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<p class="MsoPlainText">Thank you to everyone who responded to my inquiry on the ATHEN and HTCTU Alt Media listservs. Many of you responded to me privately as well... I very much appreciate your input!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Marc Trinh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">CSU, Fullerton<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gaeir Dietrich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 21, 2016 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared R&W<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I believe someone else might have pointed this out, but it is good to keep in mind that of the products under discussion, only Kurzweil has a version (the K1000) that works for individuals who are blind.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All of the other software we are considering is really LD focused, and the full-range of features are not available to someone who cannot use a mouse—nor are the other programs set up to be used without vision.
Even when keyboard shortcuts are present, the whole interface is set up visually, and many of the choices are inherently visual. K1000, on the other, is really designed to be used without vision (self-voicing menus, for instance).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">One of the nice things about the Kurzweil products is that both K3000 and K1000 can use the same KESI files. You can create files on either program and use them with either program.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If you go with a competing product, it would be good to spend a few minutes considering how you will accommodate any users who are blind who wish to use scanning and reading software.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>
HTCTU Director<br>
408-996-6047</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Nast, Joseph M [<a href="mailto:Joseph.M.Nast@lonestar.edu">mailto:Joseph.M.Nast@lonestar.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'gdietrich@htctu.net'; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">FYI here's a link to a comparison chart; it's a little dated, but it gives you a nice "bird's eye view" feature comparison of Kurzweil, R&WG, ClaroRead and WYNN:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.spectronics.com.au/downloads/faqs/Literacy-Support-Software-Comparison-Chart.pdf">http://www.spectronics.com.au/downloads/faqs/Literacy-Support-Software-Comparison-Chart.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Fortunately, we have the luxury of employing both systems at Lone Star College, but it'd be a hard call if I had to choose one or the other. If pressed, I would probably go with R&WG, simply because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- I can use the Managed version in our assessment center instead of providing a human reader, and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">- the fact that new users find it easier to pick up quickly.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">However, I'd definitely miss Kurzweil's more extensive writing help features. Not to mention KZ's ability to scan, efficiently OCR, and create audio for entire textbooks (R&WG can only handle a dozen or so pages at a time ).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Let me know if you have any questions. Hope it helps!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gaeir Dietrich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 18, 2016 8:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If you are really looking to compare these two programs, I would suggest expanding your choices a bit and looking at ClaroRead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">ClaroRead is a simple LD reading tool with one extremely unique powerful feature, when you use it to run OCR, it allows you to delete zones that you do not wish to OCR. Kurzweil and R/W automatically do everything
on the page. Most students, however, prefer not to have all the captions, footnotes, etc. read. Claro gives you the choice of including them or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">And of the three, Claro is the least expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>
HTCTU Director<br>
408-996-6047</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 18, 2016 7:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have to jump in here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also
has some reading functions in PDFs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><R><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text
with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><R><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">R&W also provides these features.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week,
and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech
quality doesn’t matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><R><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don’t see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study
notes, improves student’s abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material.</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><R><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Robert Lee Beach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kansas City Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">7250 State Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kansas City, KS 66112<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">913-288-7671<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda Petty<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regarding the original question:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">\ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">programs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">[CSUF logo]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I’d say that the major advantages of K-3000 are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also
has some reading functions in PDFs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text
with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week,
and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech
quality doesn’t matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study
notes, improves student’s abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and
they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">(We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#111A58">Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.)<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Assistive Technology Consultant<br>
Access<i>Ability</i> Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#111A58">UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Science Wing, Room SW302G<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4<br>
Direct Line: 416-208-5144<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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