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882" xmlns:rs="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset" xmlns:z="#RowsetSchema" xmlns:b="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:publisher" xmlns:ss="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:spreadsheet" xmlns:c="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:component:spreadsheet" xmlns:oa="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:activation" xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:q="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:x2="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/excel/2003/xml" xmlns:ois="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/ois/" xmlns:dir="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/directory/" xmlns:ds="http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#" xmlns:dsp="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/dsp" xmlns:udc="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:sps="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:udcxf="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/xmlfile" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"
xmlns:ns0="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/workflow/"
xmlns:ns1="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006"
xmlns:ns2="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"
xmlns:ns3="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships"
xmlns:ns4="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/types"
xmlns:ns5="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/messages">
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style>
<![endif]--><o:SmartTagType
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="place"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="PersonName"/>
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
</style>
<![endif]-->
<style>
<!--a:link
{mso-style-priority:99;}
span.MSOHYPERLINK
{mso-style-priority:99;}
a:visited
{mso-style-priority:99;}
span.MSOHYPERLINKFOLLOWED
{mso-style-priority:99;}
pre
{mso-style-priority:99;}
tt
{mso-style-priority:99;}
span.HTMLPREFORMATTEDCHAR
{mso-style-priority:99;}
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
pre
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";}
tt
{font-family:"Courier New";}
span.HTMLPreformattedChar
{font-family:Consolas;}
span.EmailStyle21
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:Arial;
color:windowtext;}
span.EmailStyle22
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle23
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The ADAAG regulations (as per the link in dsrisdall’s
e-mail) do say that any hotel with more than 50 rooms has to have a room with a
roll in shower. 1 additional sleeping room with a roll in shower is required for
each multiple of 100 rooms in the hotel.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Or am I misreading the guidelines?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-Howard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Howard Kramer</span></font></st1:PersonName><br>
<font size=2 color=blue><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Assistive
Technology Lab Coordinator<br>
AT Conference Coordinator<br>
Disability Services<br>
CU-Boulder, 107 UCB<br>
Boulder, Co 80309<br>
303-492-8672</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<!--EndFragment -->
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> athen-bounces@athenpro.org
[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Ron Stewart<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 18, 2008
3:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">'Access
Technologists in Higher Education Network'</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Athen] Hotel,
accessible sleeping rooms & the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>That said I do not
believe there is a requirement for roll-in showers in the guidelines.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Ron <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>dsrisdall@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 18, 2008
5:27 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> athen@athenpro.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Athen] Hotel,
accessible sleeping rooms & the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Howard,<br>
<br>
There is no such provision as a grandfather clause in the current <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City> regulations. Public
accommodations operating in older buildings (built prior to the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City>) that have not been
modified or altered have a requirement to remove architectural barriers to
people with disabilities. Post <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City>
alterations/ modifications must conform with the ADA Accessibility Guidelines
(ADAAG). <br>
<br>
The section of ADAAG that applies to hotels states that hotels and inns with 50
or more sleeping rooms or suites are to provide accessible rooms with roll- in
shower conforming to the requirements at <a
href="http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html">http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal//Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html</a>.<br>
<br>
This is the standard to strive for in new construction however in older
buildings it is the ideal level to attain.<br>
<br>
There is a very good resource for assisting with both Federal and state <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City> compliance (for those
states with more restrictive laws). The Network of ADA Centers can be
contacted at (800) 949-4232.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Howard Kramer</st1:PersonName> <Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">'Access Technologists in Higher Education
Network'</st1:PersonName> <athen@athenpro.org><br>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:29 pm<br>
Subject: [Athen] Hotel, accessible sleeping rooms & the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div id="AOLMsgPart_3_2444f6df-05ce-4a81-860a-053a24f1eead">
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hello All:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Here’s another question and it concerns the Millennium
hotel which we use for Accessing Higher Ground conference. We’ve been
looking over their accessible sleeping rooms. None of their rooms have roll-in
showers, only grab bars and shower seats. According to the hotel, they’re
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City> compliant
because they were grandfathered on the basis of the building being more than 50
years old. I’ll check some other <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADA</st1:place></st1:City>
resources on this but thought some of you might be knowledgeable about this. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Is anyone aware of this “grandfather”
stipulation? It would seem that not having any roll-in shower rooms would be a
significant barrier. Any feedback would be appreciated.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Howard</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Howard Kramer</span></font></st1:PersonName><br>
<font size=2 color=blue><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Assistive
Technology Lab Coordinator<br>
AT Conference Coordinator<br>
Disability Services<br>
CU-Boulder, 107 UCB<br>
Boulder, Co 80309<br>
303-492-8672</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="AOLMsgPart_4_2444f6df-05ce-4a81-860a-053a24f1eead"><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Athen mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:Athen@athenpro.org">Athen@athenpro.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a
href="http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org" target="_blank">http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></pre></div>
<div>
<div style='margin-top:7.5pt'>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</span></font></div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>More new features than ever. Check out the new <a
href="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003"
target="_blank">AOL Mail</a>!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>