<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">The quotation "captioning is a waste of time" is “jarring” too because it does not take into account many people who benefit from it—e.g., English language learners, those who want to know the spelling of words, those who are noisy or noiseless environments, etc…<div>Sheryl</div><div><br><div><div>On May 17, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Leyna Bencomo <<a href="mailto:lbencomo@uccs.edu">lbencomo@uccs.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It’s great to get first-hand opinions. Kudos to you, Lynn for teaching your daughter to read captions when she was so young. Thank you for sharing.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Leyna Bencomo<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Information Technology<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">University of Colorado Colorado Springs<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Colorado Springs, CO 80918<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">(719) 255-4202 /<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lbencomo@uccs.edu" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">lbencomo@uccs.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Calibri Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="http://www.uccs.edu/~it/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">http://www.uccs.edu/~it/</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><image001.gif></span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lynn Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:36 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Athen] Food for Thought: Research in Machine ASL Translation<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Really interesting article and future developments may prove invaluable to Deaf sign language-users.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">I do agree that captions can be difficult to read with lower levels of reading skill. It also depends on how they are done though. Moving captions are very difficult to read if you need to look at words for a length of time. Much easier if they are static on the screen.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">It will also depend on whether written English is the native language. The difference in word order for ASL/BSL can mean that the reader is slower and so captions can be difficult to read. It is the same for Deaf or hearing speakers of other languages too. I often advised academic staff that a transcript of videos may prove more useful than captions but this is a matter of student choice. Students with dyslexia, dyspraxia and AD(H)D also reported that they found captions distracting so captions that can be switiched off are good.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">My daughter is profoundly Deaf and had her first hearing aids at 3 months old. I put all available captions on TV when she was very small so she got used to them. She learnt to speak nouns and verbs fairly easily but conjunctions were difficult so I taught her to use them by reading them first. By the time she was 5 years old she was getting a good idea of what was going on in children’s TV programmes (those that were captioned). She reports that captions were vital to her through secondary school and university.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Lynn<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Nast, Joseph<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>17 May 2017 16:15<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Athen] Food for Thought: Research in Machine ASL Translation<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 28px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Interesting article on <a href="http://slate.com">slate.com</a>:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 28px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 28px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/05/computer_avatars_can_translate_written_spoken_words_into_sign_language.html" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/05/computer_avatars_can_translate_written_spoken_words_into_sign_language.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 28px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 28px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Particularly jarring quote from Harley Hamilton, computer scientist at Georgia Tech affiliated with the Center for Accessible Technology in Sign (<a href="http://www.cats.gatech.edu/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">http://www.cats.gatech.edu/</a>): “For kids, captioning is almost a waste of time… ”<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 28px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 28px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">NOTE: According to the article, Mr. Hamilton’s reasoning seems to stem from Galludet University’s 2011 report entitled “Reading Research & Deaf Children” (<a href="http://vl2.gallaudet.edu/files/8713/9216/6286/research-brief-4-reading-and-deaf-children.pdf" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">http://vl2.gallaudet.edu/files/8713/9216/6286/research-brief-4-reading-and-deaf-children.pdf</a>) which reports 18-year-olds who are deaf on average have a reading level that “… has remained relatively stable at the third to fourth grade level for more than half a century.”<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;">Joseph M. 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