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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">The Google person in charge of Google Docs said that Docs was designed in a way that current screen reading software could not understand so they developed at
screen reader around it (ChromeVox) during the CSUN fireside chat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">535 W Michigan St. IT214 E</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Indianapolis, IN 46202</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Office Phone: (317) 274-4378</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:johumber@iupui.edu" target="_blank">johumber@iupui.edu</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="http://iuadapts.indiana.edu/" target="_blank">http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Stewart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] Google Apps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just to add to this comment, the conversations that were had with Google last week were from all feedback I have received less than productive. ATHEN will
continue to explore the issues of the Google App suites and welcomes any opportunities to collaborate in the hopeful resolution of what is a very problematic situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ron Stewart, President
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ATHEN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Williams<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Also, the previous report on Google Docs can be found here: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a href="http://athenpro.org/google-docs-accessibility">http://athenpro.org/google-docs-accessibility</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Some of the findings may be slightly dated, but the general situation remains the same. Progress has been slow. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">At U-Michigan we are scurrying to find work-arounds for Google Apps for our screen reader users. These work-arounds will not be satisfactory accommodations because the
colloaborative aspect of Google Apps drops out of the picture. Same for the inter-App functionality (e.g., adding an event or task from Gmail). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Current strategies include using Mail.app and ICal for Mac folks and Outlook for PC folks. We are looking at 3rd-party apps such as Insync for dealing with Google Docs. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Scott Williams<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Web Accessibility Coordinator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Office of Institutional Equity<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">University of Michigan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="color:#A0A0A8">On Thursday, March 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Robert,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Here is the link from the ATHEN website: <a href="http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility">
http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kathy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kathleen Cahill</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Assistive Technology Specialist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">77 Mass. Ave. 7-143</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cambridge MA 02139</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(617) 253-5111</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:kcahill@mit.edu">kcahill@mit.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Espero<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sue,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was
very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Robert</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">P.S. UC Irvine has done a “soft” deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other
colleagues. I’m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Robert Espero</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">AT/IT Coordinator<br>
Disability Services Center</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">UC Irvine</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Read Hadi and Joe’s report…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not accessible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Susan Kelmer</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alternate Format Coordinator</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Disability Services</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">University of Colorado</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">303-735-4836</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wink Harner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Hi all,<br>
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Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated.<br>
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Thanks in advance.<br>
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Wink<br>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Ms. Wink Harner<br>
Project Support<br>
Mesa Community College<br>
1833 W. Southern Avenue<br>
Mesa AZ 85201<br>
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<a href="mailto:winkharner@mesacc.edu">winkharner@mesacc.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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