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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Many thanks Ken for this news - I have just downloaded the Kindle PC accessibility version and NVDA reads all the navigation elements and then describes the content with the term ‘border’ and you can see the text that should be read aloud with a border around it. But do you think those of us in the UK are being prevented from using the TTS – I was trying it with the Kindle manual – no sign of TTS. It could well be my incompetence! Many thanks for any help available on the topic as we are also evaluating all these apps and ereaders and will be producing evaluations sometime in the year – available to all of course! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just wish I could catch up on it all at CSUN and I am now sending apologies for not being able to attend the meetings. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best wishes E.A. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mrs E.A. Draffan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ECS, University of Southampton,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>http://www.emptech.info<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Petri<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 February 2012 14:58<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Kindle software<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Robert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pratik is painting a gloomier picture than is the case. The thing is called Kindle for PC with Accessibility Plugin and you can get it for free here: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000632481">http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000632481</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you have a screen reader installed (for example NVDA, which, again, is free) when Kindle fires up, you will be able to use NVDA to navigate the controls of the interface and the home screen (there is some verbal "junk" in the interface in NVDA, not so with JAWS, but it's livable). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For book reading, the Plugin's native TTS takes over. It downloads with a high quality male and female voice, which you can toggle between. You can navigate by sentence on a page or have the whole page read in its entirety. There is no way to select or copy text with a screen reader. That will require sighted use and a mouse. But you can set a note on an entire page and the notes are accessible with a screen reader. (Oddly, the notes cannot be removed via screen reader, though they can be edited). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You can also set and search on bookmarks and text.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This behavior is NOT limited to books with TTS enabled by the publisher. It will work with any Kindle book and there are more than 900,000 of those now. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's far from perfect, but it is a marginally decent accommodation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, if you buy a book in Kindle, it is relatively trivial to break the DRM and convert it to EPUB for playback in other devices. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<br clear=all><br>ken<br>--<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ken Petri<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Program Director, OSU Web Accessibility Center<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>102D Pomerene Hall, 1760 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Office: 614.292.1760 | Mobile: 614.218.1499 | Fax: 614.292.4190<br><a href="http://wac.osu.edu" target="_blank">http://wac.osu.edu</a> | <a href="mailto:petri.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">petri.1@osu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Robert Beach <<a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Hmmm, sounds rather gloomy. There is a book I need that is not available at any other resource (that I can find), but is available for the Kindle. Since it is a textbook and not a leasure read, I really would like to have at least paragraph navigation. Also, since I don’t know if TTS is turned on or off in the book, I hate to go that route.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the feed back.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Robert Lee Beach</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Assistive Technology Specialist</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Kansas City Kansas Community College</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>7250 State Avenue</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Kansas City, KS 66112</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:913-288-7671" target="_blank">913-288-7671</a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu" target="_blank">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pratik Patel<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] Kindle software</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Hello Robert,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>There is a specific piece of software that can be downloaded for some accessible output. It hasn’t been improved.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>There are built-in voices that can be used to read out loud. You can use speed control. You can read page by page. You won’t be able to read by paragraph, line, word, sentence, etc. There is no support for a screen reader to read the book; nor is there support for braille displays. For books that do not have TTS enabled, you will get no speech.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Hope this helps.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Pratik</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]" target="_blank">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network (<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Kindle software</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I know this was discussed some time ago, but I need an update/reminder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I know there is an accessibility patch for the Kindle software for PC that supposedly makes it work with JAWS. I also remember the reviews weren’t very exciting when I first heard it discussed. What kind of luck are folks having with this setup? Have there been any improvements? What draw backs might I expect to find?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Robert Lee Beach<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Kansas City Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>7250 State Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Kansas City, KS 66112<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><a href="tel:913-288-7671" target="_blank">913-288-7671</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu" target="_blank">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>athen-list mailing list<br><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a><br><a href="http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list" target="_blank">http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>