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<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Greetings
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<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I
posted the original question to the Blind Math listserv hosted by the
NFB. A couple of listers suggested abandoning all hope except Excel, but
were quickly countered by others. Here are two useful posts below that
support Gaeir’s link to the R Project; a quick search of that site
revealed no info on accessibility. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>*****<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I use R every day of my working life.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Use the terminal version not the gui version. Jaws and
NVDA work well <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>with it and I have no reason for believing Window Eyes
don't<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I personally have issues with Excel and its usefulness
for <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>statistical analyses. Use it with caution if you do much
more than <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>the simple calculations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>PASW and R can be used by Jaws users.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>If the location of java accessibility bridge has been
appropriately set, and <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>the accessibility.property file has been coppied into
PASW folder, Jaws <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>should be able to, and is able to read the menus in
PASW 18. I have been <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>using the program with jaws It reads menus quite well.
The problem is of <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>reading output in the output viewer. However, it
can be exported to <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>microsoft word for reading. NVDA also works quite well with
PASW. I think <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>there is no reason for considering excel as the only
solution. PASW can be <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>used with jaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>As Dr. Jonathan has already stated R can be used with
these two screen <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>readers as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> athen-bounces@athenpro.org
[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gaeir Dietrich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] question on Jaws and Stats software<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Check
out R-Project for Statistics. It is accessible with JAWS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><a
href="http://www.r-project.org/">http://www.r-project.org/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Gaeir
(rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>
High Tech Center Training Unit of the<br>
California Community Colleges<br>
De Anza College, Cupertino, CA<br>
<a href="http://www.htctu.net/"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>www.htctu.net</span></a> <br>
408-996-6043<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda
Petty<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> athen@athenpro.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] question on Jaws and Stats software</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Cross posting on behalf of Queens- pls cc a
response directly to: email Andrew at <a href="mailto:ashby@queensu.ca">ashby@queensu.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Linda S. Petty,
O.T. Reg. (ON)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Assistive
Technology Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>University of
Toronto Scarborough<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>ACCESS<i>Ability </i>Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>1265 Military
Trail, Room SW302G<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Toronto ON M1C 1A4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>PH:416-208-5144<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Fax: 416-287-7334<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability/">www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>Posted on behalf of Andrew Ashby,
Assistive Technologist at Queen's:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>Please excuse cross-postings; we didn't
want to miss anyone who might have a solution to this... Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>I’ve come across the situation
where a student who is blind is taking a statistics course requiring the use of
stats software to crunch data and create graphs for analysis. The student is a
Jaws user but the stats software being used is PASW version 18 (formerly known
as SPSS).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>Our AT Lab has Jaws version 12 and PASW
v18 and in testing them together I found that Jaws isn’t usable with PASW
since it seems to be programmed in Java. I thought I found a solution for this
online where you create a Java Access Bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>(???) in Jaws but it doesn’t seem to
work with Jaws v12. I tried statistical software called ‘R’, but it
too doesn’t seem to work well with Jaws.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>So my question is has anyone come across
this sort of situation before? If so, what solution did you use? Is there
statistics software out there compatible with Jaws v12?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>The only solution I can see right now is
trying to use MS Excel. Jaws v12 now has a “virtual ribbon” that
makes the ribbon menu in Office 2007/2010 more accessible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>Any thoughts or solutions would be
greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>Andrew Ashby – AT Queen’s
University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-CA>To reply privately, email Andrew at <a
href="mailto:ashby@queensu.ca">ashby@queensu.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Linda S. Petty,
O.T. Reg. (ON)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Assistive
Technology Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>University of
Toronto Scarborough<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>ACCESS<i>Ability </i>Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>1265 Military
Trail, Room SW302G<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Toronto ON M1C 1A4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>PH:416-208-5144<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Fax: 416-287-7334<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR-CA style='font-size:12.0pt'>www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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