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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Interesting. It shouldn’t matter whether the original Word document is a DOC or DOCX because you always start a form with an untagged PDF. This means you would have gone Print > Adobe PDF as the printer. The form controls are added to the untagged PDF as well as any links (using the Create links from URL’s tool in Acrobat) and then the document is tagged.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Can you send me the version of the PDF just before this happened? Please send off list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gaeir Dietrich<br><b>Sent:</b> December 3, 2015 4:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Touch Up Reading Order issue on Adobe Acrobat Pro<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I have had real problems with creating PDF forms from old Word documents (pre-DOCX versions of Word). In my experience, not even saving the old DOC as a DOCX solves the problem. My standard recommendation now when doing forms from Word is to recreate the document from scratch as a DOCX (if it did not begin life as a DOCX) and then use the Make Accessible Wizard. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I have talked to a number of folks, though, who are just skipping Word entirely and recreating forms from scratch in Adobe Pro itself using Adobe FormsCentral. The folks who use that method swear by it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>HTCTU Director<br>408-996-6047</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> athen-list [</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Madeleine Rothberg<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 03, 2015 11:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Touch Up Reading Order issue on Adobe Acrobat Pro<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times",serif;color:black'>Adam,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times",serif;color:black'>It looks like the tool used to</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> create and export the PDF is adding garbage to the tag tree. Perhaps both the good text and the gibberish are in the tag tree, and when you re-order them the good tags are getting moved. Have you looked at the tag tree as well as the reading order?</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Finding the original document and either making it accessible or figuring out a better way to export it are probably your best options. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>-Madeleine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Madeleine Rothberg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Senior Subject Matter Expert<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>National Center for Accessible Media at WGBH<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://ncam.wgbh.org"><span lang=EN-US>http://ncam.wgbh.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:madeleine_rothberg@wgbh.org"><span lang=EN-US>madeleine_rothberg@wgbh.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Adam Kosakowski <</span><a href="mailto:kosakowskia@wcsu.edu"><span lang=EN-US>kosakowskia@wcsu.edu</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Access Technology Higher Education Network <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span lang=EN-US>athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:24 PM<br><b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:'athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span lang=EN-US>'athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>'" <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span lang=EN-US>athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>><br><b>Subject: </b>[Athen] Touch Up Reading Order issue on Adobe Acrobat Pro<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Hello Listers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>I am working on making a student survey form accessible, but I am having issues with assigning a logical reading order. When I first open the PDF file, Read and Write’s PDF Aloud can read it OK (just in a bad order), but after I start reordering it, it begins to be read as jibberish! I attached a screen shot pointing out what I mean. Just in case if the attachment doesn’t go through, something that used to be read as “Fall 2015 Student Satisfaction Survey” is now being read as “FGHHIJKLMNOPQRSOING…” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>I have been unable to find any mention online of “PDF tagging changes read text to jibberish” and in general I am not sure what to enter into Google here! Any insight would be appreciated! In the mean time I am going to see if I can get my hands on the original file, maybe it was not a PDF file originally and I can make the original file accessible instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Adam Kosakowski, M.Ed.</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Assistive Technology Specialist and Math Specialist, University Assistant</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>AccessAbility Services</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Western Connecticut State University</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>181 White Street, Higgins Annex 017</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Danbury, CT 06810</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Telephone: 203-837-8225 TTY:<b> </b>203-837-3235 FAX: 203-837-8848</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Email: </span><a href="mailto:kosakowskia@wcsu.edu"><span lang=EN-US>kosakowskia@wcsu.edu</span></a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.wcsu.edu/accessability"><span lang=EN-US>www.wcsu.edu/accessability</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>