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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ve also noticed that amateur testers often want to test with a screen reader before trying basic things like whether they can navigate to an element with the
keyboard, whether they can interact with an element with the keyboard – like a list box – and whether the graphics are labeled. I think a great deal of first tests can be performed without a user needing to know anything about a screen reader.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sometimes I’ll get an email from someone who says they are having difficulty using a screen reader testing a site, but they haven’t even tried yet to see if other
aspects are accessible, like graphics having alt tags first. Abnd if it fails a few automated accessibility checkers spectacularly, there would be no need to try the screen reader, anyway it seems to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--Debee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brandon Orwig-Price<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My experience has generally been the same as mentioned here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Firefox-NVDA (also works for math content)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Chrome-JAWS/ChromeVox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Safari-Voiceover<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Internet Explorer (not recommended except in extremely special cases) –JAWS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Edge-Narrator by far (it has especially came further in the last year of updates for windows, and continues to improve. Major changes coming in Redstone 5 [Oct/Nov 2018 windows
10 update.])<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I generally try and mix them up as well, just as a double or triple checking mechanism, it can frequently lead to finding things that were not properly done. If there is one thing
I wish JAWS/ChromeVox had it would be Speech Viewer which NVDA has. I do not rely on the speech from ZoomText (which I use due to low vision), but in Fusion it is not bad since it is JAWS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Just my opinion and experiences,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959">~Brandon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah Armstrong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2018 1:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">One thing I keep worrying about is the experience of low-vision folks who read a web page visually with magnification, not with speech.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have enough vision I can see the colors on a page and not the words; I am a speech user.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And I’ve noticed that sighted folks expect the low-vision user to experience the web page the same way they do. But for just one example, take a page with information
in two columns. The user might focus on one colunn with the magnification window and miss the second column altogether. I was helping my Mom with minimal macular degeneration and she was having this problem with a senior-oriented site.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And what about alerts that pop up? The low-vision user might not notice them. Again my Mom showed me how easily this happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">OK, Mom isn’t a college student but neither is she a dummy. My concern is that when testing is so heavily focused on screen readers, sighted people forget this
other population who actually might need more help than a typical screen reader user does, since the screen reader user often gets extensive training in how to use this complex AT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And for every blind student I have, there are ten with partial sight. I am not a testing expert, but I do know we should be testing for this user base as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--Debee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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