<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p>I suppose I would go with what Gaeir said. I should *think*
there'd be less need for multiple h1s in Word and PDFs, but that's
based on my experience. Your mileage may vary.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
I would *imagine* multiple h1s might not be ideal from a visual
standpoint, whether on web or in documents, but I suppose that'd
depend on your documentation settings/ability to control.<br>
<br>
When I see multiple h1s on a web page, especially, I pretty much
figure that whoever's built it doesn't actually know anything about
using headings to convey structure/meaning, so my sense of how
they're using headings is called into question. Or I might know
enough to figure out that the system they're using didn't give them
control. I'm less suspicious of multiples of other heading levels,
beyond 1. And when I write a Word document, I never use more than
one heading. But this could all just be one person's experience.<br>
<br>
What I would say is that, in my experience (both my lived experience
and my experience of working with developers and content creators),
consistency is really helpful within a site or document for
*everyone*.<br>
<br>
What I was trying to get at was that you seem clear on the web, and
I don't think it's as cut and dry as I would expect Word and PDFs to
be., given that the issue's been being debated for years.<br>
<br>
My point is that everyone wants a one-size-fits-all solution, and it
doesn't really work like that in my experience of the real world,
i.e. across websites, LMSs, CMSs on various platforms, and
documents. Now, if your office has the power to enforce something
campus-wide . . . but that's not been feasible/realistic in my
world.<br>
It all depends on which "rigidity" battles you choose to/are able to
fight.<br>
<br>
In my experience, accessibility is as much about philosophy as it is
about checkpoints/*current*/feasible best practices. If somebody's
going to create wide-reaching guidance, then I think it helps to
know the risks and realities of the debates.<br>
<br>
I am sorry that my detailed response may have confused you; I'll
remember that people on this list tend to prefer less minutia than
I'm inclined to give. It's not a problem; I just need to curb my
tendencies to share history/speak/raise issues from that standpoint.<br>
<br>
Good luck.<br>
Jennifer<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/2017 6:20 PM, Preast, Vanessa
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:DM5PR02MB23156A164BC4B18A327200FB8E300@DM5PR02MB2315.namprd02.prod.outlook.com"
type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered
medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Verdana;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
color:black;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
pre
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";
color:black;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
span.HTMLPreformattedChar
{mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted";
font-family:Consolas;
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle22
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Should
I take this to mean that it is OK to apply Heading 1 more
than once in a Word document as long as one does so
consistently?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Vanessa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
athen-list
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jennifer Sutton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><athen-list@u.washington.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Heading 1 best practice:
document vs web<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>For my money, best practices for documents are clearer than
they are for the web. See citations of recent discussions,
below. I believe it's critical to be realistic when it comes
to heading recommendations, especially on the web.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Basically, I think there are a lot bigger "accessibility fish
to fry" than trying to be absolutely rigid about the idea of
one h1 on a webpage.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I think it's hard, and not realistic, to have a
one-size-fits-all rule on the web, given the use of content
management systems. So, for the web, I focus on the idea of
*consistent* use of headings, and that benefits everyone,
including those who are in charge of style sheets.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>But for documents, my tendency would be to say: "if it works
like a book, make it work like a book . . . i.e. h1 is your
title, so there should be only one." Documents are much easier
to control, or, they *can* be, depending on tools and
competency. Given all of the document checkers and toolbars
for accessibility that are around, they should be helping make
Word documents and PDFs better.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Jennifer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Three citations, mostly web-focused and two of the three
based on recent discussions of trying to automate headings:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>The myth of automated heading outlines<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sarahebourne.posthaven.com/the-myth-of-automated-heading-outlines">http://sarahebourne.posthaven.com/the-myth-of-automated-heading-outlines</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>The Document Outline Dilemma:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://css-tricks.com/document-outline-dilemma/">https://css-tricks.com/document-outline-dilemma/</a><br>
[longer than the citation above, but includedto help
understand that this is not simple/clearcut and why, imo]<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">A page in a WAI tutorial, in progress:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/page-structure/headings/">http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/page-structure/headings/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/25/2017 12:42 PM, Preast, Vanessa wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I’m
trying to put together a best practice handbook for our
stakeholders. While H1 use is clear for webpages, I have
not really been able to get a consensus answer on using
Heading 1 in documents. Is Heading 1 always only used once
to mark the title, or can it be used multiple times in a
Word document? If the former, it seems to not fit well
with the auto-generated table of contents, which pulls in
H1, H2 and H3 by default…. What about book chapters vs
book title?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">True
or False?</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">
Heading 1 can be used multiple times within a MS Word
document assuming the rest of the headings are nested
appropriately. (Unlike a webpage which only uses Heading 1
once per page).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If
there is a definitive answer on using Headings in
documents, can you refer me to them? I want to make sure
I’m providing the best information.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Vanessa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>athen-list mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu">athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list">http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
athen-list mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu">athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list">http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>