<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I was a bit confused by the article in that the author references the TEACH Act several times, but the letter that ACE wrote to Senator Harkin is in reference to the Higher Education Affordability Act (HEAA) or HEA Reauthorization bill. The HEAA bill does contain most of the TEACH Act content, but there are some differences.<div><br></div><div>One of the differences is in regards to non-compliant instructional materials - the HEAA stipulates that an institution of of higher ed which uses materials that are non-conforming to accessibility requirements would need to provide assurance to the Secretary that the instructional materials will be provided in an accessible format. See Sec. 931, (f) Noncompliant Instructional Materials (<a href="http://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HEAA Discussion Draft Language 6.25.14.pdf">http://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HEAA%20Discussion%20Draft%20Language%206.25.14.pdf</a>). I do not see this same language in the TEACH Act.</div><div><br></div><div>I think there may also an issue regarding the definition of "electronic instructional materials." Perhaps it is defined elsewhere, but while the TEACH Act defines what it means by that terminology, there is no such definition in the HEAA bill.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, it is disappointing to see such a position taken by ACE and the other constituent groups. I was hoping that concerned language would have at least made it into the "Provisions Where Sectors Differ" section in the letter to Sen. Harkin. Clearly, it will require additional conversations with the major groups to develop better support for the instructional materials section.</div><div><br></div><div>Take care,</div><div>Sean</div><div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 6, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Kathleen Cahill <<a href="mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU">kcahill@MIT.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Access Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, September 6, 2014 at 12:39 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:john.gardner@oregonstate.edu">john.gardner@oregonstate.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:john.gardner@oregonstate.edu">john.gardner@oregonstate.edu</a>>, Access Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Athen] text-only DAISY conversion<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Evening John, just getting home.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The only one that I am aware of is the TAMC tool that Kris Von See created. I am not aware of the licensing associated with it but would be more
than happy to look into it. If there is an interest. It was really valuable in the early NIMAS days and actually something I still use when nothing else will work.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 05, 2014 5:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] text-only DAISY conversion<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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</div><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron, are there any open source scripts that convert MS Word XML to something more straightforward? Or even just algorithms. It would be nice to have
something we could all standardize on.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">John<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 05, 2014 11:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
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</div><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Afternoon all, it was my understanding that they were using components of the DAISY Pipeline, which while close is not exactly the same thing. All
the major converters that are using either have for the most part added custom scripting to standardize the output and avoid issues such as those caused in the proprietary markup that you will find in specific XML implementations such as that is found in Docx.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Not sure if it makes any real difference to most of you but this has been one of the challenges that we have faced over the years as we have tried
to move forward with a robust, standardized and easily implemented solution in the AIM space. XML is a specification but it can be implemented in a huge variety of ways and forms.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> athen-list
<a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]">[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]</a><b>On Behalf Of
</b>Heidi Scher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 05, 2014 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] text-only DAISY conversion<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hey there, Sean,<br>
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According to the tech at Bookshare, they use the Save As DAISY plug-in. So not sure why we can't get it to work but they can. For GoRead, it doesn't want all the SMIL files either. But since we're swamped right now, I've moved on since my MacGyver solution
has worked! But, if things ever slow down, I'll revisit the issue - unless someone else can figure out what we haven't.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Wink, I SOOOO wish we had an easy button for conversion!
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479.575.3104<br>
479.575.7445 fax<br>
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<div><div class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Sean Keegan <<a href="mailto:skeegan@stanford.edu" target="_blank">skeegan@stanford.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div><div class="MsoNormal">From what I understand about the DAISY XML file produced by the Save As DAISY plugin is that it is not exactly a text-only DAISY DTB as it is lacking the NCX or SMIL files. It is, essentially, a precursor to producing a DTB. That said,
most DAISY reading apps can handle a DAISY XML file. Perhaps the issue is that the Go Read app will only support a complete DAISY 3 DTB and not the DAISY XML file? <o:p></o:p></div>
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<div><div class="MsoNormal">Glad you were able to get it to work with the ePub conversion with Calibre. It's probably what MacGyver would use instead of his swiss army knife if he did alt media production...<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div><div class="MsoNormal">On Sep 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Heidi Scher <<a href="mailto:hascherdss@gmail.com" target="_blank">hascherdss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thank you everyone for the feedback! I'm passing every little tidbit along to our lab coordinator.<br>
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I need to clarify a couple of points. We are not converting Bookshare books, but are converting the student's course materials. We already do full DAISY as most all of our students love using full DAISY. I'm not having trouble converting to text-only DAISY.
The files are converting and work fine with AMIS. BUT, for students who want to use the GoRead DAISY app for Android, the text-only DAISY that works in AMIS does not work in GoRead.
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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Yesterday I got a wild hair and decided to go a different route. I combined all the Word Docx files that we use for DAISY conversion into one large file. Then ran it through Calibre for ePub. AND...drumroll....it
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</div><div class="MsoNormal">Just more information to put into our arsenal for future reference!
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ARKU 104<br>
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<a href="tel:479.575.3104" target="_blank">479.575.3104</a><br>
<a href="tel:479.575.7445" target="_blank">479.575.7445</a> fax<br>
<a href="tel:479.575.3646" target="_blank">479.575.3646</a> tdd<br>
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<div><div class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Ron Stewart <<a href="mailto:ron@ahead.org" target="_blank">ron@ahead.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">That may be an option, and it still works. Unfortunately Kris is no longer supporting it as far as I am aware.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Ron Stewart</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gaeir Dietrich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 03, 2014 2:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://accessiblemediacenter.techadapt.com/" target="_blank">http://accessiblemediacenter.techadapt.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>
<a href="tel:408-996-6047" target="_blank">408-996-6047</a> or <a href="tel:408-996-4636" target="_blank">
408-996-4636</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]" target="_blank">
[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neal Sorensen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] text-only DAISY conversion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello Heidi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Bookshare books are surprisingly easy to convert to Text Only. Here’s a quick how-to…<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><div>1.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>Unzip the file downloaded from Bookshare, and open the extracted folder.<o:p></o:p></div><div>2.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>Look for the file ending in .XML and open it in an internet browser (I recommend Firefox)<o:p></o:p></div><div>3.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>Copy the full text from the browser and paste it into a word processor.<o:p></o:p></div><div>4.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>Breathe easy<o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">XML file contains the full text, often with Images, with some rich text formatting and pages indicated. XML usually contains styles too, but I don’t think that is included in the
Bookshare XML.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have noticed that newer versions of Mac OS X have had compatibility issues with Bookshare software. Read:OutLoud hasn’t run successfully for me in almost a year on Macs. This
is the best method I have discovered for working around that issue, and still using Bookshare content with those students.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hope this helps!<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Neal Sorensen</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Specialist of Assistive Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Office of Disability Resources</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Naropa University: Boulder, CO</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:nsorensen@naropa.edu" target="_blank">nsorensen@naropa.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Phone:
<a href="tel:303-546-3560" target="_blank">303-546-3560</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The Machine is Us/ing Us:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLlGopyXT_g" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLlGopyXT_g</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">"A wonderful exploration of how new types of text are changing the world…"<o:p></o:p></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><div>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>This semester we've had several students who are needing text-only DAISY so that they can access DAISY on their Android devices. Is anyone out there converting to text-only DAISY? We've been in contact with Bookshare and they use the Save As DAISY plug-in
for Word. But we aren't having any luck getting that to work.<o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>Anyone have any ideas??<o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>Thanks in advance!!<o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>Heidi<o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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