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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is often about managing the workload, not the workload itself. The access requirement does not change but we can surly do it smarter in many instances that we have been doing. It is not about giving the student what they want, though that is a consideration, it is about what they need to level the playing field. You can only do so much, and the rest is up to them, but too often we give them more that they need and are not willing to ask them to step up to the bar. Some also have the tendency to make decisions for others on their needs and capabilities that are better left to them. That is why we have the issues with employment and employability, Academe is a step on the road, but it is not the road.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shahida Khaliq<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you Ron, very helpful advice, it is much appreciated. I will definitely be putting it to use (getting in some fishing rods as I type).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sincerely<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Shahida <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Stewart<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just another comment on this topic. Grad thesis and dissertation readings can become a major issue, and one that I regularly use as one of my teachable moments in my talks and trainings. What I recommend is in determining the need to convert this is a relationship be established between the student, the major professor and the service office. It is a similar quandary to the optional and required book dilemma, with the exact same effective solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Those materials that the student wants converted, and that the major prof concurs, should be at a minimum provided in an "auto-ocr'd" version. Now this requires that the student be proficient in their AT, but that is a life skill as well as an academic skill and I seriously question the survivability of any grad student who does not have the skills to be an effective student. The best example of this is a student and now longtime friend, who was a history of science major. They were studying a time in which none of their source materials were available in a textual format. Thank the gods for JSTOR who had almost everything in image based PDF. We were able to get the materials through JSTOR and Inter-Library loan, run them through auto recognition mode in the OCR application and the student was able to use their AT (Openbook) to review the materials. Those that were determined to be germane to a course at the time or later the dissertation research topic were further edited once the student had explicitly identified what it was they needed and the major prof concurred. I normally use a similar approach to research deep studies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not sure if this helps but it has really proven to be a win-win over the last couple of decades with a lot of students. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shahida Khaliq<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you Sean, and everybody who answered. At the moment our library is not part of the Hathi Trust Digital Library, but is in the process of joining them so what you say is a valid option for the future. We are not denying any books to the student, the waters just become cloudy in terms of the readings not being tied to a particular class or professor (as one of the publishers is asking for this information). The readings are up to the student with guidance from their advisor. As long as the student presents proof that they have purchased the book asked for, we will acquire or create an alternate format. However a book on loan from a library, I can see us doing portions but for the full book a purchase has to be made, beyond what portion of the book being asked for, should we ask for a receipt for proof of purchase? i.e. More than 5 chapters out of 10? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean Keegan<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My comments would echo what Teresa and Kathy have said in terms of alternate formats for grad students. One thing I would add, as it relates to procedures, is that we also try to work with the faculty when dealing with reading lists. Reading lists for a grad program may include a list of titles, but sometimes faculty members have a very specific edition they want the student to read even though it is not explicit on the program's reading list.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Another consideration may be to engage with the library at your institution to find out their status and relationship with the Hathi Trust Digital Library. Depending on who or what entity controls access to the accessible versions of the files, grad students may find this resource useful in that they may be able to obtain digital versions from a library representative directly. Alternatively, it may be a disability services office that acts as the "proxy" for the Hathi Trust. In any case, for students doing library research, this may be another option to consider procedurally.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>More about Hathi Trust and accessibility at:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility">http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Take care,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sean<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kathleen Cahill <<a href="mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU">kcahill@MIT.EDU</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Shahida,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>The only difference might be that graduate students have lots of research that might not necessarily be tied to a particular class or textbook. We ask graduate students to produce a list of what’s needed and prioritize items. Then, we do our best to procure reading materials in alternative formats that the student needs.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope this helps,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kathy</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kathleen Cahill</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Assistive Technology Specialist</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>77 Mass. Ave. 7-143</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cambridge MA 02139</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(617) 253-5111</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:kcahill@mit.edu"><span style='color:purple'>kcahill@mit.edu</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:purple'>athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:athen-<a href="mailto:list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:purple'>list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Shahida Khaliq<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Access Technology Higher Education Network (<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style='color:purple'>athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a>)<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Athen] Grad students and alternate formats</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Good Morning All<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Best<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>R</b>ega<b>r</b>ds</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:#002060'>Shahida Khaliq</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech.</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'> </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Office of Disability Services</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><image001.png></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:red'>Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>54 Joyce Kilme<b>r<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Ave, Suite A145</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Piscataway, New Je<b>r</b>sey 08854</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Office Hou<b>r</b>s Monday- F<b>r</b>iday 8:30am-5:00pm</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#7030A0'>Website:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://ods.rutgers.edu"><span style='color:purple'>https://ods.rutgers.edu</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:#7030A0'>Making a Key Difference</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#E5DACC'><image004.jpg></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>athen-list mailing list<br><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:purple'>athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu</span></a><br><a href="http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list"><span style='color:purple'>http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>