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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Evening all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have not looked into it for a while but the cost of Premiers
grant after the first year used to be proportional to the total student population
of your institution. In a recent review of their website, it appears they may
have changed that pricing structure. Not sure and it does behoove some
investigation if you are looking at this type of solution for your campus but
let the buyer beware.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am going to probably get in more trouble that Jim here, but
there is a variety of inexpensive AT products that have surfaced in the last
couple of years and my basic rule of thumb is that most of them are fine for a student
to buy for themselves or not buy as the case may be. I would not want to be
working for an institution that based their entire AT strategy on what is cheap
and easy to get, in particular if I was the one that made such a professionally
untenable decision. There are some schools that have done this and they
decided to settle the cases out of court at much more than it would have cost
to buy the good stuff the first time around.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ron Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shawn
Foster<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 07, 2008 6:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technologists in Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Screen readers/other software<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif"'>$40,000? Wow, you must
have WAY more computers on campus than we do.... Ours is $2,000 for
approximately 2100 computers campus-wide, and the grant specifically
stated that we could keep the software without the SMA, we just wouldn't be
eligible for upgrades and tech support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif"'>Premier has been very
helpful for a number of our LD students, as well as students whose first
language is not English, students who prefer dual-sensory input. Many
non-disabled students are beginning to use it as another tool in the learning
arsenal. We have faculty who use the software, as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif"'>That being said, I
absolutely agree with Jim that Premier is NOT adequate on its own for AT
purposes. (I'd never recommend Universal Reader in place of JAWS, for example.
Yikes!) We have a number of other applications in place that are more
hefty supports for those who need them. Premier is just ONE of the options that
we provide for students in the quest for universal access.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif"'>Happy Monday, all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif"'>Shawn Foster<br>
Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif"'>Disability Services for
Students<br>
Southern Oregon University<br>
V/TTY: (541)552-6213<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br>
>>> On 4/7/2008 at 3:28 PM, in message
<866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DCBCD39E@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us>,
"Daryl Murphy" <dmurphy@collegeofthedesert.edu> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#F3F3F3'><span style='color:black'>I
agree. The premier grant last for 1 year and then sends out an invoice
for $40,000 to keep the suite as a site license, otherwise you are running an
un-authorize version which according to Premier’s ULA as pirated software. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#F3F3F3'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marks,
Jim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 07, 2008 03:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technologists in Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Screen readers/other software<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#F3F3F3'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Hi Carol,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Every time I say this, it seems to
cause troubles. But, here goes anyhow. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Premier is fine, but it will not
replace better assistive technology. In my opinion, Premier should serve
as a supplement, never the only option a campus uses to comply with civil
rights laws. Premier does some things well, but it does less than what
more expensive assistive technologies can do. Function has to be a
primary concern, and colleges should find the money it takes to provide the
best access. I think of Premier as a low-cost alternative in which one
gets what one pays for. I also think the Premier grant thing is a marketing
scheme, not really a grant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>People with disabilities should have
the tools it takes to participate fully in higher education. It's wrong
to barter away equal access just to save a buck. On the other hand, if
the less costly alternative works, then go for it. Some make the argument
that many don't need all the bells and whistles, and there is merit to that
argument. Premier will not work as well as the more expensive
options, though, and making sure our post-secondary programs are accessible is
sort of the whole point. We need tools that work well. Reliance on
Premier alone just won't do the trick.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in;background:#F3F3F3'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:#F3F3F3'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Jim
Marks<br>
Director of Disability Services<br>
University of Montana<br>
jim.marks@umontana.edu<br>
<a href="http://www.umt.edu/dss/">http://www.umt.edu/dss/</a><br>
</span><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in;background:#F3F3F3'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> athen-bounces@athenpro.org
[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol Raymundo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> athen@athenpro.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Screen readers/other software</span><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I am wondering if anyone uses Premier
Literacy software (formerly Premier Assistive Technology). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#F3F3F3'><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Has anyone taken advantage of their
grant program? If so, what do you like and what don't you like about the
program?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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