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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi ATHENITES,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn’t work, doggone it all. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format – Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><h4><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>"</span>There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations.<o:p></o:p></h4><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>In MathType, in the<b> Size</b> menu choose<b> Define</b>, and<b> </b>set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>In MathType's <b>Preferences</b> menu choose <b>Web and GIF Preferences</b>. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to <b>Smooth edges (anti-aliasing)</b>.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the <b>Save</b> command in the <b>File </b>menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the <b>Save As</b> dialog is open, check the<b> Save as type</b> section to make sure it says<b> Graphics Interchange Format</b>.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>In Google Docs, click the <b>Insert Image</b> icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click <b>Browse</b> to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click <b>Open</b>, then back in the <b>Insert Image</b> dialog, click <b>OK</b>.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners <b>while holding down the Shift key</b>, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation."<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Here's the link:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype">https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code…; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wink<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wink Harner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alternative Text & Media Production<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Foreigntype<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com"><span style='color:blue'>foreigntype@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:winkharner1113@gmail.com"><span style='color:blue'>winkharner1113@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cooper Black","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cooper Black","serif";color:#1F497D'>(Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Brandt<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns <</span><a href="mailto:samanj@pdx.edu"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>samanj@pdx.edu</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hello, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline;outline:0px'><a href="http://www.pdx.edu/oai/" target="_blank"><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1155CC;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=319 height=19 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.png@01D17946.EF3318F0" alt="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png"></span></b></a><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline;outline:0px'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'>Samantha Johns</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline;outline:0px'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'>Accessibility & Course Support Specialist </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline;outline:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Portland State University</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>1825 SW Broadway</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209<br>Portland OR 97201<br>(503) 725-2754</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe <</span><a href="mailto:E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>Hello,<br><br>Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. <br><br>This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 </span><a href="http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. <br><br>Best wishes,<br>Emma Cliffe<br><br>Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer<br>University of Bath<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hello Athen Community, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Have a great day!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><a href="http://www.pdx.edu/oai/" target="_blank"><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1155CC;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image003.png@01D17948.5044FE00" alt="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png"></span></b></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Samantha Johns</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Accessibility & Course Support Specialist </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Portland State University</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>1825 SW Broadway</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209<br>Portland OR 97201<br></span><a href="tel:%28503%29%20725-2754" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(503) 725-2754</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>athen-list mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br></span><a href="http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=M2Signature><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--<br>Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services<br>Accessibility Technician<br>Alternate Media Formats Technician<br>SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260<br><br>Assistive Technology Support and Appointments:<br></span><a href="mailto:access-tech-group@pcc.edu"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>access-tech-group@pcc.edu</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>971-722-TECH (971-722-8324)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>