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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hello all, I pinged Jonathan Godfrey, the acknowledged blind guru on statistics access about the SPSS question. Here’s what he has to say. Hope it is useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Godfrey, Jonathan [mailto:A.J.Godfrey@massey.ac.nz]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Gardner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] SPSS Version 22 access with JAWS Version 16<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">Hello John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">I guess I am more positive about SPSS than the correspondence below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">If SPSS is installed properly, including the Java access bridge, then it should work. I suspect it does not work the same way as it does for sighted users though. That is, the professor needs to
be totally hands off and let the student fiddle about. The best results come when the student learns about storing the commands (syntax) and tabs around dialogues using the standard screen reader approaches that should be familiar to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">I am not happy that SPSS is so tied to the one screen reader and therefore do not consider it as accessible software.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">As you are well aware, I feel R offers the best possible service to blind users, with SAS a close but definite second. N.B. this is from an access point of view. I believe R is more useful to a wider
range of students than SAS (sighted or blind) and that the number of R users offering assistance is greater in many universities than SAS. Local conditions should be considered when students make their choices. If the staff are better equipped to support use
of SAS over R, then they should use SAS. It is however preferable that the student work alongside their classmates using SPSS because that does offer the best support climate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">See: <a href="http://R-Resources.massey.ac.nz">
http://R-Resources.massey.ac.nz</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">For lots more including copies of papers on this topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> John Gardner [mailto:john.gardner@viewplus.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 20 August 2015 6:08 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> Godfrey, Jonathan<br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: [Athen] SPSS Version 22 access with JAWS Version 16<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jonathan, my memory is that you are a bit more positive on SPSS than this report. Do I remember right? Do you have any input I could share with this list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Teresa Haven<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] SPSS Version 22 access with JAWS Version 16<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi, Jeff. We explored SPSS 22 and JAWS (multiple versions – 14, 15, and 16) last academic year. We could technically get it working, but it was highly unstable even on a high-powered machine, and would never
consistently work with JAWS through a single work session. There didn’t seem to be any one trigger for collapse, but at some random point in every work session, JAWS would simply stop talking in SPSS, although it would continue to function otherwise, and the
only solution would be to exit SPSS, reboot the computer, and start over, which wasn’t productive. Our major testers were a faculty member/Ph.D. student who uses JAWS on a regular basis and his statistics professor, who is interested in improving the accessibility
of his courses, in the context of a graduate-level statistics course, so the software combination got a lot of testing by experienced end users. We’re hoping IBM will continue to work on the issue and make more strides in improving the accessibility of the
product. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sorry to not have better results to report,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Teresa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Teresa Haven, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bishop, Jeff - (jeffbis)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] SPSS Version 22 access with JAWS Version 16<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have a student that will be enrolling in a statistics course this fall. They will be utilizing SPSS version 22. I know from looking at IBM’s documentation that it is possible to get it set up using the Java Access Bridge. Does anyone
here have experience with this and once configured how accessible SPSS is with JAWS? Has anyone also explored other options running in iOS or on the Mac for this type of application?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
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