<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">In terms of quality of the output, I have found that it is based on several parameters, including:<div><br></div><div>1. quality of the original scan</div><div>2. complexity of the material being submitted</div><div>3. final document format</div><div>4. if the document included accessibility information during authoring process</div><div><br></div><div>There may be others, but these seem to be the major parts that affect the output quality.</div><div><br></div><div>For instance, if the intent is to go from an image PDF to a text-based (tagged) PDF and the image scan is poor, then the resulting PDF document will not be that usable for a student. On the other hand, if the original image scan is high-quality and a simple 1-2 column layout, then I have found the output for both the tagged PDF and MS Word format to be very usable for a student.</div><div><br></div><div>If the document author includes accessibility information into the original document format, then the output can be quite accessible. For example, if the author includes text descriptions for images, heading markup, etc., then the output can be very usable if going to either a DAISY file or a tagged PDF version.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, where the system breaks down is when you are dealing with formats that do not function well in an automated process, such as math and/or science materials. We point this out to students and let them decide how they may choose to proceed.</div><div><br></div><div>I want to point out that a system such as this is not intended to replace alternate format production at an institution; rather, the idea is that it can augment such a production facility. There are times a student receives academic materials that are not in the format that works best for their disability needs and the student needs the materials quickly. An automated conversion process that allows a student to submit a file and receive a result in less than an hour offers more independence and faster results than going through a full production process. Further, a student may not be sure they even want to read the full document. We have had students use the automated process to perform a quick document conversion so they may decide if they want to make a request through our production facility.</div><div><br></div><div>I would also suggest that there is the potentiality for such a system to act as an "accessibility converter" and support the creation of accessible instructional materials from an institutional perspective. Rather than focusing on how to use all the different tools and editors to make an accessible document, I can focus on the authoring techniques that result in accessible versions. I can talk about the benefits of headings, image descriptions, data tables, math content, etc. and then avoid the painful conversation of "here's how you use the Touch-Up Reading Order Tool" in Adobe Acrobat. Instead, I can point the document creators to a reliable conversion tool that, provided they have followed the correct authoring techniques, can result in an accessible versions. </div><div><br></div><div>There will always be the need for an alt format production facility to provide conversion services for students with print-disabilities. While not perfect, an automated system can provide an alternative to the traditional conversion services and offer students a choice in how they may wish to have their materials processed.</div><div><br></div><div>So, to provide a long answer to your short question regarding the quality of materials - it depends. <grin> </div><div><br></div><div>Take care,</div><div>Sean</div><div><br></div><div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Brian Richwine <<a href="mailto:blrichwine@gmail.com">blrichwine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Can anyone comment on the quality of the materials produced by the Robobraille/SensusAccess portal? Our students are used to having our editing staff produce fully edited accessible word documents (with appropriate heading structures, page number matching, described images, linearized/described tables, etc.).<div>
<br></div><div>What kind of student satisfaction feedback are you getting?</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div> Brian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Sean Keegan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeegan@stanford.edu" target="_blank">skeegan@stanford.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">To follow-up on Joshua's comment - the SCRIBE system uses Abbyy FineReader Corporate Edition and the reason for this is because we manage the system on-campus vs. the hosted solution other institutions are implementing. Overall, it works okay, but Recognition Server is far more robust in terms of speed and recovery from corrupted PDF documents.<div>
<br></div><div>When we built SCRIBE, FineReader Corporate Edition was the only viable option for us as Recognition Server was too expensive. Every so often I do have to go and restart the Abbyy Corporate Edition application on our system as a corrupted PDF file will stop the automatic processing and, from what I can tell, this does not happen with Recognition Server (on the other hand, you don't suffer quite as many heart attacks from the RS pricing). Getting access to Recognition Server is far better for overall reliability.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am not too concerned about the future of the Robobraille/SensusAccess portal as there is too much investment by other entities around the world to let it expire. As Joshua mentioned, I also suggest the system for users once they leave the institutional environment and believe this resource will continue until something better comes along.</div>
<div><div><br></div><div><div>Take care,</div><div>sean</div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Joshua Hori <<a href="mailto:jhori@ucdavis.edu" target="_blank">jhori@ucdavis.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hello everyone!<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Along with UC Irvine, UC Davis has also purchased a hosted license of SensusAccess to be used by faculty, students, or staff using a UCDavis email addresses. This is to ensure that our students can provide their own conversions if needed and to support development. Currently, SensusAccess is paid by European governments for European students. When the SensusAccess group came to the US Government for funding, they were told to request funds from institutions instead.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So, what do I get with my license?<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I get an iframe to add to one of my web pages which allows students to submit a file from their computer (default on SA’s main page), or I have the ability to post a file via URL (non-authentication), or I can copy and paste text into a textbox for conversion.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I also get the ability to request features to be implemented. One feature that was implemented at our request was the ability to have files available as download links instead of being attached to emails. This was due to some documents being too large (over 30M) for some email systems, to which they added code to recognize file size limitations and send users a link instead of an attachment. Technical issues are usually resolved via email within an hour as well. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">A benefit is that I don’t have to pay for that outrageous pricetag that ABBYY recognition server was requesting, which increased depending on how many cores you plan on using within your processor (look underneath my signature for the quotes I was given…). I also don’t have to pay, or maintain, a server, or have to worry about the setup, licensing, or maintenance of all the programs needed for the conversion process. (MS Office,<span> </span><i>OpenOffice</i>,<span> </span><i>Calibre</i>,<span> </span><i>DAISY Pipeline</i>, NeoSpeech voices, Mailserver, FTP, RoboBraille, and all the plug-ins and specialized software). There is a slight difference between ABBYY Pro, which I believe SCRIBE is using, and ABBYY recognition server, which is what SA is using.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I instruct our students on how to use the UC Davis hosted service for their needs, and that they can continue to use the open SensusAccess portal for conversions after higher ed. If this service dies after a few years, then all my plans to support my students after higher ed vanishes as well. NOT GOOD.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sorry, I went full nerd on everyone. I know…I’m not supposed to go full nerd, but…I did.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">TL;DR – Yeah, we pay for the service…and it has its’ ups and downs, but yet…it’s beautiful.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Joshua Hori<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Accessible Technology Analyst<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">University of California, Davis<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Student Disability Center<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">ABBYY Recognition Server (OCR support)<u></u><u></u></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in;line-height:17px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span>$3,366 for 1 million page conversions, $1,346 annual maintenance (locked to a single core)<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in;line-height:17px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span>$2,993 for 300k page conversions, $1,197 annual maintenance (locked to a single core)<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in;line-height:17px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span>$1,850 for 100k page conversions, $740 annual maintenance (locked to a single core)<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in;line-height:17px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span>Dual core license: $12k, $4,800 annual maintenance<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in;line-height:17px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span>Quad core license: $18k<u></u><u></u></div><p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt 1.25in;line-height:17px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:'Courier New'"><span>o<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span> </span></span></span></span>Has the ability to convert 100k pages per night<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Remember…this is just for the OCR software.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:athen-" target="_blank">athen-</a><a href="mailto:list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>James Bailey<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:56 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu</a>;<span> </span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[Athen] RoboBraille<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
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Hello all:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This is from their web site (it’s cut and paste so any typos are theirs):<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats.”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This seems pretty cut and dried to me.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
If you have a take on this, please share it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
Oh it gets better!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
From: Tanja Stevns <<a href="mailto:tanja@sensus.dk" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">tanja@sensus.dk</a>><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">To: James Bailey<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
Subject: SV: Document conversion<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">James,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
Have a nice day,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Tanja<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
<u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As Tanja says, “Have a nice day”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">James<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 4pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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