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<p>What I've seen is that things can be marked up as tables, and the
s.r. announces them as such, but you can't navigate them like
that. And most often, that is because the table is really being
used for presentation.</p>
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<p>Yes, it's very puzzling that screen readers are
intervening/trying to interpret, and as far as I know, JFW is the
one that's doing this most.</p>
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<p>Perhaps it would be beneficial to see if folks who are working on
Canvas accessibility directly can explain what's going on more
clearly than I have been able to do, here.</p>
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<p>Jennifer</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/19/2016 12:12 PM, Robert Beach
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It’s more than
that. The screen readers aren’t even recognizing that it is
a table. There are no rows or columns at all except when I
use Fire Fox with NVDA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Very puzzling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Robert Lee
Beach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Assistive
Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kansas City
Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">7250 State
Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kansas City,
KS 66112<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Phone:
913-288-7671<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Email: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">
rbeach@kckcc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gaeir Dietrich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><athen-list@u.washington.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] screen readers recognizing
tables on webpages<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I know in Word,
you would need to mark the header row on the table for it to
interact properly with a screen reader. I have been told
that Canvas also allows the header row to be marked, so I
would suspect that improper mark-up is the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gaeir
(rhymes with "fire") Dietrich<br>
HTCTU Director<br>
408-996-6047</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
athen-list [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 11:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] screen readers recognizing
tables on webpages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hey all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I had a very interesting situation. I was
working in Canvas and came across a list of items. Supposedly
this was a table with three columns. In Internet Explorer,
neither JAWS nor NVDA would recognize it as a table but did
read the information. Unfortunately I could not tell what
items were in which columns. Using FireFox, JAWS still did
not recognize the table, but NVDA did.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is this a matter of the way the instructor
created the table? Is it a matter of the LMS using
non-standard code? I would like to let the instructor know
how to fix this if it is possible for him to do so.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Robert Lee
Beach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Assistive
Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kansas City
Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">7250 State
Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kansas City,
KS 66112<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Phone:
913-288-7671<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Email: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">
rbeach@kckcc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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