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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The thing is, we are giving our students a way to access their materials using ONE portal, ONE software – Kurzweil. But no, publishers insist we need VitalSource for this one thing, and RedShelf for another
thing, and oh, here’s an ePub but the student needs Adobe Digital Editions to access that one!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We don’t tag PDFs. We turn PDFs into well-formatted Word files – just about the ultimate in accessibility. I do not remediate PDFs from publishers, other than to crop or rename or to break into chapters. If
it needs more than that, I am not wasting weeks on remediation; I’m spend 2-4 hours turning it into Word. Easy-peasy, guaranteed accessible content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Just because a publisher makes something “accessible” on their platform or portal does not mean this works for our students, or any students. I am going to resist at all points any publisher’s assumption or
decision that they know what our students need and that accessing YET ANOTHER PORTAL is okay. It is not okay. Period. I have students who need to read 800 pages a week. We don’t need to make it more complicated. We need to make it simpler.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Publishers are going to have to prove to me that their new methods are “better,” “less time consuming,” and “fully accessible” – because what I’ve seen so far doesn’t even come close.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Susan Kelmer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Alternate Format Production Program Manager<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Disability Services<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">University of Colorado Boulder<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">303-735-4836<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>George Kerscher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Converting EPUB to PDF<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Susan,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Glad to see that you are open minded, and I hope we can find some time at AHG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is true that students will need to learn how to use an EPUB reader of some kind, and it is not as simple as we would like. The choice depends on if the school has agreements with venders like VitalSource, RedShelf or others for the supply
of materials. Fortunately these organizations are committed to accessibility. VitalSource can import unprotected EPUB, which is good news.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do believe that the digital publishing standards will continue to evolve, and we want them to be accessible out of the box. This is the way to get us out of this nightmare of modifying materials, tagging PDF, which you know all too well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now, how do we get the professors to produce EPUB instead of PDF? Just imagine not having to tag all those PDF, grin!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">George<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Converting EPUB to PDF<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I appreciate your perspective, George. I am resistant to ePubs as part of classroom curriculum at the college level because I still see issues with the navigation of ePubs (aka, lack of page numbering!). My
students are completely full of “nope” about it, as it means they need to use something other than they are already using to read their files. I get that – they are busy and have enough of a struggle just getting through their coursework without having to
learn Yet Another Way of accessing materials that they’ve accessed successfully before using a single method.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I will say that Macmillan includes page numbering in their ePubs. This is a HUGE plus for them, and a huge shift for me. But I’m not giving out ePubs from anyone else at this point. They are not up to par with
what the student is expecting, nor what they need.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m interested to see how this plays out at AHG this year. I WILL be paying attention. I was paying attention last year (I’m looking at YOU, Pearson!) and was wholly unimpressed and not willing to make that
shift yet for my students.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Also, I’m remembering how we were all told “DAISY will be the new standard” and in the end, it wasn’t. Will ePub be the “new standard?” That remains to be seen…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Susan Kelmer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Alternate Format Production Program Manager<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Disability Services<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">University of Colorado Boulder<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D">303-735-4836<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>George Kerscher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2018 8:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Converting EPUB to PDF<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At the recent AHEAD conference, there was a booth comparing the reading experience between PDF and EPUB. By far, the people saw the advantages of the modern EPUB format.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the W3C, the standards setting body, EPUB is being developed as the best mechanism for digital publishing. There is also the EPUB Accessibility Conformance and Discovery specification, which is being widely adopted. There is also the
