<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Google Chrome works with Chrome Vox . I'm currently  doing testing  with Chrome  Vox and it works pretty well with D2L.  However it still has some glitches. Using a combination of jaws  and chrome Vox to access D2L would probably work the best<br><div>Angel Chesimet<span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span></div>Graduate Candidate Spring, 2015<div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Clinical Rehabilitation Counseling</span><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Portland State University</span></div></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Mobile: 503-470-2626</span></div></div><div><br>On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:40 PM, "Russell Solowoniuk" <<a href="mailto:SolowoniukR@macewan.ca">SolowoniukR@macewan.ca</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Hi Michelle,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Have you tried using Google Chrome and VoiceOver? I've never used D2L, so not sure if this combination will work any better than Safari and VO, but worth a shot?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Russell</span><br><span></span><br><span>Russell Solowoniuk</span><br><span>AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities</span><br><span>MacEwan University</span><br><span>7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave.</span><br><span>Edmonton, AB  T5J 4S2</span><br><span>E: <a href="mailto:solowoniukr@macewan.ca">solowoniukr@macewan.ca</a></span><br><span>T:  780-497-5826</span><br><span>F:  780-497-4018</span><br><span><a href="http://macewan.ca">macewan.ca</a></span><br><span>This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information.  Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it.  Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. </span><br><span>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Michele Bromley <<a href="mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu">michele.bromley@pdx.edu</a>> 7/24/2014 10:15 AM >>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><span>Keith, Kenneth, Russell, et al.,</span><br><span></span><br><span>We are dealing with VoiceOver Mac. I've had the opportunity over the last</span><br><span>week to do some more digging with regard to this accessibility issue. It</span><br><span>appears that the discussion board function in D2L is essentially</span><br><span>inaccessible in Safari when using VoiceOver. We found that was it nearly</span><br><span>impossible to navigate into the edit text area, and even when students were</span><br><span>able to do so with assistance, VoiceOver would not read words out loud as</span><br><span>they were typed.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I'm tentatively concluding that this is a VoiceOver/Safari issue since we</span><br><span>were able to navigate through the discussion board functions easily using</span><br><span>JAWS on a separate computer. Unfortunately, this is still a big issue since</span><br><span>many of our students use Macintosh computers.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I'm looking into ChromeVox as a possible alternative--I haven't had a</span><br><span>chance yet to take it out for a spin. I'm not currently aware of any other</span><br><span>open source screen reading software that works with the most recent Mac</span><br><span>operating system.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thank you for any recommendations!</span><br><span></span><br><span>*Michele Joy Bromley*</span><br><span>Inclusive Technology Coordinator</span><br><span>Disability Resource Center</span><br><span>Portland State University</span><br><span></span><br><span>Office: 116A SMSU</span><br><span>Phone: (503) 725-8395</span><br><span>Fax: (503) 725-4103</span><br><span>Email: <a href="mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu">michele.bromley@pdx.edu</a> </span><br><span>Website: <a href="http://www.pdx.edu/drc">www.pdx.edu/drc</a> <<a href="http://www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology">http://www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology</a>></span><br><span>Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pdxdrc">www.facebook.com/pdxdrc</a> </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, <</span><br><span><a href="mailto:athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu">athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Send athen-list mailing list submissions to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subsc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span>your student?s experience.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ken</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[The Ohio State University]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ken Petri, Program Director</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Disability Services</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:petri.1@osu.edu">petri.1@osu.edu</a><<a href="mailto:petri.1@osu.edu">mailto:petri.1@osu.edu</a>> | <a href="http://wac.osu.edu">wac.osu.edu</a><<a href="http://wac.osu.edu">http://wac.osu.edu</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Behalf Of Michele Bromley</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu">DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello all,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>so this seems to be a D2L issue.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>recommendations!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Michele Joy Bromley</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Inclusive Technology Coordinator</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Disability Resource Center</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Portland State University</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Office: 116A SMSU</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Phone: (503) 725-8395</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Fax: (503) 725-4103</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Email: <a href="mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu">michele.bromley@pdx.edu</a><<a href="mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu">mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Website: <a href="http://www.pdx.edu/drc">www.pdx.edu/drc</a><<a href="http://www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology">http://www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pdxdrc">www.facebook.com/pdxdrc</a><<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pdxdrc">http://www.facebook.com/pdxdrc</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>URL: <</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.html</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Name: image001.png</span><br></blockquote>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ef="mailto:petri.1@osu.edu">petri.1@osu.edu</a>> 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Michelle,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>have staff dedicated to accessibility.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>accessibility on VoiceOver?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>much better (though very different, as well).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>interested in your student*s experience.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ken</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[The Ohio State University]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ken Petri, Program Director</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Disability Services</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:petri.1@osu.edu">petri.1@osu.edu</a><<a href="mailto:petri.1@osu.edu">mailto:petri.1@osu.edu</a>> |</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://wac.osu.edu">wac.osu.edu</a><<a href="http://wac.osu.edu">http://wac.osu.edu</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Behalf Of Michele Bromley</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu">DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello all,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>management system. We have a blind student who has been having some</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>recommendations!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Michele Joy Bromley</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Inclusive Technology Coordinator</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Disability Resource Center</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Portland State University</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Office: 116A SMSU</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Phone: (503) 725-8395</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Fax: (503) 725-4103</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Email: <a href="mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu">michele.bromley@pdx.edu</a><<a href="mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu">mailto:michele.bromley@pdx.edu</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Website: <a href="http://www.pdx.edu/drc">www.pdx.edu/drc</a><<a href="http://www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology">http://www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pdxdrc">www.facebook.com/pdxdrc</a><<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pdxdrc">http://www.facebook.com/pdxdrc</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>------------------------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message: 3</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:38:17 -0600</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Susan Kelmer <<a href="mailto:Susan.Kelmer@Colorado.EDU">Susan.Kelmer@Colorado.EDU</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: "<a href="mailto:dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu">dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu">dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu</a>>,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        "Access Technology Higher Education Network</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        (<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>)"  <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message-ID:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        <<a href="mailto:3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu">3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>our strong point in production.  