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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Richwine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 10, 2017 6:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Steve,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had not seen the Hawkes learning resource before. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It does seen that there needs to be guidance on how to design MathML for accessibility... with a a section on design considerations to help publishers understand what can and cannot be accessibly interpreted from an auditory or braille
representation of MathML. Especially if there were some examples of what not to do with an accompanying explanation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think in this case, the publisher took a textbook that was originally typeset in Tex and converted parts of it into MathML from that Tex and then published that as what they intended to be an accessible HTML eBook. Unfortunately it apparently
was not done with an awareness of if the resulting MathML was or was not appropriate for accessibility purposes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm trying to figure out what the best constructive feedback is I can provide to them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Brian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:05 PM, <<a href="mailto:steve.noble@louisville.edu" target="_blank">steve.noble@louisville.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Here are a few resources to consider:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://www.hawkeslearning.com/Accessibility/guides/mathml_content.html" target="_blank">http://www.hawkeslearning.com/Accessibility/guides/mathml_content.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://www.daisy.org/z3986/structure/SG-DAISY3/part2-math.html" target="_blank">http://www.daisy.org/z3986/structure/SG-DAISY3/part2-math.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">There is need for much more documentation of best practices in this area, but little funding to provide the people-hours to write it up. Gives me an idea of a grant proposal I need
to write. But, alas, the reviewers probably won't understand the importance and it will never get funded. Perhaps something the Benetech Standards Workgroup is planning to address.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">--Steve Noble<br>
<a href="mailto:steve.noble@louisville.edu" target="_blank">steve.noble@louisville.edu</a><br>
<a href="tel:(502)%20969-3088" target="_blank">502-969-3088</a><br>
<a href="http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble" target="_blank">http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
on behalf of Brian Richwine [<a href="mailto:blrichwine@gmail.com" target="_blank">blrichwine@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 10, 2017 4:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Do anyone know of a guidance document for creating proper MathML for accessibility? Kind of a WCAG for MathML?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">A major publisher provided us what they are calling an accessible HTML textbook. However, the MathML employed in the textbook is designed for display formatting instead of as appropriate for a non-visual user. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">By display MathML I mean that the MathML makes heavy use of mtables (including multiple levels of nested mtables) to layout equations and annotation of equations within a multi-columnar/multi-row arrangement. The
tables do not linearize logically. When it's not a total mess, the non-visual user would still have to develop an spacial 2D guess as how the math equation is arranged and then analyze the multiple nested tables into a 2D space around that equation before
making any sense of the annotation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">If possible, I'm looking for some official or at least respected source of this information so that the publisher will take the feedback as credible. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I'd also be interested if anyone has had successful conversations with a publisher regarding appropriate use of MathML in textbooks for accessibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> Brian Richwine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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