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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Noto Sans",sans-serif">IMO, epubs would be great IF there was a good way for students using them to get the original textbook page numbers. In my experience, epubs don’t have easily found original pages, so if
a professor says “read pages 23-50,” a student using an epub will be lost. Please correct me if I’m wrong – maybe I’m missing something obvious, which would be great – but for now that’s the biggest hurdle to switching to epub for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rachel Comerford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> athen-list@u.washington.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others)
and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating
to allow for more ease of use of epub.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888;background:white">Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433 </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888"><br>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:red;background:white">Macmillan Learning</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">Message: 5</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:44:33 +0000</span><br>
<span style="background:white">From: Susan Kelmer <</span></span><a href="mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">To: Access Technology Higher Education Network</span><br>
<span style="background:white"> <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to</span><br>
<span style="background:white"> read?</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Message-ID:</span><br>
<span style="background:white"> <</span></span><a href="mailto:DM5PR03MB3321CC468FEC9FDAE6F3E22AFB440@DM5PR03MB3321.namprd03.prod.outlook.com"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">DM5PR03MB3321CC468FEC9FDAE6F3E22AFB440@DM5PR03MB3321.namprd03.prod.outlook.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
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<span style="background:white">Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed. Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">We are not "illegals!"</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Susan Kelmer</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Alternate Format Production Program Manager</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Disability Services</span><br>
<span style="background:white">University of Colorado Boulder</span><br>
<span style="background:white">303-735-4836</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">From: athen-list <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">>
On Behalf Of </span><a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">chagnon@pubcom.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 11:40 AM</span><br>
<span style="background:white">To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin></span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com<mailto:</span></span><a href="mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">Bevi@PubCom.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
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<span style="background:white">From: athen-list <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white"><mailto:</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">>>
On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 12:20 PM</span><br>
<span style="background:white">To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white"><mailto:</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">>></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Thanks, Bevi. I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">I've had success in the past doing this. This will be no different.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">-Susan</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">From: athen-list <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white"><mailto:</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">>>
On Behalf Of </span><a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">chagnon@pubcom.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white"><mailto:</span><a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">chagnon@pubcom.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:01 AM</span><br>
<span style="background:white">To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white"><mailto:</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">>></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See </span></span><a href="https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
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<span style="background:white">From: athen-list <</span></span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white"><mailto:</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155CC;background:white">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white">>>
On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>
<span style="background:white">Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">A colleague brought this to my attention. My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws
to read.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Is this new, or have I missed something? Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems. "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other
thing too..."</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our
students need and want.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Susan Kelmer</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Alternate Format Production Program Manager</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Disability Services</span><br>
<span style="background:white">University of Colorado Boulder</span><br>
<span style="background:white">303-735-4836</span><br>
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