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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ”virtual view” of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can’t add notes or other comments to PDF documents – where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can’t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the “text on the page.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can’t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Hello:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Looking forward to responses.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Robert<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Robert Spangler<br>Disability Services Technical Support Specialist<br><a href="mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu" target="_blank">rspangler1@udayton.edu</a><br>Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023<br>Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)<br>University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 <br>Phone: 937-229-2066<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Fax: 937-229-3270<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Web Site: <a href="http://go.udayton.edu/learning" target="_blank">http://go.udayton.edu/learning</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>