So, we're still in a bit of a learning</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mode.  We've discovered a few things, and need some help.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>MathType, we are finding two problems:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>a.       We put page number in the header section of word documents as a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>matter of routine.  The page numbers disappear in the finalized document,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and we're not sure why.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>b.      If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>create them), the output to MathPage fails.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through.  If</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Susan Kelmer</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alternate Format Coordinator</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Disability Services</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>University of Colorado</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>303-735-4836</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>URL: <</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/1f97e440/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/1f97e440/attachment-0001.html</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>------------------------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message: 4</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:30 +0100</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Emma Cliffe <<a href="mailto:E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk">E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk">53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Susan,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>true in Word 2003 <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270</a> and I imagine</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>have to include them a different way.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>MathML equations. Will trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><p class="MsoFootnoteText"><a href="#_ftnref1"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>name="_ftn1" title=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><![if</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>!supportFootnotes]><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>New Roman";</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1]</span></span><![endif]></span></a> <a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>href="<a href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</a>"></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</a>">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></p></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The incorrect portions are:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><![if !supportFootnotes]> which should be <!--[if !supportFootnotes]></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><![endif]> which should be <![endif]--></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>write a script that does this for you.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>take some time.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kind regards,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Emma</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>been our strong point in production.  So, we're still in a bit of a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>learning mode.  We've discovered a few things, and need some help.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>MathType, we are finding two problems:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>matter of routine.  The page numbers disappear in the finalized</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>document, and we're not sure why.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>them), the output to MathPage fails.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/Susan Kelmer/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/Alternate Format Coordinator/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/Disability Services/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/University of Colorado/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/303-735-4836/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>athen-list mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu">athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list">http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</a> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>URL: <</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/c6c46d01/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/c6c46d01/attachment-0001.html</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>------------------------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message: 5</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:51:37 +0100</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Emma Cliffe <<a href="mailto:E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk">E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk">53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Susan,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>example below):</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="#_ftnref1"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>name="_ftn1" title=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>e.g</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="#_ftnref1"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>name="_ftn1" title="">link<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>so that the footnote link was visible and clickable.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kind regards,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Emma</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Susan,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>certainly true in Word 2003 <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270</a> and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>but you'll have to include them a different way.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>MathML equations. Will trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><p class="MsoFootnoteText"><a href="#_ftnref1"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>name="_ftn1" title=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><![if</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>!supportFootnotes]><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>New Roman";</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1]</span></span><![endif]></span></a> <a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>href="<a href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</a>"></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</a>">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></p></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The incorrect portions are:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><![if !supportFootnotes]> which should be <!--[if !supportFootnotes]></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><![endif]> which should be <![endif]--></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to write a script that does this for you.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this could take some time.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kind regards,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Emma</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>been our strong point in production.  So, we're still in a bit of a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>MathType, we are finding two problems:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>matter of routine.  The page numbers disappear in the finalized</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>document, and we're not sure why.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>create them), the output to MathPage fails.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/Susan Kelmer/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/Alternate Format Coordinator/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/Disability Services/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/University of Colorado/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/303-735-4836/</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockq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