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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Cassandra:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I see. On second thought, you’re right. I don’t see why one would have to use MathType at all! Your workflow looks good to me:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:76.5pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Import math document from ABBYY into MS Word</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:76.5pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Use EquatIO to input the math equations one-by-one.  EquatIO has several ways one can enter math equations:  using TeX, handwriting, prediction, or voice</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:76.5pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Read with Read&Write toolbar</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I agree that faculty and some alternate media specialists might prefer to use handwriting recognition or prediction or voice recognition to author the math. They could then upload these files into Google Docs and have their students read their documents with the Read and Write toolbar there as well. Makes a lot of sense. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>BTW, I remember that when I tested EquatIO for Google Chrome, there were some higher levels of math for which the EquatIO input methods did not work so well. Perhaps, they have already added more support. This is something else to test.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for recommending the workflow,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cassandra Tex<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2018 4:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Converting Math Books<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Joseph,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your insights.  I was thinking of EquatIO primarily from the faculty or alternate media specialist’s perspective.  </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Perhaps I’m missing something, but I was thinking that if EquatIO  was used, MathType would not be needed.  I was thinking that a possible workflow to create DOCX files using EquatIO for Windows could be:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:40.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Import math document from ABBYY into MS Word</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:40.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Use EquatIO to input the math equations one-by-one.  EquatIO has several ways one can enter math equations:  using TeX, handwriting, prediction, or voice</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:40.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Read with Read&Write toolbar</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Am I missing something with EquatIO??</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Agreed, Central Access Reader’s ability to read math is great, but I think it would so much quicker to write an equation in EquatIO than using MathType.  Trying to find a way to leverage the different input methods of EquatIO.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Just a thought…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Cassandra</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list [mailto:<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph Polizzotto<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2018 4:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Converting Math Books</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Cassandra:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am familiar with EquatIO and it is indeed a move in the right direction.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Here’s my two cents:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>For a student with a learning disability like dycalculia, EquatIO offers a rich, multisensory environment that enhances their learning experience. Inputting math via voice and then hearing it read back can be very helpful for retaining math concepts and for learning how to “speak math”. Hearing the math problem read out loud in line with the surrounding text can contextualize the math better as well. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I like the emphasis on TeX math because it offers another method for students with visual impairments to author math documents and share them with their instructors (if they know TeX!). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The TeX integration can also be leveraged by the alternate media specialist to convert short math documents into an accessible format for LD students.  Here’s a possible workflow to create DOCX files using EquatIO for Windows:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Import Math document from ABBYY into MS Word</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Create MathType equations</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Use Toggle TeX button in MathType to convert MathType equations to TeX math</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Insert TeX equations (one-by-one?) into EquatIO editor to convert</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Read with R&W toolbar</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If you are using EquatIO for Google Docs, I would add an extra step (after 3) of uploading the Word file into Google Docs. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I could think of other workflows if you have LaTeX files or Infty Reader, because it strikes me that this workflow is too time-consuming. Since EquatIO’s emphasis is on reading TeX math, I would rather use Infty Reader and output to LaTex, convert the LaTeX file to DOCX, and then work on converting the LaTeX equations one by one with EquatIO for Windows. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I’d also like to see a TeX batch converter integration with EquatIO for Windows to eliminate the need to convert one equation at a time. Wouldn’t that be nice?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>On that note, what happens if you try using the the <a href="https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/auto-latex-equations/iaainhiejkciadlhlodaajgbffkebdog?hl=en-US">Auto-LaTex Equations</a> Chrome extension to convert all your LaTeX equations in a Google Doc into pictures, and then try reading the Doc with Read and Write Toolbar?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>For now, anyway, I agree with Steve that Central Access Reader + DOCX + MathType or OMML equations is the EASY button. