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<font face="Arial">Well-said, Ken. My sentiments exactly.</font><br>
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Ken Petri wrote:
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type="cite">Hi Ron,<br>
<br>
Link to Pearson initiative really interesting--especially after reading
their partner list (gh, testHelp, Kurzweil). <br>
<br>
Of course the perennial question is, "why a special version?" Why not
just use epub to wrap DAISY and have the "special" book be the e-book
everyone uses. I hope that is the direction they are moving, rather
than to ghettoize the disability population with another "special"
technology: just make one technology that works for all. I know in some
cases it can't be done, but with e-books this isn't so.<br>
<br>
Cheers and thanks for the link,<br>
ken<br clear="all">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Ron
Stewart <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ron@ahead.org">ron@ahead.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks for the
clarification on this, guess I should have spent
more time on the site. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You are right on, an
HTML based system would be great, Pearson
is now producing some HTML textbooks in the k-12 space unfortunately
there is
not descriptive text on the images and no way to add it at this point.
Though I
understand they are working on a possible solution.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.pearsonschool.com/index.cfm?locator=PSZ4Z4&PMDbProgramId=67381&PMDbSiteId=2781&PMDbSolutionId=6724&PMDbSubSolutionId=6732&PMDbCategoryId=806"
target="_blank">http://www.pearsonschool.com/index.cfm?locator=PSZ4Z4&PMDbProgramId=67381&PMDbSiteId=2781&PMDbSolutionId=6724&PMDbSubSolutionId=6732&PMDbCategoryId=806</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org"
target="_blank">athen-bounces@athenpro.org</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org"
target="_blank">athen-bounces@athenpro.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
Petri<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 16, 2009 3:27 PM
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<div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [Fwd: New Concept in Textbooks]</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">The output I saw
was HTML. I
created an account and tried to create a couple of "chapters" of a
"book." Students get an online textbook, of sorts. It has the ability
to mark up and add notes to text, skip through chapters, etc. Even
though it is
HTML, it is not very accessible.<br>
<br>
There appears to be no keyboard-only navigation and the page markup is
geared
primarily to visual users. The next-previous buttons are not tab
navigable, for
instance. Neither are any of the drop down menus that give you access
to key
functionality, such as bookmarking and noting. <br>
<br>
With a screen reader I can hunt around and mostly figure out what
things are
(so long as I don't rely on the tab key--what most web application
users would
expect), but I can't access any of the necessary high-level fly-out
menus. This
keeps me from being able to access a lot of core functionality--just
like with
keyboard-only use.<br>
<br>
Note: this is just a once over and I'm not even pretending to give a
complete
analysis. I would say the system has promise (an all HTML book system
with
basic not-taking ability) but the developers clearly did not have
accessibility
in mind.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
ken<br clear="all">
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Ken Petri
<br>
Program Director<br>
OSU Web Accessibility Center<br>
102D Pomerene Hall<br>
1760 Neil Avenue<br>
Columbus, Ohio 43210<br>
Phone: (614) 292-1760<br>
Fax: (614) 292-4190<br>
mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:petri.1@osu.edu"
target="_blank">petri.1@osu.edu</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Ron Stewart
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ron@ahead.org"
target="_blank">ron@ahead.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It appears to be PDF
based so I would
not hold my breath.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron Stewart</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org" target="_blank">athen-bounces@athenpro.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org" target="_blank">athen-bounces@athenpro.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi Scher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 16, 2009 1:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [Fwd: New Concept in Textbooks]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi
Melanie,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've
not seen this, but electronic = access is definitely a misunderstanding
that
I've been combating for some time now with faculty. Would definitely
be
interested in hearing about this process and accessibility issues!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Heidi</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Melanie Thornton <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mpthornton@ualr.edu"
target="_blank">mpthornton@ualr.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Has
anyone seen books produced using this process? I wrote to them and
asked
about accessibility. It concerns me because professors may think
electronic equals accessible.<br>
<br>
Melanie<br>
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