<WBR>See the table in ADAAG at section 9.1.2 at <A href="http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html">http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html</A><br>
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From: Ron Stewart <ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com><br>
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' <athen@athenpro.org><br>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Hotel, accessible sleeping rooms & the ADA<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org">athen-bounces@athenpro.org</A> [<A href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org?">mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="mailto:dsrisdall@aol.com">dsrisdall@aol.com</A><br>
<B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 18, 2008 5:27 PM<br>
<B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:athen@athenpro.org">athen@athenpro.org</A><br>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [Athen] Hotel, accessible sleeping rooms & the ADA</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Howard,<br>
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There is no such provision as a grandfather clause in the current ADA regulations. Public accommodations operating in older buildings (built prior to the ADA) that have not been modified or altered have a requirement to remove architectural barriers to people with disabilities. Post ADA alterations/ modifications must conform with the ADA Accessibility Guidelines (ADAAG). <br>
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The section of ADAAG that applies to hotels states that hotels and inns with 50 or more sleeping rooms or suites are to provide accessible rooms with roll- in shower conforming to the requirements at <A href="http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html" target=_blank>http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal//Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html</A>.<br>
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This is the standard to strive for in new construction however in older buildings it is the ideal level to attain.<br>
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There is a very good resource for assisting with both Federal and state ADA compliance (for those states with more restrictive laws). The Network of ADA Centers can be contacted at (800) 949-4232.<br>
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From: Howard Kramer <<A href="mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU">Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU</A>><br>
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' <<A href="mailto:athen@athenpro.org">athen@athenpro.org</A>><br>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:29 pm<br>
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