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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have had real problems with creating PDF forms from old Word documents (pre-DOCX versions of Word). In my experience, not even saving the old DOC as a DOCX solves the problem. My standard recommendation now when doing forms from Word is to recreate the document from scratch as a DOCX (if it did not begin life as a DOCX) and then use the Make Accessible Wizard. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have talked to a number of folks, though, who are just skipping Word entirely and recreating forms from scratch in Adobe Pro itself using Adobe FormsCentral. The folks who use that method swear by it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>HTCTU Director<br>408-996-6047</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Madeleine Rothberg<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 03, 2015 11:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Touch Up Reading Order issue on Adobe Acrobat Pro<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:black'>Adam,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:black'>It looks like the tool used to</span><span style='color:black'> create and export the PDF is adding garbage to the tag tree. Perhaps both the good text and the gibberish are in the tag tree, and when you re-order them the good tags are getting moved. Have you looked at the tag tree as well as the reading order?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Finding the original document and either making it accessible or figuring out a better way to export it are probably your best options. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-Madeleine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Madeleine Rothberg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Senior Subject Matter Expert<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>National Center for Accessible Media at WGBH<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><a href="http://ncam.wgbh.org">http://ncam.wgbh.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:madeleine_rothberg@wgbh.org">madeleine_rothberg@wgbh.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='color:black'>Adam Kosakowski <<a href="mailto:kosakowskia@wcsu.edu">kosakowskia@wcsu.edu</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:24 PM<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:'athen-list@u.washington.edu">'athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>'" <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[Athen] Touch Up Reading Order issue on Adobe Acrobat Pro<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hello Listers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I am working on making a student survey form accessible, but I am having issues with assigning a logical reading order. When I first open the PDF file, Read and Write’s PDF Aloud can read it OK (just in a bad order), but after I start reordering it, it begins to be read as jibberish! I attached a screen shot pointing out what I mean. Just in case if the attachment doesn’t go through, something that used to be read as “Fall 2015 Student Satisfaction Survey” is now being read as “FGHHIJKLMNOPQRSOING…” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I have been unable to find any mention online of “PDF tagging changes read text to jibberish” and in general I am not sure what to enter into Google here! Any insight would be appreciated! In the mean time I am going to see if I can get my hands on the original file, maybe it was not a PDF file originally and I can make the original file accessible instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Adam Kosakowski, M.Ed.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Assistive Technology Specialist and Math Specialist, University Assistant</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>AccessAbility Services</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Western Connecticut State University</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>181 White Street, Higgins Annex 017</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Danbury, CT 06810</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Telephone: 203-837-8225 TTY:<b> </b>203-837-3235 FAX: 203-837-8848</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Email: <a href="mailto:kosakowskia@wcsu.edu">kosakowskia@wcsu.edu</a> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.wcsu.edu/accessability">www.wcsu.edu/accessability</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>