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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi Susan:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Another solution may be to use Pandoc to convert math documents to HTML, which has the advantage of faster conversion of multiple files and “cleaner” HTML output. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>You can convert DOCX files to HTML using Pandoc. In that case, you would not be using DOCX + MathType equations but DOCX + OMML equations as your starting point:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>You can then export to HTML using either the MathML or MathJax switch:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>pandoc input.docx -s --mathjax -o output.html<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>pandoc input.docx -s --mathml -o output.html<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If you are using Pandoc, this has been my experience using JAWS (v. 18):<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>- HTML + MathJax + IE sort of works (except for basic math - fractions)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>- HTML + MathJax + Google Chrome works best (no problems with basic math)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Note: In the past I had been to use pandoc to output to HTML + MathML and then use JAWS (v.18) + Firefox but I just tested with Firefox Quantum and this no longer seems to work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Yet, another option with Pandoc is to convert LaTeX files or Markdown files (with LaTeX equations) to HTML + MathJax. The argument would be similar:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>pandoc input.text -s --mathjax -o output.html<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>pandoc input.md -s --mathjax -o output.html<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Finally, if your student reads LaTex and uses a Braille display, you may want to check out a tool called <a href="https://github.com/TUD-INF-IAI-MCI/AGSBS-infrastructure">Matuc</a>, which has Pandoc as its file conversion engine and <a href="https://github.com/humenda/GladTeX">GladTex</a> as its module for processing LaTex, because it can convert a markdown file with LaTeX equations to HTML where the LaTeX is rendered as PNG images with LaTeX as the alt-text. (The German developers of these tools have said that their blind population prefers to read HTML files with PNG + LaTeX as alt text since the LaTeX is consistently displayed on their RBD and this method makes speech output of the math equation from a screen reader unnecessary).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>BTW, the Matuc tool can also be used to output to HTML + MathJax. Contact me off list if you are interested and I can share more information about Matuc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Joseph Polizzotto<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>HTCTU Instructor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>408-996-6044<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.htctu.net/"><span style='color:windowtext'>www.htctu.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>-----Original Message-----</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu]</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:02 AM</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>list@u.washington.edu></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>We have MathType 6.9b, so the latest (as far as I know). We don't have an</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>html5 option, and I've been using the Math + MathJax. Will try xhtml +</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>mathML option and see if that output reads better.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Thanks for the input. Any other advice, please share!</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>-Susan</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>-----Original Message-----</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>From: athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a>]</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:52 AM</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>athen-</span></a></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>>list@u.washington.edu</span></a>></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Hi Susan,</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>The HTML5+MathML flavor will show up on the list of choices when the</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>"MathML using..." drop down list is active in the MathPage dialog. If you don't</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>see it, you must have an old version of MathType. You might want to consider</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>updating. However, you ought to still have the MathML+MathJax option,</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>unless you have a really old version. If you don't have that either, then try the</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>XHTML+MathML option. That should work in Firefox ESR with JAWS.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>--Steve</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>________________________________________</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>From: athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a>> on</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>behalf of Susan Kelmer <<a href="mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu</span></a>></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:39 PM</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>from Word and MathType? Is there a different setting I should be using to</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless. He is</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>character. And we need to figure out a way to make this work.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>-Susan</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>-----Original Message-----</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>From: athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a>]</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>To: <a href="mailto:DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU</span></a>; Access Technology Higher Education</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a>></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Window-Eyes used to work...and still may.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. 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class=MsoPlainText>>________________________________________</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>From: athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a>> on</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>behalf of Susan Kelmer <<a href="mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu</span></a>></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>To: <a href="mailto:DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU</span></a>; Access Technology Higher</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Education Network</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>He has mathplayer installed.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>need to.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end,</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Thanks in advance for any and all assistance.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Susan Kelmer</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>of Colorado Boulder</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>303-735-4836</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>_______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>athen-list mailing list</p><p class=MsoPlainText>><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><a 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