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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I would suggest considering HTML forms. They are more accessible and easier to deal with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would the best idea for us
is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I think there are good reasons to justify this now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM <<a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com">chagnon@pubcom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">—OCR of scanned images and text.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">—Edit PDFs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">—Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">—Commenting and review tasks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents such as books, newspapers, magazines,
brochures, catalogs, billboards, business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or modify PDFs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting
technical requirements of the printing industry and have no accessibility.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible application itself.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">—Bevi Chagnon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO
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<span style="color:#0563C1">Bevi@PubCom.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>PubCom:
<span style="color:#C00000">Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">consulting
<span style="color:#D0CECE">•</span> training <span style="color:#D0CECE">•</span> development
<span style="color:#D0CECE">•</span> design <span style="color:#D0CECE">•</span> sec. 508 services<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://mailchi.mp/ff5bd323ea45/newsletter-accessibility-fonts-design-upcoming-classes-2901237" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:#0563C1">Latest</span></b><span style="color:#0563C1">
blog-newsletter</span></a> – Accessibility Tips at <a href="http://www.PubCom.com/blog" target="_blank">
<span style="color:#0563C1">www.PubCom.com/blog</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications <<a href="mailto:info@karlencommunications.com" target="_blank">info@karlencommunications.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames,
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On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler <<a href="mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu" target="_blank">rspangler1@udayton.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications <<a href="mailto:info@karlencommunications.com" target="_blank">info@karlencommunications.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict
editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do
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<a href="mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu" target="_blank">rspangler1@udayton.edu</a><br>
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023<br>
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)<br>
University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 <br>
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<a href="mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu" target="_blank">rspangler1@udayton.edu</a><br>
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023<br>
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)<br>
University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 <br>
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