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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I will say the list read correctly for me in my copy of the message.  Other systems may have reformatted so that it didn’t read correctly though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Robert Lee Beach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kansas City Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">7250 State Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kansas City, KS  66112<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">913-288-7671<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">rbeach@kckcc.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Stewart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Sub-lists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It looks like it may be a problem with the list structure but also partially a user education problem. Without seeing the actual code it is hard to tell.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nested lists like this are a really an issue with many novice screen reader users, and based on here comments I would think this may be true.  One of the things
 I always tell users is don’t believe what you hear, especially on lists, menus and the like.  But to navigate through them using their keyboard to verify.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ron Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carin Headrick<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Sub-lists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hmmm my screen reader, JAWS at the moment, didn’t really think that was a list at all, but I wonder if that’s something to do with it being changed somehow
 when it became an email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Usually JAWS will say, for example, “list of 5 items” and when it reaches the sub-list, “list of 1 items nesting level 1” which indicates it’s inside the other
 list. I would have to check what NVDA or Voiceover does though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry I couldn’t be of much help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Carin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> athen-list
<a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen Sorensen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Sub-lists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In working with a screen reader user, she expressed confusion about a sub-list. JAWS just read "list of 5 items" but before it reached the end of those  5 items, it read "list of 1 item". She thought something was wrong because it hadn't
 read all of the five items. Is there a better way to mark this up so it's obvious the list of 1 item is a sub-list?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I asked if she could tell it was a sub-list because it hadn't reached the end of the 5 items yet, but she was more inclined to not believe the "list of 5 items" was correct.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here's the list:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Main Menu<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
Courses<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
Homework Sets<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Section 1_2<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Passwork/Email<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
Grades<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Karen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Karen M. Sorensen<br>
Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses</span><br>
<a href="http://www.pcc.edu/access" target="_blank">www.pcc.edu/access</a><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif""><br>
Portland Community College<br>
971-722-4720</span><br>
<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.”</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> 
 Tim Berners-Lee</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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