<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">ATHEN-ites,<br><br>I'll throw my two cents into the ring on this discussion of extolling the virtues of EPUB versus other types of publisher files. I'm with Susan Kelmer one hundred percent on this. Because it is easier for the publishers to produce EPUB files does not mean that they are acceptable as source files, and it doesn't mean we should go down with a whimper accepting what is offered to us instead of expecting --and getting-- what we need. Our role in higher education, whether we work in the disability resources office providing accommodations, or we work in the alternative text production or in the assistive technology branch providing services and/or accessible text files, our responsibility is to provide access for the students with disabilities on our campuses. While all of us will acknowledge that things are different when we reach "the real world," it is not our responsibility to push students into fending for themselves while they are under our purview, or training them to accept a text format which is not specifically designed for the specific functional limitations of their disabilities. Would it be a good idea for us in disability services to provide some kind of transition to "real life" accommodations? Certainly, but not at the cost of providing them with accessible text in the present tense. The publishers seem to have decided that they know what we want (or what the students want and/or need) is another example of ableism – that they know more than we do about what we need and what the students need. Is not a matter of sitting on the curb with a cup out and being grateful for any handout that comes by. We are all professionals, and we should not be grateful for or satisfied with handouts from the publishers. Publishers are not experts in accommodations, they are not experts in assistive technology, they are not experts in alternative text production, learning disabilities, reading impairments, or anything else related to disabilities. They are publishers. Period. They have designed a process which is easier for them, and not necessarily what we or our students need. The remediation necessary for EPUB files borders on onerous.<br><br>My two cents – and it's not even Friday! [stepping down from my soapbox now].<br><br>Wink<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Wink Harner<br></div>Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production<br></div>The Foreign Type<br><br></div></div>Portland OR<br><a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com" target="_blank">foreigntype@gmail.com</a><br>480-984-0034<br><br></div><div>This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata .<br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 11:07 AM Schwarte, David M. <<a href="mailto:schwarte@purdue.edu">schwarte@purdue.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks for stating what I was thinking so well. In the “wild” a PDF that has text, a set reading order, and tags is extremely rare. So rare that I assume none
of these features are there and proceed with opening the PDF as if it were image-only. Long-term this is faster and less labor intensive. Remediating documents is not in my job description, so spending time in testing accessibility and fixing issues is essentially
a hobby. In comparison, an imperfect ePub is a vast improvement. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Andrews<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2018 10:55 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No one is going to do all this conversion and hand-holding for them when they get out of academia. It would seem prudent to me to teach them how to deal with the materials that are available.<br>
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I know ePub is a change for people, but 15 or 20 years ago, so were PDF's and people kicked and screamed. ePub's offer a richer, and inherently more accessible experience over PDF's. There is still some growing that needs to be done by tools, but they have
the potential to be substantially better!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Same here. For most of them, navigating a PDF is new to them, as surprising as that might be. Not all young people are tech enthusiasts, as is commonly believed, so I am trying to put the least amount of
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:44 AM Susan Kelmer <<a href="mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu" target="_blank"> Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Andrea, this is basically what we do with Bookshare files. Most of my sighted students have no interest in learning to navigate a bookshare file, so we convert to word, add in page numbers and heading levels (because those do not exist or are poorly done
in most bookshare files) and then convert word to PDF, or just give the student the word files.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Isn’t it amazing the hoops we jump through for your students? This is also why I am so angry about publishers finding yet another few hoops we have to jump through to get what our students need. Why are they making things more difficult?<u></u><u></u></p>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUB to PDF<u></u><u></u></p>
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I use a free program called Calibre (also available in a “portable†version in case you don’t have the ability to install software on your computers yourself). It’s designed as a general ebook management program, but it has really good conversion capabilities.
The only issues I’ve had with epub to PDF are that sometimes the conversion will divide pages in odd places, and that there are usually no original page numbers to correspond to the hard copy of the book.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Depending on your time constraints, you might want to convert the epub to .docx, add page breaks manually in Word, and then convert that file to PDF so that you can “recreate†the original publisher layout for the book, but obviously that’s more time-consuming.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Hello, is it possible to convert from EPUB to PDF and, if so, how would I go about doing it? We distribute PDFs only to our students unless otherwise requested, but a publisher on AccessText is stating that Epub is the only option available from them.<br>
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