<WBR>The 2004 ADA/ABA guidelines developed by the Access Board makes that distinction (the prevision of accessible bathtubs or <A name=marker-1023041></A>showers) but this document is not enforceable yet. DOJ has not made an announcement for their NPRM.<br>
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The current ADA regulations state table 9.1.2 is a requirement.<br>
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From: Ron Stewart <ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com><br>
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' <athen@athenpro.org><br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As I understand the </SPAN><ACRONYM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #000088; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">ADAAG</SPAN></ACRONYM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #000088; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">/<ACRONYM>ABA</ACRONYM> Guidelines they allow for the requirements to be met with one of three options. The transfer shower, the roll-in shower and alternate roll in shower. </SPAN></div>
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<B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 18, 2008 5:49 PM<br>
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From: Ron Stewart <<A href="mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com">ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com</A>><br>
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' <<A href="mailto:athen@athenpro.org">athen@athenpro.org</A>><br>
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<B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 18, 2008 5:27 PM<br>
<B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:athen@athenpro.org">athen@athenpro.org</A><br>
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There is no such provision as a grandfather clause in the current ADA regulations. Public accommodations operating in older buildings (built prior to the ADA) that have not been modified or altered have a requirement to remove architectural barriers to people with disabilities. Post ADA alterations/ modifications must conform with the ADA Accessibility Guidelines (ADAAG). <br>
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The section of ADAAG that applies to hotels states that hotels and inns with 50 or more sleeping rooms or suites are to provide accessible rooms with roll- in shower conforming to the requirements at <A href="http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html" target=_blank>http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal//Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html</A>.<br>
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This is the standard to strive for in new construction however in older buildings it is the ideal level to attain.<br>
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There is a very good resource for assisting with both Federal and state ADA compliance (for those states with more restrictive laws). The Network of ADA Centers can be contacted at (800) 949-4232.<br>
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From: Howard Kramer <<A href="mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU">Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU</A>><br>
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' <<A href="mailto:athen@athenpro.org">athen@athenpro.org</A>><br>
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