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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Will be submitting something later today or first thing in the morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leyna Bencomo<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] PDF Forms - Can't get the Comb setting to work<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I would attend that as well.  Please consider it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Leyna Bencomo </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Office of Information Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>University of Colorado Colorado Springs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Colorado Springs, CO 80918<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(719) 255-4202 / <a href="mailto:lbencomo@uccs.edu"><span style='color:#0563C1'>lbencomo@uccs.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.uccs.edu/~it/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://www.uccs.edu/~it/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=458 height=54 style='width:4.7708in;height:.5625in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D4F52B.24BDBBC0" alt="sig logo small"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] PDF Forms - Can't get the Comb setting to work<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I second what Dan said.  Karen, you should submit a proposal for Accessing Higher Ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Susan Kelmer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Alternate Format Production Program Manager<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Disability Services<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>University of Colorado Boulder<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>303-735-4836<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Comden<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] PDF Forms - Can't get the Comb setting to work<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I think the answer to all the drama is...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>(wait for it)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>PDFs still suck.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Karen, I hope you will consider submitting a session for Accessing Higher Ground where you can detail some of the alternatives to Adobe for PDF remediation. Even if the report is something like "wait a bit and it might get better" would be well received.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>And whatever anyone else can do to encourage HTML as an alternative to the hated PDF format, please keep at it!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-*- Dan<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:23 AM Karlen Communications <<a href="mailto:info@karlencommunications.com">info@karlencommunications.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Yes, I found obscure references to using the Appearance tab and selecting a<br>border colour, but trial and error in unchecking everything...and 3 hours of<br>online searching and troubleshooting!<br><br>While I'm talking PDF, I got an e-mail from Foxit today and they want to<br>talk to me about how they can improve their product! Am going to set up a<br>time. I did get my money back and will try the software next year to give<br>them time to work out the control issues.<br><br>Cheers, Karen<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> On Behalf<br>Of <a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com" target="_blank">chagnon@pubcom.com</a><br>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:50 PM<br>To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'<br><<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] PDF Forms - Can't get the Comb setting to work<br><br>Wow.<br>That's so obscure and unintuitive.<br>Better user interface is needed in our Acrobat programs.<br>Thanks Karen!<br>- - -<br>Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |  <a href="mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com">Bevi@PubCom.com</a><br>- - -<br>PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting .<br>training . development . design . sec. 508 services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<br><br><br>Cheers, Karen<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>To manage your subscription, visit <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.webaim.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224859497&sdata=%2FB7PnMsLTQ3SrPRAaAxVl0a6KcuvN97RGMrX53VvIQU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://list.webaim.org/</a> List archives at<br><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebaim.org%2Fdiscussion%2Farchives&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224859497&sdata=lGx2GPaTIZuCgEcAa9mk9SvkJCRpHcpQV0DXHufm1s4%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://webaim.org/discussion/archives</a><br>Address list messages to <a href="mailto:webaim-forum@list.webaim.org" target="_blank">webaim-forum@list.webaim.org</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>To manage your subscription, visit <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.webaim.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224869491&sdata=T16x%2F775%2FJed5gFgm5obx6MFh0g8f6FiSWN0WDShdTE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://list.webaim.org/</a> List archives at<br><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebaim.org%2Fdiscussion%2Farchives&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224869491&sdata=QRBpNYlI2TT3UOiYA0xoj%2FQ0KiWx2mBxzIL%2F5KTfU9M%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://webaim.org/discussion/archives</a><br>Address list messages to <a href="mailto:webaim-forum@list.webaim.org" target="_blank">webaim-forum@list.webaim.org</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>athen-list mailing list<br><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a><br><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fathen-list&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224879482&sdata=FkB2knfHaSorXfMrD7WQTaK0UxjUOzsrNDGEkV2q%2FYU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>athen-list mailing list<br><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a><br><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fathen-list&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224879482&sdata=FkB2knfHaSorXfMrD7WQTaK0UxjUOzsrNDGEkV2q%2FYU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>athen-list mailing list<br><a href="mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a><br><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fathen-list&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224879482&sdata=FkB2knfHaSorXfMrD7WQTaK0UxjUOzsrNDGEkV2q%2FYU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>-*- Dan Comden                       <a href="mailto:danc@washington.edu" target="_blank">danc@uw.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>    Access Technology Center   <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uw.edu%2Fitconnect%2Faccessibility%2Fatl%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C739305be00454d0469c008d6c340c153%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636911080224889478&sdata=BsuHdEHz9P6f1yO8wTSPU6rhjwFRoV7vPkYWjlxkWQ8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>    University of Washington      UW Information Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5i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