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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-CA link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint…so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I typically don’t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don’t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don’t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn’t catch it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don’t “need” it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing “graphic, quote, quote” or “Graphic quote, space, quote” and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of “graphic, quote, quote.” The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Some techniques don’t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t)<br><b>Sent:</b> February 22, 2017 10:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would this be true of PowerPoint as well?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>What does the “Title” field do?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks so much for all of your guidance!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>Lori<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US>On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:info@karlencommunications.com">info@karlencommunications.com</a>> wrote:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Preast, Vanessa<br><b>Sent:</b> February 22, 2017 10:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Select image</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Right click image and select “Format picture…” (Alt + JP, O)</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Select “Layout & Properties”</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Go to “Alt text”</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Leave Title field blank</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>In the Description field, add a concise description of the image</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Thanks,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Vanessa</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karlen Communications<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Preast, Vanessa<br><b>Sent:</b> February 22, 2017 8:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>If this is the case…. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I’m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Best,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Vanessa</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karlen Communications<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says “question” when it comes across an image with Alt Text…so not in your imagination…it isn’t consistently reading the Alt text.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph Sherman<br><b>Sent:</b> February 21, 2017 1:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads “Blank”. It will read text in the Title box if it exists.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Joseph </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>