<div dir="ltr">I don't know how to answer the issue of liability/keeping things locked down/paying someone to maintain the database (ie, Susan Kelmer's points). I do know that Ron is right -- I'm constantly struggling to "knowledge hunt" on this issue, and so are my colleagues. In fact, one colleague at Penn State is trying to come up with a way to keep track of all her usability and accessibility testing of various Educational Technology Tools (like VoiceThread, etc). <div><br></div><div>And I personally am trying to track exactly what Ron asks for: got a student who uses x, y, and z assistive technologies (ie, JAWS), what apps will be accessible, what documents will be accessible, etc. </div><div><br></div><div>Seems to me that Josh Hori's trello database is an excellent, crowd source managed start. Right now he has tags for ios, mac, pc, android compatibility. WHile I don't recommend adding tags for JAWS, NVDA, Voice Eye accessibility, for example, because that would require maintenance as opposed to mere compilation, we could create Boards for typical AT and alt media and app configurations. </div><div><br></div><div>For example, a board for "blind student JAWS user in math who prefers tactile and braille". Then a series of cards on that board for a variety of tools AND methods (because you just know that you have to get faculty to teach a little more flexibly, as well as maybe hijink your alt media process a little).</div><div><br></div><div>Like a wiki -- but easier in the sense that you can copy cards from other boards in trello, to do a mix and match selection of tools and processes, and those cards will have already been built (mostly by Josh). </div><div><br></div><div>Your thoughts? Just suggesting this as a tool for now -- until the kinks can be worked out for a full time AT tester/database manager position at ATHEN :)</div><div><br></div><div>-Alexa</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Ron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ronrstewart@gmail.com" target="_blank">ronrstewart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">For the most part the demand is for Applications and their functionality with common AT. For most LTI is geek speach.<div><br></div><div>Ron<br><br>On Thursday, March 26, 2015, Joshua Hori <<a href="mailto:jhori@ucdavis.edu" target="_blank">jhori@ucdavis.edu</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Are we talking about application accessibility, LTI accessibility, or available assistive technology?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I’ve started an <a href="https://trello.com/b/rirGA3kZ/accessible-technology-software" target="_blank">
AT database</a> and I’ve been asking around about LTI information, but there’s nothing being done at the moment. I had documented some applications such as R, MatLab, and Stata, but lost it during a computer crash. Sure wish I had my cloud services available
back then…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Yes, the AT database is accessible. A little wonky with screenreaders but it’s navigable.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Best, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Joshua Hori<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Accessible Technology Analyst<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Student Disability Center<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">54 Cowell Building<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Davis, CA 95616<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:530-752-3184" value="+15307523184" target="_blank">530-752-3184</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list [mailto:<a>athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Stewart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Product evaluation database<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">and that is something that we have talked about for years within ATHEN. Talk is cheap how about some action?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> athen-list [</span><a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Humbert, Joseph A<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Product evaluation database<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="14c5793885fd28d5_14c578e71986365e__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sounds like a valuable ATHEN membership benefit if it was created and maintained by ATHEN ;-) ;-)</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thankx,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Joe<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Product evaluation database<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I agree. It would be really great to have this available to all of us. We get the same questions over and over about products, and if there were a database to access, those questions would certainly lessen.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Two concerns:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#1f497d">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="color:#1f497d">Who is going to make the database and keep it maintained? Should this be a paid position, or at least something of a stipend given for keeping it going?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="color:#1f497d">I am actually uncomfortable with keeping this locked away – yes, I understand liability, but we are asking basic questions here about accessibility of software/apps/programs/websites, and that information should be available
to anyone looking for it. I am making the assumption that people would be looking at the information as part of their planning and investigation of a product that is being recommended for use by administration, etc., so any and all information is going to
be useful as part of that investigation. I think keeping us liability-free is more a matter of writing effective content that is not filled with opinion, but instead informative and descriptive. VPATs could be included as part of the entry on a product,
but should not be the only content.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d">Susan Kelmer<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d">Alternate Format Access Coordinator<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d">Disability Services<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d">University of Colorado Boulder<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:303-735-4836" value="+13037354836" target="_blank">303-735-4836</a><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list [<a>mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Stewart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'; <a>
aheadmembers@listserve.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Product evaluation database<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Good morning all, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Once again an extreme need has surfaced and that is a need for a database of educational product accessibility evaluations that are readily available. This does not need to be a totally open resource, due
to liability issues a subscription or closed membership system would be find.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I am not talking about VPATS, in most instances they have shown to be not worth the time it took to write them. What I am looking for are real evaluations, that also include what was used for the evaluation.
We have talked about this a lot but nothing ever seems to come of it. Any insights would be greatly appreciated.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ron Stewart<u></u><u></u></p>
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