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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro Cond SemiBold",sans-serif;color:#993366">One of the easiest ways that I have found is via “Document Accessibility Toolbar”
<a href="https://www.visionaustralia.org/dat">https://www.visionaustralia.org/dat</a> it as an add-on for Word (not sure if it works on mac.) It has many useful features for testing, but my favorite is its ability to edit the underlying XML to properly set
the scope for tables. Their site explains it and its various features, it is something I would definitely recommend keeping in your arsenal.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro Cond SemiBold",sans-serif;color:#993366">As to the other question, yes screen readers will read the alt text even for tables. Using bookmarks is not something I have ever heard of using,
but I found DAT and once the scope is set, any screen reader I have used will read it correctly. Provided it is not an extremely complex table anyways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro Cond SemiBold",sans-serif;color:#993366">In regards to subject vs description on alt text, it depends on how you have the screen reader setup in relation to images. I have it setup
on my system to read both.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jess Thompson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Accessible tables in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’m so appreciative of this thread as I get questions about alt text for tables quite often!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My thinking has always been that it depends on the context. Christine’s comment about noting extreme values, or those that may be called out as statistically
significant (these items usually are marked up with bold or italicized text), is the only occasion for which I understand the value of including alt text. Otherwise it seems the context could be captured with the table caption.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ve never heard of adding bookmarks to define scope. The website with instructions Stephen provided didn’t make clear how doing this defines scope. Can
someone provide more clarification? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jess<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Accessible tables in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">JAWS and NVDA both read the alt text on tables. At least they do on my systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Robert Lee Beach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kansas City Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">7250 State Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Phone: 913-288-7671<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Email: <a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christine Robinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Accessible tables in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">I have read that screen readers read the content of the alt text
<i>description box</i> in Word, but (like with alt text for images) they do not read the
<i>subject line</i>. But what I read, may not be true.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Is there a screen reader expert out there, reading these, who can clarify?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#007048">Christine Robinson</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#007048">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">| Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#007048">Georgia Gwinnett College</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"> | 1000 University Center Lane | Lawrenceville, GA 30043<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>S A. Marositz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2018 3:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Accessible tables in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi All <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There is no reason to include alt-text for tables in your workflow. As far as I know, screen readers do not read the alt-text for tables in word. What is important is to include a bookmark indicating the scope
of your column and row headers. Both Jaws and NVD respect this convention. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.perkinselearning.org%2Ftechnology%2Fdigital-transitions%2Fcreating-accessible-table-word&data=02%7C01%7Cborwigprice%40cscc.edu%7C73b3edebf9b14a4b135008d6022337bb%7C60a9d377c82741a1bbf01aad34db4c89%7C1%7C0%7C636698747625173534&sdata=bVsh8u2g%2BCLiPE48wM6np0s4vP1D0CywLPn%2BoDc34ao%3D&reserved=0">http://www.perkinselearning.org/technology/digital-transitions/creating-accessible-table-word</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I hope this helps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="color:#1F497D">Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC<br>
Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College<br>
Phone: (626) 585-7242<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christine Robinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Accessible tables in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Keep in mind that a screen reader will read the content of the table, right to left, top to bottom – and it’ll identify the column headings – so you don’t need to repeat what
the screen reader is already going to communicate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Think about how, when you see a table, the first thing you do is scan for an overall idea of what it’s about and why it’s there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">Also think about what you would say if you were reading the document aloud to someone. Before you read the table contents, you’d probably say a sentence or two about the general
content & purpose. Depending on the table, you <u>might</u> also note any extreme values. For example, in a table listing populations of various areas and rates of population growth, you might initially state which had the highest or lowest populations, or
the highest or lowest rates of growth. But keep it brief.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">That’s how I do it at this point, at least, but I’m always happy to learn better ways!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#007048">Christine Robinson</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#007048">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">| Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence | Georgia Gwinnett College | Lawrenceville, GA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Accessible tables in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Just F.Y.I., my understanding is the alt text for tables is going away. But, if you want to use it, I would not include that much detail. I would simply say how many rows and columns are in the table and what
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kluesner, Bryon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Accessible tables in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am familiar with adding alt text to a table in Word to make it accessible for a screen reader. If the table is a 3 column, 3 row table, for example, do I need an alt text to describe the content in row 1, column 1, row 1 column 2, etc?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">bryon<o:p></o:p></p>
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