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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As I understand the </span><acronym><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000088'>ADAAG</span></acronym><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000088'>/<acronym>ABA</acronym>
Guidelines they allow for the requirements to be met with one of three options.
The transfer shower, the roll-in shower and alternate roll in shower. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#000088'>Ron</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
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athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>dsrisdall@aol.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 18, 2008 5:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> athen@athenpro.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Hotel, accessible sleeping rooms & the ADA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>See the table in ADAAG at
section 9.1.2 at <a
href="http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html">http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html</a><br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ron Stewart <ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com><br>
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
<athen@athenpro.org><br>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 2:30 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Hotel, accessible sleeping rooms & the ADA<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That said I do not believe there is a requirement for roll-in
showers in the guidelines.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Ron </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org">athen-bounces@athenpro.org</a> [<a
href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org?">mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:dsrisdall@aol.com">dsrisdall@aol.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 18, 2008 5:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen@athenpro.org">athen@athenpro.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Hotel, accessible sleeping rooms & the ADA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Howard,<br>
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There is no such provision as a grandfather clause in the current ADA
regulations. Public accommodations operating in older buildings (built prior to
the ADA) that have not been modified or altered have a requirement to remove
architectural barriers to people with disabilities. Post ADA alterations/
modifications must conform with the ADA Accessibility Guidelines (ADAAG). <br>
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The section of ADAAG that applies to hotels states that hotels and inns with 50
or more sleeping rooms or suites are to provide accessible rooms with roll- in
shower conforming to the requirements at <a
href="http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal/Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html"
target="_blank">http://www.dbtac.vcu.edu/adaportal//Facility_Access/ADAAG/Special_Occupancies/ADAAG_9.html</a>.<br>
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This is the standard to strive for in new construction however in older
buildings it is the ideal level to attain.<br>
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There is a very good resource for assisting with both Federal and state ADA
compliance (for those states with more restrictive laws). The Network of
ADA Centers can be contacted at (800) 949-4232.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Howard Kramer <<a href="mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU">Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU</a>><br>
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' <<a
href="mailto:athen@athenpro.org">athen@athenpro.org</a>><br>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:29 pm<br>
Subject: [Athen] Hotel, accessible sleeping rooms & the ADA<o:p></o:p></p>
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All:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Here’s
another question and it concerns the Millennium hotel which we use for Accessing
Higher Ground conference. We’ve been looking over their accessible sleeping
rooms. None of their rooms have roll-in showers, only grab bars and shower
seats. According to the hotel, they’re ADA compliant because they were
grandfathered on the basis of the building being more than 50 years old. I’ll
check some other ADA resources on this but thought some of you might be
knowledgeable about this. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Is
anyone aware of this “grandfather” stipulation? It would seem that not having
any roll-in shower rooms would be a significant barrier. Any feedback would be
appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Howard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Howard Kramer</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator<br>
AT Conference Coordinator<br>
Disability Services<br>
CU-Boulder, 107 UCB<br>
Boulder, Co 80309<br>
303-492-8672</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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