<div dir="ltr">Rather than "screenreader accessible" can we shoot for "accessible" instead?<div><br></div><div>We have run into many instances where a screenreader can operate where a sighted keyboard user cannot.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy Friday :)</div><div><br></div><div>-*- Dan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Howard Kramer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hkramer@ahead.org" target="_blank">hkramer@ahead.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Peter.<div><br></div><div>-Howard</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Bossley, Peter A. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu" target="_blank">bossley.5@osu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is worth noting that Firefox + NVDA is our default testing combination because it brings you closest to modern web standards + modern screen reader without some of the guessing
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with their frameworks are probably going to be troublesome on one level or another for screen reader reliant users.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5"><div><div class="m_-4795608450900650392h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox
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