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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Acknowledging that sans-serif fonts are the ones promoted for accessibility, I’m one of those people with a visual disability that depend on the ligatures of a serif font to be able to read. Without the ligatures on fonts, I can’t tell if dl is a single letter or two.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I understand that some conversion tools might have problems with serif fonts. I wanted to chime in for those of us who have problems reading fonts without ligatures.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I don’t think that ligatures on fonts are the entire problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I didn’t intend this to be the start of serif versus sans-serif fonts but rather just a pointing out that for some of us ligatures do help us read at a normal pace.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>chagnon@pubcom.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 20, 2018 3:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Macmillan publisher<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>For those who use Adobe InDesign, ligatures can be a problem for some A T.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>They’re beautiful (most times) for printed documents so I advise my clients and students to build their use into their stylesheets for the printed versions of their publications, aka for the exported press-quality PDFs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>But for those InDesigners who also must also make accessible PDFs and EPUBs, adjust your stylesheets to not use ligatures before exporting your accessible PDFs and EPUB versions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>This isn’t tough to do. Hopefully you can catch one of my Sec. 508 + InDesign classes (at AHG, OK AbleTech, other conferences, and online through my company) and learn how to do this quickly and efficiently. Not rocket science, but you do need to learn the tricks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>For those in student assistance offices, when students have problems with ligatures, most can be rectified by updating their A T. Older versions can stumble on recognizing ligatures and other Unicode glyphs (such as for math, science, and foreign languages). But the latest versions of screen readers now recognize most of the commonly used glyphs, including the common Unicode ligatures.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>In time, all stakeholders will catch up and this won’t be a problem anymore. Well, hopefully!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>—Bevi Chagnon<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO <b><span style='color:#AEAAAA'>|</span></b> <a href="mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Bevi@PubCom.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>PubCom: <span style='color:#C00000'>Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing</span><o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>consulting <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> training <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> development <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> design <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> sec. 508 services<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>Upcoming classes</b> at <a href="http://www.PubCom.com/classes">www.PubCom.com/classes</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Russell Solowoniuk<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 20, 2018 3:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Macmillan publisher<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>We just ran into the same issue with Macmillan. When I explained to Christine that the student in question uses Read and Write Gold, and that RWG does not work well with ePub files in Adobe Digital Editions, Christine sent me a PDF. Unfortunately, the PDF had issues with ligatures. We often have this with PDFs, but this one was especially bad. Christine is going to see if they have a better quality PDF.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Have a great weekend everyone.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Russell<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> athen-list [<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu">mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jennifer McDowell<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 20, 2018 10:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Macmillan publisher<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I have also run into this problem with Macmillan, though I have actually had success in getting PDFs from Christine (though it took a little while and some follow up on my part). My argument/concern was that we have a Read&Write site license on our campus that a majority of students use for text-to-speech, and as of now, Read&Write does not read EPUBs. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>That worked (though I had to forward the email from TextHelp support proving what I said was true), and she sent the PDFs to me (through Dropbox I think). So it is possible, the PDFs do still exist, there are just some extra hoops to jump through. ;)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Good luck, and happy Friday all!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Jenny<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1B4770'>Jennifer McDowell </span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1B4770'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1B4770'>Alternative Text Specialist, Disability Services <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1B4770'>978.542.6217 // fax: 978.542.2064<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1B4770'>tty: 978.542.7146 // vp: 978.910.0167<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1B4770'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#EA8002'>SALEM STATE UNIVERSITY </span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#EA8002'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#EA8002'>352 Lafayette Street <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#EA8002'>Salem, MA 01970 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#EA8002'><a href="http://salemstate.edu">salemstate.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Apr 20, 2018, at 11:44 AM, Andrea L. Dietrich <<a href="mailto:adietrich@cornell.edu">adietrich@cornell.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I've encountered the same thing with some files. The lack of page numbers is the biggest problem, in my opinion. It's not too hard to convert an epub to a PDF, if that's what the student needs -- many would probably be fine using the epub directly, and there are actually some things I personally PREFER about epubs, but not having page numbers that correspond to the original text is a big deal breaker, IMO.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Does anyone know if there's a way to easily add page numbers to an epub file?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>BTW, for conversion, I use Calibre. I think I've seen others mention it on here, so you probably already know about it, but it's a great program for converting ebooks between unusual file formats.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-Andi :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Andrea Dietrich<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Accommodations Specialist<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Cornell Health, Level 5<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Cornell University<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Ithaca, NY 14853-3101<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>t. 607-254-4545<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>f. 607.255.1562<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="mailto:ald88@cornell.edu"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ald88@cornell.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>For more information about Student Disability Services,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsds.cornell.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca8009953741e44566c9308d5a6d60997%7C70d32b73b45749d1950c4f78aeffc21b%7C0%7C0%7C636598360579196799&sdata=HyGgL17PVgzxGTkuxh9Y2HngqkHYemyDK8rpgScp4LQ%3D&reserved=0"><span style='color:#0563C1'>sds.cornell.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FCornellSDS&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca8009953741e44566c9308d5a6d60997%7C70d32b73b45749d1950c4f78aeffc21b%7C0%7C0%7C636598360579196799&sdata=%2FSGJltbfTQ%2FVRYkU%2Br1rpbgC3LohMF5IB1TiwW24jyc%3D&reserved=0"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><image001.jpg></span></a> <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FCornellSDS&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca8009953741e44566c9308d5a6d60997%7C70d32b73b45749d1950c4f78aeffc21b%7C0%7C0%7C636598360579196799&sdata=%2FSGJltbfTQ%2FVRYkU%2Br1rpbgC3LohMF5IB1TiwW24jyc%3D&reserved=0"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Follow us on Facebook</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu"><span style='color:#954F72'>athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Kluesner, Bryon<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Friday, April 20, 2018 11:00 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style='color:#954F72'>athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Athen] Macmillan publisher<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Yesterday, I received EPUB3 files from Macmillan instead of PDF files. The problem with the EPUB3 files, is each individual page of a chapter is a separate xhtml file and there are no page numbers. When I sent a request through Access Text for the PDF version of the file, I received the following response:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>We are no longer producing accessible PDFs of textbooks because we have transitioned to EPUB3 format, which is more accessible by nature and also reduces the risk of piracy.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br>Best,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>Christine<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>My reply:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Hi Christine, while the EPUB3 may more accessible by nature, there are no page numbers and the individual files are more difficult to navigate for students rather than individual chapter PDF files. I think you need to reconsider not producing accessible PDF files. I expect other Disability Services providers will most likely have the same opinion as I do.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>While I understand the reasoning behind Pearson and Macmillan wanting to use EPUB files, the format they are providing is making it more work for me, and there are no page numbers!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Just my Friday rant.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Have a good weekend everyone.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Bryon<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p 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