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>HTH,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cassandra Tex<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2018 12:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Converting Math Books</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Cassandra Tex [<a href="mailto:clt3@humboldt.edu">mailto:clt3@humboldt.edu</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 23, 2018 3:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] Converting Math Books</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Has anybody used the (newish) Texthelp product, EquatIO?  I participated in a webinar last week, and it looks promising.  It’s free for educators, and works with Windows, Mac, and Google Docs and Sheets, and the resulting documents are readable by Read&Write.  As best as I can tell, when you put an equation into a document, the math goes in as an image with the alt text of the image being how one would speak the math.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>With EquatIO, you can enter the math in several different ways.  For more information:  <a href="https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/products/equatio/">https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/products/equatio/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I’m still trying to wrap my head around a workflow.  Just wondering if this will make math easier for us in the future?  </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>By the way, I’m having trouble with EquatIO for Windows…the technical support from Texthelp told me my computer didn’t meet the specs that EquatIO expects to have (which I found odd since I thought I had a pretty high-end machine), but EquatIO seems to be working well in Google Docs.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Cassandra Tex</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Assistive Technology Specialist</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Humboldt State University</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble,Stephen L.<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Converting Math Books</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes...but it isn't so easy. To get Read&Write to read math expressions in a textbook, you'll need to...</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>1) Create the book so that the end product is HTML where all the math expressions are created as MathML (e.g., use MathType's "publish mathpage" command).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>2) Load the book in IE11 on a windows PC which has MathPlayer installed</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>3) Use the "Read the web" setting in R&W, but be sure to turn off the setting to automatically read the next block of text</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>You may find it simpler to create the textbook as a Word doc (no need to export to HTLM) where the math expressions are either MathType expressions or native Word OMML expressions (either is fine for consumption), and then have the student use the free Central Access Reader to read the Word doc on their PC. While it doesn't have all the nice features of R&W, it will probably be simpler in the long run. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Hope that helps,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>--Steve Noble<br></span><a href="mailto:steve.noble@louisville.edu"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>steve.noble@louisville.edu</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br>502-969-3088<br></span><a href="https://exchange.louisville.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=CdhMttRtdkSZAY1GqZCRu5k28cp7bNAIPUU6wKc1De8y-_GlninyxASwkrwRp4PfcJ9J6C2iqrk.&URL=http%3a%2f%2flouisville.academia.edu%2fSteveNoble" target="_blank" id=LPNoLP><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> athen-list <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>> on behalf of Robert Spangler <</span><a href="mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>rspangler1@udayton.edu</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network<br><b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Converting Math Books</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Hello all:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Currently we have a textbook that we are editing and splitting into chapters.  It is an engineering book with many mathematical symbols throughout.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Our student workers use Abbyy FineReader for editing the books.  Generally, they will convert text by selecting it and choosing text, or selecting it and choosing picture.  It is easier to choose picture in a paragraph that contains a lot of symbols; otherwise, they would have to go through and convert all of the symbols as pictures.  This, however, results in the paragraph not being readable by TTS.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>What do folks do for converting math and engineering books?  Our students use Read and Write for reading their books.  I think, since most of them have reading disabilities, they primarily use TTS for reading the text but actually look at the math symbols when working out the problems.  Is what we are doing now sufficient?  Is there actually a way to make Read and Write read out the mathematical symbols?  I understand that if this book were being prepared for a blind person such as myself a lot more work would be involved.  We have not had to do this yet, but when we do I'm sure I'll be depending a lot on the expertise of people on this list.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks so much!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Robert<br><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Robert Spangler<br>Disability Services Technical Support Specialist<br></span><a href="mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>rspangler1@udayton.edu</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br>Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023<br>Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)<br>University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 <br>Phone: 937-229-2066</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Fax: 937-229-3270</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Web Site: </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.udayton.edu_learning&d=DwMFaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=umwUFIcpmU2sWnC1dtbSCm7sefPAmO290-QeRUnV3rg&s=JnF0mxIT5ZLZQlIOvEPzfSqFJs_otuF4Nu5yXgd2Dno&e=" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://go.udayton.edu/learning</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>