Accessibility Checker for EPUB (Ace by DAISY), which helps the publishers ensure their publications are fully accessible. The current recommendation is WCAG AA for materials in education. We also recommend that the publishers provide detailed descriptions
of graphical content that conveys meaningful information to students.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There will be a track on digital publishing at the upcoming AHG conference. Plus I will encourage the ATN and others to post short educational articles to help folks here and elsewhere learn about the many advantages of EPUB.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For now, Here are two links to information about Reading Apps used for reading EPUB, because of course, not only must the content be accessible, but the Reading App used to read it must be accessible. We have been testing with a wide range
of Assistive Technology.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is the list of reading Apps at a high level:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/1j3LGgWhoEEtNYdkNyTYmXZ0otnrKRWRl_S0ATR6xTNKWKIUGvSyJW8b0IwoWDhjWyQLMmNeeRC9sr3n59T3xP7I0eyd_QWGFXnoQkE0RtU_Itmt-sp_5I0dC_bJRCEe0Z_wu4_Bf_t-ZDrkU5qyuxNlSdAscN7p1yZYJKv1e2lXeqGqO824z5hmOQYOO-UZ7SIcoTixtlZgc9kAozhyLUV0QKcwrhMlZ_23LI2fb40ag42JqVVDF0xdfsc_2QfC6puoI1x9A93mkO3EK_J6h6KAQAFchgYQx3gWpdCxwVZ1E1JF_t2alrh5Fy8J4gDiuRhHHYm9BDyCxY9Vh39PdNYIM2HrgkcBUwezsISDQP-X4tUiT9wjoniKADSXuDwZDu6A0HodSPYpSCHv2y9HTff1hGhuhairEjZiIYs4WW13yaiLn2y5bqSE0XAqnyd4Z56Zr08NF6JifkDwsF7k54A/https%3A%2F%2Finclusivepublishing.org%2Fblog%2Fjune-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibility-support%2F">https://inclusivepublishing.org/blog/june-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibility-support/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">and here is the formal testing results of many, many apps.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://secure-web.cisco.com/1TKXoV50RgtQvz7p7lbT_3Y6II7ATbZRUTwbHdRPZ6hLH6IsHU_QmlyUMjfS63hRi6tPEHa3sqYcfmegclcPUEBmYCfFkre6LnLmejin4GxGzsCya7-WZ8j-NTLImGu93lGoUMZXe6Qd3ZI-mP5B3YBoMMuGxFooVLEn96VQvw_k0f-HK3vpGXeKWX0hAHZas_CDJ3-9aoMXEGsjGSvmQBzIli9aehJSgXmO0mBrYkkq-ClVc8rh2uo1gOg58NIpknavlpMe3hQG5Fg4ZXj5xQ-m7ZqBKhzebYiUVi3aFAIRUat22N0s-CmHIqlh6hwTJs8oU2Scw01wBWvs_oEeUDQjeunUT-G5xOgITNsYPoOV0VMQpd3yBREaqPpxCgzBLxTas2RRcw2OigC2EZwD4z01hecqcFK4uc_q0Bs8abQFUcyQ8QA41H0EoTb5i9AHpMQp4ipArtEwWy7x6zhPAgw/http%3A%2F%2Fepubtest.org%2Ftestsuite%2Faccessibility%2F">http://epubtest.org/testsuite/accessibility/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I can be of any help, even helping a student identify a Reading App and AT combination, I would be happy to help.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">George<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">George Kerscher Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070C0"><a href="http://www.daisy.org">http://www.daisy.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://secure-web.cisco.com/16X4ItYJJSEAWi3gSzQ3f9RF4R_UZOWeaw08Gp7_w0yLz6DQnwHcAz1tUcuBzQvVv6SnNiDDuz3eVL_XhcJB7c_5OXUu8jc9ns9TnXKvgMejK6RmF4IKXB2F2zti6Zxxu9wLKIUk8Kx09OHCDiSd6EFlbDlxR2XVAMjyf42uWvIpBpNc0LCsQxWqYtHhWFUMKINXZlvsGC0AUT6dTOdhzJrXC762YYUiDUeAFRLDDDjitbISXeEFfaxcLd8dztY0hraxQGaotV3R4nPbOb40KrONowZTOqcsHgAPxCzNyMqZbmaO7lLhijWEfWSg3Rdkm3tvbGpK_GBYVcxF9nCUfwWfo3tMiLUMiGznld8ICC4CxQsKSl3TY7899ZzcYnyrdEPmRReBJ5sZ-oSPJ34rCuZkvgO1VxjB-YqL8Vl5CA5CLejq4q8HMyVPP093IemQ9ReuHUdeMtdbker2kizPz7w/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.benetech.org">http://www.benetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.idpf.org">http://www.idpf.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Member of the National Museum and Library Services Board (IMLS)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.imls.gov">http://www.imls.gov</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division of the W3C
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.w3c.org/wai">http://www.w3c.org/wai</a> <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Phone: +1 406/549-4687<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cell:+1 406/544-2466 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Email: <a href="mailto:kerscher@montana.com">kerscher@montana.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Converting EPUB to PDF<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello, is it possible to convert from EPUB to PDF and, if so, how would I go about doing it? We distribute PDFs only to our students unless otherwise requested, but a publisher on AccessText is stating that Epub is the only option available
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<p class="MsoNormal">Robert Spangler<br>
Disability Services Technical Support Specialist<br>
<a href="mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu" target="_blank">rspangler1@udayton.edu</a><br>
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023<br>
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)<br>
University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 <br>
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