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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I wish I had caught this thread earlier. I got my undergrad in music education, now work in AT/accessible media, and have had low vision music students in the
past.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My suggestion is to see if orchestral reductions are available. Scores of music traditionally have each instrument on its own staff, meaning you have to read
dozens of staves in real time, which is likely the problem with enlargements. Reductions take all those staves and put them on just two: treble and bass. There are generally two kinds of reductions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Piano reductions are meant to be played as-is by a pianist, and usually don’t have additional information about what instrument is playing what notes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Orchestral reductions are usually still on two lines, but they do have information about what instrument is playing what line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If she has to do any conducting (it was a requirement in my orchestration course), orchestral reductions would seem like the best choice since you’d be able
to enlarge them without losing much info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I know Finale and Sibelius both can do score reductions—it might even be possible to color code the lines with instruments, though I’ve never tried it. It’s
pretty common practice to color-code scores with highlighters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Evan Yamanishi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Lansing Community College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="tel:+15174835263"><span style="color:#0563C1">(517) 483-5263</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi Scher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gaeir; Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Help!! Low vision and music scores<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:107%">Hey Gaeir, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:107%">That's some good food-for-thought. I'll chat with the student to see what she thinks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:107%">Thanks for giving me some direction!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:107%">Heidi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:107%">+++++++++++++++<br>
Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC<br>
Associate Director<br>
Center for Educational Access<br>
University of Arkansas<br>
ARKU 104<br>
Fayetteville, AR 72701<br>
479.575.3104<br>
479.575.7445 fax<br>
479.575.3646 tdd<br>
+++++++++++++++<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:107%">On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Gaeir Dietrich <<a href="mailto:gdietrich@htctu.net" target="_blank">gdietrich@htctu.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Heidi!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">When you say that just enlarging doesn’t help, do you mean that she would have to enlarge one page
of the score to larger than 11 in x 17 in paper to see it? How large does she need a page to be?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It would be cumbersome, but with PDF and tiling, you could literally enlarge sections of each page
and reassemble them on something like a flipchart. That degree of enlargement should work for most folks who are still relying on vision, rather than braille. If she needs it even larger, the next step up would be poster board—extremely cumbersome, but still
attainable. If that is still too small, you can get rolls of paper that are used for banquet tables, enlarge each section of the page 8 times or so and reassemble onto that. Beyond that you would need a wall. ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>
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408-996-4636</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi Scher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Help!! Low vision and music scores</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you all for responses! Unfortunately, just enlarging doesn't help her out. She has to be able to see the music for the multiple instruments at one time and refer between
them quickly. For example, she has to be able to see in the fourth measure of the third stanza that the oboe is doing x, the violas are doing y, the bassoon is doing z, and the tympani is doing abc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We had also talked about a CCTV for the hard copy, but again, she wouldn't be able to see the multiple rows of music at one time that is necessary.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Honestly, I'm coming up with very little to assist her.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Heidi<o:p></o:p></p>
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Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC<br>
Associate Director<br>
Center for Educational Access<br>
University of Arkansas<br>
ARKU 104<br>
Fayetteville, AR 72701<br>
<a href="tel:479.575.3104" target="_blank">479.575.3104</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Patrick Burke <<a href="mailto:burke@ucla.edu" target="_blank">burke@ucla.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Let the record show that Bill McCann does have a low-vision solution. Sounds to me like a high-roller option: a portable flat-panel unit called Lime Lighter Leggiero. Marketed to
performers, so aiming for the speed & portability that they would need.<br>
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Unfortunately the Dancing Dots site is down at the moment...<br>
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Patrick<o:p></o:p></p>
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At 11:01 AM 4/16/2014, Wink Harner wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Both Sibelius and Coda Finale have screen enlargement capabilities and are commonly used in music composition classes & orchestral scores. See what your music department is using
for this class. Could be THIS would be the accommodation needed for the class. Also possible to get the software on a tablet for mobility purposes for her. Worth a look-see, in any case, Heidi. Then ask Bill at Dancing Dots (smile).<br>
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Southern Oregon University<br>
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From: athen-list [mailto:<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher<br>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:40 AM<br>
To: ATHEN listserv<br>
Subject: [Athen] Help!! Low vision and music scores<br>
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Hello all,<br>
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I'm needing your expertise and ideas on some accommodation options for a student we have. She has low vision, uses screen magnification. She is registered for a music orchestration course, in which she will have to read orchestra scores. Thus, screen enlargement
won't work for her to be able to see multiple lines of the score. The only option I can think of is Dancing Dots. But music and a student with low vision to this extent is not a combination with which I've dealt in the past.<br>
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Any thoughts or ideas on how we can accommodate her? Because of the program that she is in, this is a fundamental course for her degree.<br>
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Many thanks for any assistance you can provide!!<br>
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Heidi<br>
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Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC<br>
Associate Director<br>
Center for Educational Access<br>
University of Arkansas<br>
ARKU 104<br>
Fayetteville, AR 72701<br>
<a href="tel:479.575.3104" target="_blank">479.575.3104</a><br>
<a href="tel:479.575.7445" target="_blank">479.575.7445</a> fax<br>
<a href="tel:479.575.3646" target="_blank">479.575.3646</a> tdd<br>
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